Europe's Problem With Growing Anti-Semitism
New anti-imperialist activists enable an old hatred.

Is hostility toward Israel linked to hostility toward Jews? A report on anti-Semitism in Europe, released on November 8—the day before the anniversary of the Kristallnacht pogrom that marked the start of the Nazi war on Jews 75 years ago—addresses this contentious question. While Israel's supporters have long warned of a new strain of anti-Semitism camouflaged in pro-Palestinian advocacy and opposition to Israeli policies, Israel's critics complain that charges of anti-Jewish bigotry are used to silence dissent. Yet the latest study, Discrimination and Hate Crime Against Jews in EU Member States, strongly suggests that "the new anti-Semitism" is not a propagandist myth but a depressing reality.
The evidence is especially compelling since it comes from a neutral source: the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA). The agency surveyed nearly 6,000 self-identified Jews in eight European Union countries (Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Sweden and the United Kingdom). While the online survey, publicized through Jewish community organizations and media outlets, did not have a random sample of respondents, it was designed with expert input to be as representative as possible.
A few findings:
- Two-thirds of respondents said that anti-Semitism was a serious problem in their country; three out of four felt it had worsened in the past five years.
- One in four said they had personally experienced anti-Jewish harassment in the past twelve months; while this included verbal attacks on the Internet, almost one in five had been harassed in person.
- During the same period, three percent said they had been targets of anti-Semitic vandalism; four percent reported hate-motivated physical assaults or threats.
- Nearly half worried about anti-Jewish harassment or violence; two-thirds of those with school-age children or grandchildren were concerned that the children might experience such harassment at school or on the way to school.
- Close to a quarter said they sometimes refrained from visiting Jewish events or sites out of safety concerns. Nearly two out of five usually avoided public displays of Jewish identity such as wearing a Star of David.
- Almost one in three had considered emigrating because they did not feel safe as Jews.
Even if the self-selected the pool of respondents was skewed toward those affected by or strongly concerned about anti-Semitism, these are still disturbing results.
The survey also reveals some interesting—and not entirely surprising—facts about the face of anti-Jewish bigotry in 21st Century Europe. Most of those who reported anti-Semitic harassment identified the culprit or culprits as having either "Muslim extremist views" (27 percent) or left-wing political views (22 percent); only 19 percent said it came from someone with right-wing beliefs.
This tendency is even stronger for anti-Semitic hate speech, from Holocaust denial to claims that the Jews "exploit Holocaust victimhood" or have too much power. (The exceptions are Latvia and Hungary, where anti-Semitism is more likely to be of the traditional far-right variety.) Among Western European Jews who reported encountering such slurs in the past year, 57 percent had seen or heard them from left-wingers; 54 percent, from Muslim extremists; 37 percent, from right-wingers; 18 percent, from Christian extremists. Moreover, the most common anti-Jewish comment reported in the survey was that Israelis act "like Nazis" toward the Palestinians—rhetoric European institutions have repeatedly condemned as anti-Semitic.
Of course criticism of Israeli policies does not equal anti-Semitism: All states are fallible, and the state of Israel is locked in an excruciatingly complex conflict with the Palestinians in which there is very real suffering on both sides. Yet the Israelis-as-Nazis metaphor is a stark illustration of how far such criticism has gone beyond the pale. Such analogies do not get thrown at states with far worse human rights records, such as China or Russia; even South Africa's racist apartheid regime, however reviled, was not routinely attacked as Nazi-like. The Israelis are singled out for this comparison precisely as Jews—the primary targets of Nazi genocide—who have supposedly traded places with their murderers. If this is not anti-Semitism, what is?
Yet such parallels are creeping into mainstream left-wing discourse, even in the United States. The new book, Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel by Max Blumenthal, heavily promoted by The Nation—the leading magazine of the American left—features such chapter titles as "The Concentration Camp" and "The Night of Broken Glass." (Even Nation columnist Eric Alterman, himself a vocal critic of Israel, has slammed Goliath for, among other things, the "implicit equation of Israel with Nazis.")
