FIRE, Firefly, and the First Amendment

Fighting censorship on campus

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|Credit: Firefly poster

James Miller, a theater professor at the University of Wisconsin in Stout, is a fan of Firefly, Joss Whedon's short-lived science fiction series. Evidently Lisa A. Walter, the school's chief of police, is not.

After Miller put a Firefly poster on his office door last September, Walter removed it, explaining in an email message that "it is unacceptable to have postings such as this that refer to killing." She claimed the poster was not covered by the First Amendment, since it "can be interpreted as a threat."

To protest Walter's censorship, Miller put up a poster that shows the silhouette of a cop beating a prone man and bears the message "WARNING: FASCISM." Walter removed that poster too, complaining that it "depicts violence."

When Miller was summoned to discuss "the concerns raised by the campus threat assessment team" with his college's dean, he contacted the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), which intervened on his behalf. The administration backed down after news of the case set off a storm of negative publicity, including widely seen tweets by British novelist Neil Gaiman and Firefly stars Nathan Fillion (who was pictured in the poster) and Adam Baldwin.

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  1. BTW, Anyone who is a fan of the two actors should check out the latest episode of Castle. Adam Baldwin plays a completely unhinged cop in the gangs unit, Sergeant Slaughter.

    “Anytime you want a date that ends in hot sex after a drunken brawl in a bar, call me!”

    You meet a woman like that, you storm the beaches or die trying!

    1. Sounds like he never got Animal Mother completely out of himself.

    2. Just be sure you don’t marry her, or have any kind of a relationship where you expect fidelity.

    3. I watched the episode, but Firefly was so long ago I forgot the connection.

      1. It was kind of fun to see a different dynamic – where Castle is trying to work up the courage to stand up to a guy who is terrifyingly deranged.

  2. Did someone mention Firefly?

    Gratuitous Adam Baldwin pic!

    1. I hope you’ve seen this. Classic.

      1. OMG – that was Adam Baldwin?!?!?!

        1. Yes. He also considers himself a libertarian. You may faint now.

          1. Faint? Nope, but I’ll do something else….

            1. Shall I page your groinocologist?

              1. Shall I page your groinocologist?

                No need for him to get involved!

                1. Carry on.

            2. Be in your bunk?

              1. Be in your bunk?

                Aye

                (damn, shoulda thought of that line!)

          2. We’ve got him and Kurt Russell. Fucking awesome.

            1. Guys, are y’all trying to come out of the closet here?

              1. You know, it’s okay to like other men so long as you don’t want to have sex with them.

            2. Jay Karnes too, tho’ not nearly as cool as Kurt and Baldwin.

              1. Dutch is a libertarian?!? Awesome. Next you’ll be telling me Shane is.

                1. Nope.

                  “In politics Goggins has been active in the Democratic Party; in the 2008 presidential election, he campaigned for Senator Barack Obama, going door-to-door in neighborhoods throughout Los Angeles. He is also known to be a fan of the work of former President Jimmy Carter.”

                  You’re dead to me, Coggins! Do you hear me? DEAD!

                  1. What about Bruce Campbell? Surely he’s one of us.

                    1. Don’t ask questions to answers you don’t want to hear.

                    2. I don’t know about Campbell one way or the other (and that’s the way I’m going to keep it), but I’m going to presume that he talks the good liberal talk to get work, but, in reality, behind closed doors, is a hardcore minarchist.

                      He’s prog for pay.

                    3. What about Bruce Campbell? Surely he’s one of us.

                      The one political thing I ever heard from him was telling Tom Cruise to “Shut up and act.”

                  2. I don’t think the work of former President Jimmy Carter is all that bad. It was Carter’s work before he was former that was a problem. And as long as we understand ‘his work’ to be his physical labor and not his ‘written works’ – that stuff is Superfund site-grade toxic waste.

          3. Weird. Showed that movie to the boy on Friday night. He wasn’t into the film too much until I pointed to Baldwin and told him “That’s Jayne.”

            “THAT’S JAYNE??” Interest piqued. Later…”Adam Baldwin is the most awesome actor in the world!” That’s pretty much a direct quote.

