The Decline of Cults and the Rise of Subcultures

Should we be worried about the decline of cults in American life? In The New York Times, Ross Douthat notes that both the media and the public have moved on, and now "the cult phenomenon feels increasingly antique, like lava lamps and bell bottoms." But the loss of cult fervor has come at a cost, he suggests: "The decline of cults, while good news for anxious parents of potential devotees, might actually be a worrying sign for Western culture, an indicator not only of religious stagnation but of declining creativity writ large."
It's a provocative case, drawing from essays by Philip Jenkins and Peter Thiel. Jenkins is focused on cults as a religious indicator: "A wild fringe, he suggests, is often a sign of a healthy, vital center, and a religious culture that lacks for charismatic weirdos may lack 'a solid core of spiritual activism and inquiry' as well." Thiel, not surprisingly, is more focused on productivity and invention: "Not only religious vitality but the entirety of human innovation, he argues, depends on the belief that there are major secrets left to be uncovered, insights that existing institutions have failed to unlock (or perhaps forgotten), better ways of living that a small group might successfully embrace."
There's something to this, I think, but it also understates the ways in which semi-cult-like behavior has come to infuse daily life and mainstream culture: Yes, there are probably fewer cults in the aliens-and-messiahs sense, but there are more subcultures, in a wider variety, than ever before, more regimented lifestyle trends and minority beliefs about how to improve personal productivity or fitness, about how to become a better person and live a purer, more interesting, more connected and compelling life.
Some of these subcultures remain distinctly fringe (dumpster-diving freegans, gently quirky bronies, furry fans, Juggalos), while others are embraced, to varying degrees, by the mainstream: At its height, Occupy Wall Street was as much an alternative lifestyle and belief community as a political movement. What is Crossfit if not a ritualized system that offers its highly dedicated, tightly-knit cells of followers a better and more meaningful existence? None of these are cults in the specific sense that Douthat describes, with gated compounds and secret songs, but they are all experiments in behavior, taste, and belief intended to help adherents find meaning and connection in their lives.
So while we don't, and generally shouldn't, think of these sorts of affinity groups and social movements and lifestyle choices as cults, they can and do play a similar role in culture, allowing for small-scale experiments in quasi-radicalism.
The profusion of subcultures, and the way they have emerged as everyday parts of so many lives, makes it easy to forget that they have taken on this role. Part of the reason we don't think of subcultures like cults is because even though some of them still have what might be described as mythologies, they lack the same sort of mystical allure and apocalyptic tendencies.
But another part of the reason is that over the past two decades, participation in niche culture has become ordinary and even mainstream.

Almost everyone—from Burning Man attendees to steampunk hackers to scrapbooking-convention obsessives to homebrewing aficionados and toe-shoe-wearing obstacle-race junkies, many of whom also maintain lives as lawyers and engineers and elementary school administrators—is part of some subculture now, and it's not questioned or noticed because it's not unusual.
Indeed, whether they know it or not, most people take part in multiple subcultures, or portions of them, mixing and matching and discarding parts and pieces as they please. The Internet, which, with its fragmented and unlimited information flows, has hastened the transformation of all of culture into subculture, has helped make this possible, by making niche interests and identities both accessible and malleable to the masses.
Which is probably another reason we take less notice of subcultures than of cults: Many have communal aspects, but they are individualized and custom-tailored, and while many have founders who design and sometimes help maintain the systems, they lack the sort of domineering cult-leader figures of decades past. Subcultures now are atomized and personalized, crossbred and constantly evolving.
Worries about the decline of cults are in some sense a form of nostalgia for an older order, with more clearly delineated lines between the mainstream and the fringe, with radicalism easy to recognize and define and, if necessary, shun. That those days are largely over (at least in the U.S.) isn't a sign that our culture has lost its capacity for lifestyle creativity, its desire for secret knowledge and methods. It's a sign that the creativity is happening elsewhere now, in the blur between the boundaries, in the scrambling of the systems, in the subculture collage.
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Oh, we still have cults, they've just transferred their worship to the state. We have the cult of TEAM OUTRAGE, the cult of animism, lots of cults.
You forgot Crossfit.
Wait, do you mean Cultfit?
The Cuntfit cult would be a great punk band name.
