GOP Too Libertarian, Free-Market-y, Say Anti-Libertarian, Anti-Market Pundits
The Republican Party's pummeling at the ballot box earlier this month (which was less of a pummeling than a weak and uninspired failure to achieve expectations), can be laid at the doorstep of that party's doctrinaire, libertarian touting of smaller government and its embrace of hardcore free-market economics. Or so we're told by a couple of scribblers who aren't obviously penning an alternative-history novel. It's an intriguing premise, impaired only by the GOP's lack of enthusiasm for anything of the sort, and its thorough rejection of candidates who actually did espouse such views.
Jonathan Chait, that outstanding example of the progressive movement's success in mining a rich vein of humorless predictability, writes at New York:
It's certainly true that libertarianism is a broad and varied enough ideology that there are some ways in which more of it may have helped Romney win. (Say, supporting more humane immigration policies.) But it seems obvious that, as even Goldberg concedes against ideological interest, Romney's economic libertarianism was a millstone around his neck. His 47 percent comments reflected the Ayn Randian sentiment that has swept through the GOP, a phenomenon Gillespie has celebrated. …
At a more practical level, Romney's anti-government dogma left him unable to propose any concrete solutions for things most people regard as problems.
Right about now, you may be scratching your head and wondering, "wait … Romney espoused anti-government dogma? When?" Strictly speaking, the GOP turned its back pretty early on the real skeptics of government power, driving Gary Johnson to flee to the Libertarian Party and marginalizing Ron Paul to the extent that the only Republican candidate with an enthusiastic and youthful following could be marginalized.
My personal take-away from Mitt Romney's campaign is heavy on "free trade with China is bad" and "protect Medicare." Free-market libertarianism … not so much.
Paul Ryan was supposed to be the Ayn Rand acolyte, but campaign coverage was heavily salted with descriptions of him as a neutered "mini-Mitt." The most interesting part of his presence on the campaign trail was when he briefly endorsed federal respect for state-level marijuana policy — before backtracking.
Joshua Green at the in-aptly named Businessweek (for years, it;'s been, at best, a Mixedeconomyweek) chimes in with a similar message, attributing the GOP's very real loss of the Hispanic vote not just to its know-nothing immigrant bashing, but to its insistence on … you guessed it … free-market, small-government policies.
[M]inorities' alienation from the Republican Party goes far beyond language and immigration to the very heart of the conservative worldview. …
Minorities tend to view government as a positive, and effective, facilitator of economic opportunity and prefer that it take an active role in regulating the marketplace. Whites generally don't share this view.
Well … Maybe many minorities do take that pro-government view, but if a major political party were to say, stop bashing minorities and start making a cogent case for why everybody would benefit from choice and freedom-oriented policies, instead of leaving the field clear for the opposition, perhaps the numbers might move. Just speculating here. Frankly, the pro-market argument wasn't tested in the political arena.
By the way, you might notice from the Chait excerpt above that the New York scribe continues his … fascination with our own Nick Gillespie. Nick is called out for his "traditional spirit" in "arguing in response to David Frum and other critics of the party's doctrinaire economic agenda, asserts that it's impossible the GOP may have taken an excessively libertarian position."
It should be clear that Nick made his argument because it's true. Romney may have made a generally protectionist, pro-business case in many ways, but he showed no great enthusiasm for actual free markets or individual choice. And the Republican Party made great efforts to kick to the curb those candidates who did.
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to call Chait a douchebag without a brain.
I suspect that he does, in fact, have a brain. Which means that he is not a douchebag without a brain, but rather a deceitful little shitbag.
Any time you see Chait as the topic of a post, you know that a supertanker full of stupid has just pulled into the harbor.
They create the false memes, which then become their truth, which they all then regurgitate without a single critical thought.
Don't worry, when the big crash comes in a few years, the left will switch to believing that the libertarians were in charge all along.
Does that mean we have to be civil and find a use for them?
I saw a movie about using people for batteries once.
Judging by the amount of democrat voters screaming for more free stuff, I am thinking there are a lot of dead batteries out there. We better think of something else.
Food or fertilizer for food.
So did you know they weren't that stupid and were going to have each brain be a node in a massive neural network, used for computing power, but the studio thought the audience wouldn't understand and made them change it?
Fuck...seriously? Human batteries was probably the most retarded thing about The Matrix, and that would have been a good fix.
Think about all the shit about "The One" from a neural network perspective instead of the battery one. Makes a ton more sense, doesn't it.