There are even more striking examples of the fusion between Israel-bashing and Jew-bashing. A 2011 tract called The Wandering Who? by Israeli-born British musician and self-styled "self-hating Jew" Gilad Atzmon not only asserts that Israel is "far worse than Nazi Germany" but suggests that historical anti-Semitism in Europe must have been the Jews' fault. Atzmon brags about getting suspended from school as a child for asking the teacher how she knew that Jews didn't really murder Christian babies for ritual use of their blood. He also blames American Jews in the 1930s for provoking Hitler by calling for a boycott of German goods.
While some anti-Zionist leftists and pro-Palestinian activists denounced Atzmon's book, it received a disturbing amount of praise—including a blurb from University of Chicago professor John Mearsheimer, co-author of the controversial book The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy. A major British newspaper, The Guardian, carried The Wandering Who? in its online bookshop before pulling it in response to criticism.
In this toxic climate, the lines between "new" and "old" anti-Semitism keep getting more and more blurred. Last year, veteran Norwegian academic Johan Galtung, the founder of "peace studies" and a distinguished professor at the University of Hawaii, came under fire for some eyebrow-raising statements. Among other things, Galtung had described the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a 1903 hoax "documenting" a Jewish world domination plot, as a useful tool for understanding the modern world; he had also made outlandish claims about Jewish control of the American media, apparently drawn from neo-Nazi guru William Luther Pierce.
Sympathy for the Palestinians, who are seen as Third World victims of pro-Western colonialists, has led many on the left to condone anti-Jewish attitudes presumably driven by anger at Israeli oppression. Take Alterman, the anti-Goliath polemicist, who in a recent blogpost writes that he himself has often been attacked and tarred with the anti-Semitism brush by Israel sympathizers. I am one of those polemicists, and I regretfully admit that in a 2005 column I made some inappropriate comments about Jewish self-hatred. Yet there remains the fact that Alterman has written off anti-Jewish violence by young Arab immigrants in France as a backlash against the Israeli occupation of the West Bank (rather than real anti-Semitism) and defended a British Muslim group's decision to boycott a Holocaust remembrance event. Whatever the motive, such excuses effectively amount to enabling anti-Semitism. And as long as such enabling continues, the problem will keep getting worse.
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Fuck Europe.
seconded
Blunt but correct.
Europeans hate Jews. To whom is this news?
Yes, blame Europeans for anti-Semitism that is mostly fomented by Muslim immigrants. Yet the libertarian answer is more immigration!
granite state destroyer|11.19.13 @ 5:53AM|#
"Yes, blame Europeans for anti-Semitism that is mostly fomented by Muslim immigrants."
Cite missing.
"Yet the libertarian answer is more immigration!"
False equivalence.
Batting a thousand there, gsd.
On the one hand...
While Israel's supporters have long warned of a new strain of anti-Semitism camouflaged in pro-Palestinian advocacy and opposition to Israeli policies, Israel's critics complain that charges of anti-Jewish bigotry are used to silence dissent.
What's why the left was so happy to have the Palestinian cause. They finally found a new home after WWII.
You know who else was antisemitic? And European to boot?
My Great Uncle Khristos?
Joseph Stalin?
Borat?
The Borat character was "from" Kazakhstan, so asian, not european.
In the old days, he would have been called Eurasian.
Richard Wagner?
You know who else- Oh, wait, someone already did that.
First?
Whenever I read about crazy stuff like this, in the back of my mind, I always wonder, "Wouldn't it have been nuts if they're actually right!"
Like, what if there really was an actual upswing in malevolent witchcraft during the Middle Ages, and the church was totally justified in launching the Inquisition, which saved the world from a fate worse than death?
What if the Jews really are plotting world domination, and laughing at all of us who would write off such paranoid nonsense, and only some brave Muslim and Aryan extremists see the truth?
