Ebola

Second Nurse With Ebola Called CDC Before Flight And Reported She Had a Fever. She Wasn't Told Not to Fly.

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On Monday, the day before she contacted a hospital about her symptoms, Texas nurse Amber Vinson, the second nurse to eventually be infected with Ebola after treating the first patient with the virus, took a commercial flight from Cleveland to Dallas. 

Before she boarded the plane, she called the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and reported that she had a fever of 99.5 Fahrenheit.

Here's what happened next, according to NBC News:

According to the government spokesperson, when Vinson called in, the staff she talked with looked on the CDC website for guidance. At the time, the category for "uncertain risk" had guidance saying that a person could fly commercially if they did not meet the threshold of a temperature of 100.4.

The final guidance? Vinson "was not told that she could not fly," the unnamed government spokesperson told NBC News and other news outlets Wednesday evening. 

CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden said the nurse "should not have traveled on a commercial aircraft."

But she did. And she apparently wasn't told by the CDC that she shouldn't or couldn't. 

Now, it's not likely that anyone else on her flight contracted Ebola. "Chances that other passengers were infected were very low because Vinson did not vomit on the flight and was not bleeding," according to Reuters. Even still, it should not have happened. It was a preventable error. 

This is the latest in a string of worrisome incidents involving the CDC going back through the summer. 

In June, the CDC announced that dozens of workers in its Atlanta facility had been inadvertently exposed to anthrax. The samples had not been properly "inactivated" before being moved. As a result, they were handled without necessary protection.

An internal review of the incident later found that "use of unapproved sterilization technicques," "transfer of material not confirmed to be inactive," and "lack of a standard operating procedure or process on inactivation and transfer" played a role. 

In July, the CDC admitted that it had unexpectedly found six long-lost vials in a storage room at the National Institutes of Health in Maryland. Several of those vials contained still-active samples of smallpox, which is deadly. 

In the aftermath of those incidents, the CDC temporarily closed two of its labs and stopped many sample transfers. The head of the lab where the anthrax exposure ocurred resigned. 

In that incident, "the scientists failed to follow a scientifically derived and reviewed protocol that would have assured the anthrax was deactivated," CDC Director Frieden said, according to CNN at the time. The short version: It "should have happened, and it didn't."

Months later, with the pressure on the agency as the first Ebola cases hit the United States, the CDC does not seem to have improved all of its processes. Things that should be happening clearly aren't happening, and things that should not be happening are. 

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    1. The question remains as to how they would handle a truly contagious disease like the Spanish Flu. I’m not reassured.

      1. shoot all the dogs

      2. Enterovirus 68 doesn’t give me the warm fuzzies, either.

      3. They won’t handle it. They will curl up in a ball and surround themselves with procedures, protocols and politics, claim they did everything they could, and let people die.

        1. And blame the fiasco on the budget-cutting Rethuglican teabaggerz.

          1. This to the nth degree.

      4. “The question remains as to how they would handle a truly contagious disease like the Spanish Flu. I’m not reassured.”

        Well, I think the precedent is:

        1) Deny there’s any chance it will make it here.
        2) Claim that the CDC is on top of the situation.
        3) The President then goes golfing or to a campaign fund raising event.

      5. Do you have to ask? They would handle it by (1) blaming Bush, (2) creating more positions for political czars, staffed by their biggest campaign contributors, (3) creating safe and comfortable retreats for top government officials where they can be safe.

    2. What with even highly trained nurses not knowing how to properly use their hand soap, latex gloves, and hazmat suits, I am quite sure that very-very soon, all 3 of these items will soon be “prescription required”, so that the Doctors of Doctorology can make SURE that we have been properly trained! Better stock up on hand soap etc., while it is still easy to get!

