I've always been curious about the relationship between celebrities and the causes they represent: who initiates the connection, how the celeb gets briefed, and so on. If you've wondered about the same thing, the London Telegraph's recent report on actress/singer Elizabeth McGovern's trip to Sierra Leone with the California-based charity World Vision will be illuminating. Or maybe her story is entirely atypical and doesn't illuminate much at all. Either way, it's an entertaining read:
[P]erhaps because it is a profoundly Christian organisation -- [Sarah] Wilson describes it as "more Christian than Christian Aid" -- [World Vision] is big in the United States, but has a relatively small presence in our more sceptical isles, where we are wary of anything that looks like proselytising (a spokesman confirmed that it sometimes uses charity funds to set up Christian education courses for those of other faiths).
I ask McGovern why, as a non-Christian, she chose to support World Vision rather than one of the many secular, apolitical charities, such as Unicef. Her answer is unexpected: she had no idea that it was a faith-based organisation. As it turned out, charity representatives failed to make their Christianity clear to her. This, they say, was an "oversight"; they had assumed that McGovern would take a look at the World Vision website (their logo is a shining cross).
"I was stupid not to realise it," she tells me later. "I think the people at World Vision assumed it would be obvious." McGovern has not withdrawn from World Vision, as "on balance, it is an organisation that does a lot of good for many people." In addition, World Vision has paid her band £28,000 to fund the recording of their latest album and a UK tour, in return for which they have agreed to promote the charity. Without this money, McGovern says, her band would "never survive".
I also enjoyed this impromptu political commentary:
"I get the impression that in Africa people have sex far more freely than we do back home," reflects McGovern. "You see certain cultures where there's just endemic cruelty to women. I wonder if World Vision would take on the problem of women wearing the burka? And that clitoris thing is awful."
On a more substantial level, the article includes some thoughtful commentary on the relationship between child sponsorship, broader forms of aid, and PR. When McGovern meets Jestina, the African girl her donations have been sponsoring, the author notes that "the money does not go to Jestina or her family, but is used for various projects in the area. The little girl is being used as the human face of her community, and McGovern is the human face of ours; it is a feedback loop of public relations." He doesn't declare this as a debunker -- he goes on to say that those projects do good for the village, and thus presumably for Jestina -- but to take a clearer look at what exactly the transaction we're witnessing actually means.
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Apparently The Economist has gotten so sick of Argentina lying about their economic numbers that they've banned Argentina from self-reporting economic statistics.
The Economist could suffer a 90% drop in journalistic quality and utter devastation of their editorial wit, and still be leaps and bounds superior to what we call "news" in the United States.
Big lurch to the left in general. Gradual decline in quality. I've long since dropped my subscription but didn't they even recently endorse the 'opposition to Obama is racism' BS?
Same here, although my sub ran out in maybe 2008 and I never renewed. I guess I don't see what you mean as much since I only check em out online from time to time these days. But it doesn't surprise me. Even despite that, I'd *still* argue they are so much less retarded than most MSM news in the US that they still deserve props.
Is that picture Elizabeth McGovern or is it Jennifer Connelly who played the younger version of the character played by McGovern in Once Upon A Time in the West??
I was on the cusp of responding "Wasn't that Andie MacDowell?" when I realized I was actually thinking of Phenomenon, but then saw that that wasn't Andie MacDowell either, because I was actually actually thinking of the movie Michael.
On a related point, whatever happened to Andie MacDowell?
You might be right. I don't remember where in the movie that scene came, and her face is too small in the picture for me to say for sure which one it is. I just went looking for photos of the character online and thought that one seemed somehow to fit the excerpt.
The film was shot in 1983. McGovern was born in 1961 so was 22 at the time. She didn't play her character as a child. Connolly who was 13 at the time did.
"I get the impression that in Africa people have sex far more freely than we do back home," reflects McGovern. "You see certain cultures where there's just endemic cruelty to women. I wonder if World Vision would take on the problem of women wearing the burka? And that clitoris thing is awful."