That's be a much more interesting world than this one of mundane bigotry and racism.
It does have the feel of some fantasy story where the difference between good and evil is very stark and all the players easy to assign to one side or the other. The lord of the rings kind of stuff.
But those stories are written mostly for children and adolescents, the same mental level as the muslim and aryan extremists. I guess that is how the world appears to them.
Maybe Suthenboy is seeing this wrong--
Like, what if there really was an actual uprising by witches and practitioners of the old faiths during the Middle Ages, and they and the church duked it out in a fantastical magical war for the future of mankind whose only historical remnant is records of the Inquisition?
What if the Jews really are the Chosen People of God, and they have been clandestinely provoking this war so they might reclaim their primacy in His sight, and only some brave Muslim and Aryan extremists see the truth?
And what if this war is still going on?
Not black and white anymore.
Hell, it might make a good TV series--one in which either side can be rooted for because there's no clear 'good guy'.
"While Israel's supporters have long warned of a new strain of anti-Semitism camouflaged in pro-Palestinian advocacy and opposition to Israeli policies, Israel's critics complain that charges of anti-Jewish bigotry are used to silence dissent."
On the one hand...on the other hand, and no one is sure what they have to do with each other.
I think I've seen this pattern from Ms. Young before.
"Yet the Israelis-as-Nazis metaphor is a stark illustration of how far such criticism has gone beyond the pale....The Israelis are singled out for this comparison precisely as Jews?the primary targets of Nazi genocide?who have supposedly traded places with their murderers. If this is not anti-Semitism, what is?"
Some people may single out Israel for such criticism because it seems to be especially hypocritical--Israel's critics could be emphasizing the hypocrisy.
I'm not saying this tactic isn't anti-Semitic in every case, but I can see how some people might use the analogy to emphasize Israel's hypocrisy--maybe without being anti-Semitic.
For example, if someone were to point out that the Pilgrims were religiously intolerant, that wouldn't necessarily be a racist or bigoted attack against their religion. It might simply be pointing out their hypocrisy--didn't they come to the New World in order to escape religious intolerance?
By the way, I used to see this same sort of thinking directed at anti-Bush and anti-Obama protestors--as if comparing either one of them to the Nazis was somehow beyond the pale.
While it's certainly true that the holocaust was the very worst thing the Nazis ever did, it wasn't the only rotten thing they ever did. For instance, the Nazis used the spectacular catastrophe of the Reichstag Fire as a pretense to suspend civil liberties.
If an American president were to complain about being compared to the Nazis--after using a spectacular tragedy like the World Trade Center bombing as a pretense to attack our constitutional rights--then I would say that if he doesn't like being compared to the Nazis, he should stop acting like a Nazi.
Again, such comparisons could be anti-Semitic, but not necessarily so.
Isn't the difference that the Reichstag fire was set by Nazis and blamed on Jews/Communists, while 9/11 was done by Islamist fascists who want to spread the caliphate across (at a minimum) the Mid-East and North Africa?
It is unclear whether Marinus van der Lubbe was acting alone, but he said why he did it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....hstag_fire
The point is that there are lots of things the Nazis did that were bad, and using a spectacular tragedy to justify suspending civil rights is one example.
Try this as thought experiment...
Imagine a president comes to power in the United States. Imagine he advocates every single, same policy as the Nazis did--except for the holocaust.
Is it okay to compare him to the Nazis? I've heard a lot of people tell me that doing so trivializes the holocaust. That somehow we're not supposed to compare the behavior of our presidents to the Nazis--because it's effectively anti-Semitic.
Now imagine that this president I was talking about wears the same uniform Hitler did, and he has the same mustache. Imagine that everyone in his party wears the same uniforms the Nazis did. Imagine they all wear swastika arm-bands like the Nazis did...
Is somebody going to tell me that it's anti-Semitic to compare them to the Nazis--if neither this tooth-brush mustachioed president nor anyone in his party ever says anything anti-Semitic?