      1. Something like 70% of the millions of hospital acquired infections are caused by nurses not washing their hands.

        1. I’m an RN on an ICU in a large teaching hospital. Trust me when I tell you it’s not the nurses who aren’t washing their hands. It’s the doctors, residents, med students, physical and occupational therapists, housekeepers, phlebotomists, social workers, and, worst of all, the patient’s own family members who aren’t washing their hands. For the last 20 years I’ve been saying to these people “you need to wash your hands” I sound like a broken record and I’m sick of having to say it. I would love to see the day when nurses aren’t automatically blamed for everything. I’m not holding my breath.

          1. I have a friend who is an RN and she told me that, when they have 5 or more patients that they have to care for, it’s easy to get in a hurry and nurses often forget to wash their hands. She said lots of hospitals get dinged for failure to follow sanitation protocols for that reason among others. My opinion. Too many bean counters, not enough nurses. I blame Medicare/Medicaid as well as govt subsidization of private health insurance.

      2. But we’re not talking about people with common sense; we’re talking about nurses, a bunch of stupid, whiny, entitlement-slathered, clock-punching union twats who can be relied upon for only one thing: to be on time (nay, AHEAD OF SCHEDULE) for every smoke and coffee break.

        If you’re a nurse–or even a student nurse with more than a few weeks of training–and you do not have the fucking minimal IQ it takes to understand that you need to completely cover up before touching or treating an Ebola patient, and you also lack the basic, Down’s-Syndrome-level sense it takes to know that your ass does not belong on a plane when you’re running a fever after treating an Ebola patient, then you have no business in healthcare. At all.

        The “nurses are such big-ass heroes” and “we were never told or taught anything!” stench of the prevailing winds from the media these days is enough to make me punch my TV. Nobody over age 10 should have to be told or taught to take precautions with Ebola, FFS.

        1. Wow. Such hate. What do you do for a living?

  1. The CDC has been taken over by the political appointees with axes to grind other than infectious disease. While any organization can suffer bad management for a while, they all eventually succumb to the influences of their masters.

    1. While any organization can suffer bad management for a while, they all eventually succumb to the influences of their masters

      When promotional, hiring and budgetary approval is controlled by someone with an agenda, it’s relatively easy to remake an agency given enough time to overcome bureaucratic inertia.

      1. Here’s the perfect example of mission creep.

        http://www.cdc.gov/HealthyLiving/

        1. Combined with a politics.

          http://www.cdc.gov/wisewoman/

          1. Politics indeed, not only is not an infectious disease issue, but it ignores that fact that heart disease affects more men than it does women. Because, war on women, I guess.

            1. Holy shit, my grammar is usually much better. Need moar coffee.

              1. I’m still trying to figure out what a politics is. I’m sure I meant something remotely intelligent.

                1. You can have multiple politics. You’ve been talking about the politics of health; there’s also the politics of dancing.

            2. Infectious disease issue aside, I think the point is that everyone tends to ignore heart disease in women because they assume it’s a guy thing.

              For instance, for some reason the standard annual physical for a woman is typically limited to her reproductive organs. Plus maybe a mammogram. I’m not sure what guys get , but I presume it includes a cardiogram and some blood tests to look for cholesterol and so forth.
              It’s as if, if your female, the docs think that only your cooch matters.

              1. Men get annual physicals?

            3. *it ignores that fact that heart disease affects more men than it does women*

              It also kills more men than women. And kills them sooner than it kills women.

              But hey, who cares, make sure to get your red shirt for WOMEN’S heart disease and your PINK crap for WOMEN’S cancer, because men are just worthless drones to be discarded as soon as their parts fail.

          2. BUT… The Patriarchy!

  2. I’m sorry,if you are a nurse or doctor you should know enough to take the proper steps to protect yourself and others.A government agency screwing up is par for the course.Hell,it’s expected.

    1. Not if you’ve been trained/indoctrinated to believe that Top. Men. from the government know and care about what they are doing.

      1. Or if you’re a lazy, overentitled union loudmouth, like most nurses. What we’re hearing from the nurses out of Dallas these days is basically, “it’s not my job to educate myself about how to do my job, or to use basic common sense; it’s somebody else’s responsibility to spoon-feed information to me. I should not have to learn anything about treating infectious disease myself. I need to be infantilized, and sat down in a chair like a toddler, and forced to watch movies about how to put on a plastic suit.”

