Catalonia Votes to Secede from Spain…Sort Of
The vote was overwhelming but unofficial.
Unbowed by the Scottish secessionists' failure in September, residents of Catalonia voted yesterday to separate from Spain. Sort of.
This was not a legally binding referendum—that had been the original plan, but the authorities in Madrid made it clear that they considered such a vote illegal. So the locals organized a symbolic poll instead. As The Guardian explained last week,

Spain's justice minister, Rafael Catalá, said the regional government "cannot promote a consultation that goes against the constitution. But nobody is going to stop citizens from exercising their freedom of expression."
Thousands of volunteers across Catalonia have seized on his words as an invitation to push forward. In Girona, some 600 of them have been working day and night to ensure the city's residents can vote. The legal suspension of the referendum means that not one of the 21 polling stations normally used during elections can be used. Instead volunteers, such as Carme Renedo, have created seven ad-hoc voting stations. "It's very complicated," she sighed.
The referendum's final results are not in, but today's Guardian reports that about 80.7 percent of the participants agreed that Catalonia should be an independent state. Under the circumstances, of course, you would expect the secessionists to be more motivated to get to the polls. Indeed, the anti-independence parties asked their supporters to boycott the process. So the more important question is how many people turned out.
According to this morning's press reports, out of 5.4 million eligible voters, 2.2 million showed up. That's not exactly as overwhelming as 80.7 percent. But it may be a number large enough to power a push for a legally binding ballot measure, or for a form of devolution that stops short of independence.
Bonus link: I can't recall Reason running anything about Catalan separatism in the past, but Cato's old Inquiry magazine published this back in 1978.
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You know who else opposed an independent Catalonia?
Hitler?
/I don't understand the game
You are the WORST at this!
*walks off in a huff*
You know who else was the worst?
Hitler?
Franco. All the other Spanish monarchs who controlled the area.
Napoleon
Karpov was said to do well against the Catalan.
If this count is accurate, it's a higher percentage of the voting-age population than voted in the midterms just last week.
I see no reason why Catalonia should not be its own nation, especially given its history with the rest of Spain.
Well I never been to Spain
But I kinda like the music...
/Los Tres Perros
the ladies are insane there
And they sure know how to use it......wait, now why is that familiar.
"80.7%"
Yeah but,
if you hold the vote to be illegitimate you might not vote.
As in Crimea (not that by any stretch there is any other comparison between the catalan independence movement and the crimean separatists)
Self government is a basic human right. If Catalonia wants to be independent, and the vote proves it overwhelmingly so, then Spain should let them be on their way. Anything less is just slavery.
Will an independent Catalonia be able to provide the same child support payments as a united Spain ?
Probably. They are the most economically productive region of Spain. And I don't think they are particularly less socialist than the rest of Spain.
The Catalan movement is different from Quebec and Scotland in the latter two are more relatively poorer subnational states that receive net funding from the nation state.
Catatonian taxes pay for the poorer regions of Spain.
How does the Catalan left square that with their desire for independence?
How does the Catalan left square that with their desire for independence?
They don't consider themselves Spanish. Spaniards should pay to support poor Spaniards.
Anyone else confuse themselves by misreading Catalonia as California?
(Raises hand.)
I remember taking a boat from Newport Beach to get to Catalonia Island. They even have buffalo there.
" I can't recall Reason running anything about Catalan separatism in the past"
Its one of the sub-themes of the Aubrey-Maturin Novels by Patrick O'Brian.
I mean, neither here nor there, just saying.
I like the east coast of Spain called Costa Blanca and especially a popular town of Torrevieja http://torreviejaspain.livejournal.com/1505.html for its salt lakes and great climate