My point is that if people, who are acting like Nazis, don't like to be called out by me for acting like Nazis, then they should stop acting like Nazis. ...even if their Nazi behavior falls short of advocating for the holocaust.
The point is that there are lots of things the Nazis did that were bad
How perceptive of you to notice.
A lot of people don't notice!
They seem to think the Nazis only did one bad thing.
I agree with you about calling a Nazi a Nazi, even if he's not running ovens or invading Poland, just think the Reichstag fire and 9/11 comparisons are part of the fever dreams of the left, ymmv.
I think they typical statist doesn't deserve a nazi label unless they start saying we gotta get rid of/lock up people who disagree with them - then it's amply justified and there are plenty in the modern left who fit the bill. May be a few on the right who say the same thing, but I think they are more marginalized.
Anybody who wants the government to violate people's individual rights and force them to make sacrifices for the "common good" should also be fair game.
Anybody who wants the government to violate people's individual rights and force them to make sacrifices for the "common good" should also be fair game.
Except that isn't at all unique to Nazi ideology. The comparison loses all its gravity when you throw it around all the time.
"just think the Reichstag fire and 9/11 comparisons are part of the fever dreams of the left"
From where I'm standing, they're still assaulting our rights over 9/11.
It was bad enough when they were denying American citizens a trial--much less a lawyer; nowadays they're using 9/11 to justify completely ignoring the 4th Amendment.
I was making that analogy when Bush was in office; I can make the same analogy in regards to Obama. To whatever extent they use 9/11 as a justification for ignoring our constitutional rights, they're acting like Nazis.
Sorry, Dudes Dudettes and Dudesses? I must now Hold Mine Own Sacred Nose WAY high in the air, and announce to y'all? It has occurred to Me, that Y'ALL is ALL like Hitler himself, and Y'ALL, and must I repeat Myself, you-ALL, y'all sound JUST like Hitler, who breathed oxygen, JUST like YOU!!! So you R just like Hilter, not gonna listen to ya no moah, No Sirree?
For example, if someone were to point out that the Pilgrims were religiously intolerant, that wouldn't necessarily be a racist or bigoted attack against their religion. It might simply be pointing out their hypocrisy...
Of course, the pilgrims were not an ethnic group in addition to a religious one, and were never subjected to genocide for either their beliefs or their race. So there is no analogous method of "pointing out that the pilgrims were religiously intolerant" by way of a comparison that marginalizes their nearly having been exterminated from the face of the planet by racist genocidal maniacs.
But other than that though, that's a totally perfect analogy. Cogent.
Though it may not be a "genocide", so to speak, it was sure as shit a sort of pogrom against pilgrims. They did flee for their fucking lives and had to sail to upper buttfuck and murder, enslave, and kick out a bunch of Indians just to have a place to be left alone. Sounds sort of like Palestine, really.
And part of the reason the ethnicity or religion question exists in the first place is because Judaism is non-inclusive and non-assimilating. It's their whole point. And while it's a great mechanism for keeping a culture alive, it also is going to get you singled out when you live in religiously/ethnically charged nationalist/statist assimilation freak territory like most of Europe.
And the ethnicity vs. religion thing is kind of an arbitrary distinction to those sects and peoples the Europeans succeeded in pretty much wiping out like the Cathars and Arian christians.
"There is no analogous method of "pointing out that the pilgrims were religiously intolerant" by way of a comparison that marginalizes their nearly having been exterminated from the face of the planet by racist genocidal maniacs."
I wasn't making a comparison between the behavior of Israel and the behavior of the Puritans. I was pointing out the possibility that someone might be able to mention the apparent hypocrisy of Pilgrims without being bigoted--just like someone could possibly point out the hypocrisy of Israel without being anti-Semitic.
For some people who feel like they've been victimized, pointing out what they perceive as hypocrisy is the purpose of comparing their own treatment to the treatment of Jews.