    2. Yeah, the CDC isn’t exactly basking in glory but Jesus H. Christ how the hell does a medical professional – particularly one who has just been treating someone with one of the deadliest diseases on the planet – think it’s okay to do anything but go to the hospital when they have any kind of fever? I guess planning for her wedding was just that important.

      1. The same reason that you see overweight doctors and nurses, or smoking doctors and nurses, or doctors and nurses doing all sorts of dumb things. I see plenty of bankers, accountants, real estate agents, and the like making dumb financial decisions too. Nobody thinks it’s going to be them. And the nurse probably believed sincerely that she had followed personal protection procedures to the letter.

        1. Well to be fair, she called the CDC, and they told her that she was fine to fly with her current temperature.

          So, while she might be to blame for not taking the precautions to avoid getting Ebola, she seems to have taken reasonable precautions regarding the plane trip. This part is entirely a complete CDC screw up.

          1. I’m glad she isn’t taking care of me. Any nurse who doesn’t have the sense to make the decision by themselves shouldn’t be in the field. Does she have a brain or only do what she’s told?

          2. She’d never have called if she thought it was OK. She only called because she knew it wasn’t, and wanted to have someone else lined up in the chamber to blame for her stupidity. Not that the CDC is a paragon of sense and consistency, but this careless, dumb twat knew she shouldn’t be anywhere near a commercial jet.

        2. The only thing that remotely makes sense to me (which I think you accurately allude to) is simple denial. It’s not acceptable to me but it’s an explanation.

          Personally, even IF I employed all the proper protection procedures (which by a number of accounts now the hospital did not), if I’m dealing with a highly infectious disease like Ebola and my patient just died from uncontrollable bleeding, puking and shitting, AND NOW I’M RUNNING A FEVER, I’m not calling any number but 9-1-1. And I’m certainly not getting into an aluminum tube with 200 other people and flying to Cleveland.

          The CDC has exhibited a series of screwups and they certainly contributed to this but I’m not willing to completely abandon the concepts of personal responsibility and common sense.

  3. Bureaucracies don’t deal well with novel situations, even when the novel situation falls within an area over which they have nominal authority.

    What concerns me about this situation is that usually the way problems get solved even in the face of sclerotic bureaucracies is that intelligent individuals take initiative to act without concerning themselves with the bureaucracy’s authority or goals.

    System performance in Dallas (where people sat around for days without decontaminating Duncan’s apartment because nobody had the right permit) is a little frightening because it implies we may no longer have a critical mass of people willing to take the initiative in that way. We are all peons now.

    1. Can you blame them? Decades of conditioning have resulted in a populace that waits for its masters before acting. Tens of thousands of regulations with force of law have supplanted common sense.

      1. Yup, decades of “if it’s not required, it’s prohibited” have taken their toll.

      2. *Tens of thousands of regulations with force of law have supplanted common sense.*

        Most people throughout history have been severely lacking in common sense. This is not a new phenomenon and has nothing to do with the almighty state, which admittedly, doesn’t help and has no interest in helping.

    2. Seriously, you would think someone, let’s call her Nurse 2, who knows they have potentially been exposed to the virus, would take the initiative and either self quarantine or go to a hospital. Instead, Nurse 2 calls a government agency to get the ok and hey, since Top Men didn’t say she couldn’t fly, it must be ok.

      1. But she didn’t vomit on anyone, so it’s cool.

        1. Did she take a dump or a whiz while she was in the airport or on the plane? Anybody want to sit on the same can she did?

          1. Is she hot?

            1. Since ebola causes a fever…technically, yes.

              1. Nice.

            2. In the afterlife you can tell everyone that you caught the Ebola virus from a 10!

            3. She’s a 99.5 out of 100.4!

        2. And the TSA agent that rubbed it’s paws all over the nurse was wearing rubber gloves so it’s not at risk to download the E-boli virus, so that’s good.