            1. I saw that movie in the theater, dude, and I was young. Like, really young. I loved it.

              1. Yeah, but that was when the fashions and music weren’t fucking ancient. It’s tough to convey that to a 11-year old today.

                Good to see Martin Mull at work, even though he was playing the role as straight as can be. I forgot he was in it.

              2. You got stuffed into a locker, didn’t you? It’s ok, you’re amoungst friends.

                1. Actually, I did get slammed into a locker on Freshman Friday, but I did avoid (narrowly) getting taken into the bathroom for a swirly. That was a frightening day.

                2. I got pantsed at my locker… probably not quite the same level of trauma.

          4. He also considers himself a libertarian.

            I kind of wonder how many of the other Firefly stars consider themselves libertarians? It did have a lot of libertarian/ anti-government authority overtones in it. Probably why Fox decided to cancel it. I could see Fillion being one, and I’m not surprised that the “man they call Jayne” is.

            1. Fox cancelled it because they fucked up its marketing, timeslot, and pilot episode.

              1. Also, the show was a tweener in two categories that haven’t done to well on TV since the 60s: Sci fi and Western.

              2. I know. I probably should have tagged that as sarcasm.

      2. One of my favorite movies.

    2. He doesn’t look 50-years old.

    3. I heard his older brother Alec is also a popular actor. On 30 Rock or something.

      1. They aren’t related.

      2. Yes, but we don’t speak of that one…

      3. You guys are thinking of Steven Baldwin, who was in Usual Suspects.

        A lot of people make that mistake.

  3. Shortest Sullum article ever?

    1. This incident happened last September, too.

  4. Why on earth did we have to click through to read two more measly paragraphs?

  5. So it was not Fox that cancelled Firefly, it was the University of Wisconsin.

    1. It wasn’t the plane. ‘Twas beauty that killed the beast.

      I always wish that at the end of that scene, someone had just interjected, “Uh, no, I’m pretty sure it was falling off the Empire State Building. Gravity’s a bitch.”

  6. You all wanna be looking very intently at your own belly buttons. I see a head start to rise, violence is going to ensue. Probably guessed we mean to be thieving here but what we’re after is not yours. So, let’s have no undue fussing.

    1. “Do you know what the definition of a hero is? Someone who gets other people killed.”

      1. “Eatin’ people alive? Where does that get fun?”

        1. “He was non-specific as to how…”

          1. “A very special level of hell, reserved for child molesters and people who talk in the theater.”

            1. “I’m going to a special hell.”

              1. “I call her ‘Vera.'”

                1. It’s my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sumbitch or another.

  7. This story is seven months old and, I’m certain, has been posted and discussed here previously. Why is this article here today? Did something new happen?

    1. I was wondering the same thing when I saw this article a couple hours ago

      1. Well, it’s from the backpage Artifact section of May issue so, yeah, it’s supposed to be old since that’s the whole point of that section.

        1. Well hell then, how could we Reason online readers be so stupid?

  8. Seriously, can someone open up trade with the universe where Firefly wasn’t cancelled?

    1. The cancellation of Firefly is further evidence that we are in the darkest timeline.

      1. Speaking of the darkest timeline, did anyone else enjoy Stargate SG-1 but continually seethe at the believable but incredibly presumptuous handling of the whole thing by the USG?

    2. FOX had the audacity to run firefly clips during their 25th anniversay special — the section on all the great sci-fi they have aired over the years.

  9. unless professor miller owned the door, then the university had every right to remove…anything.

    1. It’s not about their right, but if it was right. Also, if the state funds the library, the government is held to a different standard.

    2. Has it occured to anyone else how odd it is to have o3, shrike, tony, derider etc show up here on a regular basis for no particular reason other than to annoy and occasionally try to present an absurd argument in a serious light? Really, what do socialist shitheads expect to achieve by hanging out on a Libertarian site?

      I would be shocked to find out that they log on in an acorn/truth squad/attackwatch! office somewhere. Seriously.

      1. Uh, they’re sockpuppets. Specifically designed to get you to argue with them by pushing your buttons. If you argue with them, you are a fool. Don’t be that guy.