I wasn't thinking of the treatment of Indians by the Puritans and comparing that to the treatment of Jews by the Nazis, either. I was thinking of the way the Puritans inflicted their own religion on non-Puritans--Anglicans, Quakers, and Baptists. The Pilgrims came to the New World to escape religious intolerance, and yet they were intolerant toward people of other religions themselves.
If the victims of Puritan intolerance pointed out that hypocrisy, that wouldn't necessarily make them bigots. And if there are Palestinians out there who feel like they're being herded together and walled in, then I'm not sure pointing out Israel's apparent hypocrisy on that point is necessarily anti-Semitic.
Didn't Mila Kunis' family move here because of anti-Semitism in the Ukraine?
Bonus irony - the pic I linked to was from a German website.
Proof that every cloud has a silver lining.
I don't know. Have you ever seen her without make up?
http://ca.eonline.com/photos/6.....eup/239891
Halloween was last month.
The Ukrainians where the biggest Nazi collaborators during World War II. This is a fact.
On The Road To Mandalay|11.18.13 @ 5:09PM|#
"The Ukrainians where the biggest Nazi collaborators during World War II. This is a fact."
I'm gonna need a cite for that.
Admittedly, they hated Stalin and initially saw the Nazis as liberators, but the Nazis pretty rapidly disabused them of that opinion by killing them masses.
I'm not sure where you got your information that the Nazis killed the Ukrainians en masse. Stalin sure did during the 1930s but they were some of the closest collaborators of the Nazis throughout the war. As were the Arrow Cross people in Hungary, The Iron Guard in Rumania, The Hlinka Guard in Slovakia, and a host of other pro-Nazi Movements in several other countries. Check it out for yourself
"Check it out for yourself"
Fail.
I have 'checked it out'. You made the claim; cite or admit you're making things up.
Your choice.
So what if they were? Let's judge people caught between Hitler and Stalin in the worst festering anus of a place to be in human history...especially when they thought maybe there was a chance in Hell they could have their own nationalist puppet government instead of being part of Stalin's Socialist Murder Blob.
The Ukrainians who worked with Hitler? They were the ones who weren't part of the 5 million slavs who were worked to death, starved, shot, ect.
or I should say they weren't -the first- to be worked to death, starved, and shot...
I just love people getting righteously indignant about the worst horrors in history when they'd be doing the exact same shit. Those who couldn't make it out in time to go starve and freeze in some hidey-hole in the hills would be offering to blow SS guys (or Commissars and NKVD guys) three at a time just for the ability to live for another day and handful of grain...or we'd BE the SS and NKVD guys.
I'm not sure where you got your information that the Nazis killed the Ukrainians en masse.
History books mostly. According to the "Apparatus of Death" in the time-life series on the Nazis, up to 4 million Ukrainian non-combatants were killed. 900,000 or so of them were Jewish.
Most were pack animals for the Nazi war machine, who grew all the food but didn't get fed themselves. I'm sure once the Soviets retook the area there was plenty of "collaborators" who were shot and hauled off to the gulag too.
"History books mostly."
"Bloodlands" ( http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb.....ands&ajr=2 )
Not an easy read, but unblinking look at mass murderers in action.
Real or imagined? Everybody always claims some horror story to make getting their visa easier.
You have to look at her face to notice the difference.
You don't need Europe for anti-semitism. Have you been to Zero Hedge lately? That place is a sewer.
(Or maybe I've just been brainwashed by the Jewish lizard people who run the central banks of the West!)
No you haven't. Love the articles at ZH, but commenter threads are like a klan/Occupy WS mash-up.
TD now highlights his no-racial animus claus (not that Jews are a race) but never enforces it from what I've seen. Prefer to see the short sellers are honest about their opinions though
I quit reading after this "did not have a random sample of respondents"
I skimmed after that, but yes, what a red flag!
