The activist groups who flock to the United Nations' annual climate change conferences are pleased to style themselves as "civil society." These self-chosen representatives of the planet's people, frustrated that they are not being allowed to reorganize the entire world's energy economy yet, staged a "massive" walkout today at the Warsaw conference. From the Greenpeace press release:
In regards to the massive NGO walk-out today from the UN climate negotiations, Kumi Naidoo, Executive Director of Greenpeace International said:
"The Polish government has done its best to turn these talks into a showcase for the coal industry. Along with backsliding by Japan, Australia and Canada, and the lack of meaningful leadership from other countries, governments here have delivered a slap in the face to those suffering as a result of dangerous climate change. The EU is being shackled by the Polish government and its friends in the coal industry, and must resume leading on the climate agenda if Paris is going to deliver a treaty that matters." …
"We believe in this process. We will never give up on it, because people around the world desperately need a global treaty on climate change. But a new treaty must also be meaningful. Warsaw has simply not been good enough. As civil society, we will be back next year with still more voices behind us, with more determination and with more ambition to succeed. We expect governments to do the same."
Setting aside Naidoo's grandiloquence, can a walkout of perhaps 100 white t-shirted people truthfully be characterized as "massive"?
Ronald Bailey
The number of journalists covering the event very likely equaled the number of perambulating activists.
Ronald Bailey
Still, I expect Naidoo and his fellow travelers to fulfill their threat to return in higher numbers when the next climate change meeting convenes in Lima in 2014.
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Its all theater, the activists pretend to do a massive walkout and the press pretend to report it. It was probably all arranged days ago.
The same happens in the USA, you hear the reporter reading his script about a massive protest but the cameras only show fifty or a hundred people packed together to make it look like a crowd.
"The same happens in the USA, you hear the reporter reading his script about a massive protest but the cameras only show fifty or a hundred people packed together to make it look like a crowd."
When Bush was in office, I drove by the Federal Building in SF. There was a 'crowd' of maybe 20-25 people holding signs about war, surrounded by TV news crews.
I happened to see the result that night; the camera angle was low and aimed toward the densest part of the crowd; the talking head was saying 'large demonstration!.
Lies.
Oh, and they haven't had one of those 'large demonstrations' since dream-boat's been lying his way through two terms.
"Still, I expect Naidoo and his fellow travelers to fulfill their threat to return in higher numbers when the next climate change meeting convenes in Lima in 2014."
I usually associate walkouts with work stoppages, or dumb kids leaving in the middle of classes. Where exactly did these people walk out of? Did anyone want them in there in the first place?
Exactly. When people do stunts like this, I don't think "OMG, everybody's on their side, I'd better be too!", I think "Well, now I know what side the crackpots have joined."
The woman holding the "Seize Your Power" sign with the WWF logo on it should demand that the organization with a $200,000,000 spend some money on buying/leasing land and building windmills. They cost about a million per, so in any given year they could build quite a few. Plus, they should generate revenue which could be channeled by WWF into building even more windmills, being beautifully free of the profit motive.
..."a slap in the face to those suffering as a result of dangerous climate change."...
And that would be who, specifically, and please detail the damages and how you know the damage is a "result of" AGW and AGW alone.
Exceeeeeept = hydrogen has a lot of problems when it comes to storing it a high enough density to be a feasible power source.
10 years ago the US was 'committed' to hydrogen cars - then the numbers for efficiency and the cost of completely rebuilding the energy transport infrastructure of this country finally sunk into the thick heads of the pols. They quickly and quietly dropped the subject after that.
Why would they think a 'walk-out' would have any beneficial effect for their organization? *Nobody* wanted them there in the first place, not the organizers, not the conference attendees (who are these icky people trying to force us to implement their programs? That's *our* job!), and certainly not the 'skeptics'.
