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Policy

Social Security Trust Fund a Tad Rockier Than Believed

J.D. Tuccille | 2.7.2013 1:48 PM

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With the certainty of a Hollywood doomsday asteroid, we know that the financial day of reckoning for Social Security approaches. But whereas giant rocks from space loom ever closer at a steady pace until Bruce Willis drops by to blast them to smithereens, Social Security's demise seems to be accelerating. At least, that's what Investor's Business Daily tells us after running the numbers.

Social Security's financial outlook took another hit this week, as the Congressional Budget Office hiked its estimate for cash deficits from 2013 to 2022 by $212 billion.

The wider deficits — mainly due to weaker revenue estimates — mean a quicker depletion of Social Security's trust fund, after which the program could only afford to pay about 75% of benefits.

Last year, IBD was on the money in predicting, based on CBO's 10-year outlook, that the Social Security Administration would move up the trust fund exhaustion date to 2033 from 2036. Now IBD finds that CBO's fresh estimates point to the trust fund running dry in 2031, though the retirement program's actuaries don't rely on CBO data.

The CBO's latest figures are here (PDF), by the way. You'll notice that the numbers show the Disability Insurance trust fund running out in 2016, though the document assumes that benefits will continue to be paid in full. That's because the law requires the CBO to make that assumption.

But, of course, pay no attention. There's nothing to see here.

Note: As pointed out in the comments, there is no Social Security trust fund, in reality. However, using the government's own phony-baloney assumptions, matters look not so good.

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  1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

    The wider deficits ? mainly due to weaker revenue estimates ? mean a quicker depletion of Social Security's trust fund, after which the program could only afford to pay about 75% of benefits.

    Why do people insist on continuing to push this lie. There is no trust fund! The money goes from your paycheck to some old fart's SS check.

    1. Certified Public Asskicker   12 years ago

      And then that old fart saves it, right?

    2. AlexInCT   12 years ago

      BUT DA IOUs!!!!!1!!eleventy!!

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        Lloyd: Listen, Mr. Samsonite, about the briefcase, my friend Harry and I have every intention of fully reimbursing you.
        Nicholas Andre: Open it up. Open it up!
        Lloyd: [Motioning to Mary] Go ahead, open it up. Do what he says. Hurry.
        Nicholas Andre: What is this? What is this? Where's all the money?
        Lloyd: That's as good as money, sir. Those are I.O.U.'s. Go ahead and add it up, every cent's accounted for. Look, see this? That's a car. 275 thou. Might wanna hang onto that one.

    3. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      Speaking of farts, I keep passing gas that smells like cat shit. Seriously. It's not like I've been eating their food or anything, but this is fucking gross. I mean, it's so bad that even I can't stand it. And you know your ass is producing an unnatural stench when even you can't stand the smell of your own farts. Ugh. Toxic fumes. I pity my coworkers.

      1. some guy   12 years ago

        I hope you have your own office. At least then they can force you hot box it...

        1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

          Nope. I'm just a lowly cube dweller.

          *phffft*

          Whoops! There goes another one! S! B! D! Muahahaha!

          1. AlexInCT   12 years ago

            You mean WMDs? What did you eat for lunch? Cat shit?

            1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

              No. I mean SBDs. Click the link. It won't bite.

      2. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

        Somebody in my office smells like a loaded diaper.

      3. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

        Getting old sucks sarc. You have my sympathies.

      4. ChrisO   12 years ago

        Stay away from Chipotle, at all costs.

        1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

          Taco Bell is still OK though, right?

          1. Episiarch   12 years ago

            What about Taco Del Mar?

            1. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

              El Pollo Loco?

              1. Episiarch   12 years ago

                That's my luchador name, asshole!

              2. Corneliusm   12 years ago

                Los Pollos Hermanos?

      5. Anonymous Coward   12 years ago

        Intestinal problems, sarc?

        1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

          Something crawled up my ass and it refuses to die.

  2. Episiarch   12 years ago

    You know, I resent these constant Armageddon references. It's like people consider it to be a real movie and not a complete Michael Bay farce.

    1. some guy   12 years ago

      A rag-tag group of oil drillers nuking an asteroid is more believable than Congress solving our country's unfunded liability problems.

      1. ChrisO   12 years ago

        More likely, too.

    2. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

      Deep Impact was much more believable: Government mostly just makes things worse, decides who lives or dies, and then ultimately just gives up and declares victory when things miraculously go its way.

      Also Frodo marries that dude who played Joan of Arc.

      1. Episiarch   12 years ago

        Leelee Sobieski is not a ma...I give up. I'm too tired.

        1. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

          I Win.

  3. AlexInCT   12 years ago

    By "tad rockier" you mean the shit is about to implode before the end of the next decade, right?