          Of course, the TSA critter didn’t change gloves after pawing the nurse so whoever was in the security theater line after that nurse is fucked, but WHO cares about the mundanes?

          1. As I asked weeks ago, how long will the government deny that a TSA agent has Ebola? I’m not saying one has one now, but if one DOES eventually get it, government will deny the fact as long as possible.

          2. I hadn’t thought of that before. Imagine how many people have gotten sick because a TSA agent felt up a sick passenger, and then rubbed their grubby paws all over a hundred or so more passengers without changing their gloves?

      2. Why? They’ve probably all been trained to take orders from higher-ups, and what’s higher up than a government Top. Man.?

        Initiative? Personal responsibility? Where is this libertarian utopia you speak of?

    3. it implies we may no longer have a critical mass of people willing to take the initiative in that way.

      Scary shit, doesn’t exactly bode well for the future.

      1. This is predicated on the assumption that the groupthink will take sensible actions. The first thing that came to my mind was the mideval peasants slaughtering cats because they mistakenly thought they spread the black death.

        I don’t know the proper decontamination procedures for hemmoragic fever-infested dwellings. The best I can do is avoid the place, or seal off the block. Burning the building down also comes to mind.

        The issue is a matter of hyperspecialization. Current society is accustomed to passing off the matter to the specialist. The problem with Dallas was that the bureaucracy glommed onto this role for diseases, and bureaucracy does not act like a rational human being.

        1. mideval peasants slaughtering cats

          Or today’s equivalent: police shooting dogs.

    4. ” is a little frightening because it implies we may no longer have a critical mass of people willing to take the initiative in that way. ”

      It seems like a read a book one time, where most people were no longer taking initiative and government was attempting to block the efforts of anyone who did take initiative. And this was becoming an increasing societal wide problem.

  4. Well when she called they didn’t know she meant EBOLA ebola.

    1. Guess she shoulda called Whoopi …

  5. What also concerns me is that Obama went from saying, “We will not have an outbreak,” to “We will not have a serious outbreak.”

    If you use the principle that everything Obama says is either a lie or a mistake, that strongly implies that we are about to have a serious outbreak.

    1. “We will not have multiple serious outbreaks.”

      1. “We will not have such a horrific epidemic that Mexico seals off its border with us.”

        1. “We will not have such a horrific epidemic that Mexico and Canada seals off their borders with us.”

          1. “We will not have such a horrific epidemic that Mexico and Canada seal off their borders with us, and Israel Russia nukes the US from orbit, just to be sure.”

            1. “We will not have such a horrific epidemic that Mexico and Canada seall off their borders with us, Russia nukes the US from orbit just to be sure and the fallout causes the virus to mutate, resulting in a sapient virophagous Ebola that hyjacks influenza to reach the rest of the world.”

              1. This is not the apocalypse I planned for…

                1. Look, if I don’t get to shoot any slow zombies, then count me out of this apocalypse.

                  Is anyone up for a game of Pandemic?

                  http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1993282/pandemic

                  1. I was thinking of getting Plague Inc. off of Steam. =)

                    http://www.ndemiccreations.com/en/22-plague-inc

            2. There are those who say a serious Ebola outbreak is just around the corner. We should reject these voices.

        2. Clever — we can’t afford to build the wall, so we let this plague incite the Mexicans to do so. THAT will stop the illegal immigrants!

          Tragically, I can just see various bureaucrats thinking along this lines. No cloud without a silver lining…

          1. Let’s put Rahm “Never let a serious crisis go to waste” Emanuel in charge of the CDC!

          2. Colorado and Washington will be fine because somehow, some way, marijuana will prevent people from getting sick.

    2. Maybe he wasn’t being perfectly clear. I think he said that we will not have an e.coli breakout.

      1. “Are those Cold War bunkers still stocked? And will they be sufficient for a plague instead of a post-nuclear apocalypse?”

