Court Says NSA Doesn't Have to Disclose Its Relationship With Google
Saying that the National Security Agency has a history of poking its nose into other people's business understates the case — the NSA basically exists to creep the world out with over-the-top and constitutionally questionable nosiness. So, it was no small matter when the NSA and Google, the intersection of most everybody's online life, began chatting in the aftermath of a 2010 cyberattack on Chinese human rights activists. But we're unlikely to learn anything about that relationship soon, now that a federal court has rejected the Electronic Privacy Information Center's freedom of information request for the skinny on collaboration between the spook agency and the tech giant.
The DC Circuit Court of Appeals ruled today the National Security need neither "confirm nor deny" the existence of any records about the agency's relationship with Google, even after such a collaboration was widely reported in the national media.
Specifically, in the ruling (PDF), Judge Brown wrote that the court was persuaded by the NSA's motion for summary judgment, including what sounds like a "we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you" declaration by Diane M. Janosek, NSA Deputy Associate Director for Policy and Records:
The Declaration further explains that if NSA disclosed whether there are (or are not) records of a partnership or communications between Google and NSA regarding Google's security, that disclosure might reveal whether NSA investigated the threat, deemed the threat a concern to the security of U.S. Government information systems, or took any measures in response to the threat. As such, any information pertaining to the relationship between Google and NSA would reveal protected information about NSA's implementation of its Information Assurance mission.
So … Is the NSA working with Google? Is there anything to be concerned about in such a relationship?
The court's decision cites a Washington Post article quoting former NSA director Mike McConnell saying that collaboration between NSA and private companies like Google was "inevitable." So, draw your own conclusions.
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This NSA driven corporatist internet brought to you David Weigel Slate commenter approved. After all, without the government there could be no internet, so I've been told(by people who couldn't put a packet protocol inside a C++ structure if I held a gun to their heads).
Er, weren't the structs replaced by classes in C++?
C++ is a superset of C, so there's both.
I keep thinking of something Greg told me. He said our codes were based on an entirely different system than the Russians, so this box wouldn't really work on them. The only thing it would be good for is spying on Americans.
Google says they're not evil, though, so we don't have anything to worry about.
Besides if you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.
Reason allows google, Google-analytics, google-tagservices, googleapis, facebook and others all known for their tracking using scripts to monitor what Reason users do. If Reason and its users don't care then all hope is lost.
NoScript ftw.
Just to clarify though, I completely agree with your point. That's not acceptable for any self-respecting admin to do to their users, let alone one whose very existence is predicated on the concept of liberty (and the privacy that liberty implies).
I do use noscript which is how I found out about all the wonderful ways google tracks you. By default, google is whitelisted in noscript, you have to remove them from the white list.
It is a shame that so many websites allow google to track their users actions. It shows you that even Reason doesn't give a damn about your privacy.
I also run separate versions of FF for different things I do. I have in the past run different virtual machines for different things, really cutting the tracking down.
I also find that Google "Plus" is one of th things that slows this site down terribly.
It's a good thing Google never ask for like a mobile phone number. Oh wait...
Or wants google maps/GPS to track you... or go through your emails... or ask you to store all your documents on their servers... or create an operating system that can log everything you do.... oh wait. People keep trying to tell me Google are the good guys. I cringe.
I guess you should get an iPhone then. Stick it to the man!
I thought the NSA was a subsidiary of Google. You mean to tell me they're a government entity?
Not sure where you got your information, but it looks like Google is a subsidiary of the Obama administration. Google donations to Obama (yep; I 'googled' it):
"Google Inc $814,540"
Note: "The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates." All nice and legal...
http://www.opensecrets.org/pre.....=N00009638
Who's zoomin' who?
(Oh, and it looks like the reason squirrels have decided to allow copy/paste. GO reason squirrels!)
Your parents allowed you to be born on a planet w/ Google. You have therefore agreed to the Social Contract with them, so STFU.
So lets give those kat NSA something to do:
Bomb ba bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb.
This secret relationship is dangerous.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/
Just remember everybody, it's all for our own good.