Yeah...pretty much the entire thing would have worked better with neural networks. Even the (shudder) sequels.
Wait. Obama was in the Matrix?
Obama just won re election by pretending that Romney was the incumbent.
You're only saying that because they did it in 2008.
Like the following:
The Bush tax cuts caused the trillion dollar deficits (and not the trillion-dollar bump in annual spending, after Obama made the "one time" stimulus budget the new normal).
A free market run amok, rife with deregulation, caused the stock market crash of 2008 and the ensuing recession, which even the mighty Obama hasn't been able to rescue us from yet, and may not for another 4 years, thanks to dimwitted and unwilling-to-compromise House Republicans.
A free market run amok
Considering that we haven't had anything approaching that description in at least 100 years, I don't think it's much cause for concern.
Cronyism run amok, now there is a term that we can have a reality based discussion about.
Yes, it's the same as the Great Depression. The evil libertarian, fatcat, robber baron favoring Hoover was all free market and then FDR saved us. Pay attention!
This drives me to drink. Obama is brilliant at this and the strawman argument.
"Uh, let me be clear. some say that the only way to fiscal strength is through drastic tax cuts for millionaires and billionaries. A return to the failed policies of the last decade. At the expense of the folks. Who are struggling. Just to feed their families and. Pay their bills. But make no mistake. I believe in an America. Where those who can pay just a little bit more. And the election results bare this out. We can ask those who can most afford it to pay just a little bit more. So that we can keep the promises made to our seniors! (wait for applause) And invest in our childrens' futures! (wait for applause) And create millions of green jobs through sustainable energy! (wait for applause) And rebuild America's roads and infrastructure! (wait for Chris Matthews to wet himself)."
You mean whoever types the shit into his teleprompter is brilliant.
An important distinction.
I did throw an "uh", "let me clear" and "make no mistake" in there to make the boilerplate more realistic.
And create millions of green jobs through sustainable energy!
Umm, errr, didn't we try that just recently and the results were not that stellar... just sayin.
Only because they didn't spend enough on it.
Moar subsidies!
Is that Al Bundy in the photo?
It's called wishful thinking. They fear the GOP going more Libertarian, which they have in reality shown only the very slightest hint of being willing to do, so they try to project their thoughts onto the GOP hoping that it will stick.
They themselves, the progressives, have nothing but a proven failure of an ideology, and therefore, they sure as hell don't want the GOP adopting something that might work.
See, I don't see it that way at all. It's either pure, cult-level groupthink delusion facilitated by partisanship and constant peer/media reinforcement, or it's something like subconsciously they know that TEAM RED is barely different from them, so they're in this huge, brain-warping denial mode where they pick the ideology they hate the most and ascribe it to the other TEAM to make it easier to hate them.
Either way, they're out of their fucking unthinking minds.
I guess it depends on which ones we are talking about. The elitist masters, or the sheep.
The elitiist masters think exactly like I stated. The sheep, much more like you stated. The apostles of their propaganda machine, the MSM, likely a mix of both.
I can agree with that. I am always loathe to ascribe to malice what can be attributed to stupidity, but somebody's creating these memes on purpose.
Exactly. A few at the top understand where their main threat lies, the rest are mindless idiots.
Ellsworth Toohey?
Frum and other GOP establishment assholes were pushing the 'TP is making Romney lose' meme in the most transparent way possible during the last few weeks of the election. Gee I wonder why. It's as if they went all in on Romney and wanted an out.
Conveniently ignoring that the TP backed virtually each and every candidate in the Republican primary other than Romney **because** (s)he wasn't Romney.
I'm going to agree with Epi on this one. If you want the pulse of the GOP look at the 'publican governors who are itching for tax increases on the rich all the sudden.
The other night I heard a panel of R political analysts on the recent election. They said -- big surprise -- that the R's need moderates (spenders) who can better present the message of personal moral responsibility (left unsaid, as taught to us by the Bible).
They rightly noted, however, the partisan primary system is not serving the R's well and advocated open primaries, which scares the bezeesus out of the local political establishment.
Minorities tend to view government as a positive, and effective, facilitator of economic opportunity and prefer that it take an active role in regulating the marketplace.
It takes a truly enlightened and progressive mind to be able to make a sweeping generalization such as this while remaining immune from racism.
Only white Rethuglicans are racists, just because.
White liberals consider minorities as their pets.