Yeah, African sex is VERY free if you're a man. For example, in large swathes of sub-Saharan Africa, I am free to grab a woman off the street and rape her in order to 'cure my AIDS.'
I am then free to die at 40 from Kaposi's Sarcoma.
Can't be bothered to RTFA. Does it talk about how little Jestina and her classmates spend hours a day writing letters to donors, saying how wonderful life is since they sent money and how awful it will be again if they don't send more?
The thing about Once Upon a Time in America is that there are multiple versions.
The studio ruined the theatrical release.
That was also the first VHS release. So that's the version most people know.
The difference between the theatrical version and the director's cut is even more profound than the difference between the two versions of Kingdom of Heaven. And that's saying an awful lot.
The director's cut of Once Upon a Time in America is epic and grueling. By the time it's over you feel like you lived the DeNiro character's life personally, like Picard and that stupid flute.
I didn't see that movie in the theater. The first time I saw it was back in the 80s on HBO. And it was the long version director's cut. I don't think I have ever seen the theatrical version. Every person I know who is a fan of that movie is about my age and saw it on VHS or on HBO in high school or college.
"'World Vision has paid her band ?28,000 to fund the recording of their latest album and a UK tour, in return for which they have agreed to promote the charity. Without this money, McGovern says, her band would "never survive".""
God, you're *that bad*? Half of my friends are mediocre musicians, and hell, they can self-finance a European tour every year. (Europeans have ZERO taste in live music - anybody is good over there) I thought she was at least still pretty hawt?
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"The little girl is being used as the human face of her community, and McGovern is the human face of ours'"
Why did I think of "The Terminator" when they kept referring to THE HUMAN FACE?
There was an interesting story about how celebrity comes to a cause on HBO's Real Sports. Boomer Esiason was receiving some award at a fundraier for cystic fibrosis early in his career. He says he was completely unaware that it was a fundraiser or associated with a cause. Sports writer and CF activist Frank Deford was the featured speaker and told the moving story of the death of his young daughter from CF.
Boomer said something inside him changed at that moment and he became an active sponsor of CF causes, visiting kids at Cincinnati area hospitals and raising money. He even made sure that all of his sponsorship deals included a commitment from his sponsors to support and promote his foundation.
Years later his young son was diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis at the same hospital that Esiason had been supporting all those years. An amazing coincidence. With all of the progress made in medical science, Boomer's son is still alive and kicking in his 20's.
It is an amazing story and the progress is amazing as well. Many of those with CF live into middle age currently and life expectancies continue to extend. Two decades ago, it was an early death sentence.
And Once Upon A Time In America is a fantastic movie. I would say after the first two Godfather movies and Goodfellas, the best gangster flick ever.
That's because Sergio Leone is awesome.
He's probably the major director with the highest percentage of great movies. Once Upon A Time In America, Once Upon A Time in the West, and the Man With No Name Trilogy are unbelievable. He only made one or two other movies beyond those five.
Goodfellas has some of the best individual scenes of any movie. The Godfather has some unbelievable individual scenes as well (the death in the orange orchard, Sonny getting shot, the restaurant shooting) but I don't think there are as many memorable moments or lines in Once Upon A Time In America.
It's a great movie, but I don't remember as much about it as I do Goodfellas or the Godfather.
Here is the question, as good as Once Upon a Time in America is, how often do you rewatch it? I don't very often. It is a very intense movie and requires a lot of attention and isn't something I would just sit down and watch with nothing better to do.
The other three in contrast, I rewatch a lot. You just can't help but want to watch them again. Few movies are like that.
The Godfather movies are unbelievably annoying. Not because they're bad, but because I cannot tell you how many fucking morons in my youth who just loved the movies asked me again and again if my family (the Italian side, obviously) was in the mafia, and expressed how cool that would be.