It's not even objective measurements, such as number of defaced cemeteries and synagogues. It's strictly subjective memories, "I was harassed once in the last year and it's getting worse." Just as we don't remember the bad oldies, everything recent is sharper in our memories. This is a bad, bad survey. It's not even a survey. It's garbage.
As for why people might dis Israel more than China or Russia, it's because people expect better from Israel. They keep shooting themselves in the foot, like the recent decision to build new settlements in the 1967-conquered territories, which is not only strictly against international law, but a really lame thing to do during peace talks with the Palestinians.
Israel used to have a reputation as an incredibly plucky band of survivors struggling against some of the most evil and unlikeable people in the world. Now they just come off as incompetent bullies, letting the Palestinians make them look like the bad guys who lock up the Gaza strip.
Israel used to have a reputation as an incredibly plucky band of survivors struggling against some of the most evil and unlikeable people in the world.
Until they won. Now they need to give back what they took during the war against those evil, unlikeable people. Just like European and American military victors have always done.
No they just need to do it on their own dime and stop depending on us to subsidize it.
The anti-semitism problem is only exacerbated by the hate speech laws. Treating Jews as a protected and special class has backfired as other groups resent it and vie for their own protection against unwanted criticism. It's a race to the top (or bottom) of the victimhood moral high ground.
I think the fact that most Europeans are scared of Islamists, so they hate Jews thinking that will make the Islamists like them better.
They forget that Islamists hate everyone who is not an Islamist.
It's just that they're just ok with being eaten last.
Maybe Jews being very involved in the attempts to force immigration from the third world onto the indigenous population has something to do with it.
MarkinLA|11.18.13 @ 9:44PM|#
"Maybe Jews being very involved in the attempts to force immigration from the third world onto the indigenous population has something to do with it."
Maybe you've been reading fantasy.
Fantasy like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
youtube by whacko as evidence?
Fail.
No, they aren't scared.
Europeans see Islam the same way we see Mexicans - sharing something of a common culture. Different, one they were in conflict with at times, but shared.
So they overlook the extremists the same way people in the US does to Mexican extremists, like La Raza. Thankfully the Mexican ones are just leftist and corrupt, not bat guano crazy, like Islamists.
While there may very well be rising anti-Semitism in Europe, this survey doesn't sound very convincing. Self-reported surveys are always suspect, IMO. European Jews may feel like they are being targeted, but are they more so than other groups? Just as one example, how much anti-Semitic vandalism is actually anti-Semitic, and how much is vandalism that just happens to fall on Jews, who then automatically interpret it as anti-Semitic?
The evidence of growing Jew-hatred (so-called antisemitism) in Europe is so massive and widespread, that to not acknowledge it you'd have to be either ignorant of the conditions in Europe, or be willfully unable or unwilling to see it.
Good article. I object only to your spelling of the word antisemitism. "Anti-Semitism" implies that there is such a thing as Semitism, which there is not. That implication that there is, is what allows Arab Muslim antisemites to say, as they often do, that "It is impossible for us to be Anti-Semites because we are Semites." But in truth, the word antisemitism was coined by European Jew-haters (haters of Jews) to put a pseudo-scientific gloss on their bigoted hatred of Jews, and it has always meant Jew-hatred, never hatred of or opposition to Semites. Accordingly, if you can't bring yourselves to call it what it really is, Jew-hatred, at least spell the terms antisemitism, antisemitic, and antisemites, not anti-Semitism, anti-Semitic, and anti-Semites.
It's a race to the top (or bottom) of the victimhood moral high ground.
^That
There's a good reason for antisemitism. Just look at the Talmud.
"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
- Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b
"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form."
- Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
"The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
- Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."
- Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."
- Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."
- Talmud Sanhedrin 74b
"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."
- Sepher ikkarim III c 25
"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."
- Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."
- Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."
- Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
What Neo-Nazi militia are you with?
