A.M. Links: Voters Split on VP Debate Win, Pakistani Girl Shot By Taliban Offered American Assistance, Stacey Dash Bombarded By Abusive Tweets, EU Wins Nobel Peace Prize, U.S. Sold Faulty Protection in Afghanistan, Curiosity Finds a New Kind of Rock

• Voters are split on who won the Biden v. Ryan debate, a stark contrast to how many viewed the first Obama v. Romney debate. Sarah Palin spoke out about who she thought won the debate, using typical Alaskan imagery. 

• Stacey Dash is feeling the heat after endorsing Romney. The actress has been receiving a flood of racist and sexist tweets since her endorsement of the GOP presidential nominee. 

• The U.S. has offered transportation and medical treatment for Malala Yousufzai, a Pakistani girl who was shot in the head by the Taliban. Pakistan has yet to respond to the offer. 

• NASA's Curiosity rover has discovered a new kind of rock on Mars. The highly fractionated alkalic rock type is found in rift zones on Earth. 

• The European Union has won the Nobel Peace Prize. At least it wasn't the Nobel Prize for economics…

• Contract fraud resulted in the U.S. being sold bogus protection in Afghanistan. 

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[sage]

Fisted?

[Fist of Etiquette]

GET A LIFE.

[sage]

Looks good on you!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Green is my color.

[Ted S.]

Would that be vomitus green?

[Groovus Maximus]

You by any chance haven't had any steroid injections in your lumbar lately, say in the last 90 days or so, have you? That pallour of yours looks remarkable...

[Pro Libertate]

You think meningitis? I was leaning towards a subdural hematoma, followed by immersion in green dye.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I'm an Orion slave dude. You should see my seductive dance. Actually, you shouldn't. It's seductive.

[Groovus Maximus]

Subdurals Hemos don't turn you green, unless you are a Vulcan.

FOE in a vat of green dye? Unless he works at a Jell-O factory, don't be ridiculous Pro'L Dib.

[Pro Libertate]

I don't know what slop house gave you your degree in exchange for fifty bucks, but where I learned medicine, vats of green dye are used to treat a variety of conditions.

[Groovus Maximus]

And I don't out of what CrackerJack box (Is this term now racist somehow? Judges?) you got that solicitor's sheepskin (no doubt ribbed for your "clients" comfort), but please name me one DX where a vat of green goo is an appropriate course of TX?

Just one will do, and no references to "Fallout" either...

[Groovus Maximus]

"...don't know..."

Dammit.

[Pro Libertate]

You know nothing of modern medicine--nothing! It's all about green dye. What are you, some pharmaceutical company shill?

Say, is this regulated speech? Am I about to get a letter from a state agency?

[T]

please name me one DX where a vat of green goo is an appropriate course of TX?

Chlorophyll depletion syndrome?

[T]

please name me one DX where a vat of green goo is an appropriate course of TX?

Chlorophyll depletion syndrome?

[Pro Libertate]

Indeed, a common ailment in humans and most fauna. But treatable, yes, with a vat of green dye.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I have a sizable accessory spleen, if that helps the diagnosis.

[Pro Libertate]

I see. Does it hurt when you get kicked in the testicles? Have you been to Pitcairn Island recently?

[Groovus Maximus]

That's not an accessory spleen. Clearly one (or both) of FOE testicles has failed to descend and has hypertrophied.

[Pro Libertate]

Terminal, eh?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Come to think of it, it does hurt when I get kicked in the testicles.

The extra spleen is in place of one of my kidneys. Go ahead and guess which one is missing. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!

[Pro Libertate]

You didn't answer about Pitcairn Island. I can't complete my diagnosis without that information. If you haven't been there, have you had sexual relations with any lower-order mammals from the island?

[Fist of Etiquette]

This thread is covered by HIPAA, right?

[Pro Libertate]

Yes. Stop reading it.

[Pro Libertate]

Hey, that gives me an idea for what to call TV vampires: hemosexuals.

[Pro Libertate]

WTF? This comment was to doc's way above. Friggin' threaded bullshit.

[Ptah-Hotep]

You by any chance haven't had any steroid injections in your lumbar lately, say in the last 90 days or so, have you? That pallour of yours looks remarkable...

Thank Asclepius for the FDA, keeping our drugs safe.

[Groovus Maximus]

And with the originating manufacturer in...GASP...MassHole-landia. I was assured that RomneyCare, now under Devil Patrick's arguable (in)competent stewardship would never let such oversights happen in their medical industries.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Voters are split on who won the Biden v. Ryan debate, a stark contrast to how many viewed the first Obama v. Romney debate.

Partisan pundits knew not to go openly apeshit this time around.

[Mike M.]

The crazy face battle however was a runaway unanimous decision.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I don't know that it was. Apparently it's going over well in certain camps.

[VG Zaytsev]

A proglodyte a her finest.

The Leftist, a 78-year-old woman, a New Berlin school bus driver, has been harassing a student on her bus route because there's a Mitt Romney yard sign at his home. ?

When the driver engaged the 12-year-old boy in a political conservation, he responded by saying that Obama is pro-abortion.

The bus driver allegedly said to the child, "Maybe your mom should have chosen abortion for you."

[invisible furry hand]

and maybe an Obamacare death panel should put her on an ice floe, the cranky old bitch

[Gene]

78 year old bus driver? I hope it is an automatic.

[Restoras]

It's what the Left does. They are so terrified that thier ideas don't actually stand up to logic and reason they automatically engage in bullying and threats, and eventually worse.

[JW]

It's what the Left does.

Pretty much every zombie partisan, left or right, will do this, but it's especially delicious coming from the leftards, who continuously claim to be above such things and never, ever, resort to the shit-slinging and dirty tricks.

[Restoras]

I agree

[Rich]

I look forward to the viral support for that bullied boy.

[Atanarjuat]

So they're still hiring child-hating grouchypants for bus drivers, I see. Not much different than when I was a kid.

One bus driver earned my respect, though, when a set of troublemaking twins showed up at the stop in front of the trailer park that was on our route. One of the kids wouldn't sit down and roamed the aisle, getting rowdy. The bus driver stomped the brakes, making him fall on his ass and get laughed at in front of everyone. He actually sat down after that, though he did get his revenge by burning a hole in the seat with a cigarette lighter.

[T]

So they're still hiring child-hating grouchypants for bus drivers, I see

It's been my experience that anybody in a customer service industry eventually comes to loathe the customer. So if she didn't start as a child-hater, she'll end up as one.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

It's been my experience that anybody in a customer service industry eventually comes to loathe the customer.

This was certainly true when I waited tables--for the first year or so, you kind of roll with some of the petty shit that comes up from time to time. After a while, it got to a point where even getting a diet coke refill seemed like a pain in the ass.

Most of the customers I had were perfectly fine people. The problem is the real assholes that come in from time to time eventually sour you towards just about everyone.

[Ted S.]

Nice link.

[HazelMeade]

The bus driver allegedly said to the child, "Maybe your mom should have chosen abortion for you."

Typical, she can't have a political debate with a 12 year old without losing her cool. They're all like that.

[Groovus Maximus]

Say, didn't IFH post a similar story about some old birdy twat giving some prepubescent the same type of puss face riot act?

Is there something in the water these days?

[invisible furry hand]

this is an online petition

Shut Down The Orangutan Kick Boxing Matches at Safari World
http://www.thepetitionsite.com.....g-Matches/

[Fluffy]

I agree that they should shut those down.

Don't they have any bums to use?

[LTC(ret) John]

Quite so - think of it as jobz created!

[Ted S.]

I'd prefer women.

[SugarFree]

We all already know about your sick homeless woman fighting fetish.

[JW]

If the orangs aren't wrestling in Jell-O, I'm not interested.

[Whiterun Guard]

Why would I vote to shut down the most awesome thing I have ever heard of. Ever.

[R C Dean]

Needs moar video.

[invisible furry hand]

take your pick

[Loki]

Most of those videos were matches between various minorities. Racist?

[invisible furry hand]

er, most of them were between orungatans. Am I missing something?

[mr simple]

Not on the page I get when I click the link.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Oh for fucks sake!

In Thailand they have Muay Thai fights between 8-year old kids. I should know, my wife was one of them.

[Scotticus Finch]

In Thailand they have Muay Thai fights between 8-year old kids. I should know, my wife was one of them.

And even now, six years later, she is still dealing with the brutal memories within your tender embrace.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Heh.

You know how I roll.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Stacey Dash is feeling the heat after endorsing Romney.

One simply cannot sell out ones own people and get away with it. France fell because of people like her.

[LTC(ret) John]

Remember, the Left is the most loving, tolerant and kindest bunch you could ever hope to meet.

[Lord Humungus]

I will gladly come to her rescue... wowza.

[Kwanzaa Cake]

The amazing thing is that she's something like 42 with kids. Even when she was in her late 20's/early 30's she played a teenager in Clueless. She definitely won the genetic lottery.

[Randian]

There is a Playboy shoot you need to go find. Trust me.

[Jerry on the road]

Try renting the Illegal in Blue movie.

[Coeus]

Black don't crack, my friend. Black don't crack.

[Ted S.]

20-somethings have been playing teens almost since the dawn of time.

Mary Pickford was 34 when she made Sparrows, and I think she was supposed to be around 18.

[Chris Mallory]

They get the 20 somethings to play teens so they don't run afoul of kiddie pron laws if the role calls for any kind of bodily contact.

[Groovus Maximus]

Stacey Dash is feeling the heat after endorsing Romney. The actress has been receiving a flood of racist and sexist tweets since her endorsement of the GOP presidential nominee.

But I was assured that lefty prog types cannot be racist and intolerant, and only see the world through a colour-blind set of lenses...

There must be some mistake here.

Has Cher weighed in on this?

[Palin's Buttplug]

So now you're against freedom of speech?

(one good strawman deserves another).

[LTC(ret) John]

So the Lefties sending all the abuse her way are not racist and intolerant?