        1. He never “met” Chad. That was pure artistry.

        2. I have to admit, I have been that guy in the past. I am over it now.

      2. ACORN? nope, try the NBPP.
        libtarians are my favorite republicans…the smart ones.

      3. what do socialist shitheads expect to achieve by hanging out on a Libertarian site?

        Interesting debate with people who disagree with me. What do you hope to achieve by engaging in an intellectual circle jerk? Validation?

        1. I think you have a different definition for the word ‘debate’ than I do.

          1. Perhaps, but how will you learn that you’re wrong about everything if all you do is pay attention to arguments you agree with?

            1. Obviously you haven’t learned anything. So…

  10. I remember vaguely that once back in the seventies? a cult of moonie-like wierdos moved into some rural county and took it over. They outnumbered the locals so they got themselves elected to offices and just took the place over.

    I fantasize that one day Libertarians, fiscal conservatives, freedom freaks and other such wierdos will do the same thing but on a state level. Lisa Walter and her shitty ilk will not be invited. But….thats just my fantasy. *Sigh*

      1. It is fucking cold there and it is a tiny place. Hell, I can throw a rock across it. Not that I dont applaud them, but I vote for Louisiana instead. I think many of you would be surprised at how much potential this place has for success as a free state. And, the fishing is damn good.

        1. It’s only cold in the winter, dumbass. In the summer, the lakes are glorious. Unlike fucking Washington, where even in the summer the lakes are painfully cold and the ocean too. Which is why I go to Hawaii.

          1. Is winter there like winter in Minneapolis? Nine or ten months of the year?

            1. No. God damn, you southerners know nothing about New England.

              1. I’ve been there many times. I stepped into the Atlantic in Maine in August. It was fucking cold.

                1. Oh, you bet it is. I was sailing off the Maine coast in August one time, and we found an inlet, and went in as far as we could without grounding. We then jumped in to bathe. Even as far in as we had gone, I still screamed like a little girl when I hit the water, it was so cold. We didn’t wear life vesst, because what was the point? Your survival time was about five minutes.

                  Don’t fall overboard.

                  1. That’s why god made wetsuits.

              2. Truth. Also, they somehow think the heat is livable. Chicago, CT and Montreal have all proven much too hot and humid for my liking in summer. LA? I think not.

              3. “you southerners know nothing about New England.”

                And, for good reason. Christ, I had to spend two weeks in new york once and nearly starved to death. When are you people gonna learn to cook?

                1. I don’t really know how to respond to a statement this stupid.

                  1. I don’t really know how to respond to a statement this stupid.

                    I was curious how you would respond to this.

                  2. I was half joking. You know what epi, you can be a nasty piece of work sometimes. Fuck you shitbird.

                    1. Don’t get mad, dude. I just really didn’t know how to respond to a statement that you couldn’t get good food in New York. You can get any food in New York. And have it delivered.

                    2. I once spent two weeks in Naples, and I never found a single decent pizza. Not a single deep dish stuffed-crust barbecue chicken pizza anywhere!

                    3. I wasnt in NYC, which I understand is a food paradise.

                    4. Where’s the best place to get boudin in NYC?

                    5. You can get any food in New York.

                      I bet you cant get a decent hot brown.

                  3. While respecting Epi’s choice not to reply to this insanity, I must point out that New York is not in New England. Ahem.

                    Also…wow.

                2. And, for good reason. Christ, I had to spend two weeks in new york once and nearly starved to death. When are you people gonna learn to cook?

                  The place my mother first settled when she landed in this country was Louisiana. She lost 25 lbs in the first three months.

                  Asking someone who grew up in Prague to eat candied yams was… just too much.

              4. Yeah, apparently when people talk about how great it is that the New England states are so white, we dumbass southerners just assume you are talking about snow.

                1. (I don’t think most southerners think of New York when you say “New England states” – we think of Vermont and New Hampshire and Rhode Island and Connecticut and whatever the hell else them little states up there are. Kinda like most yankees don’t consider themselves yankees – “yankees” are from somewhere up northeast no matter how far northeast you go. Except Maine. But Maine may not even be a state; don’t they call them provinces up there in Canadia?