There are few actions that would advance the cause of reducing carbon emissions further than lynching every member and contributor to the organizations involved in the walkout, given the anti-nuclear stances of Oxfam International, Greenpeace, and Freinds of the Earth International.
Its all theater, the activists pretend to do a massive walkout and the press pretend to report it. It was probably all arranged days ago.
The same happens in the USA, you hear the reporter reading his script about a massive protest but the cameras only show fifty or a hundred people packed together to make it look like a crowd.
"The same happens in the USA, you hear the reporter reading his script about a massive protest but the cameras only show fifty or a hundred people packed together to make it look like a crowd."
When Bush was in office, I drove by the Federal Building in SF. There was a 'crowd' of maybe 20-25 people holding signs about war, surrounded by TV news crews.
I happened to see the result that night; the camera angle was low and aimed toward the densest part of the crowd; the talking head was saying 'large demonstration!.
Lies.
Oh, and they haven't had one of those 'large demonstrations' since dream-boat's been lying his way through two terms.
Why would they? They were protesting a Republican being president, there really were no other issues in play.
I bet the Poles don't mind their enemies walking out on them...if only the Russians and Germans did that, history would be different, and better.
"Still, I expect Naidoo and his fellow travelers to fulfill their threat to return in higher numbers when the next climate change meeting convenes in Lima in 2014."
How are they going to get there? Sailboats?
They're going to fly there on wings of pure hypocrisy.
-jcr
Don't worry I bet they bought some Al Gore carbon offset snake oil certificates so its all good.
To think that shit for brains got rich on that crazy bullshit.
I usually associate walkouts with work stoppages, or dumb kids leaving in the middle of classes. Where exactly did these people walk out of? Did anyone want them in there in the first place?
Exactly. When people do stunts like this, I don't think "OMG, everybody's on their side, I'd better be too!", I think "Well, now I know what side the crackpots have joined."
The woman holding the "Seize Your Power" sign with the WWF logo on it should demand that the organization with a $200,000,000 spend some money on buying/leasing land and building windmills. They cost about a million per, so in any given year they could build quite a few. Plus, they should generate revenue which could be channeled by WWF into building even more windmills, being beautifully free of the profit motive.
should read "yearly budget" after 200,000,000
..."a slap in the face to those suffering as a result of dangerous climate change."...
And that would be who, specifically, and please detail the damages and how you know the damage is a "result of" AGW and AGW alone.
Sorta OT:
If you are going to get rid of gas cars this seems a lot smarter to me.
Hydrogen as your battery.
That video was about wheat farming.
I've clicked it 3 times. Hydrogen car comes up for me.
Here it is again.
Exceeeeeept = hydrogen has a lot of problems when it comes to storing it a high enough density to be a feasible power source.
10 years ago the US was 'committed' to hydrogen cars - then the numbers for efficiency and the cost of completely rebuilding the energy transport infrastructure of this country finally sunk into the thick heads of the pols. They quickly and quietly dropped the subject after that.
OT:
Texas drivers stopped at roadblock, asked for saliva and blood samples. FTA: the fine print on a form given to drivers informs them their breath was tested by "passive alcohol sensor readings before the consent process has been completed."
How do these guys get to these assemblies? Unicorns?
PUBLIC SERVICE UNICORNS
It's in europe, so probably trains.
""We believe in this process. We will never give up on it"
WE WILL KEEP WALKING OUT UNTIL WE MAGICALLY GET WHAT WE WANT
Oh I've upset you and you're leaving?
Good.
/grumpycat
Why would they think a 'walk-out' would have any beneficial effect for their organization? *Nobody* wanted them there in the first place, not the organizers, not the conference attendees (who are these icky people trying to force us to implement their programs? That's *our* job!), and certainly not the 'skeptics'.
There are few actions that would advance the cause of reducing carbon emissions further than lynching every member and contributor to the organizations involved in the walkout, given the anti-nuclear stances of Oxfam International, Greenpeace, and Freinds of the Earth International.