"Just don't crap on the rug, and we'll keep you warm and fed."
It's true though, which is why Libertarians who advocate open borders are essentially suicidal.
Well it would be hypocritical of libertarians to adopt ends-justify-the-means positions. In any case, I don't really agree with that. If libertarian was synonymous with "Republican party" I might agree. As it is, libertarian candidates have a ceiling of about 10% in the R primary and 1% in the general election. So I don't really see how minorities or immigrants are stopping the country from embracing libertarianism
Nothing says libertarian like America's progressive style fascism.
As opposed to the GOP's slightly less progressive, hypermilistarist, socon fascism?
Well it would be hypocritical of libertarians to adopt ends-justify-the-means positions.
It would be retarded for libertarians to support their autistic hyper-rational policies that only work within the vacuum of theoretical thought. Society will never be libertarian. You best get over it and compromise. You want open borders so that corporations can import a bunch of cheap labor? Then be prepared for the cheap labor to vote against libertarianism in favor of their ethnic interests. Then, when wages plummet for the working class, be prepared for them to vote against libertarianism in favor of their economic interest.
You idiot.
I just now finished listening to Ron Paul's farewell speech...that was some good libertarian-ish stuff. I'm swinging from sadness to rage that 90% of his ideas were rejected by the repubs.
Doomed we are.
You can stomp on a seed, but that doesn't matter once it's planted.
Paul Ryan was supposed to be the Ayn Rand acolyte
And that right there is more than enough to prove the level of delusion on the left, so much in fact, that no one with an even moderately functional brain could take them serious any longer.
This is fairly typical Chait. Find a token "conservative" to say something stupid, and then point to him and say "See? Even ______ says the GOP should be more like the Democrats!!!!!"
But it seems obvious that, as even Goldberg concedes against ideological interest, Romney's economic libertarianism was a millstone around his neck. His 47 percent comments reflected the Ayn Randian sentiment that has swept through the GOP, a phenomenon Gillespie has celebrated.
Concern troll is concerned.
Minorities tend to view government as a positive, and effective, facilitator of economic opportunity and prefer that it take an active role in regulating the marketplace. Whites generally don't share this view.
I'd better stop hanging out with you racists. You're not cool.
Tell that to all the darkies who Rattner and Bloomberg booted from their homes in Atlantic Yards.
Yeah. I don't know how anybody can take a sentence that starts "Minorities tend to" and finish it in any way that isn't jaw-droppingly racist. I guess "vote Obama" would work as a statement of fact, but the list gets real fucking short after that.
My personal take-away from Mitt Romney's campaign is heavy on "free trade with China is bad" and "protect Medicare." Free-market libertarianism ... not so much.
Of course, since that's what you wanted to take away from it. Thanks for confessing your bias.
No one's going to mistake Romney's platform for Ron Paul's, but he did talk a lot about the private sector being the true job creator in this country. How many times did MR reiterate that "government doesn't create jobs" after BO plodded through his bullshit about how he was a job creator.
I have a strong suspicion that Chait's foolishness is motivated by a desire to associate libertarianism with the losing side; just like I have a suspicion that Reason wanted to keep as much distance as possible between itself from MR in case he lost.
but he did talk a lot about the private sector being the true job creator in this country
That could just mean that he's not completely insane, or ignorant, or a totally shameless liar. It doesn't necessarily make him a Libertarian. And in fact, we all know that he isn't and doesn't even come close.
Well of course it didn't make him a libertarian. But if your main takeaway from the Romney campaign was "free trade with China is bad", with statism incarnate sitting across the stage from him, your perception is a tad skewed.
If your main takeaway was "rhetoric = policy" you're as much of a fool as you seem. His actual policy preferences were pretty much the same as Obama, just Romney's way, whatever that would mean. The main economic takeaways, policy-wise, WERE protectionism and program-protection. That you think citing his few policy points is evidence of "bias", is just a reflection of your own bias.
Anyone who hates Free Trade also hates the Free Market.
Romney may think he's a capitalist, but he's really only a corporatist. He was, after all, the looney who thought that forcing people to purchase health insurance in MA was a "free market" solution to the "problem" of some people not having health insurance.
There's a lot of that going around. Many people's opposition to free enterprise is expressed as opposition to private enterprise, so some people then think that any private enterprise is free enterprise.
They probably wanted to keep their distance from Romney because they're libertarians and he's not.