                  1. But Maine may not even be a state; don’t they call them provinces up there in Canadia?

                    My grandfather (born 1893) used to tell how growing up in Bar Harbor they had more contact with people in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick and thought of themselves as almost a British colony than part of the United States.

                    On a similar vein, I had a history professor at Regina University who told about growing up in Nova Scotia in the twenties and how a lot of the oldtimers were still bitching about getting sold out and being forced into Confederation with Canada insted of becoming part of the US.

                    Canada is to a large extent artificial. Lines of communication are North-South rather than East-West.

                    When I lived in Saskatchewan I was surprised at how many people had close family right across the border in North Dakota or Montana. It was expected that everyone would cross back and forth to help out on each other’s farms.

          2. “It’s only cold in the winter, dumbass.”

            I planted my tomatoes and okra on march 10, I already have tomatoes, they just arent ripe yet. The okra is 2 ft. tall. The yellow squash is starting to put on as well.

            Actually, I just looked up the weather from march 10 in NH and it wasnt bad. Hmm.

            1. This year was weird. There’s usually 3 feet of snow on the ground March 10th. Anyway, lack of winter leads to weak moral character. I just planted peas and spinach and radishes.

            2. Well if you’re interested in planting crap nobody wants to eat then NH probably isn’t for you. My parents bought a cabin up near Lancaster last summer and have been fixing it up. I think they’re planning to migrate up permanently sometime down the road. It will be a nice place to inherit.

            3. I already have tomatoes, they just arent ripe yet.

              Three words: fried green tomatoes

              1. Yum, with shrimp remoulade.

                  1. It doesn’t matter what fancy French words you put with the bugs, you’re still eating bugs.

                    1. I’ve heard tell some high-falutin’ NYC places have snails on the chalkboard.

                    2. Well, that means no lobster for you, either.

                  2. I will eat shrimp, lobster, crab, whathaveya, but I draw the line at crawdads. Call them crayfish or crawfish or mudbugs or whatever, they are still crawdads, and I aint eatin em.

          3. Yeah, summer is great. But the ocean is still cold. And the smallness was a selling point for the Free State idea.

          4. The biggest problem with NH is that it’s landlocked away from the rest of the country by NY and MA, which are two states I try to avoid at all costs, simply due to their absolutely atrocious gun laws.

        2. But that’s where they chose, and for very good reasons (one of which is that it’s small, I might add). You said you fantasized about this very thing, not that it had to be in some pestilent swampass sweathouse nightmare like LA.

          1. True, I did, and again I applaud them.

            “pestilent swampass sweathouse nightmare like LA.” – Good lord woman, where are you from? True it is hot here, but not as bad as all that.

            1. To me, “hot” is 65+

              And I’m from Minnesota & Vermont – why do you ask? 😛

              1. To me, “hot” is 65+

                Ahh, a woman after my own heart. Or the other way around, whatever.

            2. BTW, I live in Northern Virginia nowadays, and last summer purt’near killed me.

              1. Yikes, you would find this place a “pestilent swampass sweathouse nightmare” I am sorry to say. Summers are 100+ and humidity to match.

                Two weeks ago my stepson called me and told me that he forgot to pay his speeding ticket in the little town close by here. When I asked him what the court date was on the ticket he said ” There is a court date?”. Turns out he was five days past the court date. So…..I went into town and introduced myself to the chief of police and told him the story of what happened. He said ” oh hell, just pay the ticket and I will cancel the warrant and contempt charges. Say, dont you live on bayou rigolette? How is the fishing this year?”
                I paid the ticket and spent an hour talkiing about fishing with the guy.

                Dagny is right, this is a ‘dont fuck with people and mind your own business’ kind of place. Sorry about the heat, but I still vote for La.

                1. Same thing with a speeding ticket would happen in small town anywhere. You could try the same technique in New Orleans proper, and I doubt you’d get the same result. Might even get a skull thumpin for your trouble, from what I hear of NOLA po-pos.