[Groovus Maximus]

Not at all, I don't advocate speech codes, unlike your average left prog, you lithium deprived vaginal blood clot.

Besides, lefty progs do claim to own the market on racial tolerance and sensitivity and all that feel-good, one-way-street drivel. I merely point out the converse.

[LTC(ret) John]

"lithium deprived vaginal blood clot"

Aha! Now we really do have the correct name for shrike.

[Sudden]

I'm thinking some sort of acronym is in order:

Sub Human Retarded Incompetent Kinetic Entity.

[Auric Demonocles]

Dash isn't actually a minority, because she's not supporting Obama. Duh.

[Randian]

Bingo. If she were a minority, she would support the minority. because she isn't, she's not.

That was pretty easy.

[Whiterun Guard]

Kind of like a reverse terrorist, eh?

[generic Brand]

If you're not hunting down terrorists, you're helping them. Don't be a terrorist!

[Paid for by the Transportation Security Administration]

[SugarFree]

^^Pakistan^^

[Zeb]

One of the more stupid and insidious things that has crept into out language is referring to individuals as "minorities" rather than "members of minority groups". Every person is a minority. I can only imagine that I would hate it even more if I weren't a white male. It is incredibly insulting to presume that one party owns the vote of all black people.

[T]

Somebody once said the individual is the smallest minority. Who was that again? Starts with an R...

[Rights-Minimalist Autocrat]

Racists?

[Ptah-Hotep]

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
Ayn Rand

An excellent Ayn Rand quote.

[Jordan]

Cleary, Stacey Dash is part of the Southern Strategy.

[Whiterun Guard]

Get a black woman to shill for Romney, so that whites will be turned off of him and vote for Obama?

[Rich]

"RomneyPhone!!"

[Rich]

I'll get around the spam filter like this:

"RomneyPhone!!"

[ant1sthenes]

It doesn't work if she's hot.

[The Craig]

The U.S. has offered transportation and medical treatment for Malala Yousufzai, a Pakistani girl who was shot in the head by the Taliban. Pakistan has yet to respond to the offer.

All you drone strike survivors, go fuck yourselves.

[Groovus Maximus]

Wow, I see those new ObamneyCare mandates are really brutal...

[The Craig]

Fucking is healthy?

[Restoras]

Not if you are a Jezzie.

[Groovus Maximus]

Ouch! Is this a trick question?

[Rich]

Maybe ....

Anyway, it's better than some Martha Raddatz hocked up.

[The Craig]

Of course not, we cannot give them free birth control unless they are fucking, even if it is themselves.

[Whiterun Guard]

What survivors?

[The Craig]

The limbless ones

[Groovus Maximus]

Really, it's an outbreak of leprosy, not drones. Susan Rice told me so.

[Tim]

I logged on for the debate using the mobile. It wouldn't let me post. Way to go.

[sarcasmic]

Retired cop kills his own son thinking he's an intruder. For some reason I am unable to find any pity in my heart.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....rglar.html

[Kwanzaa Cake]

I would not wish that on anyone, including a cop.

[sarcasmic]

I didn't say I wished it upon anyone.

[Randian]

Second. sarcasmic's being a douche again.

[Whiterun Guard]

This is what the American people want, let them have it. I'm with sarc on this one.

Plus what was that kid ever going to offer the world except for wrestling forum fodder and aids jokes.

[Randian]

This is what the American people want, let them have it. I'm with sarc on this one.

What "this" would that be? Fathers shooting their own sons?

[Whiterun Guard]

Just police shooting people in general with no repercussions.

[CampingInYourPark]

The father is 77 years old and retired so what does it have to do with "police shooting people with no repercussions"?

[Randian]

Nothing. They're both being reflexively retarded.

[Fist of Etiquette]

While I feel sorry for the family, that was remarkably irresponsible. You can't blindly fire your weapon like that, especially if you don't live alone.

[sarcasmic]

You can if you're an ex-cop.

[Randian]

Yeah, that's it. Double-down on your assholery.

[sarcasmic]

Policemen make a career out of sowing pain and misery.

I can not find it in my heart to have pity on one for any reason.

[Whiterun Guard]

Karma or something.

[Randian]

You're both fucking morons. You no evidence of any particular problems this police officer caused any one, and here you are celebrating this tragedy.

[Chris Mallory]

He was a cop. The odds are that he caused much harm and many problems. He is at the correct age to have been abusing hippies in '68.

[sarcasmic]

Just to be clear, a lack of pity is not the same as pleasure. I do not smile when I read stories like that. But I can't pity the cop. I just can't.

[Randian]

Just to be clear, a lack of pity is not the same as pleasure.

Right, sorry, you seem to be taking a lot of...not-pleasure...in announcing your total badass callousness.

"Oh god, sarcasmic, you're so cold and heartless and just awesome!" *swoon*

[sarcasmic]

Bar Refaeli is still hot!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....thing.html

[LTC(ret) John]

Um, seconded.

[geo1113]

And she can walk on water.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The U.S. has offered transportation and medical treatment for Malala Yousufzai...

These open border policies are getting out of control. (I hope she hasn't been speaking out against the TSA. They can be almost as vindictive as the Taliban.)

[Rich]

speaking out against the TSA

Oh, that would be awesome!

"Malala's first words upon regaining consciousness were: 'The Obama administration is practically as bad as the Taliban.'"

[sarcasmic]

Size 12 bikini model struts her stuff for John!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem.....shoot.html

[Coeus]

Does it have to be just for John? I would wreck that. She's not fat, or even chubby. She's just big. If she was shorter and kept that body ratio, she wouldn't even be plus size.

[John]

She is just tall. I would hit the hell out of her.

[Whiterun Guard]

She does look like she could take a punch.

[Restoras]

Donkey Punch?

[Whiterun Guard]

Hawaiian.

[Jordan]

Falcon.

[LTC(ret) John]

"awaiian"

OK, I am getting some askance looks as I cackle,here at my desk. Nicely done.

[Whiterun Guard]

Yeah, she's pretty OK. That suit's not doing her any favors though. She should get rid of it.

[Lord Humungus]

I wouldn't say no.

[LTC(ret) John]

I'd hit that so hard, if anyone was able to pull me out, they'd be crowned King of England.

[Restoras]

FTW. That's the second Excalibur reference this week. Will have to watch the movie this weekend.

[Citizen Nothing]

hehe. Yep. That's a keeper.

[Auric Demonocles]

Yeah, I wouldn't think she was anything special if I saw her in the street or at a bar, but I wouldn't be grossed out if she started hitting on me.

[sarcasmic]

Did she get a boob job? I dunno, but any excuse to stare is an excuse to stare, right?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....ation.html

[Restoras]

Her bikini top looks padded and I don't see the tell-tail upper boob cleavage to convince me. Requires additional examination...preferably hands-on. By me.

[Groovus Maximus]

Strictly professional opinion, but yes, she sure did. The intra-mammary crevasse is a dead giveaway.

[Ice Nine]

Frankie Sandford's curvier cleavage sparks boob job speculation

That is to cleavage as the Grand Canyon is to earth fissures.

[Coeus]

???

[Ice Nine]

Really? Her "cleavage" is a yawning gap.

[Coeus]

Oh, I thought you meant it was a large, majestic example of cleavage.

[The Hammer]

You reversed the analogy.

[Ice Nine]

Her yawning gap is to cleavage as the Grand Canyon is to earth fissures? Uh, no, I didn't.

[Atanarjuat]

Yep. Looks fake. Too bad, she was cute.

PSA: LADIES, FAKE BOOBS ARE DISGUSTING. PLEASE STOP. THAT IS ALL.

[generic Brand]

Ladies, Atanarjuat does not speak for all men. That is all.

[Groovus Maximus]

Well, Atanarjuat is 100% correct in his assessment, in retrospect.

[Coeus]

Someone hasn't seen the new crop of porn stars with silicon, in-thru-the-navel, under-the-muscle boob jobs, has he?

[Groovus Maximus]

1) I don't watch pr0n, lad.

2) The procedure you reference, yes I have, but I would sooner die than be complicit in allowing a woman to sully her bosom in such a manner.

As the Dread Pirate Roberts said, "There is a shortage of perfect bosoms in the world, and it would be a shame to damage yours."

[Coeus]

You have got to be kidding me. The only way to tell they're not real (when they're not bouncing up and down really fast) is that they look too pert. If you didn't know they were legal, you'd think they were the boobs of a 16 year old.

[Resto Druid FTW]

Nice Princess Bride reference Sir. +100 internetz

[Francisco d Anconia]

Completely agree with Atanarjuat. More than a mouthful is a complete waste. Smaller is better.

[Marshall Gill]

I used to think such silly things. Then I married a woman with DDD's. Somehow anything less than more than two handfulls just seems inadequate.

[Francisco d Anconia]

My wife has big tits. She doesn't particularly like them as she is very active and they get in the way. They are wasted on me.

[Ice Nine]

Truly tragic.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Too bad you can't donate them to someone who really needs em.

[Jordan]

Some look good, but definitely not those.

[Whiterun Guard]

There's only one way to be sure.

Submit a request to the NHS for her surgery record.

[Groovus Maximus]

LOL! Fool! The NHS would never waste money on elective surgery!

[Whiterun Guard]

Hey, I'm not calling that wasting it!

[John]

Total boob job. She had no boobs in the pic on the right. No amount of push up bra was going to make those look big.

That said, she had a very good one. Went for a size that fit her figure. That is one of the best pair of fake boobs I have ever seen.

[Jerry on the road]

Except her right nipple seems to be pointing skywards?

[Lord Humungus]

it's praying... to the sun god.

[John]

She was so flat chested before the implants that is probably unavoidable.

[Art Vandelay]

Agreed. Too many women go way beyond what they should.

