North Korea

The Korean War is Not Over: North Korea Declares Armistice Null, United Nations Disagrees

Sixty years of armistice not going anywhere too soon

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North Korea's at it again, declaring last week that the Korean War armistice was over and shutting down its hot line to South Korea and the two countries' shared border point. The United Nations stepped in today and said, no, the armistice isn't over. It's not the first time that North Korea's declared the armistice null and void. It did so for the first time in 1994, just a few months before the death of Kim Il-Sung, North Korea's totalitarian leader since the country's inception, and then again in 1996, 2003 (the same year it withdrew from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty), 2006, and 2009. The latest declaration comes after a series of missile tests and just a few days before North Korea reiterated its threat to launch a nuclear strike against the U.S. (No, it can't, according the White House). Now the United States and South Korea are pushing for tougher scrutiny from the U.N. of North Korea's human rights record (easily the worst in the world).

North Korea itself is the product of the post-war UN-backed occupation of the Korean peninsula (the USSR administered the North, the U.S. the South). Elections to be held on the peninsula in 1948 never materialized, and the USSR helped Kim Sung-Il establish a communist government based out of Pyongyang. In 1950, the North invaded the South.  The United Nations Security Council authorized a UN force (backed primarily by the United States) to repel the North Korean attack—the Soviet Union, which could've vetoed the resolution, was boycotting the Security Council over the UN's recognition of the Kuomingtang government (Taiwan) as the holder of China's seat and not the communists who had taken over mainland China a year earlier. Three years later, the armistice was signed between U.S. Lt. General William Harrison (on behalf of the United Nations Command) and North Korean General Nam Il, with a border not too far from the 38th parallel that divided the peninsula before the war. The armistice established a ceasefire, a protocol for the return of prisoners of war (naturally, many North Korean and Chinese POWs did not want to be repatriated to their homelands), and for talks among the "countries concerned" (the two Koreas, the US, the USSR, China, the UN) that would lead to a "peaceful settlement of the Korean question."

The armistice will turn 60 this summer, with no sign of any settlement of "the Korean question." Instead, North Korea is determined to acquire nuclear weapons capabilities, and South Korea is getting there.  

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  1. That dude seems to know whats going on over there.

    http://www.EliteAnon.tk

    1. Best, and most easily ridiculed, Anonbot handle yet.

  2. Returning to an active war would mean tens of thousands of South Koreans would die.

    There would be an initial success for the North, but they would be defeated in the end (the Chinese would not be there to save their asses this time.)

    I just hope the regime in North Korea realizes that.

    1. For all the talk about how close China and the Norks are, people seem to forget that China has even more economic integration and cooperation with South Korea. SK even diplomatically divorced Taiwan when they jumped in bed with China back in the early 90s.

      China will NOT tolerate North Korea doing anything to South Korea. Not only do they not want to sever economic and diplomatic ties with a rising trade partner, but they don’t want an increased US military presence in their backyard either.

      1. Which is why we should bring our troops home and tell China to deal with it.

        1. ‘Which is why we should bring our troops home and tell China, Japan and So. Korea to deal with it.’

          Some addition, but YES!

        2. How do you say “Don’t throw me in that br’er patch” in Chinese? Not sure JPN or KOR would find pleasant the manner in which PRC deals with it.

          The Politburo would cream their little jocks if we did that. If anything we need to interest PHL in reintroducing our military base relationship. That would piss the PRC off.

          1. How do you say “Don’t throw me in that br’er patch” in Chinese?

            ?????!

  3. Korean kids are raised to believe that there’s only one Korea and that they’ll be reunited soonish. The older Koreans seem to worry that the disconnect will become permanent as the generations that remember they have family on the other side of the border die off.

  4. Apart from getting themselves obliterated, and possibly nuked, what the fuck do the North Koreans expect to achieve with this crap?

    1. Lil Kim is a spoiled brat dictator. Imagine the worst spoiled brat possible, but with a huge standing army, an entire nation of people completely under his total rule, and throw in some nuclear weapons.

      It’s all about attention. When he’s not getting enough, he screams as loudly as possible to get some more attention. That is all that it is.

      Lil Kim don’t want to get incinerated, he just wants attention, and probably is well aware of just how far to push it.

      1. And his generals our probably scared shitless to tell him that he’s not all that.

        1. Actually, I think he’s scared shitless of his generals and senior party officials.

          This seems like the sort of saber-rattling a dictator does when he’s afraid of a coup. Pander to the generals, show the party hardliners your nationalistic fevor and try to bring them to heel.

        2. It’s hard to be scared of someone you saw in diapers, until he earns that fear. KJU needs to earn it like his dad did.

          1. The citizens of Rome in the reign of Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus aka Caligula beg to differ.

            1. Let me know when KJU fucks a wild boar in the coliseum.

    2. Table scraps, I suppose. The USG could use one of those drones to kill Kim Jong Un at a staff meeting rather than using it at a wedding party in Afghanistan. But I don’t work for the State Department, for obvious reasons.