                  1. NOLA? Fuck that place. The state constitution is filled with exceptions for new orleans parish. The crime is unbelievable, the corruption rampant. I dont consider it part of La and pray daily for another Katrina, but for it to hit on the west side this time. Just Wash that fucking blight off the face of the earth.

                    1. Well, NOLA is part of Louisiana, so if you want to have a Southern-fried Free State Project down there, you’d have to find some way of dealing with that 800-pound gorilla.

                      NH has the advantage of having no truly big cities. Manchester is a mid-size city, if that. Easier to overcome the idiocy of Masshole transplants.

                    2. I had never looked closely at the free state project before and my initial reaction, though not all that serious, was mistaken. I see the wisdom of choosing NH. Montana and Wyoming would also be good choices.

                      Actually New Orleans would have to lose a hell of a lot of weight to be an 800 lb gorilla. *sigh*.

                    3. Montana and Wyoming are also fine choices. Now, being a New England ski snob, I definitely prefer the more macho icy skiing NH has to offer, but I suppose I could deign to ski on champagne powder if I really had to.

                    4. Being a NE ski snob is like being a conneisseur of deep dish pizza.

                    5. I’ve lived in NH for many moons. I like the lifestyle. I like traditional Yankee frugality and self-reliance. I like that the people, for the most part, are reserved and mind their own business. I don’t want “community”. I want to be left the fuck alone.

                      The winter? Fuck winter. Fuck the 18 hour nights and the snow. I still prefer the weather in Bangkok, because I’m a cold-blooded Illuminati Zionist Elder Lizard Person.

                    6. like that the people, for the most part, are reserved and mind their own business.

                      This is what I like, too. Vermont is the same.

                      Mainers, however, are just downright fucking weird & unpleasant. At least after Labor Day.

                      The major problem I have with Southern culture is the in-your-face solicitude and hospitality. It’s too much for me. Leave me the hell alone, dammit!

                    7. The major problem I have with Southern culture is the in-your-face solicitude and hospitality. It’s too much for me. Leave me the hell alone, dammit!

                      Heh. I can recall being in Charlottesville one time and a store clerk chatted me up about where I was from, etc.

                      My initial reaction was suspicious and slightly paranoid and I then realized that he was being nice and south’n and that I had lived in DC for too fucking long.

                    8. Heh. I remember walking down the street in the University District in Seattle. It was 9 am on a Sunday and this guy drove by and honked at me. I jumped! I was thinking “What the hell does this guy want?” He smiled, waved, and then drove on by.

                      I then told my friend, who moved from NH to Seattle about what occurred. He smiled and told me that that was just “being friendly.”

                      Fucking weirdos.

                    9. I loved watching Jerseyites and other yankee types walking across the GT campus. Them getting paranoid and freaking out at all the “heys” directed their way.

                      It took me a while to get used to, we arent deep south friendly to strangers in KY.

                    10. NOLA doesn’t particularly care to be associated with the rest of LA either. Perhaps an amicable divorce would be best for everyone.

        3. I believe I could get down with some Louisiana. Those swamps the Swamp People inhabit look like a mind-your-own-business and also a let’s-go-shoot-some-fuckin’-gators kind of place.

          1. It is very much a ‘mind your own business’ kind of place. I wouldnt know my closest neighbor is he walked up and bit me on the ass. I have never laid eyes on the guy.

            If I werent already married Dagny, I would offer to make you some sauce picante….

            1. It is very much a ‘mind your own business’ kind of place. I wouldnt know my closest neighbor is he walked up and bit me on the ass. I have never laid eyes on the guy.

              Meh, I live 27′ from my neighbor. I’ve never seen him. The one on the other side is actually closer. I would know him because I see him making omlettes in his kitchen.

              1. Yeah, but Paul, you live in, like, White Center or something, right? You deserve what you get. Or was it Renton?

                See, I live in Belltown. And I deserve everything I get.

                1. Yeah, but Paul, you live in, like, White Center or something, right? You deserve what you get. Or was it Renton?

                  West Seattle, son, West Seattle. My crime comes from White Center. And Highpoint. Big difference.