I'd be quite happy with those boobs - big enough to give me something to hold on to, but not too big that they become disgusting as she gets older.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Yes. Too bad. At least she didn't go overboard.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Frankie Sandford's curvier cleavage sparks boob job speculation

Who is this transgendered boy, and why do we care?

[sarcasmic]

Man cooks and eats dove that broke its neck flying into his window. Warden plans to press charges.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2012/1.....-with-law/

[sage]

Are you finished?

[Fluffy]

People put a lot of effort into trying to figure out why middle class real incomes started to stagnate after 1972.

Obviously changes in manufacturing employment patterns had an effect.

Obviously automation had an effect.

Clearly Nixon abandoning the gold standard, and allowing the continual expansion of the money supply to transfer wealth to the financier class, had an effect.

But I also think that one unsung factor was the ending of the Homestead Act in 1976. Before 1976, any citizen could share in the wealth of our common lands just by walking up and applying. After 1976, that was no longer true. Around that time, the states started cracking down on uses of state land, as well.

So after 1976, most citizens were no longer able to use the assets of public lands to improve their condition. Public lands became what they had always been in the past: royal game and timber preserves.

That HAD to have some non-zero impact on social mobility overall.

[John]

That is interesting. The only problem is that most of the good public lands had already been taken. There wasn't much left beyond desert and Alaska wilderness by 1976.

But what does that have to do with roasting doves?

[Fluffy]

Because the guy is being charged with violating game laws because a dove kurt cobained on his property.

I think this is emblematic of a shift in perception nationally over the last 40 years where public resources were something anyone could use if they were fallow to something owned by the state that you must pay for even if it flies on to your property and kills itself.

[sarcasmic]

Here in Maine it used to be that if you hit a deer or moose with your car, the meat belonged to the state.
Then someone sued saying that if the animal is property of the state, then the state needs to fix the car since it can't control its property.
Now you have the option to keep the meat, but the state still won't fix your car.

[Francisco d Anconia]

That's a fantastic argument.

[Restoras]

That's brilliant.

[John]

Oh ok.

When I was in law school I had a public land law class taught by a big wig attorney at the Sierra Club. I have told this story before. But it is worth retelling. One day he was extolling the virtues of the Nature Conservancy buying up land and taking it out of production forever. I pointed out that there used to a system were large areas of land were kept fallow and ordinary people were not allowed to take so much as a stick of wood out of it or shoot game larger than a rabbit. It was called feudalism and the land in question belonged to the King. I swear to God I thought he was going to have an aneurism. He was one of those laid back western hippie types who never seem to get upset about anything. Boy did he get upset about that. God did he hate me after that.

[sarcasmic]

or shoot game larger than a rabbit

Serfs had more freedom than us!

[VG Zaytsev]

But his intentions are pure and the kings' were not.

[Drake]

Did this guy get to fuck his students' wives on their wedding night?

[Francisco d Anconia]

And there is the moral dilemma with public land...

...who gets to do what with it?

[Citizen Nothing]

So you're against allowing organizations to buy land and do whatever they want (including "nothing") with it?
Say what you will about the Nature Conservancy (I'm a life member, by the way) but they're willing to pony up the dollars to BUY the land they want.

[Francisco d Anconia]

So you're against allowing organizations to buy land and do whatever they want (including "nothing") with it?

How long are the provisions in effect? Seems wrong, to me, to tie up property rights of future owners. Your great, great grand kids might discover unobtainium on the property and never be able to take advantage of it because someone 150 years ago thought it was better to leave it natural than to mine a mineral that has the potential to significantly change the world for the better.

Do what you want with your property, but don't dictate to future generations what to do with theirs.

[Citizen Nothing]

So you're against corporate ownership of property?

[Francisco d Anconia]

Did I say that somewhere?

As I understand it, once in a conservancy, always in a conservancy, legally speaking. A corporation would have no such restrictions. Am I mistaken?

[John]

CN

I am against perpetual ownership of property. Since the Nature Conservancy can last forever and has specific rules that bind the use of the land, it amounts to a restraint on alienation.

[Citizen Nothing]

So F'dA for, and John against.
I don't know that there is any law, F d'A, that says once in a conservancy, always in a conservancy. I would imagine the trustees of an organization, or board of a corporation, could, at some future date, vote to do whatever the hell they wanted with the property. Although I'd imagine the situation would have to be unusual, indeed, for an organization like the Nature Conservancy to decide the best use for a forest would be mining it.

[Citizen Nothing]

These arguments, to me, sound a lot like the leftists' arguments against corporate "speech."
I and a lot of like-minded individuals want to band our resources together and buy land -- from willing sellers -- for conservation. You don't like it? Fuck you.

[Citizen Nothing]

If it makes you feel better, I'd be happy to ban "in perpetuity" clauses in property transactions.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Are you mad bro?

The way I understand it, by signing up with a conservancy, you are essentially selling your right to do what you wish with your land to the state in return for tax breaks, etc... However, after you die, the land can have different "owners" provided the new owners comply with the rules YOU agreed to.

Are you not forcing your will upon the future owner and diluting his property rights? You may argue that the new owner knows the conditions upon which the sale is made and it is therefor a voluntary transaction, but what if everyone signs their property rights over to the state? You have effectively done away with property rights, haven't you?

Now if you want to sell/donate your property to the state, that's a different matter. They can only do with it what the law provides for. You dictating what your land is used for after you no longer own it is exercising a privilege that you don't have a right to. IMHO.

[Tulpa (LAOL-PA)]

So you're against allowing organizations to buy land and do whatever they want (including "nothing") with it?

It doesn't seem that John is proposing a coercive remedy. He's just saying the Nature Conservancy is a bad idea.

[Isaac Bartram]

There seems to be some confusion here between The Nature Conservancy, an organization which buys property outright for the purposes of preserving it in a "natural state"* and a Conservation Easement, a legal instrument by which a land-owner encumbers his land such that any development or use by any buyer, successor or assign is highly restricted for the purposes of preserving it in a "natural state".

Both entail completely voluntary actions on the part of the participants but Conservation Easements do impose a duty on future owners of the land to abide by them.

But then so do Subdivision Covenants to bind a buyer to all kinds of limitations in their use or enjoyment of the land.

The answer, when buying property, is to make sure it does not come encumbered with any obligations you do not wish to assume. A proper title search should reveal any such encumbrances.

*Much of the land The Nature Conservancy buys is the donated or sold to various public agencies to be include in various state or federal or other nature preserves.

[Isaac Bartram]

I suppose that it is possible that both Conservation Easements and Subdivision Covenants do raise questions about whether they are a de facto fee tail.

Fee tail is a form of land title whereby ownership can only be conveyed in very particular ways, usually by inheritance by the heir to some title or other familial right. But it can mean an entailment of other rights of conveyance. IIANM it is illegal in every US state and territory.

Also, FWIW, the SCOTUS has ruled, I don't know the case, that certainly covenants are strictly forbidden. For example any that restrict sale to a particular racial or ethnic group. When I had a job where I had to examine a lot of deeds, it was something of a revelation to me how many properties in Central Florida contain a clause forbidding selling the land to "a member of the Negro Race" or some such language.

[tarran]

But what does that have to do with roasting doves?

Attitude. It used to be that windfalls belonged to people whose property they fell on, or who found them (if on unowned land). Now, the attitude is unless you have explicit permission to a windfall it ain't yours.

[NoVAHockey]

this guy essentially poached the king's deer.

[Fluffy]

Right.

How do we know the peasant is a poacher?

Because he has the deer.

He can claim the deer died on his property all he wants. The crown is not amused.

[John]

Peasants were not allowed to take any game larger than a rabbit or a crow and never any game birds. Even if they were starving. We really are the Ancien Regime.

[tarran]

TARRAN OVERGENERALIZATION ALERT

The modern progressive movement really got its push when aristocrats that were losing their privileges due to the growth of the free markets and the social disruption of the industrial revolution started promoting it.

I suspect that these aristocrats were latching on to a political system that would once again put them in charge of the vulgar masses.

And predictably the success is bringing back a new form of feudalism.

[SugarFree]

I doubt it was conscious. More like when you could still amass wealth without the government draining it away, your kids grew up shiftless and idealistic. Progressive ideals appeal best to those who have never created anything of value or worked a day in their life.

[Enough About Palin]

In Poland they were not even allowed rabbits or crows. They got nothing.

[Francisco d Anconia]

And liked it.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Would have been much better to let it rot in his yard than take advantage of the meat. Humans are evil and Gaia needed that sustenance to perpetuate the circle of life, of which humans are not a part.

[The Hammer]

He deered to kill a King's dare?

[Drake]

The general rule - never post any activity on the internet if you want to avoid the attention of our feudal overlords.

[sarcasmic]

When my father was in elementary school he would take a shotgun with him so he could shoot squirrels for dinner on the way home.

Today that would make him a terrorist.

[Cyto]

My father tells the same stories. He had a nice little .410 double-barrel with a .22 rifle underneath. Shot squirrel, rabbit, raccoon, whatever they could get. That game plus catfish from the Mississippi were the main source of protein for the family.

That's why he never took us hunting. He went to college and worked hard so that we wouldn't have to hunt small game to live. Funny how your life experiences change you. I've always viewed hunting as a recreational pastime to connect with your past. My dad views hunting as a badge of shame because they were so poor they couldn't afford to buy meat when he was a kid.

[Cyto]

My father tells the same stories. He had a nice little .410 double-barrel with a .22 rifle underneath. Shot squirrel, rabbit, raccoon, whatever they could get. That game plus catfish from the Mississippi were the main source of protein for the family.

That's why he never took us hunting. He went to college and worked hard so that we wouldn't have to hunt small game to live. Funny how your life experiences change you. I've always viewed hunting as a recreational pastime to connect with your past. My dad views hunting as a badge of shame because they were so poor they couldn't afford to buy meat when he was a kid.

[Ice Nine]

Frankie Sandford's curvier cleavage sparks boob job speculation

That is to cleavage as the Grand Canyon is to earth fissures.