I got incredibly tired of explaining that the movies are a fantasy and that actual mobsters are animals that you want to avoid at all costs. So you know what? Fuck you, Francis Ford Coppola. Go make a fantasy about the Irish mob or the Russian mob instead so that idiots can annoy people other than those with Italian genes.
To this day I can't watch those movies without getting annoyed. Goodfellas? No problem, Scorcese portrayed them as the animals they are.
I'm confused as to how those movies are fantasies or how they would make anyone want to join the mob.
They all have terrible family relationships and half of Michael's siblings are killed. At what point is this supposed to make the mafia look appealing?
The funny thing about the Godfather is, the animals in Goodfellas watched it and emulating it. The success of the Godfather got an entire generation of mob morons to give up on the "keep your head down and make sure you never attract attention to yourself" ethos and strut around effectively putting targets on their chests. They went from Carlo Gambino to John Gotti. The Gotti, "I want tell the world I am the Don" approach didn't work out so well. Really, Copala did as much to destroy the Italian mob in this country as anyone ever has.
I noted that one of the similar factors in the people who would say this stuff was that they were dissatisfied with their family life.
It sounds goofy, but plenty of people really did this. They found the whole rich, aristocratic-like, don't-fuck-with-our-family lifestyle of the Corleones to be very attractive, and they loved the "family" aspect of it.
If you're confused by it, take it up with them. I was also confused by it, but also annoyed after a while.
It sounds goofy, but plenty of people really did this. They found the whole rich, aristocratic-like, don't-fuck-with-our-family lifestyle of the Corleones to be very attractive, and they loved the "family" aspect of it.
That is not goofy at all. The Godfather is a great American tail of immigrants and family using the mafia as a hook and plot device. That is why it is so popular with the wider population whereas Goodfellas is just popular with movie buffs and people who like violent crime movies.
The bigger capos and the like always strutted around, John. The FBI, using RICO statutes, really went after the mob in the 70s, much more than they had before. That was really the downfall. All they had to do was finally find someone who would rather talk and live in the witness protection program than shut up and do their time. And they found that person in Henry Hill and some others.
I thought Donnie Brasco was alright for an undercover cop film. What I truly hated was The Departed. Wall-to-wall Boston accents drive me into a killing rage, and the very next day after I watched it I had to pick someone up at Logan, and got hassled by a Mass State Police Officer with the exact same accent as the characters in the movie. Argghhh.
The annoying thing about The Departed is that people think it is the real story of the FBI and its favorite mobster Whitey Bulger. It is not. It is a remake of some Hong Kong cinema movie.
I wish they would make a movie about John Connolly and Whitey Bugler that shows the truth about the horrible corrupt entity that is the FBI. But I seriously doubt the FBI would ever let such a thing be made.
Sure McGovern is a bit of a nitwit. But she was a serious babe back in the 1980s. Stop screwing with my adolescence Jesse.
it is a feedback loop of public relations.
*pounds head on desk*
"And that clitoris thing is awful."
Clits aren't awful, they're magical.
And that clitoris thing is awful.
Yeah, it's terrible how the clitoris keeps trying to hide behind the prepuce. Who designed that shit, anyway?
They should just cut it off or something.
Did anyone see this?
Argentina limits consumers to two international internet purchases a year in a desperate attempt to stop money from fleeing Argentina.
Apparently The Economist has gotten so sick of Argentina lying about their economic numbers that they've banned Argentina from self-reporting economic statistics.
Does that mean we should start crying for them now?
Come on, man, you're not supposed to cry for them.
No. The are not supposed to cry for YOU. You can cry all you want. They don't cry.
Episiarch is Eva Peron?
The Economist article where they announced they were no longer accepting Argentinian statistics was called 'Don't Lie To Me Argentina.'
The Economist could suffer a 90% drop in journalistic quality and utter devastation of their editorial wit, and still be leaps and bounds superior to what we call "news" in the United States.