  4. Raston Bot   12 years ago

    However, following rules in the Deficit Control Act of 1985 (section 257(b)), CBO's baseline assumes that the Commissioner will pay DI benefits in full even after the trust fund is exhausted. Given that discrepancy between the trust funds' operation and the baseline's assumption, CBO is not providing DI or combined trust fund totals for the year of exhaustion and thereafter.

    HAHAHAHA that's one hilarious footnote!

  5. Sevo   12 years ago

    That last link is WONDERFUL!
    I guess the whistling lessons worked; strollin' right by that graveyward.

    1. Episiarch   12 years ago

      Can anyone say "Ponzi scheme"?

      1. Sevo   12 years ago

        And the bozos in the link say all we need is a couple more suckers!

      2. db   12 years ago

        No, I'm sobbing too much.

  6. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    Don't worry. Soon as they seize everyone's 401Ks they'll have plenty of money to pay out the benefits.

    1. some guy   12 years ago

      That sounds like a good way to create a "blood in the streets" scenario. People still believe that their SS benefits belong to them. If they aren't willing to give that up, they sure as hell will not give up accounts that are actually in their name.

      1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

        My wife's grandmother refuses to accept the fact that she recouped what she paid into the system long ago and currently taking more than her "fair share" because, you know, the dollar was worth a lot more back then.

        1. some guy   12 years ago

          Well, at least she doesn't claim you owe it to her because she killed Hitler for you...

        2. Skyhawk   12 years ago

          This ignores the fact that the money was taken against her will and she could have earned far more in interest over the years were she allowed to keep and invest that money.
          Granted, she may not have done that and the the investments may not have done well. But that's irrelevant, given the current system.

      2. ChrisO   12 years ago

        Yeah, that's a recipe for people hanging from lampposts in DC.

        A large percentage of Middle America is already stressed out. Stealing the 401Ks might be the tipping point.

        1. Episiarch   12 years ago

          But it's going to happen anyway, mark my words.

          1. some guy   12 years ago

            I can see it happening, but its going to happen through a tax rate ratchet or through the stealth tax, not through an outright seizing. The Top Men know how to get what they want without causing a riot.

        2. sarcasmic   12 years ago

          Yeah, that's a recipe for people hanging from lampposts in DC.

          Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

          The moochers and looters would protect the government class if the producers tried to revolt.

        3. Warty   12 years ago

          You overestimate our countrymen.

      3. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

        But only evil anti-government folk have 401K.

    2. Drake   12 years ago

      They will have to use most of it to fund the civil war and rebuild federal buildings.

      1. Rasilio   12 years ago

        STIMULUS!!!!!!!!!!!

    3. db   12 years ago

      I secretly sabotaged my 401(k) with Solyndra stock, so SCREW YOU YOU'RE NOT MAKING A CANOE OUT OF ME!!!!

  7. Aresen   12 years ago

    Well, Team Blue won't even discuss SS benefit cuts and Team Red has a large part of its demographic receiving SS benefits so I would analyse the US situation thus:

    YOU ARE FUCKED.

    1. Tman   12 years ago

      Listen Moosehead, if WE run out of money who is going to buy all your Canadian stuff?

      China? Russia?

      They hate moose.

      1. some guy   12 years ago

        They also don't like maple syrup or hockey. Canada is boned by association.

      2. Aresen   12 years ago

        The primary reason I care about what happens in the US is that, if you go down the drain, we follow in your wake.

        Otherwise, I could enjoy it the way I enjoy the current farce in Greece.

        1. ChrisO   12 years ago

          Sadly, we're not that amusingly dramatic.

    2. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

      Right up until Congress notices how much money and resources are lying around in Canada. Then y'all will suddenly become jihadist threats to America's security and interests.

      1. Aresen   12 years ago

        ...how much money and resources are lying around in Canada.

        We've already pissed away the money. (our average personal debt as a percent of personal income is higher than that of the US at the 2006 peak.)

        The Chinese have bought up the resources.

        The observation that you are fucked does not mean we aren't.

    3. Episiarch   12 years ago

      It isn't 1812 any more, puckhead.

      1. BuSab Agent   12 years ago

        1812: The Seinfeld War.

  8. Romulus Augustus   12 years ago

    I expect there will still be printing presses in 2031. Should I live that long, I expect my monthly s.s. check will be at least $10,000
    (the AARP will brook no shit) but maybe it won't do more than pay for a couple of Whoppers and small fries.

    1. Way Of The Crane   12 years ago

      I expect there will still be printing presses in 2031. Should I live that long, I expect my monthly s.s. check will be at least $10,000
      (the AARP will brook no shit) but maybe it won't do more than pay for a couple of Whoppers and small fries.

      You think those will still be legal in 2031?

      1. Aresen   12 years ago

        Tofu whoppers.

  9. some guy   12 years ago

    Until relatively recently, these bonds only existed as entries in a record book. However, now when a new bond is issued, it is printed on a laser printer located at the Bureau of the Public Debt's Martinsburg, WV office. The bond is then carried across the room and put in a fireproof filing cabinet. That filing cabinet is the Social Security trust fund.

