Hillary Clinton

The Unlikelihood of President Hillary

The public seems to like Hillary a lot better when she's far removed from the presidency.

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The votes have been cast, the count has been completed, and we all know the winner of the presidential election. So now it's just a matter of letting the Electoral College meet to make the outcome official. Then we can get along with planning the inauguration of Hillary Clinton.

True, it's still four years away. But by now it's clear that Republicans needn't bother putting up a nominee. They may as well save their money and candidates for 2024, when Hillary will be ready to leave Washington and become a judge on "The Voice."

The secretary of state is currently more popular than ice cream in August. Matched by Public Policy Polling against a field of other possible contenders for the 2016 Democratic nomination, she got 61 percent among primary voters—well ahead of second-place Joe Biden, with 12 percent. 

Polling analyst Harry Enten of the British newspaper The Guardian says no previous non-incumbent in recent history has reached that level. And each of the ones who came remotely close—Al Gore, Bob Dole and George H.W. Bush—got his party's nomination.

In May, a Gallup survey found that 66 percent of those polled had a favorable opinion of her. Only 29 percent didn't like her. Let's face it, you could probably find that many people who don't like Kermit the Frog.

She has plenty of assets going for her if she decides to run. There are the fond memories of the pacific, profitable 1990s. There is her game willingness to go to work for the guy who beat her in 2008. There is the fact that voters may be ready to make history by electing a woman. She'd also get some campaign assistance from a famous native of Hope, Ark.

But she won't have the smooth, flower-strewn path to the Oval Office that all this suggests. During her husband's presidency, she was widely disliked for her hectoring manner, her more-liberal-than-Bill views and her often chilly personality. Not for nothing was she known in her college days as "Sister Frigidaire."

It's easy to forget that she was the architect of a major health insurance overhaul that ended in crashing failure. It's easy to forget that when the Monica Lewinsky affair broke, she dismissed the allegations as slanders from a "vast right-wing conspiracy" trying to "undo the results of two elections." It's easy to forget that she was the most unpopular first lady on record.

If she enters the race, we would be reminded of the strife and scandal of the Clinton presidency. We would also be reminded that electing Hillary would mean bringing back Bill, with his notorious appetites and unpredictable impulses.

One or two bimbo eruptions could be fatal—and did you see that story the other day that Gennifer Flowers said he tried to renew their trysts?

The public seems to like Hillary a lot better when she's far removed from the presidency. The closer she gets the more distrust she evokes. When she ran in 2008, her popularity sagged. That's how she managed to lose a nomination that most people assumed was hers for the taking.

She is easier for people to take in the role of diplomat than politician. When she lectures dictators at the UN, voters tend to approve. When she lectures audiences in Iowa, they tend to bristle.

Being secretary of state lets her look serious and diligent, which she is, while sparing her from close daily scrutiny. Running for president would put her back under the microscope, where she doesn't look so appealing.

There are other things working against her. One is that it's very hard for a party to win three consecutive presidential elections. Except for 1988, it hasn't happened since Harry Truman's day. The Clinton good times, remember, were not enough to deliver Gore to the White House.

Nor is it clear that Hillary is such a great candidate. Maybe she learned invaluable lessons from the last try. But then, so did Mitt Romney. Alas, the same shortcomings that kept him from getting the nomination that time kept him from winning the election this time.

We had a chance to elect Hillary president in 2008, in a year made to order for her, and it didn't come to pass. Don't be surprised if it never does.

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  1. We would also be reminded that electing Hillary would mean bringing back Bill, with his notorious appetites and unpredictable impulses.

    Bug, feature… He would make a fantastically entertaining First Lad. His special cause could be mentoring Eastern European college-age ex-gymnasts

    1. This is Bubba we’re talking about. More like Eastern European college-age ex-competetive eaters.

      And nice concern trolling from Stevie C. His hero, HRH HRC won’t be president. Sadface.

    2. He would be just about perfect as a First Dude.

      Think of all the shit the First Ladies have to put up with and do, otherwise they’re cattily compared to some more “elegant” predecessor.

      Bill would help ensure *that* bar was set suitably low for his successors.

      Though I’ll be damned if I’ll ever refer to him as First Lord.