Discuss.
You mean another 90% drop since the Micklethwait 90%?
I had to actually look up what the beef is
I'm guessing = they are now, under his editorial leadership, completely in the bag with the "OMG GLOBAL WARMINGS DO SOMETHIN!!"-crowd?
Which I have noticed a bit, but less so in the last 2 years.
Big lurch to the left in general. Gradual decline in quality. I've long since dropped my subscription but didn't they even recently endorse the 'opposition to Obama is racism' BS?
I would read it cover to cover roughly 1995-2005.
re: "cover to cover 1995-2005"
Same here, although my sub ran out in maybe 2008 and I never renewed. I guess I don't see what you mean as much since I only check em out online from time to time these days. But it doesn't surprise me. Even despite that, I'd *still* argue they are so much less retarded than most MSM news in the US that they still deserve props.
needs more fish with teeth.
is it still charity if you get paid for it? Not that I give a shit, but it seems contradictory in terms.
apolitical charities, such as Unicef.
Top lel.
Kiva is the best way to directly help little Justina.
MATT FUCKING DAMON!
TEACHERZ!
Is that picture Elizabeth McGovern or is it Jennifer Connelly who played the younger version of the character played by McGovern in Once Upon A Time in the West??
Err, once upon a time in AMERICA.
Connelly.
You pervert.
Looks like Jennifer Connelly to me.
Except it's not actually from Once Upon a Time in the West, it's from Labyrinth.
You sure its not The Dark Crystal?
You're thinking of David Bowie, and no, it was The Man Who Fell to Earth.
I'm positive there were some puppets involved.
It's Phenomena you dolt.
I was on the cusp of responding "Wasn't that Andie MacDowell?" when I realized I was actually thinking of Phenomenon, but then saw that that wasn't Andie MacDowell either, because I was actually actually thinking of the movie Michael.
On a related point, whatever happened to Andie MacDowell?
There weren't any human characters in Dark Crystal.
LIES. THOSE WERE JUST GREAT ACTORS.
DeNiro once gained 3,200 lbs just to play the lead role in Eugene Ionesco's 'Rhinoceros'.
Pretty sure that's McGovern.
It's Connelly in the picture. She played the young version of the character and McGovern plays the grown up one.
It's Connelly in the picture.
You might be right. I don't remember where in the movie that scene came, and her face is too small in the picture for me to say for sure which one it is. I just went looking for photos of the character online and thought that one seemed somehow to fit the excerpt.
The film was shot in 1983. McGovern was born in 1961 so was 22 at the time. She didn't play her character as a child. Connolly who was 13 at the time did.
I saw that photo, glanced at post, and angrily said to myself, "HEY! Once Upon a Time in America is a GREAT movie?!"
Then I read the alt text and went, 'hurh. derp'
Yeah, African sex is VERY free if you're a man. For example, in large swathes of sub-Saharan Africa, I am free to grab a woman off the street and rape her in order to 'cure my AIDS.'
I am then free to die at 40 from Kaposi's Sarcoma.
Not women, Irish. Virgins. Including babies to insure that they are virgins. I wish I was making this up.
I wonder if she's proud to play one of television's most prominent job creators.
Can't be bothered to RTFA. Does it talk about how little Jestina and her classmates spend hours a day writing letters to donors, saying how wonderful life is since they sent money and how awful it will be again if they don't send more?
The thing about Once Upon a Time in America is that there are multiple versions.
The studio ruined the theatrical release.
That was also the first VHS release. So that's the version most people know.
The difference between the theatrical version and the director's cut is even more profound than the difference between the two versions of Kingdom of Heaven. And that's saying an awful lot.
The director's cut of Once Upon a Time in America is epic and grueling. By the time it's over you feel like you lived the DeNiro character's life personally, like Picard and that stupid flute.