[VG Zaytsev]

But according to Texas Parks and Wildlife spokesman Steven Lightfoot, that was the wrong thing to do.

"It is illegal to possess any wildlife resource that has not been taken legally," Lightfoot explained. "By legal I mean there are certain means and methods? you have to have a hunting license and you have to have the appropriate weapon and ammunition."

Lightfoot says Adams would have had the right to eat the bird if he had legally hunted it and since those weren't the circumstances he should have turned it over to a game warden.

The state agency is now investigating Adams.

And Texas is supposed to be freer than CA.

[R C Dean]

Good example of the "if it is not required it is prohibited" mentality.

Ordinary people wouldn't think picking up a dead animal on your own property was "hunting" that had to be done in accordance with the requirements for "taking game legally."

[sarcasmic]

You're supposed to give it to one of the king's men so they can have it for dinner.

Otherwise they will come and lock you up and steal your property because no one will stop them.

[Pope Jimbo]

I would bet cash money that if he had called a game warden, the warden would have snorted and asked him why he was wasting his time.

It is a dove. There are 3 ounces of meat on it tops?

I wonder who this guy urinated off. There has to be more to this story.

[Zeb]

So, any time you find a dead bird on you r property, you need to call the game warden? That doesn't seem right. What about when your cat catches a bird?

[Heroic Mulatto]

Lightfoot says Adams would have had the right to eat the bird if he had legally hunted it and since those weren't the circumstances he should have turned it over to a game warden.

Who would have cooked it and eaten it himself.

[sarcasmic]

Rolling Stones ready to kick off their Steel Wheelchair tour.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....views.html

[John]

Ron Wood, having the affair with the 20 year old cocktail waitress. Way to go Ron.

[Randian]

Yes sage?

[sarcasmic]

sage can hug a pork chop for all I care

[sage]

Pork chop? Is that a move from police karate?

[LTC(ret) John]

Steel Wheelchair

I must say that one did make me smile.

[Mike M.]

The Stones are so damn old people were cracking that joke over 20 years ago.

[John]

I remember when they did their 81 tour. I was 11 at the time and thought they were old. Now I realize they were actually younger than I am now. When I realized that, I stopped calling them old.

[Rights-Minimalist Autocrat]

I saw them in 94. They were still older than I am now. I feel like a kid.

[LTC(ret) John]

They are a bit on the aged side, yes. I had not heard that joke for so long, it did make me smile, tho'.

[Francisco d Anconia]

I know it's heresy, but I've never really liked the Stones. Respect their longevity, but the music was meh.

[John]

They grew on me. They are about the only white band that can have a beat and groove like the great blues artists.

[John]

The thing about Biden last night is that he was totally trying to appeal to the Dem base. The base of both parties love anger and combativeness because they hate each other. But the 30% of so of the country that is not a part of either base generally hate it. Most of them have this cherished ideal that all of the country's problems could be solved if politicians would just stop being so nasty and get along. Generally that 30% decides elections and this is why candidates tend to be more combative and nasty in the primaries but then go all touchy feely, why can't we all just get along and solve America's problems in the general election. Biden was definitely going for the former.

Two things strike me about that. First, we are in the middle of October and the Obama campaign is having to send its VP out to fire up the base. I don't know how bad that is, but it is not good. Second, Joe is running for the 2016 nomination and may have won it last night. If Obama loses, what are liberals going to tell themselves? They will say he lost because of his debate performance and because he was too smart and aloof and didn't fight hard enough against Romney's lies. Well last night Biden made it so liberals can tell themselves that Biden was different. He fought. He stood up to the evil Republicans. And Romney wouldn't have won if Obama has been like Biden. That will be like crack to liberals. I bet they run the crazy bastard in 2016.

[Auric Demonocles]

He'll be 73 in 2016.

[John]

It won't matter. The Republicans nominated McCain in 08. How old was he? And McCain is in a lot worse health than Biden thanks to the Hanoi Hilton.

[Auric Demonocles]

Just checked, he was 72. And his age was used as an issue. Additionally, the Dems seem be going for a "young, hip" image lately. A 73 year old white guy doesn't really match that. Biden might get it, but I don't think it's a lock. Especially if Obama loses this year.

[John]

I don't think it is a lock. But I think it is a possibility. That they would even consider it, shows how crazy they are.

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

Joe reminded us last night precisely why he only got 1% of the primary voting in '08. 2016 would not be kind to him either.

[John]

But liberals loved him. He was like Air America. I agree, if Obama loses and they run Biden in 2016, get ready for eight years of Romney. Never underestimate how crazy liberals have become. They actually think Biden was super incredible awesome man last night.

[geo1113]

Or Obama might try to become the first African-American to serve two non-consecutive terms as president. If the economy doesn't improve, I can see him campaign theme..."I Told You So."

[invisible furry hand]

so if he becomes the black Grover Cleveland does that mean there'll be a candy bar called the Baby Malia?

[Drake]

It might vote for Obama in 2016 if he gained a 150 pounds and remarried.

[Marshall Gill]

For anyone who thinks that the Dems would never run Biden I have two words for you. Walter Mondale.

[Tulpa (LAOL-PA)]

Which is why Sarah Palin won the GOP nomination in 2012.

[LTC(ret) John]

"Additionally, the Dems seem be going for a "young, hip" image lately."

With whom? Jerry Brown, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton?

[Whiterun Guard]

Ahmedinijad seems to fit the bill...

[NoVAHockey]

my sleeper pick, should he win re-election, would be Sen. Sherrod Brown from Ohio. the base loves that guy.

[NoVAHockey]

my sleeper pick, should he win re-election, would be Sen. Sherrod Brown from Ohio. the base loves that guy.

[Randian]

If I had to hear that voice for an entire campaign season, I'm going to snap.

[Kwanzaa Cake]

I like combativeness, but even I found Biden to be simply obnoxious last night.

[John]

So did I. But liberals love the douche bag faux alpha male righteous anger. Think about the dip shit boy friend in Forrest Gump. That is their ideal man.

[CampingInYourPark]

More comments on FB about this one than the Presidential debate. Looks like the favorite comment is:

Proverbs 29:9 When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, the foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.

[LTC(ret) John]

Nice.

[mr simple]

Yes, they just see it as "calling Ryan out on his lies." This is why it's hard to have a political discussion with one of them without them resorting to trying to shout you down. I don't have that problem with people who aren't die hard leftists. This is what Biden was doing and they love him for it.

[CampingInYourPark]

2 Dems debating each other and proving your point:

http://thehill.com/video/campa.....ing-debate

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Last night, I made a senility crack on one of my lefty friend's posts praising Biden (he happens to be an assistant English professor at UC-Irvine), just to see what kind of response I would get.

Sure enough, he tried to come back with a "I know you are but what am I" remark about Ryan being senile and a Rand disciple. When I pointed out that I wasn't voting for Romney, and that Joe's remark on voting against Iraq and Afghanistan was a blatant lie, his big comeback amounted to: 1) Bush and Ryan lied about WMDs, 2) Bin Laden was killed, and 3) you're supporting Ryan by attacking Biden.

I've already responded to this drivel, knowing that nothing will make this lifelong TEAM BLUE 4EVA!!! partisan actually consider an argument beyond what ThinkProgress dropped in his email. However, it did confirm what I've been saying recently about what an intellectually stultified environment academia has become. He is literally incapable of fathoming how anyone could not agree with his beliefs, and treats those who don't with utter condescension.

[Cyto]

Well,I can agree with him from one perspective. I am literally incapable of fathoming how anyone could honestly hold to the "all wealth belongs to the state" mentality of the progressives.

So at least we have that common ground to build on....

[Francisco d Anconia]

If I hear one more Democrat defend his behavior by saying, "Joe is Joe" I'm going to scream.

So, because Joe is a fucking asshole, it's perfectly okay for Joe to act like a fucking asshole.

Got it.

[Tulpa (LAOL-PA)]

Biden and Manny Ramirez have a lot in common.

[Atanarjuat]

Most of them have this cherished ideal that all of the country's problems could be solved if politicians would just stop being so nasty and get along.

Yeah. My dad says shit like this.

[Randian]

The referenced Stacey Dash video has her saying the exact same thing, something to the effect of "the problem with this country is we're not united!"

Centrists slay me, they really do.

Here's an idea, centrists: we'll get everybody in a room (we'll give it a dome for posterity's sake) and send them as our agents to go hash out the governmental issues of the day.

And then, because people won't necessarily see eye-to-eye on everything, you must admit, we'll have them form a 'shortcut' label identifier so that you can quickly figure out with whom you more agree.

And then these labelled camps will go to this dome and figure all this stuff out.

Brilliant!

[John]

Saying "we could solve this if we all get along" is an easy way of avoiding thinking about the subject.

The other thing that slays me is when people talk about how "deeply divided" the country is. No, it is evenly divided. But it is not deeply divided. Evenly divided is Bush v. Gore, a close election a few people on the losing side bitch a lot about. Deeply divided is Fort Sumpter. There is a big difference.

[T]

We're moving in the direction of deeply, John. There's not a whole lot of room for compromise between people like us and people who think government is the alpha and omega of society.

[Cyto]

Sure there is. Just look at the last 50 years. We've compromised and the government has take everything. (just haven't realized it because they aren't using taxes to pay for all of it yet....)

[T]

Will there be thunder in this dome of yours?

[Marshall Gill]

Two men enter, none leave?

[Pro Libertate]

I gotta say, for the two seconds of the debate I saw (surfing channels), Biden had a stupid smirk on his face that I wanted to personally remove. I can only imagine the effect that had on everyone not already firmly in the Obamanation camp. It's really easy to piss people off that way, especially when you don't have any substance to offer up.

[Drake]

Me too. I watched maybe 5 minutes. The desire to punch that stupid Mic was overwhelming. Not sure how Ryan resisted for and hour and a half.

[Mike M.]