    3. High five on the Robert California reference

  2. Not to mention the increasing numbers of high definition televisions in the homes of voters.

  3. Hillary! vs. Jeb! in 2016. You know you want it.

  4. The Clinton good times, remember, were not enough to deliver Gore to the White House.

    Except they TOTALLY WERE OMG OMG the Rethuglicans stole the 2000 election!

    1. 49% of GOP voters think the non-existent ACORN stole this year’s election.

      Back in 2000 Bush won FL by just over 500 votes and the high court stopped the recount on a strict partisan vote. the left had a flicker of a case at least.

      1. I think grylliade’s demonstration of Poe’s law was quite enough. We didn’t need another example, but thanks anyway.

      2. the non-existent ACORN

        If the same people are doing the same things under a different logo, does that mean ACORN has really ceased to exist?

        1. If the same people are doing the same things under a different logo, does that mean ACORN has really ceased to exist?

          Actually, it never did exist. It was all a complete figment of the imagination. /sarc

      3. This plnet that you live on, is the weather nice?

      4. Back in 2000 Bush won FL by just over 500 votes and the high court stopped the recount on a strict partisan vote. the left had a flicker of a case at least.

        Bush won by BOTH the recount standard the SC decision stopped, and by the standard Bush sought. Regardless of whether or not the “partisan” (a description oddly enough only used when the Republicans carry the day) decision ever occurred, Bush won, and was going to win.

        That “flicker” is ignorance.

        1. Wasn’t it the Democrats who originally decided to take it to the courts?

  5. If she ever gets elected, I will just have to leave the US – oh, I forgot, I already have…

    1. you could always go back and then leave again in an almighty huff (uploading proof to YouTube etc optional but preferred)

  6. The public is now used to a godlike figure in the White House and will demand it from now on. The two parties are going to have to scramble for the next four years to replace the current cult of personality with a shiny new one.

    1. Is Oprah busy? Only one I can think of besides Urban Meyer, and I don’t think he’d take the pay cut.

    2. it just has to be someone who can strike a godlike pose and wants to spend your money, right? Paging George Clooney*…

      * I would have said Arrec Bawdwin but he is useress to me

      1. NOOO! If George runs for president he’d certainly win, and then we’d never get the sequel to Leatherheads!

        PS if you’re reading this because you googled your name Mr. Clooney, please read my Leatherhead 2: Leatherheads in Paradise script I mailed you!

      2. If only we could get him to be Jack Donaghy while in office.

    3. No, FOE, charismatics are allowed only once a generation — we’ll get yet another plundering, economy-wrecking warmonger the next time around but he or she will just be a gumpy shit.

  7. Goddamn, y’all are depressing me. I am going to look at some gun-porn to try and cheer up.

    1. hey if you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem. Now get back here and tell us a story about guns

      1. I hang out in a small gun shop quite a bit. I am friends with the owner….plus free coffee.

        Right now he can hardly keep guns on the shelf. He is selling 8-10k a day in guns. This sales boom started immediately after the election. Ammo is selling out too. 223 rounds are not to be found anywhere. These are not collectors or militia types buying up everything. More than half of his customers have never owned guns before.

        Anyway, the supply is tight so I just watch and see what comes through there, not expecting anything I cant live without to show up.

        About a week ago, to my extreme delight, something did show up. A winchester 1894 chambered in 450 marlin. It had only been fired 5 times and has a long eye relief leopold 2x on it.

        1. I collect 94’s and have them in all calibers except that one….and 444 marlin.

          So, yeah, I bought the thing and it resides in my safe now giving me a warm fuzzy feeling when I lay down to sleep at night.

          I tested it out in the yard as soon as I got it home. The ammo that came with it is 350 grain flat noses loaded kinda soft I think. Easy to control and good for deer hunting. In fact I got a nice spike with it this weekend.

          My plan is to order some brass and put it through the paces….probably more light, soft bullets and some heavy solids. Barnes makes some 500 gr solids…..

          That isnt much of a story, but there you go IFH. I do feel better.

          1. In case anyone is wondering, the 450 marlin is a huge cartridge suitable for taking anything up to and including elephants.