I didn't see that movie in the theater. The first time I saw it was back in the 80s on HBO. And it was the long version director's cut. I don't think I have ever seen the theatrical version. Every person I know who is a fan of that movie is about my age and saw it on VHS or on HBO in high school or college.
I wonder if World Vision assigned McGovern the job of firing their evil African nannies.
She kicks ass at that.
"'World Vision has paid her band ?28,000 to fund the recording of their latest album and a UK tour, in return for which they have agreed to promote the charity. Without this money, McGovern says, her band would "never survive".""
God, you're *that bad*? Half of my friends are mediocre musicians, and hell, they can self-finance a European tour every year. (Europeans have ZERO taste in live music - anybody is good over there) I thought she was at least still pretty hawt?
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"The little girl is being used as the human face of her community, and McGovern is the human face of ours'"
Why did I think of "The Terminator" when they kept referring to THE HUMAN FACE?
Half of my friends are mediocre musicians, and hell, they can self-finance a European tour every year.
But woudl they if someone wanted to give them the money instead?
There was an interesting story about how celebrity comes to a cause on HBO's Real Sports. Boomer Esiason was receiving some award at a fundraier for cystic fibrosis early in his career. He says he was completely unaware that it was a fundraiser or associated with a cause. Sports writer and CF activist Frank Deford was the featured speaker and told the moving story of the death of his young daughter from CF.
Boomer said something inside him changed at that moment and he became an active sponsor of CF causes, visiting kids at Cincinnati area hospitals and raising money. He even made sure that all of his sponsorship deals included a commitment from his sponsors to support and promote his foundation.
Years later his young son was diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis at the same hospital that Esiason had been supporting all those years. An amazing coincidence. With all of the progress made in medical science, Boomer's son is still alive and kicking in his 20's.
It is an amazing story and the progress is amazing as well. Many of those with CF live into middle age currently and life expectancies continue to extend. Two decades ago, it was an early death sentence.
UNICEF is creepy. The name itself sounds like it was invented by George Orwell. Ingsoc. Minipax. Unicef.
Once Upon a Time In The West is pretty good too.
She was very cute. I would go farther than pleasant. She was a brunette with big blue eyes. She was like Zoe Daschennel only with a much better body.
And Once Upon A Time In America is a fantastic movie. I would say after the first two Godfather movies and Goodfellas, the best gangster flick ever.
Tuesday Weld's character was way more interesting.
And Once Upon A Time In America is a fantastic movie. I would say after the first two Godfather movies and Goodfellas, the best gangster flick ever.
Oh, it's way better than Goodfellas. I'd say it's neck to neck with The Godfather for the #1 spot.
That's because Sergio Leone is awesome.
He's probably the major director with the highest percentage of great movies. Once Upon A Time In America, Once Upon A Time in the West, and the Man With No Name Trilogy are unbelievable. He only made one or two other movies beyond those five.
Zoe Deschanel has one of the finest bodies on TV. Don't you watch New Girl? She was in bra and panties in one episode. Smokin'
I love Goodfellas. I like the dialog better in Goodfellas. Goodfellas is just so damned entertaining no matter how many times you see it.
Goodfellas has some of the best individual scenes of any movie. The Godfather has some unbelievable individual scenes as well (the death in the orange orchard, Sonny getting shot, the restaurant shooting) but I don't think there are as many memorable moments or lines in Once Upon A Time In America.
It's a great movie, but I don't remember as much about it as I do Goodfellas or the Godfather.
Here is the question, as good as Once Upon a Time in America is, how often do you rewatch it? I don't very often. It is a very intense movie and requires a lot of attention and isn't something I would just sit down and watch with nothing better to do.
The other three in contrast, I rewatch a lot. You just can't help but want to watch them again. Few movies are like that.
The Godfather movies are unbelievably annoying. Not because they're bad, but because I cannot tell you how many fucking morons in my youth who just loved the movies asked me again and again if my family (the Italian side, obviously) was in the mafia, and expressed how cool that would be.