But George Will says a little more libertarianism is the ticket to electoral success:
http://cjonline.com/opinion/20.....ng-scratch
Romney was a diligent warrior. Next time, Republicans need a more likable one.
And one who tilts toward the libertarian side of the Republican Party's fusion of social and laissez-faire conservatism.
Which is why Chait used Goldberg instead of Will as his "EVEN THIS TOKEN AGREES WITH ME!!!"
What about Romney was unlikable? His niceness?
He was no warrior. A warrior plunges the blade and howls with glee on the killing twist. Romney apologized the few times he dared to differ slightly from The Anointed One and he prefaced statements with, "Respectfully." Fuck respect. A warrior debater confounds his opponent, destroys his positional arguments, and then uses his own counter-arguments against him. Respect is only granted insofar as blatant logical fallacy and profanity is avoided. Romney was a milquetoast pussy whose only unlikable trait was that he has no vices (other than being a prog) and has been successful his entire life without requiring a helping hand from the nanny state and racial identity politics.
Romney is a lot more likeable than Obama. I can't even think of anyone right now that is less likeable than Obama. Well, ok, there are a lot of people, but none were running for President. Except Rick Santorum, barf.
Disagree. Obama is extremely likeable, in fact, it's about the only thing he offers. And Romney just seems like a cold fish.
Nobody liked Nixon, but they elected him.
Romney was unlikable because he was a weird robodouche. There was just no liking him.
Being a milquetoast pussy is likable?
It's inoffensive. In the false dichotomy of American politics inoffensive = likable.
Partly it's that, but there are certain things that tend to make a politician unlikable. Being female is one of them (doesn't apply to many politicians). Being a lawyer is another (applies to a great many). You can be inoffensive yet fail on one of those counts.
"Romney was a milquetoast pussy...."
^This.
Libertarian leaning candidates did fairly well. Big government conservatives who glommed onto the "Tea Party" label (like Ryan) got trounced. There is no mystery about to most people. But Chait is not most people, he can't understand why those who propose more massively intrusive government didn't do better last Tuesday.
Promising to get rid fo reacharounds doesn't win you any votes unless you also promise to stop buggering the public.
I'm not sure I agree with the relevance of those facts there.
I mean, OK, Scott Brown was a big govt conservative, but he was also running in Taxachusetts. Ted Cruz is all right from a libertarian POV, but he was running in Texas.
Thomas Massie from KY was the biggest pick up for Ls, at the federal level.
And in a district that has had Ds representing it fairly recently.
Hyper-blue dog Ds, but Ds.
"Anti-gov't sentiment" to a prog is anyone who has ever said anything bad about the gov't at any time and does not believe it is the solution to all of life's problems (unless said gov't is currently being controlled by republicans, in which case none of the above applies).
So when you have two candidates, one of whom espouses gov't as the total solution to everything, and the other who only espouses it as a probably solution to most things, the latter is an anti-gov't zealot. And probably a racist.
True. Progressives believe "Government is US" fervently, at least if it's headed up by Democrats. Those who don't put their faith in government are somehow anti-social in their scheme of things.
I thought it was because the media after all this years still seems to convince the morons that if they vote GOP, abortion will be outlawed as will birth control and rape will be be ok as long as no one gets pregnant. Basic playbook works everytime. No need to work very hard at it. Woman are victims.
Everyone is a victim except for whitey. Well, male whitey that is. Whitey women are victims also.
I have just decided that being this great victimizer is a good thing. I guess it makes me feel good about who the winner is going to be when things go to shit. Same old victimizer as before.
Every time I see one of these articles it makes me depressed. Not because of the abject stupidity of the article itself. Okay, that makes me depressed too. But... damn. If only libertarians had as much power as people on the left seem to think we have.
I am impressed that someone as stupid as Chait can make a good living - and depressed that the fucker probably makes more than me.
The left has a malignant perspective on markets.
Damn libertarians! Way-laying the kids! Doing mind-games in the schools!
How can 'decent' people protect themselves against propaganda promoting freedom and responsibility?! How can 'decent' people promote free stuff with these people around?! How can 'decent' people avoid the consequences of what they do?!
There must be some government agency dedicated to the removal of those damn libertarians; they are the major threat to our way of life!
Maybe if had better reading comprehension, you would see that that isn't what Brian was saying
Minorities tend to view government as a positive, and effective, facilitator of economic opportunity and prefer that it take an active role in regulating the marketplace.