    3. Maybe the stupid bastard just doesn’t know shit from Shinola. Why, after all these years of his constant say-whatever-sounds-good-gets me-or-my-friends-elected bullshit lies, would you or anyone else take anything Obozo the joker man says seriously?

      1. I think this is pretty obvious by now. He is also not a person with any experience dealing with a large corporate organization. He doesn’t know how to use his cabinet appointees to deal with anything – he probably just assumes “hey I delegated, that’s what leaders do!” and problem solved – and oh and since he delegated it isn’t his problem anymore.

        He’s just in way over his head.

        1. I’m pretty sure what you just said is racist.

  6. I need me some Ron Bailey reassurance that this can’t happen in the U.S.

    1. Ron Bailey is out getting his inner-prepper on.

  7. Expect more of this when we get single-payer health care.

    1. “Look, just throw the Ebola cases in the plague ward. If they survive, hose them off and let them shamble to the quarantine ward.”

    2. Single-payer health death care.

      1. Unemployment, student loan crisis and climate change problems all solved!!

  8. I just had a thought. If you self quarantine, everyone else will just let you die. If you infect enough people, important people, well then you might get yourself a cure.

    1. Well, that part will be played by the Angry Minority character when they make the movie.

      1. Are you a resident evil fan? That was what popped into my mind, the black guy with the gold desert Eagles.

    2. *raises finger to contradict FM*

      *pauses, thinks*

      *lowers finger*

      Y’know, you might be on to something here. If I get infected, I might just go for a nice long swim in the reservoir to cool off.

      1. If you get infected, make sure you get to DC ASAP.

  9. Doin a hack of a job, Frieden.

    1. It’s his infectious personality.

    2. hack heck
      Wait. Maybe it’s better that way.

      1. Oh, yes – the orig is PERFECT!

        1. I wish I could say it was intentional.

          1. Always take credit even when it isn’t deserved.

            1. **bows**

      2. Yeah I liked the first version better.

    3. I just burst out laughing to this. People are looking into my office with odd looks. Possibly unrelated.

  10. Was it just last week the Director was complaining about his poverty?
    This morning I went to the FY15 Budget Request for CDC (cuz that’s how I roll):
    http://www.cdc.gov/fmo/topic/Budget Information/index.html
    [CDC 15 summary budget – go to page 10-11]

    I see that in FY13, they eked by on just $6.28billion; in FY14, with only a $568million increase, they had to settle for just $6.85billion.

    So with a budget of more than 6billion, with steady increases, it can be assumed that there is plenty of bullshit and fraud and cronyism. I’m sure the Director’s office hasn’t been renovated in months.

    1. Hell, with THAT budget, you would think he could get some dentures that fit better … what’s with all that clicking and swallowing every time he speaks?

      1. Those aren’t his dentures, it’s his internal mechanism.

        http://mindtrans.narod.ru/head…..anson2.jpg

  11. You would think that practitioners in the health field would have a clue on how to protect themselves, or know the right person to ask. Instead, they await the orders from Top Men.
    Local nurses want CDC to issue universal directives to protect from Ebola

    1. This is why this will almost definitely get out of hand and I blame public education; every one waiting around to be spoon fed the answers to the test.
      If I found out that I had to take care of an Ebola patient, I would be on the net researching my ass off from as many sources as possible to make sure that I had the highest level of protection, instead of taking some Authority’s word on it.

      1. Yes, you might do that (assuming the information you obtained was actually accurate, which is a whole different discussion), but what about all the other people that work there? There are so many nurses, doctors, and techs that work in an intensive care unit, to say nothing of the janitorial, food service, and others that come through, plus those that handle the infectious waste generated, that even one who doesn’t take the care to follow procedures could infect dozens. Unless you plan to take the initiative to make sure that each and every person who might possibly come into contact with the patient does everything exactly right, having enforceable guidelines makes perfect sense. We can’t even get everyone to wash their hands after patient contact in hospitals, and it’s not like all of them know better. And I’ll bet you, enlightened as you are, don’t wash your hands after contacts with potentially infectious entities (i.e. everything) either.