    Well, at least the filing cabinet is worth something...

    1. ChrisO   12 years ago

      It creates jobs, too.

      1. some guy   12 years ago

        Good point. And in a pinch we could burn the paper for warmth.

        1. NeonCat   12 years ago

          Or use it for toilet paper.

    2. Virginian   12 years ago

      Top. Men.

    3. Dr. Frankenstein   12 years ago

      I see the makings of a caper movie. A criminal band attempts to steal billions in bonds hoping to sell them. Hijinks ensue. At the end of the movie everyone realizes they're worthless IOUs.

      1. Corneliusm   12 years ago

        So, basically Die Hard with a funnier ending?

    4. entropy   12 years ago

      So, whereas before it only existed on paper, now it exists... on paper...

  10. Raston Bot   12 years ago

    When a new bond is issued, it is printed on a laser printer located at the Bureau of the Public Debt's Martinsburg, WV office. The bond is then carried across the room and put in a fireproof filing cabinet. That filing cabinet is the Social Security trust fund.

    http://www.uschamber.com/issue.....-fund-myth

    1. prolefeed   12 years ago

      To sum up: the "SS Trust Fund" consists of a filing cabinet full of IOUs that can only be repaid by stealing money from citizens via taxes, or counterfeiting money by debasing the currency.

      And yet almost everyone thinks there is something real there.

      1. gaijin   12 years ago

        If only they could mint some sort of coin to make all that paper real...

      2. entropy   12 years ago

        Personally I think it's where they burried Jimmy Hoffa.

  11. alan_s   12 years ago

    There's a social security trust fund?

    1. gaijin   12 years ago

      Trust us. Yes there is.

    2. Raston Bot   12 years ago

      yes, and it is a filing cabinet.

    3. JW   12 years ago

      It's filled with the unworthy trust of statist suckers and apologists.

  12. Anonymous Coward   12 years ago

    The CBO's latest figures are here (PDF), by the way. You'll notice that the numbers show the Disability Insurance trust fund running out in 2016, though the document assumes that benefits will continue to be paid in full. That's because the law requires the CBO to make that assumption.

    We need a law that budgets Social Security in unicorn farts. I mean, the law can make fiction into reality, right? Better yet, the law is fully capable of altering the rules of mathematics.

    1. db   12 years ago

      One Unicorn Fart is all you need.

  13. fish   12 years ago

    When a new bond is issued, it is printed on a laser printer located at the Bureau of the Public Debt's Martinsburg, WV office. The bond is then carried across the room and put in a fireproof filing cabinet. That filing cabinet is the Social Security trust fund.

    I HAVE A LASER PRINTER TOO!

    I think you just solved my personal finincial issues!

  14. T o n y   12 years ago

    I'll take advice on the health of Social Security from people who aren't ideologically opposed to the existence of Social Security. Doesn't that sound reasonable?

    1. Spoonman.   12 years ago

      No.

      1. Spoonman.   12 years ago

        Damnit Spoonman., it's TFT.

        1. Sudden   12 years ago

          Y'know Spoonman, you could shame yourself for feeding the troll on TFT, but you didn't feed him much, only threw him the crumb that is "no". You could've mentioned that your own philosophical critiques of SS does not in any way detract from the very real and basic arithmetic of it's unsustainability that is readily apparent to anyone with the most rudimentary understanding of numbers. But you took the high ground, you gave the troll a crumb and let it beg for steak. That is noble, even on TFT.

          I on the other hand would've said:

          "Philosophical criticisms of SS notwithstanding, I am merely the messenger, not the message itself. However, feel free to shoot me, as the sweet release of death is likely more pleasant than the dystopian future staring me in the face."

    2. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

      I'll take advice on the health of Social Security from people who aren't ideologically opposed to the existence of Social Security. Doesn't that sound reasonable?

      Which means that you will take advice concerning SS from those in your echo chamber who are ideologically opposed to people earning their own money and saving for their own retirement.

      1. T o n y   12 years ago

        You left off the second part, which is necessarily implied: or else they can fuck off and starve to death.

        Maybe if people in your ideological echo chamber hadn't advocated for and succeeded at getting economic policies that see almost all of the nation's gains in wealth go to the top fraction of a percent, people would have some slim chance of making enough money to save for retirement.

        Of course there'd still be the problem that people can't accurately predict when they're going to die. Guess that's a crime punishable by destitution as well.

        1. barfman2013   12 years ago

          *barf*

          *barf*

          *baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrffffffff*

        2. Sevo   12 years ago

          T o n y| 2.7.13 @ 4:26PM |#
          "You left off the second part, which is necessarily implied: or else they can fuck off and starve to death."

          Shithead, you left out the part where there's no money.
          Reality is a bitch, isn't it, asshole?

  15. Aresen   12 years ago

    Shopping trips to Bellingham.

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