Every single one of those Talmud "quotes" are hoaxes.
hth
Heroic Mulatto|11.18.13 @ 5:09PM|#
"Every single one of those Talmud "quotes" are hoaxes."
Next you're going to tell him/her that the "Protocols..." aren't real!
I know.
So you posted stuff you knew was a lie because...?
...because some people will believe anything.
Well, Old Man, I am here to tell you that some pepples WIIL believe ANYTHING that you tell them, if ONLY you put it in the words of the Sacred Scriptures! AND... A very important caveat here ? AND it is what they want to believe in the first place? I am here to tell you that GOD Himself has commanded Me to kill EVERYONE if we are to take 3 Sacred Biblical verses literally? God, through the Bible, commands us to KILL EVERYONE! Yes, it is true! Follow me through, here:
No one is righteous, not a one (Romans 3:10). Therefore, everyone must have done at least one thing bad, since they'd be righteous, had they never done anything bad. Well, maybe they haven't actually DONE anything bad, maybe they THOUGHT something bad (Matt. 5:28, thoughts can be sins). In any case, they must've broken some commandment, in thinking or acting, then, or else they WOULD be righteous. Then James 2:10 tells us that if one has broken ANY commandment, one has broken them ALL. Now we can't weasel out of this by saying that the New Testament has replaced the Old Testament, because Christ said that he's come to fulfill the old law, not to destroy it (Matt. 5:17). So inexorably, we must draw the conclusion that all are guilty of everything. And the Old Testament lists many, many capital offenses! There's working on Sunday. There's also making sacrifices to, or worshipping, the wrong God (Exodus 22:20, Deut. 17:2-5), or even showing contempt for the Lord's priests or judges (Deut. 17:12). All are guilty of everything, including the capital offenses. OK, so now we're finally there... God's Word COMMANDS us such that we've got to kill EVERYBODY!!!
You're impeccable was pretty convincing, but your liberal use of CAPITALIZATION is what really sealed the deal.
^impeccable logic
I got it but who was the ALL CAPS guy who used to post here?
Always amusing.
Before my time probably
HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINEM!
THANKS! HERCULE!
You sir have missed the spirit of scripture by hyper-focusing on the literal. You are not to be taken seriously.
wadair|11.19.13 @ 12:10AM|#
"You sir have missed the spirit of scripture"...
Yeah, the 'spirit' is whatever the current bleever claims it is.
Fantasyland.
You missed my point.
wadair|11.19.13 @ 2:39AM|#
"You missed my point."
Well, what is it?
For example, take the first "quote", if you actually look at the Talmud (And here's an English translation in .pdf format - skip to page 78 for the section in question) you'll see the section talks about the morality of borrowing, that is if you borrow something you are obligated to pay it back. It doesn't mention anything about Jews or non-Jews, much less the humanity of either.
"There's a good reason for antisemitism."
That's like saying there's a good reason to be stupid.
The term Anti-Semitism is very misleading. Prior to the late 19th Century (specifically the 1880s) it was called Anti-Judaism/Anti-Jewish to denote non-Jewish European hatred of Jewish Communities throughout Europe and elsewhere. Meaning all of Europe and not just Germany. This is something that had been going on for more than 2,000 years when the term Anti-Semitism was invented. (Don't forget that Arabs are Semites too.) The forerunners of the Nazi Germans and others begin to use the term to describe Jewish people who looked more "Middle Eastern" as opposed to Nordic or Teutonic. The Jews than begin to be described as a race as well as a religion. It enabled the Nazis in Germany to designate the Jews as a race. And since the Germans hated the Slavic Peoples as well, and already considered them as a race, to label the Jews as a race instead of a religion and a culture reinforced this brand of racism. So, when the term Anti-Semitism came into existence in the 1880s, was also around the same time as the idea of a permanent home for the Jewish people came into existence. Of course the idea was always there since the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE and the Jewish Diaspora.
Tragically, the Holocaust prevented most of the European Jews from going to Israel in 1948.