        1. Thank you for making my point. Everyone waiting around for someone to tell them what to do. And if those telling everyone else gets it wrong or overlooks something, there’s no independent back-ups. And of course the blame is on the Top Men and the Procedures, because no one can take individual initiative to educate themselves beyond the letter of the Procedures.

        2. Also “enforceable guidelines” can only work if you have someone making sure that each and every person who might possibly come into contact with the patient does everything exactly right because as you point out they can’t even get hospital staff to wash their hands.

    2. “The protective equipment is there, but you use it how you use it,” (nurse) Fisher said. “There’s no one watching you to make sure that you are doing it right. And when you are working with five or six patients at a time, and doctors are in and out of the room, it’s easy to miss something.”

      Apparently she expects the CDC to protect her from her own stupidity.

      I do think the hospitals have in place a protocol called isolation, and I don’t think that staff treating an ebola patient will be wandering the halls and treating other patients. But this wondernurse seems to need someone to explain that to her, again, and to follow her around to make sure she complies.

      1. I’m not going to waste time blaming the nurse when it fits so much better on the bumbling self professed know-it alls with all the authority at the CDC and the administration.

        1. I’m blaming the nurse for not understanding what is so obvious to you and I.

          1. She’s human. She doesn’t want to think she might have a terrible super disease. She doesn’t want to be kept from going home and quarantined in Cleveland. And so she took the out that the Committee of Experts gave her. I can’t fault her much relative to them.

            1. Exactly right, Bo.

            2. You’re talking about the nurse in the original post. I’m talking about the nurse in the article I linked.

            3. In what way is she not personally responsible for her actions given her training and supposed education?

              It seems like you’re say something closer to – if someone could get some government agent to tell them killing their spouse is the best way to style minor disputes, and the spouse ends up killing the other over how much salt they use, it would be the government’s fault.

              I dislike the slavers as much as anyone, but she acted and she was in a position where she should know better.

              Blaming the CDC, even though their recommendation was dangerous and stupid, allows the one who actually acted to escape what is her direct responsibility.

              IE – “the government said it’s OK” isn’t a valid defense when medical personnel knowingly expose others to larger unnecessary risks.

          2. People have been trained to obey Top. Men. for decades. This kind of thing isn’t surprising. Especially in a field like medicine/healthcare where there is no reward for initiative or independent thinking – in fact quite the opposite.

          3. Why? everyone knows that Ebola is like really hard to get and it’s completely unpossible that it can even come here.

      2. Actually, there are specific procedures for safely donning and removing personal protective equipment in a hazmat environment. No one just knows how to do it properly so that you don’t cross-contaminate from the PPE when you leave the hot zone, you have to be properly trained because seemingly insignificant lapses in the proper procedure can have serious consequences. So unless the nurse was specifically trained for this before she was sent in, she has a legitimate complaint.

        1. My beef isn’t that she expects proper protocol to be defined and proper training offered. It’s that she is sitting around waiting on the CDC. I venture that there are people that work in the same building as her and can interact with personally that can provide this expertise.

      3. You don’t really know what she is talking about she could be talking about using the protective gear. In many cases of a dangerous job people are put in teams so the others can double check that all safety precautions are followed. Everybody double checks every activity. It costs a lot of time and money for that redundancy.

    3. Possibly they want to be able to say that they followed procedures and when there is a fuckup, be able to blame those Top Men.

      1. Blaming Top Men will be little solace when there’s blood gushing from her eyes.

        ‘Procedures were followed’ is the way blame is deflected from everyone. The root cause will be a lack of training.

        1. While I agree with your sentiment, I have to say that such a person never expects the blood to be gushing from their own eyes. Probably most of the time it will be someone else who pays the consequences for the fuckup.