Black and Blue Oyster Cult?
What about the cult of Hit n Run?
All hail the Jacket!
Yep, when you've got POTUS healing the earth and lowering the seas, do you really need a cult?
but of declining creativity writ large.
Oh NYTs...when did you become as stupid as Time Magazine?
When Time magazine's circulation collapsed, the writers had to migrate somewhere!
Had dinner with a newspaper journalist friend of mine last night. The future of printed periodicals is grim.
You don't say.
Though I don't look forward to a world without newspapers. How would I start fires?
Dried poop.
It rains too much where I live.
you'll have to start saving your poop indoors.
Which could become very cultish.
Bronies are furries, even though it pisses them off to no end when you tell them that.
Mmmmm...brownies *drool*
Wait Wut! *wipes drool away angrily*
Don't tell Andrew S (he's the self-admitted bronie, isn't he?) he seems OK.
I thought furries was more of a sex thing.
I thought furries was more of a sex thing.
and now you just offended all the furries.
This is why there are no cultish children cartoon fetishist libertarians!!!
The past decade has been the most creative on record, with innovative tools filtering down to the lowest hands. Peter Thiel, Ross Douthat, and the rest of the these dumb wind bags need to shut up. Just because dinner party guests and TED talk attendees patronize your thoughts doesn't mean you are saying anything interesting.
How do Millenials feel about this?
Lethargically pessimistic.
Niche culture isn't really a subculture in my view.
Subcultures by their very nature are divergent, generally, from norms whereas most niche cultures can incorporate the most right-angle of square people who are about as deviant as bread pudding- your scrap-booker's and obstacle race junkies are a good example of this.
I see no deviation from so-called normalized society from people who shop at Hobby Lobby for stickers and glue for their scrap-booking parties.
Alt-lifestylers and body-piercers are what I'd probably refer to as subculturalists since their actual behavior would tend to shock or repulse general society.
Where do cyborgs fall? I'm asking for a friend.
It depends. Are they more man than machine or more machine than man?
Either way I'm sure they are twisted and evil
It depends on which side you're machine.
Bottom side. Is bottom a side? Either way what a living hell, feeling nothing from the waste down.
No, it doesn't work that way. Left side or right side.
Right side.
You can be twisted without the evil, gator.
*Looks around reason* huh. I guess you're right.
I'd say this one nibbles at the edges of subcultural trappings... maybe takes a dip from time to time in the seductive pools of deviation.
Interesting comment.
Where would you say groups like Burning Man and the Society for Creative Anachronism fall?
Libertarianism: Cult or subculture? You make the call!
Not enough of us to be a subculture and we disagree too much to be a cult.
Well, there's always sub-subculture.
The wave of the future.
More Ripple of the Future. Or maybe Brownian Motion of the Future.
The moment has arrived, I'm told.
The Libertarian Moment! Ongoing since 2008...
GANG!! (makes complex finger signs)
L-walk, nigga.
Someone has to put a cap in those Juggalo fools riding up in this here piece
We are a disorganized political movement that is too popular to be ignored, yet not popular enough to avoid co-option into disaffiliated political movements when it suits them.
I thought we were an autonomous collective.
That's where you're foolin' yourself! We live in a dictatorship!
A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working class...
Quasi-affiliated cancer polyps in the colon of TEAM BE RULED?
We're not the cancer. We're the few remnants of the intestine, observing the multiple cancers eating away at us.
I think we are just a brain in a jar on the deck of a broken-down party boat.
That some drunk is drinking out of right now?
Finally you understand.
I achieved jar wisdom while consulting with Dr. Hfuhruhurr about a recent subdural hematoma case.
+1 Anne Uumellmahaye
It an epidural hematoma! Sheesh! Kids these days.
I'm happiest when poured down the throat of a sexy drunk babe.
"At its height, Occupy Wall Street was as much an alternative lifestyle and belief community as a political movement."
Back in my day, we just called them 'assholes'.
in (slightly greater) seriousness:
Is any agglomeration of people doing...anything? elevated to a 'community'? Is it really a 'lifestyle' when you just show up and hang out for a day or two, then go back to your web-marketing job?
And it doesnt actually require learning anything about the subject of your 'protests' in the process?
basically, put on a Guy Fawkes mask and PRESTO you are in the club and are apparently making a statement of great weight and conviction.