I'm sure the liberals loved all the interruptions and the crazy faces and stuff last night, but they know full well that he's insane just like everyone else does. He has about as much chance of getting elected president as my dog does.

[Drake]

It's the same routine he performed in the Senate since 1973. He used to mug for the cameras and badger Reagan appointees with accusations of racism during confirmation hearings.

[invisible furry hand]

guerrilla stickers on London underground

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-e.....n-19858746

[Restoras]

I was hoping for the 12 Monkeys graffiti. Still good though.

[Rich]

[As a result of a] deal with an Afghan company, ... a "large number" of the so-called "culvert denial systems" were "not installed or were installed in a defective manner."

Well, at least the Afghan contractors didn't install actual IEDs instead. Better pay 'em a bonus and renew.

[Fist of Etiquette]

NASA's Curiosity rover has discovered a new kind of rock on Mars.

Soft thrash metal with shoegaze blues influences.

[John]

I heard it was more prog with a dash of acid jazz.

[Restoras]

Woohoo! I'm going to the Rush show in Philly tonight!

[robc]

I saw the video of last years tour. Geddy cant hit the high notes on the old songs anymore. The new stuff fits his voice better, but it was sad watching him flail around on the old stuff.

Even with that, it still looked awesome.

[John]

Why doesn't he just take the songs down a key? That is what Sting does when he sings songs like Roxanne. And it works fine. You just bring the whole song down an octave. Of course to do that you have to first admit you can't sing like you used to. Maybe Geddy has issues with that.

[Kurt]

That's what he does; he has no illusions. I saw shows on both this tour and the last one, and thought he sounded great.

I hope Restoras likes the 80's stuff (especially Power Windows)

[Restoras]

I am more excited to hear Clockwork Angels in the second set. I dislike the Power Windows album, however I am hoping that it sounds better live than in the studio.

[Restoras]

Unfortunately, that video was shot on a poor night for Geddy. True, he does not hit the highs like he did when he was much younger, but I can attest that he can still crank it up.

[Randian]

I heard it's five solid hours of chirps and tweets, all arranged by Stanley Kubrick.

[LTC(ret) John]

+1 black monolith

[mr simple]

If you play it backwards you can hear a message from ancient astronauts.

[Groovus Maximus]

You have been listening to that weirdo Greek fella with the wild hair again, haven't you?

[KMA Too]

+1 baklava

Or, should it be +1 gold of the Gods?

[hamilton]

It's kinda specialized, you probably never heard of it. Would you like a locally-cured corned beef sandwich on sixteen-grain challah-inspired roti while you read the article? (Artisinal mayo included at no extra charge for just a $40 donation to the Obama campaign).

[Whiterun Guard]

So it's basically a ripoff of *shels ?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Goddammit, I knew I could count on you assholes to find some obscure group that fit that description.

[Whiterun Guard]

Sorry you just happened to pick a category that I'm unhealthily obsessed with.

With which I'm unhealthily obsessed.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Obsessed unhealthily which with am I.

[invisible furry hand]

The Curse of Sierra Blanca: Nelly arrested by same cops who took down Fiona Apple, Willie Nelson and Snoop

http://www.thestoolpigeon.co.u.....r-bus.html

[John]

Maybe you ought to not take I10 across Texas in a large bus.

[Coeus]

Isn't it awesome how 70% of the country is now basically Soviet Russia in terms of police powers?

[John]

But the police professionalism will keep the powers from being abused. Scalia told me so. And he went to a better school than I did so he assures me that means he is right. Top men you know.

[Groovus Maximus]

In Soviet Russia (and modern day Russia and UKR), at least good, old-fashioned bribery can still get out out of such a pig in a poke.

[R C Dean]

Ever since visiting Panama, I've thought that a mildly corrupt police department (one that will take a bribe to let a minor offense walk) would be preferable to the fanatical goons that we seem to have.

A speeding ticket in Panama costs you $20 on the spot. A speeding ticket in the States costs you hundreds, counting the bump in your insurance rates.

[Lord Humungus]

I have a friend who has traveled extensively though SE Asia - he says any minor trouble with the cops can easily be taken care off with a few bribes.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I have a friend who has traveled extensively though SE Asia - he says any minor trouble with the cops can easily be taken care off with a few bribes.

Yep. And any major trouble can easily be taken care of with bigger bribes. I knew some cops in Bangkok who would happily assassinate anyone of your choosing for the paltry sum of 40,000 U.S.

[Groovus Maximus]

The problem with that RC, and this something with which I will be dealing quite possibly, is once you allow yourself in that type of bartering position, you never know how greedy the corrupt police can get.

Although I have may already heard through the expats network that making "contributions" to prosecutors has the effect of "making things go away," so lubricating the local commerce with a bribe to the officer may be counterproductive and redundant.

UKR these days really is described by its more well-to-do denizens as, and I quote, "Banana Republic." Where I'll be, I should be pretty insulated from that stuff.

[R C Dean]

once you allow yourself in that type of bartering position, you never know how greedy the corrupt police can get.

Yeah, but I'm talking about minor infractions. For what a speeding ticket costs me here, I can pay off 15 or 20 cops to fuggedaboutit.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Tempting, but we all know where it'd end up.

How about just limiting the number of laws?

[Tulpa (LAOL-PA)]

This is what I hate about so many libertarians. They conflate freedom with lawbreaking.

Making lawbreaking cheap and easy is NOT a good thing. It's not like speeding laws are unjust, either.

[Fluffy]

The question of whether freedom is the same as lawbreaking depends on the content of the laws.

In a state with unjust laws, yeah, freedom is found in lawbreaking.

[Francisco d Anconia]

It's not like speeding laws are unjust, either.

Not unjust. Just immoral. The right to swing my fist stops at your nose. If my reckless driving wrongs you in some way, you have the right to take legal action. Until then, leave me alone. Public safety laws are bullshit. I can claim public safety until there is NO liberty left. And you see it happening all around us.

The only purpose of government is to protect our rights. Being safe cannot be a right, simply because it is undefinable and without bounds.

[The Hammer]

The problem with our police is that the federal government bribes them more with grants and toys and asset forfeiture privileges than you could possibly afford to.

[mnarayan]

To be fair, a single county doesn't make up close to 70% of the country.

[Coeus]

You didn't know you were living in a police state? Constitutional protections have been revoked within 100 miles of the border. Which is where 70% of the US population resides.

[Heroic Mulatto]

SHUT YOUR MOUTH TERRORIST! WE MUST PROTECT THE HEARTLAND!

[Cdr Lytton]

Airspace sovereignty is 12 nautical miles vertical? How long before that gets used to turn the rest of the U.S. into a border area?

[Auric Demonocles]

The European Union won the Nobel Peace Prize for its long-term role in uniting the continent

So the US can be expecting a backlog of Prizes soon, right?

[Whiterun Guard]

Not until we get rid of Mexico and Canada.

[robc]

Switzerland questions the basic premise.

[Tulpa (LAOL-PA)]

Get in line behind Napoleon and Genghis Khan. And some other fellow whose name slips my mind.

[The Hammer]

Charlemagne?

[Fist of Etiquette]

The European Union has won the Nobel Peace Prize.

They are just picking names out of a hat.

[John]

It is like they actually think it helps the winner politically or something.

[Citizen Nothing]

Now they're just doing it for the lulz.

[Groovus Maximus]

It's all they have left with any marketable value.

[Rich]

The EU spent its last Euro bribing the Committee.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kickbacks!

[Fatty Bolger]

I think it's a sign they're getting worried about an EU crack-up.

[Pro Libertate]

My thoughts, exactly. Next it will be awarded to Disney.

[The Late P Brooks]

I couldn't resist checking to see what the Morning Jokers had to say about the debate.

Mika did not disappoint: Biden chewed Ryan up and spit him out, in her estimation. Later, she was rendered speechless by the clip of Ryan saying total confiscation of the assets of the plutocrats would fund the country for three months. I think she has a problem (as we all do) comprehending the actual size and scope of the federal budget.

Howard Dean was his usual delusional but forthright self.

[John]

I accidentally flipped by the Today Show this morning. Rachel Maddow was just bubbly about how wonderful Joe did.

I am quite sure that she would be the same if Ryan had interrupted Biden 82 times.

[NoVAHockey]

If 4 weeks out and you're playing to your base, you're internals have to be shit.

[Coeus]

Sarc, You gonna post all those and leave this one out?

Teen bride Courtney Stodden has revealed that she occasionally calls her much older husband 'dad.'
'I accidentally call him 'dad' - you know, Doug-dad, same thing,' she admitted on VH1's Couple's Therapy, while sitting next to Doug Hutchison, 52.

It's better when they do it without having to be told.

[Auric Demonocles]

She looks a bit too aged for 18.

[Coeus]

It's the makeup. She puts it on like she's 14. Or an acne riddled porn star. She took a picture in the tub without it, and all I gotta say is "niiice".

[Auric Demonocles]

SFW?

[Atanarjuat]

Unfortunately, very. I miss inline images.

[Auric Demonocles]

Oh. Not the tub picture. Boo.

[Coeus]

I'm at work, so not posting it, but yes the pic is SFW. (just not when I have people milling around my desk) Just google "stodden tub".

[Auric Demonocles]

...wow. That is a serious difference.

[Coeus]

Right? I'd hit that like the angry fist of a righteous god.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Good lord. WTF is she doing ruining that with pancake makeup?

[Coeus]

She (rightly) thinks it makes her look older. I guess nobody told her that with tits like that, she'd still get served anywhere.

[Groovus Maximus]

It's the turpentine.

[geo1113]

Had to laugh at dad's line "thinking with his heart."

[invisible furry hand]

my favouritist Twitter account strikes gold again:

KimKierkegaardashian ?@KimKierkegaard

Contouring is an amazing way to shape your nose define your cheeks, but only terror to the point of despair develops a man to his utmost.

https://twitter.com/KimKierkegaard

[Citizen Nothing]

Thanks for the recommendation, hand. "Followed" it.