        2. Obviously, you missed yesterday’s Presidential briefing – these people are courageous and UNDERPAID…

    4. Ebola is different from known infectious diseases. Were it not, this outbreak would not have occurred. Nurses, and other healthcare workers, can only do what they know. They have to look to TOPMEN for guidance on a disease that’s new to them. This is what we pay almost $7B a year for.

      Healthcare workers are on the front line. They courageously put themselves in danger from many deadly diseases, regularly, to help others. Don’t blame them.

      1. Bullshit.

        “Others told me it was OK” is not a valid argument to mitigate personal responsibility for ones actions.

        Not in Nuremberg and not now.

        Their willingness to sacrifice to help others doesn’t mitigate personal responsibility either.

        Why would you even want it to do so?

        Disclaimer: do not construe my willingness to blame the individual who actually flew as a defense of the CDC. They truly suck and waste far too much time and money “researching” non-disease leftist issues such as guns.

        But if one claims to believe in individual rights, then one must also believe in personally responsibility.

        You cannot maintain either without both.

  12. I looked at its FY2012 budget, the CDC allocated 2% to Core Infectious Disease and 0.4% to Global Disease Detection and Emergency Response.

    0.4% to what should be a core function.

    How much did it spend on heart disease, which is non-communicable and a problem of affluence? What a joke.

  13. They shut down classes in two buildings at a local school (in Solon) because a teacher may have been on the same flight up to CLE as the nurse, all while saying it’s very unlikely that there’s a problem.

    What I don’t understand is why she didn’t stay up here in Akron/Cleveland ANYWAY (or get told to stay). The Clinic is one of the top hospital systems in the world, and her home hospital has been proven to suck at handling this.

    1. Because a Top Man told her it was OK.

  14. And yet there is ZERO appreciation for the heroic work done addressing the fat lesbian problem.

    YOU’RE WELCOME!

    1. Is it even a problem? I thought that was a feature not a bug.

      1. Hey, I didn’t say HOW they addressed it.

        Maybe they tried to make it go viral…

    2. You go work with fat lesbians and you’ll see that it takes quite a bit of heroism. Mortality rates easily exceed Ebola.

  15. You gentlemen are ignoring the larger picture: Dallas finally has a great football team again and in response God has visited a plague upon them.

    1. excellent

    2. “Dallas finally has a great football team”

      I will believe it when Romo doesn’t choke when it matters.

      1. It’s not on him anymore, that teams success rests on the broad shoulders of Murray and the offensive line.

        1. At some point it will come down to him having to orchestrate a 4th quarter drive and he will fuck up at the worst possible time when victory seemed all but certain.

        2. “Broad” = “Fragile”

      2. But imagine, by the playoffs, ZOMBIE ROMO!!
        It would have to be better than the original Romo.

    3. Spot on, Bo.

  16. So this Amber Vinson chick was black and the other nurse was asian, score one for the conspiracy theorists and a fat 0 for rational people everywhere.

    1. And that nurse in Spain was Hispanic.

      1. It’s like crazy how they are somehow able isolate whites from collateral damage, even the white people who “got it” are miraculously cured.

        1. Never underestimate the evil genius of the CIA-KKK-KFC triumvirate

          1. LOL at the KFC part.

            1. They put something in the chicken that makes you crave it fortnightly!

      2. She was from Hispanola?

      3. Actual Spaniards don’t count as ‘Hispanic’. Only Latinos do.

        1. I’m pretty sure they do.

          1. Don’t tell them that. The Spaniards that I know (ok, just one) does not consider himself Hispanic.

            1. It doesn’t matter what they consider themselves, what matters is what a Committee of Experts designates them as.

            2. The Spaniards I know are by way of Argentina, Ecuador, and Uruguay. They don’t consider themselves Hispanic, but we mock them and their border-jumping, burrito-making ways all the same.

          2. Nope. They are Europeans and therefore do not count for purposes of ‘diversity’ statistics.

          3. You do realize that the word “Hispanic” literally means “Half-Spanish” right?

            Spaniards are, pretty much by definition full-Spanish.