Which is why they overwhelmingly voted for all those pro-big-government-control ballot initiatives, like MJ legalization, gun rights, gay rights, etc.
I can't decide who I have more disdain for.
The people who loved Romney because they thought he was such a huge change from Obama, or the people who hated Romney because they believed the same thing.
The people that hated Romney are completely vile.
The people that thought Romney would bring libertarian change ranged from hopeful skeptics to self deluded. But all wanted reduced government.
Right, Romney would totally have been pushing for tax increaseses in the middle of a recession.
Ed Krayewski said it, I believe it, that does it.
Well actually, he didn't. He just questioned if he would, going WITHOUT the partisan assumption that the man would never, EVER, go back on his word or claimed principles. But you're not really interested in what Ed really said, just how you can spin it.
Curious, I don't remember seeing Ed write any articles JustAskingQuestions? about* whether Romney would end the Federal Reserve, repeal the controlled substances act, end the embargo on Cuba, etc...
He only JustAskedQuestions? about something that would make Obama's victory more palatable to libertarians if the obvious answer were not true.
* JustAskingQuestions? is a very common technique for opinionsmiths to plant ideas in people's heads without having to justify them. Commonly used by racists and other bigots, too.
"Well ... Maybe many minorities do take that pro-government view..."
Well.... they do, so no amount of earnest "dramatically cutting medicare, saying no to forgiving student loan, and vaporizing the dept. of education is a good thing in the long run" would get them to our side.
Outside of some counterproductive tone on immigration, the GOP never "bashed minorities". How many times has libertarians come to the defense of tea parties and BS accusations of incivility giving way to violence?
Does no one else see the problem with how the nations places so much default value on "diversity"? If a cause enjoys a multicultural consensus, then it must be great. If the opposition is mostly white, then why, exclusion and elitism! And baby, you don't come any whiter than Ron Paul, GJ, and Romney.
Yeah, 70% of Latinos like big government. And they're WRONG. One of these days, someone will have the courage to say it.
Re: XM,
I don't think that's even true. People like Green and Chait have this strange belief that just because people are classified as a minority group, a certain culture magically arises that looks and feels, amazingly enough, so like theirs. A wonderful "koinquidence" (like Kelly Bundy would say)!
This analysis would be accurate if the GOP ran Ron Paul.
Instead the GOP ran Mitt Romney. The antithesis of all the criticisms. He is not small govt libertarian.
This stuff is delusional.
Dirty little secret of the 2012 election - Evangelicals failed to come out for Romney. Saw many articles proclaiming that they would "push Romney over the top" in the swing states or some such stuff before the election - then Romney went out and lost all those states.
Libertarians didn't cost Romney - being out of touch with these so-cons did. Not that the Repubs will ever admit this, of course. Far easier to blame us...
Hey if these guys believe this stuff then they should be urging Democrat candidates to demand Libertarian candidates be included in all debates or said Democrat will refuse to debate the GOPer alone.
"Progressives" are playing like Bre'r Rabbit. "Don't become MORE Libertarian, or you'll lose more...." That's the only thing they're afraid of, is the Republican party becoming the party of smaller government, which will appeal to all the youngsters who are currently on the hook for all the entitlement programs their grandparents and half their own contemporaries are helping themselves to.
Of course, the Republican party has no intention of actually becoming more Libertarian and giving up the party's lucrative lobby support. Their hand is in the same cookie jar as the Democrat party's hand--just grabbing for different cookies, that's all.
And they must be right because they're... minorities.
I guess this is why people like Chait will never coin the expression "Wise Whitetina."
Do you know who also talked about reality being defined by race? Had an interesting mustache.
like Chait and Green.
Lucky for Green, he knows the mind of the minority person. We're all so monolithic, you don't really need 3 years of college to understand us!
It's very obvious if you're not an idiot that minorities generally vote in their ethnic interests. Democrats offer the carrot to Hispanics with predictable results.
Think it has at least as much to do with Republicans offering the stick.
"My personal take-away from Mitt Romney's campaign is heavy on "free trade with China is bad" and "protect Medicare." Free-market libertarianism ... not so much."
It also was not heavy on the social conservative stuff but that does not stop people around from saying that the key to GOP success is dumping those issues entirely.
It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that Progressives, particularly the most ignorant among them, look at libertarians as the big bad wolf. He takes that fantasy narrative a step further by pretending the GOP is even nominally libertarian. But like all of Chait's "insights", it's as meaningful as a fart in the wind.