            It is essentially a 458 win mag short.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.450_Marlin

            1. Now it makes sense. I had been wondering why John wanted a box of marlins for what he called “dating season”. Thought it was some sort of shibboleth, but now I get it. Thanks!

          2. Easy to control and good for deer hunting.

            Well, a .444 is certainly enough gun for deer. When you shoot one, does it hit the ground field dressed and wrapped in paper packages?

  8. The Clinton good times, remember, were not enough to deliver Gore to the White House.

    Yeah, and these Obama good times probably won’t be enough for Hillary either.

  9. Dude seems to know exactly what he is talking about. Wow.
    http://www.GetsAnon.tk

  10. “Being secretary of state lets her look serious and diligent, which she is, while sparing her from close daily scrutiny.”

    It is amazing that the benches of both major parties are so talentless that Hilary is still considered a leading potential candiate.

    I am trying to think of what Hilary has done as Secretary of State that is in any way noteworthy.

    Nope, cannot think of anything noteworthy.

    1. Considering the witless policies followed by the Jug Ears administration, that she hadn’t done anything noteworthy for idiocy is quite astonishing.

    2. She fucked a popular president!

      Hey, it was enough to qualify her for every job she’s had since he left the white house – why not?

  11. If Hillary Clinton had even the faintest glimmer of a conscience, that video of the Benghazi Four getting slaughtered would haunt her nightmares until the day she dies.

    But that sort of thing doesn’t happen to you when you’re a complete sociopath.

    1. ^This, and it applies to many more than just Hillary.

  12. It’s all just a popularity contest now. I kind of wish she would have been President over Obama, but but, hey, Obama is more popular because he’s black and cool (did you see Jay-Z and Springsteen with him on the last day of the campaign in Madison, Wisconsin?).

    The Republicans will run someone like Rubio and Hillary will be four years older.

    This is always why I think Bobby Jindal, unfortunately, probably won’t be President… he’s just not cool. He’s smarter then them all and a real leader, and nothing like the kook the Left makes him out to be, but he’s just not cool.

    We’ll see.

    1. Same for Chris Christie.
      Chris has tremendous balls, but he cant be elected because he is very fat, people wont elect a person with obesity.

      1. There’s other things that would keep him from the Republican nomination anyway – like supporting gun control and abortion and fellating Obama on the administration’s Sandy response, which wasn’t met with quite as warm a reception outside of the governor’s mansion.

  13. I predict Chuck Schumer will run, for no other reason than he loves being on tv. Maybe the D’s will put Cory Booker up too. Not exactly an all-star lineup.

  14. If I was given the authoritay to add a few amendments to the Constitution, one of them would be a ban on any spouse, sibling, or child of an elected federal official ever holding federal elected federal office.

    One imbecile per family is enough.

    1. Don’t talk about my rand Paul that way!

      1. The Derider| 12.10.12 @ 1:56PM |#
        “Don’t talk about my rand Paul that way!”

        Uh, deidiot, that was *you*!

      2. Let alone my Kennedys!

  15. None of it matters. It’s Biden’s turn in 2016, and Joe and T o n y are currently going over the play book.

  16. “When she ran in 2008, her popularity sagged. That’s how she managed to lose a nomination that most people assumed was hers for the taking.”

    she lost because of arrogance and incompetence. she thought she was inevitable and her team didn’t understand the rules. if she had not just taken it all for granted, obama would’ve pushed her to the limit, but he would be the vp right now.

    1. …”she lost because of arrogance and incompetence”…

      IOWs, she lost because she *is* Hillary. Obozo showed a bit less incompetence than her, McCain and Romney. Just a bit; the arrogance was a dead heat.

      1. Gotta agree here

  17. Goramit, ChappedMan! With your track record lately, your denial of Himmary Clintoon has just guaranteed it the nomination – and the election! The only mystery remaining is whether it will run as a female or not!

  18. There is the fact that voters may be ready to make history by electing a woman.

    And electing someone based on their genetic composition worked really well last time, right?

    It’s easy to forget ….

    The public in a nutshell.

    That’s how she managed to lose a nomination that most people assumed was hers for the taking.

    That and all her supports are racist for voting against The One.

    One is that it’s very hard for a party to win three consecutive presidential elections.

    It’s also hard for an incumbent to win an election in a pathetic economy.

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