    3. Apart from getting themselves obliterated, and possibly nuked, what the fuck do the North Koreans expect to achieve with this crap?

      Almost all of the North Koreans are focused on getting food to eat and not running afoul of the government.

      So, the correct question is, what does Kim Jong-Un expect to achieve?

      My guess is to keep the populace in fear, so they will more readily turn to the newest Dear Leader for protection, thus consolidating his at least a little shaky hold on power.

  5. We should call their bluff and push north. If there’s a country begging to have “democracy” forcibly shoved down its throats its the NK.

    1. Agammamon| 3.11.13 @ 7:50PM |#
      “We should call their bluff and push north.”

      “We”, white man?

    2. I doubt the NK’s are interested in democracy. They probably just want to plant a soy bean seed in the soil, water it from time to time, and harvest it to eat when its grown. Voting for Barack Obama or Mitt Romney is the furthest thing from their minds.

      1. Voting for Barack Obama or Mitt Romney is the furthest thing from their minds.

        Wait. You mean libertarians have been North Koreans all along?

  6. The RoK should just renew hostilities and wipe them off the face of the Earth.

    It’s been over 60 years. Enough is enough, honestly.

    1. They could, but at the cost of several million Koreans.

      I think a wait strategy is still best. You know, one without nuclear exchange.

      1. If the South Koreans struck first on the artillery overlooking Seoul and crippled the NK’s communications, there wouldn’t be nearly as many civilian casualties.

        Then the South could just roll through at their leisure. The South Korean Army and Marines are at least as advanced as our own. The North Korean military is shittier than the Iraqi’s we cut through like butter.

    2. Or they could wait for NK’s government to implode of its own accord, and not have millions of SK citizens die.

      1. I don’t think it is going to implode anytime soon, but if the people become desperate enough, not even the guns and the secret police will save Kim and his cadre.

        1. When it begins imploding, the North may start lashing out – that is the danger.

  7. This sort of interests me because my wife came to me last night, after having watched international news, and said ‘hey, North Korea said they’re going to hit the USA with a nuclear missle!, What if they hit DC, it’s close, we could die!’

    I took another drink from my beer and said ‘it’s more likely we are going to die from being invaded by aliens tomorrow’.

    You know, I am a big supporter of the NAP, anyone here that knows me, knows that. I don’t have much tolerance for war mongers.

    That being said. If I thought the NORKs were even thinking about hitting the US with a nuclear warhead, then as much as I regret it, if I were POTUS, I would just tell them now, upfront, look, try that shit, and there won’t be anything living inside your country, including you, in less than an hour. And even if you have a bunker deep enough to survive, I’m coming to dig your ass up, don’t doubt it for a second. Nuff said.

    1. I’m pretty sure, even if the Norks did decide to go kamikaze, you’d be safe in DC. Living in LA, I might not be (though I think this scenario is extremely unlikely)

      1. I don’t think NK has a rocket capable of hitting even Honolulu with a nuke, much less LA.

        1. True, but I’m assuming in this crazy hypothetical, that if the Norks were going to try this that they’d have developed something by that time that was capable of hitting something besides maybe the edge of Alaska

      2. I remember seeing an old nuclear threat assessment map from the end of the Cold War. We would be so screwed in LA under any of the potential assessments.

  8. I think a wait strategy is still best.

    That doesn’t square with Christianity, a popular faith among Koreans. A Christian does not idly sit by while his fellow man is unjustly persecuted, once was enough. NK is engaged in Holocaust level inhumanity. I submit that the USG could kill Kim Jong Un at will without a war, battle, or skirmish. But we’re just eurotrash, not citizens of a shining city on a hill. Oh by jingo.

    1. I don’t really care how it squares with any religion. True morality is not decided by that. Not in my philosophy. We’re Libertarians here, not Theocrats.

      1. We’re Libertarians here, not Theocrats.

        I’m neither.

        1. I see we need another Purity Purge around here.

    2. A Christian does not idly sit by while his fellow man is unjustly persecuted

      Tell that to the martyrs of the early church. I don’t recall any Christian armed rebellions against Rome during the persecutions.

      1. I don’t recall any Christian armed rebellions against Rome during the persecutions.

        You might right Tulpa, fuck if I know. Please play poker with me.

        1. What’s the buy-in, twenty bucks and my sanity?

      2. I don’t think “turn the other cheek” and “carry the soldier’s gear an extra mile” means what widget thinks it does.

        Christianity is about non-violence, at least the New Testament part of it, certainly not pre-emptive war.

        1. They were non-violent until they got the whip hand.

          1. Or maybe violent people didn’t become Christians until there was a worldly advantage to doing so.

        2. “Christianity is about non-violence.”

          Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord:
          He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
          He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
          His truth is marching on.

          not always.

          1. Jesus wasn’t a Christian, so the same rules don’t apply to him.

  9. The ROK can’t afford reunification, one of the many reasons neither the government nor the people is pushing for it.

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