I dont buy it. Its not 'culture'. Hardly any of them can articulate what they 'believe' (I was there and I asked!). It was a phish show without the music. aka 'fragrant clusterfuck'.
by contrast, i think Limp Bizkit @ Woodstock '99 was probably a more significant statement about contemporary society.
Someone bring in Marshall McLuhan and have him do that lecture about the 'tribalizing effect of media' again. Suderman can go back to why the ACA is teh Suck.
OWS types are about as alternative as a hippy in a Trader Joe's or a Millenial punk rocker.
Rape culture?
Break stuff
The 90's were murdered so they say.
On the road to mandalay just "quit" reason.
*rubs hands together* good, gooood, now this cult is even more insular. Mwahahahaha!
Again? He's starting to remind me of the cops in the Pirates of Penzance!
He said he wasn't going to post any longer over the weekend and he came back today. He's proven himself a liar.
I saved this for such an occasion:
On The Road To Mandalay|9.30.14 @ 12:34PM|#
Looks like someone (since yesterday) has assumed my posting identity, thus having me as posting things which I did NOT post, and do not originate with me.
Well, you got your wish. Have to hand it to you. You are clever. You are getting rid of someone only because you don't like their opinions.
Looks like you win, and I really will have to QUIT this site. Have fun kissing each others' libertarian assholes.
So wait, is OTRTM another of Tulpa's sockpuppet identities?
Y'know what? Fuck it. From now on I'm just gonna assume that everyone is Tulpa until proven otherwise.
" I'm just gonna assume that everyone is Tulpa"
Welcome to the EiT Community!
That is most definitely a cult.
Where's the kool-aid?
I honestly think we are all a figment of Warty's imagination.
On the Mote of Warty's Eye
now just don't ask which eye.
Not... not the... the brown eye!?!
The gripping eye.
Maybe not. Tulpa is currently running under "Lt. Womack." He'll probably change names again since that is getting to be widely known.
Nice try, Tulpa.
Yeah, he all but admitted it last night.
Lt Womack|9.29.14 @ 10:59PM|#|?|filternamelinkcustom
That's weak, tarran. Even from you I expected more than a tired cliche of an insult.
You're going to have to do better than that to humiliate and chase away your ideological opponents.
You are too afraid to post under your own name, jizznuts. You lost and keep strutting around like you won.
So, "Liberty Papers": hiatus, finished, or just nothing to write about recently?
We are currently on retreat, plotting our next move towards world supremacy.
We have a five year plan, which might be a little optimistic unless we can smash the United States in the next 12 months!
Five year plans and new deals, wrapped in golden chains
Thanks for the update. Happy plotting - don't forget who your enablers were when you achieve domination.
Doubting that everyone is Tulpa only proves that some Tulpa-like entity must exist.
That's exactly what Tulpa would say to throw me off his trail!
Cults are structured, usually around money or sex flowing upwards to a hierarch, that general work by consuming the entire leisure and labor of adherents. Subcultures are loosely affiliated collectives where individuals intersect in an interest by choice, but otherwise lead their own lives.
Subcultures are loosely affiliated collectives where individuals intersect in an interest by choice, but otherwise lead their own lives.
Yes, but subcultures are variant in nature.
Of course, but a subculture must have some sort of defining point to exist as one, even if if can be an infinite variety of things or ideas or stances.
Cults drink "Kool Aid"
Subcultures drink actual Kool Aid on Thursday nights @ the YMCA
speaking of cults, I recently watched Jonestown - the life and times of Jim Jones.
With death facing them straight in the eye, a huge majority decided to partake of the cyanide. Only a few refused - or were lucky enough not to be present. Now that's a real cult - makes Obamasseih look like a piker.
Oh, yeah? Well, he hasn't served any Flavor Aid to us yet.
... yet. I wonder how many would join in?
That's the key question. Clearly, it's a nonzero sum.
Anybody who voluntarily signed up for ACA?
Same end result.
I think we would be horrified to know the answer to that. Or relieved....yeah, relieved is what I meant.
They killed a Congressman, though, so not all bad.
Yeah, I just watched Paradise Lost about Jonestown.
Gotta say I'm okay with the decline of cults, even if it means there's some marginal decline in creativity (which I don't believe is true).