Europe has universal healthcare, public transportation and education, though. Those things are...... universal there.
Gosh, I don't understand why all those Mexicans and other immigrants don't just move to Europe. They get to live with fellow Jew haters and enjoy all those government services. If you can't afford the plane ticket to Germany, Canada is like right there.
Scratches head
Blanket statement of the night.
Europe is more racist than America.
Good night.
"Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel,"
^ Sarc?
I dunno, sounds pretty sweet to me. Now go make me a sandwich!
One reason for European dislike of/resentment toward Israel may well be that it embodies an ideology, "blood-and-soil" nationalism, that has fallen into disrepute in Europe since 1945 for some unfathomable reason.
Another reason may be dislike of being expected to back Israel no matter what, on pain of being called names and accused of not caring about The Six Million. (BTW, what were the other eight million or so victims of fascism---chopped liver? And why don't we hear anything about the millions gobbled by the Gulags?)
"(BTW, what were the other eight million or so victims of fascism---chopped liver?"
Nope, and no one suggests they were, unless maybe you have a point?
"And why don't we hear anything about the millions gobbled by the Gulags?)"
Who's "we"? I've certainly heard about them and most people have. And I (and others) take pains to point out that Hitler was a piker by comparison.
When haven't the oh so enlightened Europeans "disliked" Jews?
In general, I'm against blood and soil, but when one blood is continually faced with threats of pogroms and extermination, I think they have a reasonable claim for some soil where they can defend their blood from the racist lunatics trying to kill them.
Why don't we hear more about the hundred million or so exterminated by communism? Because those victims clearly discredits the Leftist cheerleaders for communism in the West, so it's off to the Memory Hole for the victims of communism.
I have read and heard a lot of Jewish resentment against Poles, Ukrainians, Belorussians, ect. (Understandable) And the slavs being equally resentful because they had it pretty much as bad. (also understandable) The liquidation of the (christian) Polish Intelligentsia in '39 and '40 numbers in the millions before the Einsatzgruppen even got cooking. So basically, the usual Balkanized European tit-for-tat grudge holding.
As far as the other millions, it's not a matter of history as much as historiography. The Nazi holocaust on the Jews tends to be viewed as a singularity. I understand this view within Jewish History and Culture, but viewed from a distance it was part of the bigger picture of Lebensraum. The eastern Slavs, Gypsies, and everyone else who weren't part of the plan were just as much under the gun. The eastern front was an all around race war.
"but viewed from a distance it was part of the bigger picture of Lebensraum."
Yeah, the French Jews were taking up space in the east, right?
"The Israelis are singled out for this comparison precisely as Jews?the primary targets of Nazi genocide?who have supposedly traded places with their murderers. If this is not anti-Semitism, what is?"
That's not anti-Semitism. Jews are singled out for this false equivalency because as victims of the Nazis, people hope that they'd be especially alert for any abuse of start power they might engage in.
No one calls Putin a Nazi because he'd consider it a compliment.
The European countries have ignored history and the way of the Muslim! They allowed millions of Muslims to migrate to their countries from Africa Asia as well as the Mideast. The difficulties they find themselves in now is driving their foreign-policy down a very dangerous road. They have allowed the Islamic's to take control of their largest cities they have allowed the Islamics to impose their will. The Islamic's will claim they are doing Allah's will. That is such a foolish statement the Muslim of today feel they are entitled to rape women or children many of them even animals and that way they are following the prophet Mohammed.
Europe is at the mercy of the Muslim which will be their own destruction as they turned their backs upon the Jews of the world and the Jews in Israel. Damn them all to hell
I often say that a lot of people hate Jews because they envy them. It's like how liberals love to hate Reagan: it's because under his watch the Cold War ended and the recovery was so strong. Regardless of what the effects of Reagan's policies were, you can't deny things got better, in general. Liberals can't stand it. People sub-consciously hate Jews because they are jealous of them.
They hate Richard Feynman because he learned how to get women.