[Lord Humungus]

OT: I'm in the process of designing the metalwork for my new creation: a pentode tube amplifier.

Looking for a name to call my creation. So far I'm thinking "Ampersand" - in memory of our beloved, missing, mythical character.

[Pro Libertate]

Kodos the Executioner.

[Whiterun Guard]

Toobama.

[Pro Libertate]

Wizard of Zod.

[Lord Humungus]

Heh - anyone remember the Wizard of Wor videogame? That rocked - in a early 80s kinda way.

[Pro Libertate]

I liked it and donated many quarters.

[mr simple]

I loved that game. DOUBLE SCORE DUNGEON.

[R C Dean]

Pentode makes me think of the Pentagon.

Why not call it the Joint Chief?

[Archduke Pantsfan]

FUNNY TWEET OF THE MORNING
I stand with Barack Obama because my favorite MOR Indie musicians don't care that he's a drone assassin #90days90reasons

[Ted S.]

MOR MOR MOR
How do you like it
How do you like it

MOR MOR MOR
How do you like it
How do you like your love.....

[robc]

MOR?

MP3 oriented rock?

[Archduke Pantsfan]

That or "middle of the road"

[Ted S.]

Not to be confused with the Pretenders' song.

[T]

Middle Of the Road. Geez, it's like you people never listened to the radio.

[robc]

Wouldnt that be MOTR?

[robc]

Pronounced "motor"

/Im better at acronyms

[T]

Look, man, I didn't create the acronym, I'm just explaining it.

[robc]

I still think MP3 oriented rock is a funny concept. If it doesnt exist, that genre needs to be defined.

[CampingInYourPark]

Biden laughing like a moron creates it's own ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....CtemaHgjyA

[Ted S.]

Is there supposed to be an ampersand in that link? I got sent to Thoutube's main page.

[Randian]

Here's a link that should work.

[CampingInYourPark]

Not sure what's going on there. I got the Youtube link from the same site you posted.

Retry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....CtemaHgjyA

[CampingInYourPark]

oh well

[Ted S.]

Thanks. I didn't know if it was a real ad, or a link to some metal song that people use round these parts as video responses to issues.

[VG Zaytsev]

They should finish is with
"Biden is laughing...are AT you."

[The Late P Brooks]

Dean pulled the "Watch with the sound off, and you can see who's really winning" card, and they ran the tape as he talked.

It looked to me like Biden was doing the rhetorical equivalent of killing snakes, so I'm not sure that really bolstered Dean's claim.

[John]

So Biden won with the important deaf demographic.

[Randian]

They're an important constituency to Dean, as they are the only ones who didn't hear the campaign-sinking "yeaaarrrrgh!"

[LTC(ret) John]

So maybe Dean thought the hearing impaired vote would lean toward Biden?

[wareagle]

with the sound off, you couldn't hear Biden trying to squirm free of the Libya question, one that the administration STILL has not answered with credibility.

[Ted S.]

What about the folks at Planet Deafqueer?

[Joe M]

NASA's Curiosity rover has discovered a new kind of rock on Mars.

Is it 1 x 4 x 9?

[Randian]

WE ALREADY MADE THAT JOKE

[Fluffy]

That joke, you didn't build that

[Groovus Maximus]

That laugh, you never heard it. -)))

[Ted S.]

Biden laughed at it.

[robc]

BTW, speaking of the "you didnt build that" comment, I was watching the 30 for 30 on pro sports athletes going broke.

One of the segements themes was that after going pro players got lots of pressure from people for money because "you wouldnt be there without our help".

None of the players said "I didnt build that" (probably because it was filmed before that comment and I was the only person to make the connection) but it really stuck out to me.

[Ted S.]

Andrew Brandt, who was the salary cap manager for the Packers for several years, had some interesting stories regarding that particular 30 for 30. One of my favorites was of a player (unnamed) who had to be excused from practice in consecutive weeks for the birth of his child.

[Joe M]

It took me more than nine minutes to wade through all of sarcasmic's links.

[NeonCat]

And how much lotion?

[Pro Libertate]

That's on the Moon, people. Buried at Tycho.

[Auric Demonocles]

Also in orbit around Jupiter. Or maybe Saturn.

[Pro Libertate]

Kubrick said the rings were too hard, so Jupiter it is.

[Auric Demonocles]

But Clarke!

[Pro Libertate]

He did what Kubrick told him to do. Wasn't it Jupiter in the book sequels?

[Fluffy]

Yes.

It was actually damn convenient for Clarke, because it let him do the Europa thing.

[Pro Libertate]

He could've used Saturn for the same purpose--Enceladus is a water world, like Europa. Both likely have massive amounts of subsurface water, warmed by tidal heating.

I'd be willing to bet there's some sort of life on one or both of those moons. All the ingredients seem to be there.

[Fluffy]

The Enceladus information became available much later.

2010 worked as a story at the time it was written because the Europa discoveries were relatively new and "cool".

Clarke would have had to guess about an ocean on Enceladus. Granted, he made successful guesses of that type in the past, but Europa was just sitting there on the tee to get driven.

[Auric Demonocles]

Hal shot first!

[Pro Libertate]

HAL: The Early Years.

[Spoonman.]

So the subtext of the VP debate appears to be that Biden acted like a 15-year-old, which I can't imagine is very appealing on a 69-year-old racist police state advocate.

[Ice Nine]

And Ryan sounded like one, so it's all good.

[Groovus Maximus]

I have it on good authority that Paul Ryan has indeed hit puberty.

[Ice Nine]

So you're saying that his skivvies were a bit snug?

[Whiterun Guard]

Not after the 'roids...

[The Late P Brooks]

"Additionally, the Dems seem be going for a "young, hip" image lately."

With whom? Jerry Brown, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton?

Ray Lewis.

[CampingInYourPark]

Judge Napolitano weighs in on the debate:

"The Judge then offered his quick assessment of Joe Biden's performance during Thursday night's debate: 'What a jackass!'"

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nap.....a-jackass/

[Ice Nine]

There goes his Supreme Court appointment in 2017.

[Andrew S.]

The Philadelphia FOP is holding a benefit party for the officer that was fired for sucker punching a woman. http://www.philly.com/philly/n.....=124488469

[Rights-Minimalist Autocrat]

John McNesby is a douchebag of the highest order.

[Coeus]

So I was reading Krugnut's delusional wankings, and someone with a trusted account (no moderation) posted the cato takedown of his "auusterity" bullshit. Totally concerned trolled him. I logged in again this morning to see the responses, and Krugnuts just deleted it. No telling how long it took to build up that account, but it's definitely not trusted now.

[John]

He really is the living embodiment of that old Woody Allen joke. "So how did 20th Century society end? A man name Paul Krugman got hold of a nuclear weapon".

What a fucking nut.

[tarran]

The sad thing about Sleeper, is that some of its best jokes didn't age well; People who are younger than 40 just aren't going to have the cultural referents needed to get them.

[John]

It was very topical to New York in the late 60s and early 70s. Same with Bananas. But I still find both of them very funny.

[Pro Libertate]

So do I.

[John]

I would like to just once see Woody Allen on the street and tell him "I really liked your earlier funnier stuff" or whatever the exact rendition of the line the aliens tell him in Stardust Memories.

[Pro Libertate]

It would be hard not to say that. Because it's true. I've liked some of his latter-day movies, but not like the ones from the 70s.

[Mike M.]

Chony Krugnuts has only been writing the same exact thing once or twice a week for about the last three years. It takes an impressive level of craziness to not get tired of doing that.

[The Late P Brooks]

The Philadelphia FOP is holding a benefit party for the officer that was fired for sucker punching a woman.

Is this to make up for the shakedown money he's missing out on by being on vacation?

[HazelMeade]

Stacey Dash is feeling the heat after endorsing Romney. The actress has been receiving a flood of racist and sexist tweets since her endorsement of the GOP presidential nominee.

Displaying the vaunted political tolerance and compassion of leftists and other progressives.
Actually, this is not at all surprising to me as I've experienced them to be the hateful narrowminded mirror of the southern bigots they like to think everyone else is.

The European Union has won the Nobel Peace Prize. At least it wasn't the Nobel Prize for economics...

[Coeus]

The only video of people shouting racial slurs at a Tea Party I've ever seen was liberal protesters yelling at a black man who was attending.

[Randian]

you know, not to have the thread go 'there', but I sincerely doubt that it was the educated ummm...certainly-colored 'progressives' who were calling her an 'oreo cookie bitch'. That kind of racism exists exclusively in one community.

That is all.

[wareagle]

there is a great deal of truth to that. The same un-named community is behind concepts like 'acting white'. But this is what happens when you are treated by your proglodyte white masters as little more than a perpetual child, capable only of tantrums and outbursts, and acculturated to dependency on govt.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Oreo cookies are delicious, just like Ms. Dash!

[Heroic Mulatto]

You're right. The White Knights of Socialism tend to focus on homophobia.

[HazelMeade]

ooops.

The European Union has won the Nobel Peace Prize. At least it wasn't the Nobel Prize for economics...

The ENTIRE thing won the Nobel Peace Prize? Well, they gave Obama one just for getting elected. This thing is starting to turn into the swedish version of Time's Man of the Year. Next Year, Funny Cat Videos will win the Nodel Peace Prize for defusing international tension by making us laugh. Also for cuteness.

[Ted S.]

Norwegian, actually. (The other prizes are awarded by Swedish committees, but Nobel expressly called for a Norwegian committee to be set up to award the Peace prize.)

[CampingInYourPark]

"Because really, who needed a 'Sesame Street' character to grab all the post-debate attention when there was Joe Biden's smile- or laugh, chuckle, grimace, grin, smirk, or 'goofy face,' according to various descriptions?"