I got incredibly tired of explaining that the movies are a fantasy and that actual mobsters are animals that you want to avoid at all costs. So you know what? Fuck you, Francis Ford Coppola. Go make a fantasy about the Irish mob or the Russian mob instead so that idiots can annoy people other than those with Italian genes.
To this day I can't watch those movies without getting annoyed. Goodfellas? No problem, Scorcese portrayed them as the animals they are.
#1 Godfather 3
#2 Mickey Blue Eyes
#3 Bugsy Malone
#4 Dick Tracy
No love for The Freshman?
I'm with Tundra.
I'm confused as to how those movies are fantasies or how they would make anyone want to join the mob.
They all have terrible family relationships and half of Michael's siblings are killed. At what point is this supposed to make the mafia look appealing?
The funny thing about the Godfather is, the animals in Goodfellas watched it and emulating it. The success of the Godfather got an entire generation of mob morons to give up on the "keep your head down and make sure you never attract attention to yourself" ethos and strut around effectively putting targets on their chests. They went from Carlo Gambino to John Gotti. The Gotti, "I want tell the world I am the Don" approach didn't work out so well. Really, Copala did as much to destroy the Italian mob in this country as anyone ever has.
I noted that one of the similar factors in the people who would say this stuff was that they were dissatisfied with their family life.
It sounds goofy, but plenty of people really did this. They found the whole rich, aristocratic-like, don't-fuck-with-our-family lifestyle of the Corleones to be very attractive, and they loved the "family" aspect of it.
If you're confused by it, take it up with them. I was also confused by it, but also annoyed after a while.
It sounds goofy, but plenty of people really did this. They found the whole rich, aristocratic-like, don't-fuck-with-our-family lifestyle of the Corleones to be very attractive, and they loved the "family" aspect of it.
That is not goofy at all. The Godfather is a great American tail of immigrants and family using the mafia as a hook and plot device. That is why it is so popular with the wider population whereas Goodfellas is just popular with movie buffs and people who like violent crime movies.
The bigger capos and the like always strutted around, John. The FBI, using RICO statutes, really went after the mob in the 70s, much more than they had before. That was really the downfall. All they had to do was finally find someone who would rather talk and live in the witness protection program than shut up and do their time. And they found that person in Henry Hill and some others.
Scorcesi really knows how to use the Stones. I love the way he used Can't You Hear Knocking in Casino.
I saw Donnie Brasco a few months ago because it had good ratings on IMDB.
Good lord that movie sucks.
You forgot Oscar.
That and the Rockefeller laws. They were all dealing drugs. And once the penalties for drugs mean life not just a few years, they all started to turn.
I thought Donnie Brasco was alright for an undercover cop film. What I truly hated was The Departed. Wall-to-wall Boston accents drive me into a killing rage, and the very next day after I watched it I had to pick someone up at Logan, and got hassled by a Mass State Police Officer with the exact same accent as the characters in the movie. Argghhh.
The annoying thing about The Departed is that people think it is the real story of the FBI and its favorite mobster Whitey Bulger. It is not. It is a remake of some Hong Kong cinema movie.
I wish they would make a movie about John Connolly and Whitey Bugler that shows the truth about the horrible corrupt entity that is the FBI. But I seriously doubt the FBI would ever let such a thing be made.
I would also argue that Goodfellas has more memorable lines and scenes, but it does go off the rails in its third act, IMO.
Once Upon A Time is a masterpiece from start to finish that totally immerses you in the world of these characters.
The HK movie "Infernal Affairs" is damn good. Never seen the Departed or have plans to.
Goodfellas goes off the rails into a sewer of drugs and bad 70s interior design.
I like Goodfellas fine, I just don't think it's in the same class as the other pictures.
He also had Ennio Morricone to set the mood.
Who is up for "Once Upon a Time in Mexico"?
[Frantically Googles]