Obama's cult gets people to sign up with the intention of killing other people, not killing themselves.
"Not only religious vitality but the entirety of human innovation, he argues, depends on the belief that there are major secrets left to be uncovered, insights that existing institutions have failed to unlock (or perhaps forgotten), better ways of living that a small group might successfully embrace."
These kinds of texts make interesting reads, but ultimately, they're not particularly informative or even really correct.
Ultimately, the authors feel out of control, and this is really just an ejaculation of that sentiment.
No mention of Anthropogenic Climate Change?
End times nigh? Check. Charismatic leader? Check. Compound? Not yet.
They're close though, very close.
The Gore Compound is not a compound?
Nah... it's got to be a central place where the movement actually happens. The Climate change set is sort of everywhere. It's too diffuse.
I thought it just has to be a place for Gore to rape all the woman masseuses.
+1 sex crazed poodle
The Gore compound is just Gore by himself jerking it to 15 different computer monitors.
Exactly. It's just all hockey sticks and playing hide-the-decline with his new girlfriend.
Do re-education camps for deniers count as compounds? I have heard that idea tossed around a bit.
Can't, Ron Bailey desperately wants the approval of that Cult even though he will never get it.
This is actually a fun game:
Progressives:
End times nigh? No. Compound? No. Charismatic leader? Hell yes.
Republicans:
End times nigh? No. Compound? No. Charismatic leader? Hell no.
I'm pretty sure Republicans are capable of rallying around the right sort of charismatic leader.
Former New Deal moderate GE spokesman?
Making a tsimmes about people's doing, or not doing, shit?
Reminds me of that book, Bowling Alone, whose title I found so ironic because my experience was that you couldn't get time at bowling alleys because all the lanes were taken up by leagues!
I've recently been watching the reality show Utopia.
Which would be a much better show if it were more cult-like. They really need more crazy new age loons on the show. The preacher and the ex-con left, and there's only one delusional hippie running around complaining about floride and microwaves, and she isn't charismatic enough to turn the yoga instructor and the polyamorous belly dancer into acolytes.
What's to blame for the lack of cults? Market failure! We need government intervention to maintain the supply of cults!
/prog
I have sincere doubts that the entirety of human innovation is reliant on superstition, whether that superstition be mainstream or fringe. Lots of secrets are indeed left to be uncovered, but if you think mysticism is the vehicle for discovery then perhaps you should move to Sub-Saharan Africa which of course must be the center of discovery and innovation.
Ross Douthat should cut off his dick and burn it in a fire and whether or not this article is worth a pot of piss will be revealed to him on the next full moon.
I really like the bass on that song. *starts twerking*
was that going to be She Sells Sanctuary Down By The Sea Shore... or Fire Woman?
I was always put off by bands that looked more Metal than they sounded. Good singer though.
That was one of my favorite songs on the Vice City soundtrack. Great driving song, especially in a stolen car.
Dude kicks up his heels like a River Dancer!
End times nigh? Check. Compound? Check (Free State Project). Charismatic eader? Nope.
So no, no cult status yet.
Nah....never been much of a joiner or team player.
Hello? Ron Paul.
Christ, a libertarian cult would fall apart in a week. You know why?
Abortion. Circumcision. Non-interventionist foreign policy. Immigration. Deep dish pizza.
*cue riot*
These are easy:
1) Fine 2) Ow! 3) Doesn't Exist 4) Yes 4) Exists, but doesn't matter.
Don't forget the traitorous anti-apartment ferret farm wing.
Breakers and destroyers all!!
Hello? I said Charismatic.
I was always put off by bands that looked more Metal than they sounded. Good singer though.
I always put the Cult in the 'Bands that sound a lot more metal than they looked', because they look like they should be covering "Culture Club" tunes.
5) Oxymoron
Comes into a joke thread and takes a giant shit.
You suck Hihn.
You are replying to my view on "Deep Dish Pizza" for the record.
Which is pretty epic.
Ah, yes. the "frilly shirts".
I think in the 80s, you either went 'spandex and ripped shirts', or you claimed to be more "60s'" (the Cult claimed to be in the tradition of 'The Doors')...
...also, i think they were big in England, and that was still pretty "metal" over there.