    2. What about the Missionaries, the Spanish Nurse and the NBC news crew? Any word on the ‘minority’ status of these individuals?

      1. ay, carumba!

    3. Ebola is the most racist disease ever. It never came to this country until we had a black president.

    4. Not to mention the outbreaks have been in.states that have been electoral thorns in the side of the ruling party for years.

  17. I got fever, and the only cure….is…..waiting it out!

    /Christopher Walken

    1. More protocol!

  18. One positive out of all this crap is the train is downright empty today! I got my own bench, when I’m normally lucky to get to sit at all!

    Maybe all this panic mongering has an upside?

    1. Sure, it’s all skittles and beer until someone starts vomiting blood.

      1. Mmmm, skittle brau.

      2. Skittles the candy or skittles the game? Because I’d like to know what beer goes well with Skittles the candy.

        1. I’m assuming skittles the game, although a nice acidic, fruity, lambic might work with Skittles the candy.

        2. What candy goes well with beer?

          1. If you have beer, why would you need candy?

            Some fried or baked carbohydrates (popcorn, pretzels, french fries) would be more to my taste.

            That’s how the obese lesbians get that way, I think.

          2. Hop candy. Look it up, it is so good.

  19. I’m going to get flamed over this, but nurses are not trained to think. It’s a medium skill job and they are trained to follow protocols. She did exactly what she is trained to do, and asked “the experts” about how to proceed.

    1. This is true. A nurse displaying independent thought is quickly slapped down by doctors and admins. There’s no incentive than to be anything other than an obedient order follower.

      1. “What are your Orders, Doctor?”

  20. but the right rules and protocol will save us, how can this be?

    1. You have to ask? It’s all Bush’s fault.

  21. Chances that other passengers were infected were very low because Vinson did not vomit on the flight and was not bleeding

    Shorter: “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

  22. A government tasked with everything will do nothing well.

  23. Shame on the CDC phone jockey for giving her the go ahead.

    But at the same time…you’re a registered nurse who extensively treated someone who died of Ebola and you honestly thought it was OK? The fact she called is proof that she was thinking it might not be kosher. How important was the trip really? It seriously can’t wait a day or two to see if the fever gets worse?

    Dumb and dumber.

    1. *The fact she called is proof that she was thinking it might not be kosher. How important was the trip really? *

      Dude, she had to get her drink on at some wedding planning party. Super important reason to get on a plane with a biblical plague.

    2. I thought rules, protocols, procedures, and Top Men were gonna save us?

      1. Not really. Basic sanitation, a rudimentary understanding of the science and even a modicum of public health will.

        You don’t have to be part of the Top Men cult to understand the basic science and why Ebola won’t be an issue in the US.

        When countries like Senegal and others have managed to contain it with minimal deaths, whinging about how it’s going to be a problem in the US is just a riot. Aren’t there some Africanized killer bees all these armchair Ebola experts can save us from?

  24. OK, am I missing something?
    After treating an ebola patient, the nurse develops a fever then takes a flight?
    That makes no sense.

  25. I see Reason has now joined the scaremongering media. Nice that I only need one URL for all my pants shitting news.

    1. So, biblical plague but, let me guess, reporting each and every time a cop looks at a scumbag with crossed eyes is uber, uber important.

  26. So, when she called her temperature was 99.5. Did it not occur to the genius at the CDC that when she left for the airport her fever could have been 99.9. Did they not think that 0nce she got through the useless Homeland Security checkpoint it could be 100.9. Or fathom that by the time she boarded the plane it could be 101.2. Who could possibly foresee that by the time the plane landed her temperature could be 103.7.

    It’s as if the government were saying “You live in Dallas, and the wildfires are way out in California, so there is no need for you to have a smoke alarm or a fire extinguisher in your house right now. Wait until your drapes and sofa are fully engulfed in flames before you go to the store and get those items.”

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