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s.....2-04-02-53

Sesame Street's new character to replace Oscar the grouch:

Joe Biden, a.k.a., Bid Turd

[CampingInYourPark]

oops...Big...big

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

I just have to share this, it was like a gift from Cthulu.

Some people were discussing the BLS jobs report on another site, and somehow the topic strayed to the War on Drugs. The following conversation ensued:

DOUCHEBAG: Forest, ending the "war on drugs" is the easy answer, but it is neither the ethical or right answer. Choosing the right is usually not the cheapest.

FOREST: It is the easy answer since it is the ethical answer. Locking up people for non-violent crimes, especially prohibition, is not an ethical answer.

DOUCHEBAG: We can agree to disagree, however after 6 years in the Emergency Medical Field and 32 years in Law Enforcement have proven to me enforcement for prohibition of drugs is the [sic] principaled choice. This includes a stint working as a Drug Endangered Child investigator. Sixteen years has been as a collision investigator including multiple vehicular manslaughter/2nd degree murder convictions where drugs were the proximal cause of the death of the victims.

ME: Was alcohol one of those drugs?

DOUCHEBAG: Those were solely drug. One was a blood alcohol level below .08 about 18 hours after a party. It was the drugs that were the cause. Had plenty that were alcohol related.

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

continued...

ME: In a non-alcohol related fatality, what method was used to determine that drugs were the proximal cause of death?

DOUCHEBAG: Blood or urine depending on the drug and then proving that their impairment was the proximal cause. One case involved a meth freak who was sober at the time of the collision but my investigation found that her cars brakes did not work and had not for some time. Any money she got went to the habit instead of car repair. As a result of not having properly working brakes a six year old boy standing on the street corner waiting for a green light was killed. She fled but was caught two miles away. We were able to document months of vehicle neglect and her habit being the sole reason for not fixing it.

ME: Yep, sounds like government work to me. Did your department share personnel with the BLS? I have to take a snapshot of this discussion. One could wait decades and not receive such a fine gift.

[John]

If you have ever spent any money on drugs at any time during your life, anything bad that happens to you and any bad decision you make is the drugs' fault.

Pathetic.

[Pope Jimbo]

My father was a probation officer (now retired). One of the questions he had to ask new probationees was whether they had ever bought any lottery tickets with money earned from stolen goods.

If they answered yes, he had to file some report to the effect that they criminal was addicted to gambling and all the money that they had stolen was counted as money that was wasted on gambling.

[Drake]

Why do they have to prove it was Meth that prevented her from fixing her breaks?

Wouldn't the fact that she was aware her breaks didn't work make her guilty of some form of negligent homicide - regardless of what she bought instead of brakes?

[sarcasmic]

They have to link the death to drugs.

By blaming the neglected brakes on her drug habit, the death of the kid can be blamed on the drugs.

Now the kid was killed by meth.

Meth caused another death.

Meth is deadly.

[VG Zaytsev]

One case involved a meth freak who was sober at the time of the collision but my investigation found that her cars brakes did not work and had not for some time. Any money she got went to the habit instead of car repair. As a result of not having properly working brakes a six year old boy standing on the street corner waiting for a green light was killed. She fled but was caught two miles away. We were able to document months of vehicle neglect and her habit being the sole reason for not fixing it.

The American Inquisition's Torquemada doing the lord's work.

What a self righteous, delusional, douchebag.

[Troy muy grande boner]

Ahhh. Pigs and legal reasoning. This is why, like Sarc, when one of these pieces of shit blows their own kids away, I don't feel the slightest bit of empathy. None. fuck em. Every god damn one of them.

[Randian]

Kill yourself.

[Coeus]

If all accidents were calculated like that, laptops would be the cause of every single police crash.

[invisible furry hand]

and not doughnut delirium, which is the real cause

[John]

The more the drug war fails the more we need it.

[LTC(ret) John]

Did you ask if D'bag was a member of the WCTU?

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

I believe he was the great grandson of Carrie Nation...

[Ted S.]

You have to link to this. Proof or Not Real.

Besides, if it's recent, I'm sure a lot of reasonoids would love to pile on.

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

continued....

DOUCHEBAG: No we did not share personnel with BLS, we were too busy trying to comfort the mom and dad who lost their six year old son. It happened almost in front of their home and they saw the mangled body of their son. We were too busy trying to help the four sisters and father explain to the autistic son why mommy would never go bike riding with him again. My snapshots have included the residue stains on the pillows and toys of 2 year olds whose parents spilled some of the meth they were cooking in their house and letting the kids sleep and play with those. My snapshots include the upset ER staff when the tox screen for the 2 year old tested positive for meth cuz they lived in a meth lab. The snapshots include both suspects and victims. I will let you discern which I remember most. You are welcome to tell me which I should remember most vividly.

ME: Nice appeal to pity you've got there.

DOUCHEBAG: Several more walls of text trying to extricate himself.

Unbelievable...

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

He didn't seem to appreciate that I pointed out he padded government stats and did mental gymnastics for a living.

[The Late P Brooks]

a meth freak who was sober at the time of the collision but my investigation found that her cars brakes did not work and had not for some time. Any money she got went to the habit instead of car repair.

I suspect she spent money on shoes at some point, instead of getting her brakes fixed,

Her SHOE ADDICTION killed that little boy!

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

I used Laker tickets as an analogy instead of shoes, but he just didn't seem to get it.

[John]

The worst part is this

She fled but was caught two miles away. We were able to document months of vehicle neglect and her habit being the sole reason for not fixing it.

That is the most bullshit legal theory I have ever read in my life. He framed a woman for manslaughter and ruined her life and is proud of it. And some people think it is harsh to believe in a hell.

[sarcasmic]

Believing in hell is stupid. There is no hell. There is no judgment. There is no afterlife.

There is only evil men who do evil things and live long and prosperous lives at the expense of the good people whose lives they destroy.

[John]

And they have a great time doing it sarcasmic and generally die content and peaceful in their beds. If there is no hell, it is probably stupid not to join them in their evil because it certainly seems to pay good wages.

[sarcasmic]

They won't let me into their club because it was rumored that I sold drugs in high school.
There is no evidence, no charges, no conviction. Just a rumor. But that's all it takes.
I cannot be trusted because of teh drugz.

[NeonCat]

Goddamit, sarcasmic, if a drug dealer can be elected President of the United States of America you have no excuse!

Now go out there, join the evil club, and lord it over the rest of us dumb, honest bastards!

[sarcasmic]

The President, because of his record of drugs, would never have been accepted into either the military or the police, nor given a security clearance of any kind.

[NeonCat]

Is that why he seems so pouty? No one tells him anything because they think he'll get high and blab to the heathen Chinese?

[sarcasmic]

That and I have a sense of morality. I would never fit in.

[VG Zaytsev]

That is the most bullshit legal theory I have ever read in my life. He framed a woman for manslaughter and ruined her life and is proud of it.

Taking the douchebag's story at face value, the woman was guilty of involuntary manslaughter aggravated by fleeing the scene of the accident. So I don't know about him ruining her life.

But trying to connect it to some drug use is clearly ridiculous.

Oh and the money spend making that connection was obviously a complete waste of public money. There's one (or more) government employee that could easily be eliminated right there.

[R C Dean]

I'm not sure that she committed vehicular manslaughter. That generally requires some kind of associated unlawful activity. All we know about this wreck is that her brakes failed. Even if she failed to maintain them, it would be a stretch to say that doing so was the kind of gross negligence needed for a manslaughter charge.

Sure, she could be charged with fleeing the scene, but I'm not sure what else.

[Fluffy]

That was my thought.

Essentially this means that if you drive with the Check Engine light on and get into an accident, you're a murderer.

I don't think there is a clear line beyond which you can say the maintenance of a car is so negligent that it's murderous, if the car actually runs, and has working lights and wipers.

Volvos, for example, are notorious for computers that throw off dozens of codes that will give you indicator lights on the dash despite the fact that the car is perfectly safe to drive.

If the car passed inspection and has not significantly deteriorated since you got your sticker, I think you should be entitled to rely on the inspector's certification that the car is safe. Car not safe? Don't give me a sticker then.

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

DOUCHEBAG went on to give more detail that indicates clear negligence:

By her own admission, the older, large Mercedes sedan she owned and was driving had bad brakes and they had been that way for several months. As she approached the intersection the signal phased to yellow in front of her. There were two cars in her lane in front of her and she knew she would rear end them because they were too far back from the signal to beat the red light. She decided to quickly move from the center lane to the right lane and then the bike lane and turn into the military housing tract. She figured she could slow enough to then whip a quick left turn and pop out back onto the road and continue northbound, especially since there was no car at leaving the military housing. What she failed to see was the small car in the slow lane. She hit that car which forced it to the right. It then was out of control and ran up onto the sidewalk at the N/E corner killing the 6 year old who was waiting to cross the street. In my subsequent investigation I found she had an identical collision on the freeway several months earlier. The traffic slowed suddenly and she could not stop in time so she moved to the right hoping to make it to the shoulder before rear ending the car in front of her. Again, there was a car next to her and she pushed that car over.

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

If you have worked on cars you know that when you buy brake fluid it is usually in a pint sized can. Service stations buy it in gallon cans because of the volume they do. In the trunk of the Mercedes were SEVERAL empty gallon containers. The inside of the wheel wells were coated in brake fluid. The reason for not repairing the brakes for several months? It was cheaper to put fluid in and when it sprayed out to refill it thereby allowing her to pay for her meth than divert several hundred dollars to a brake job.

I didn't have an issue with the manslaughter determination. She knew her brakes were fucked up, and drove anyway. She even made her moves during the collision based on an expectation that she had bad brakes, and admitted same.

It was the "drug related" issue that pissed me off.

[robc]

Not every state inspects cars.

[Troy muy grande boner]

That is the most bullshit legal theory I have ever read in my life. He framed a woman for manslaughter and ruined her life and is proud of it.

Really John? How can you say that? Maybe he went to a better school of law than you did and you just don't know it. And so his legal reasoning is more better than your legal reasoning.

[Randian]

Somebody's still butthurt that the legal world showed him the door.

[Troy muy grande boner]

Maybe true, but irrelevant. What the fuck does that have to do with the fact that legal reasoning is completely full of shit? Duh!!!!!

[0x90]

Well, yeah, 'cause ya know, drugs.

[The Late P Brooks]

He didn't seem to appreciate that I pointed out he padded government stats and did mental gymnastics for a living.

It's a dirty job, and he obviously loves it.

[invisible furry hand]

Ridley Scott: Blade Runner sequel is no rumour - it's happening

http://www.metro.co.uk/film/91.....z295oyvzJm

[Pro Libertate]

It'll suck.

I think a series set in the film's universe could work, but Scott's probably not able to go back to that trough again successfully.

[John]

I hear Prometheus was horrible. Scott is becoming George Lucas. Maybe he could farm out the project to someone who still has it.

[Auric Demonocles]

I felt like I knew how everything was going to happen because I knew the plot of Alien.

[Troy muy grande boner]

It was visually gorgeous. But the story was like if Tony did the script.

[Tim]

Blade Runner II: Blader and Runnier.

[mr simple]

It's not a rumour ? it's happening. With Harrison Ford? I don't know yet. Is he too old? Well, he was a Nexus-6

Spoiler alert much, Ridley? Geez.

[CampingInYourPark]

"Oct 12 (Reuters) - Did Vice-President Joe Biden shift on the Obama administration's tax increase plan for the wealthy?"

http://www.reuters.com/article.....NQ20121012

[The Late P Brooks]

How does a sequel to Blade Runner even work? Will Harrison Ford spend two hours killing off a parade of junior blade runners who come to bump off his Female Pleasure Unit?

[Tim]

He hides in a fridge from radioactive killer droids.

[Pro Libertate]

Same movie but told from Roy's perspective.

[Tim]

"All those moments will be lost, like guns in ET or Han shooting Greedo..."

[Pro Libertate]

Maybe they should do it like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, with a couple of minor characters. Like the police chief and Gaff.

[invisible furry hand]

Anonymlous reveals itself to be part of the vast US-led conspiracy against that noble, humble hero of the Antipodes:

Hacktivist group Anonymous is distancing itself from the whistleblower Wikileaks following its concentration on the personal attributions of Julian Assange himself and not the fight for freedom of information.

http://www.thecommentator.com/.....-c.twitter

[Groovus Maximus]

You know, "Anonymous" isn't that hard to spell, lass. Much less pronounce. -))))

(giggles)

But normally, your spelling is impeccable, so this must be an anomalous occurance.

[mr simple]

I thought it was just another weird Australian spelling thing.

[Fluffy]

Quick poll:

How many people visit more of sarcasmic's links than Reason's, at least in part because his links are direct?

I am one.

[sarcasmic]

You're going to miss me when I get a real job.

[Randian]

Me too.

[Auric Demonocles]

I probably visit one of his a day. Which is way more than I average with Reason's. And yes, it is largely due to the indirect nature.

Today I did visit the EU one, but that was not a usual situation.

[John]

Me too

[Groovus Maximus]

Sarc and IFH, mos def.

[robc]

Yup.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You lazy bastards.

[LTC(ret) John]

I am one as well.

[mr simple]

Yep, also because they usually have better pictures.

[hamilton]

ditto.

[Loki]

an Afghan company may have led troops to falsely believe that metal bars placed over water drainage systems and roadside holes are effective against implanted insurgent bombs.

Who the fuck would be dumb enough to believe that insurgents would be stymied by metal bars? WTF?

Achmed the Terrorist: "Well I was planning on planting a bomb in this culvert, but Allah dammit, they've placed metal bars over the entrance! Nothing can get through metal, so I guess I'm screwed. Oh well."

[Randian]

Are you kidding right now?

It's a far different thing to have to bring a cutting torch and sit there for 20 minutes hacking through a well-welded grate than it is to set up a quickie IED in a culvert.

Blocking culverts is effective.

[Tim]

What if it rains?

[Isaac Bartram]

That's why you use bars not a plate.

[Isaac Bartram]

Of course, if you use bars or a grate to restrict access to a culvert you then have to have a maintenance crew go out to clean the trash that will inevitably build up on the upstream side or it will become permanently blocked.

You also need to provide a way to open the grate to let the maintenance crew get inside to clear out silt buildup as well. That usually means some kind of a chain and a padlock set up which can usually be cut with a set of bolt-cutters.

That is unless you want include a welder in every maintenance crew who can cut the bars and then weld them back up again when they're done. I guess, in the end, it depends on how much you're willing to pay for security.

[wingnutx]

We set up culvert caps all over Anbar and it worked.

One negative side effect, though, was that the tons of unpoliced garbage would build up against the bars when it rained, and then eventually the road would wash out. Iraqi sanitation FTW.

Locals would also steal the metal, so it had better be attached pretty damned well.

[Isaac Bartram]

I was still composing my comment while you posted yours.

I'm a slow typist and a slow thinker.

🙂

[Pro Libertate]

Could it be like fishing line and birds?

[sarcasmic]

What they should do is put up some signs declaring the roads to be IED Free Zones.

That will make everyone safe.

[NeonCat]

And if they do deploy an IED, we'll send them to their rooms without any boys. That'll put the fear of Allah into them.

[LTC(ret) John]

There is not exactly a lot of equipment floating around the 'stan that can be used to cut a grate like that - it would sort of stick out. It is a simple, passive measure, not a cure all. But even that could not be done correctly, Patton wept.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Delivery suite horror story: Doctors 'killed baby during birth and tried to cover it up with a Caesarean'

I can't wait until doctors like these are civil servents, protected by the full force of the Government.

[Heroic Mulatto]

*servants

[Heroic Mulatto]

*servants

[Groovus Maximus]

I have no words for this. This is beyond appalling.

[Randian]

Groovus, want to weigh in on this one?

[Groovus Maximus]

I think I'll pass on this one. I would want to see a chart before commenting one way or the other, though 28 weeks is a little early to be performing a C-section, though it certainly can be safely done. Something is definitely not right here, and I will be very surprised if licenses are not lost in this case.

What I want to know is why the second obstetrician refused to do the C-sec.

Did he not read the workup about the child's abdomen?

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

"During the procedure, the doctor 'surgically and completely removed' the child's head from his neck and torso. Before handing the little boy named Kaden Travis to his parents, Webb had allegedly 'intentionally concealed' his neck wounds, although the complaint does not specify how it was done."

I just had a horrific Dumb and Dumber flashback. "Pretty bird..."

[R C Dean]

the doctor 'surgically and completely removed' the child's head from his neck and torso.

Ho. Lee. Fuck.

I usually stay well clear of peer review and the doctor's turf (and they know stay well clear of the lawyer's turf, believe me). But if this happened in my hospital, I would not rest until he was off our staff, out of our clinic, and the medical board was giving his license a proctological exam.

[VG Zaytsev]

I can't wait until doctors like these are civil servents

I read that as civil serpents.

[invisible furry hand]

screw civil liability - any JDs want to speculate on criminal liability? My guess, without researching, would be assault on the mother and child destruction (or the statutory equivalent)

[John]

The part where they try to put the head back in is certainly a battery. She never consented to that and it is certainly unlawful. As far as killing the poor baby, that seems to be ordinary negligence and not criminal.

[invisible furry hand]

interesting... down under, what happened to the child could probably trigger criminal liability eg NSW

[R C Dean]

I can't wait until doctors like these are civil servents, protected by the full force of the Government.

As government employees, they will enjoy sovereign immunity, and the only way to get to them will be via the tricksy, tricksy, Federal Tort Claims Act.

[NoVAHockey]

oh fuck is that awful.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That story doesn't sound plausible.

[Drake]

Momma had a baby and it's head popped off.

[Appalachian Australian]

Something doesn't smell right about this complaint; it's very unlikely two obstetricians would decline to perform a C-section unless they both had a good reason for such.

Also, I would be wary of the phrase "doctors killed baby during birth" with a 6.5 month term which clearly had complications.

There will probably be an out-of-court settlement and the truth will never be known.

[The Late P Brooks]

Maybe they should do it like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, with a couple of minor characters. Like the police chief and Gaff.

The noodle guy and J W's bear-headed toy.

[Loki]

If only we had the NHS. /sarc

[mr simple]

Best work out video ever.

[Restoras]

Not enough camel toe.

I suggest thisthis.

[mr simple]

From the NY Times re: the EU Nobel Prize:

But the award also seemed to illuminate competing visions of Europe as both historical unifier and meddlesome overlord, recalling deep strains within the bloc, primarily between Germany and other European nations over Berlin's insistence on austerity measures that have brought pain to Europeans in Greece and Spain particularly.

It's all those damn germans fault for forcing austerity on these poor countries for basically no reason.

From Thorbjorn Jagland, the chairman of the panel awarding the prize:

"There are many things to say about the economic crisis ? where it originated for instance," he said. "It started in the United States, and we had to deal with it."

He added: "It started with Lehman Brothers."

Stupid Lehman Bros forcing those countries to spend more than they brought in to the point where their economies collapsed.

[Heroic Mulatto]

From Thorbjorn Jagland, the chairman of the panel awarding the prize:

"There are many things to say about the economic crisis ? where it originated for instance," he said. "It started in the United States, and we had to deal with it."

He added: "It started with Lehman Brothers."

Well, at least he didn't blame "The JOOZ".

Oh, wait, he totally did.

[Isaac Bartram]

...the economic crisis...It started in the United States...

So, it's still all George Bush's fault.

Why the fuck don't they formally change the name to the "Nobel Prize for not being George W Bush"?

That seems to have been the principal criterion for it for the last few years.

But then, given most of the recipients over the years it should probably have been called the "Nobel Prize for Socialism", especially since WWII.