                  1. I live on the main corridor between whitecenter and the rest of civilization. I used to call my street “Domestic Violence Alley”. In the first few years I lived there, people driving through would pull over and start wailing the fuck out of their girlfriends. Had to call 911 on a guy once who was closed-fist hittin’ his girlfriend. When he was finished, he left her crying ass at the bus stop and continued driving south…

                    Other than the continuous breakins and thefts, it’s a really nice neighborhood.

                    1. Wow, Paul. It sounds like there is nothing wrong with that place you couldnt fix with a couple of matches…..yikes.

                    2. Had to call 911 on a guy once who was closed-fist hittin’ his girlfriend. When he was finished, he left her crying ass at the bus stop and continued driving south…

                      Wow, Paul. It sounds like there is nothing wrong with that place you couldnt fix with a couple of matches…..yikes.

                      Don’t you southerners call that a family reunion?

                      *ducks*

                    3. Had to call 911 on a guy once who was closed-fist hittin’ his girlfriend. When he was finished, he left her crying ass at the bus stop and continued driving south

                      And you didn’t pound the shit of the guy because…

                    4. And you didn’t pound the shit of the guy because…

                      Because.

            2. The food is clearly another huge selling point. I love me some okra.

              1. I think we would get along famously.

              2. NOTHING is delicious quite like gooey fried okra. Mmmmmm, just like snot.

                1. Pick them when they are little-finger sized, boil them with some chicken stock and bacon….
                  christ they are slimy, but I could eat my weight in them.

                  1. Fried pickles. Fried green tomatoes.

          2. It’s like the tropical version of backwoods Canada then? Just swamp people instead of Eskimos.

        4. Louisiana is WAY TOO FUCKING HOT AND HUMID. Fuck all that shit.

          1. I went in early July once. I was bad, but you sort of get into a “I’m sweaty and smell like a horse cock slathered with garlic” groove and get used to it. Sort of.

            1. I was bad, but you sort of get into a “I’m sweaty and smell like a horse cock slathered with garlic” groove

              I thought that was our little secret, Saccharin Man! Bitch!

        5. Idaho has a lot of potential as well. People are very friendly, and for the most part they also respect that people want to be left the fuck alone.

          The winters in Boise are pretty mild, but you can drive to decent skiing in 40 minutes and outstanding skiing in 2 hours. There are a lot of lakes and rivers for those that like to fish, and there is a ton of hunting as well.

          It gets hot during the summer (regularly in the 90’s) but it there is very little humidity so it feels at least 10 degrees cooler than it would if it was more humid.

          The biggest drawback is that the feds own most of the land in the state.

      2. Free West Alliance (same idea, only with Montana, Wyoming and Idaho as targets).

        Free State Wyoming.

    1. You’re probably thinking of the Maharishis

    2. That was Antelope, Oregon A/K/A Rajneesh, that was briefly taken over by the followers of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, who had paid $5.75 million for a ranch to develop a commune. Once the population of the commune out-numbered the locals, the locals decided democracy wasn’t such a hot idea after all. I have heard that they have since returned to the fold, however, now that the hippies have left. Apparently majority rule is great only so long as you are a member of the majority. Funny how that works.

  11. Cancelling Firefly was a crime.

  12. Wisconisin? That’s Reaver territory! Nothing in the Verse can make me go there.

  13. If Firegly wasn’t canned wouldn’t everyone be complaining that it sold out?

    1. Firergly?

      1. Ferngully?

      2. Ferngully?

      3. Ferngully?

      4. Ferngully?

        1. Damn squirrels!

          1. Squarrels?

  14. including widely seen tweets by British novelist Neil Gaiman and Firefly stars Nathan Fillion (who was pictured in the poster) and Adam Baldwin.

    +1,000,000 internets each to Nathan Fillion and Adam Baldwin

  15. British novelist Neil Gaiman and Firefly stars Nathan Fillion (who was pictured in the poster) and Adam Baldwin.

    You do not want to get on the wrong side of Jayne Cobb.

    1. Oh yes I do! RAWR!

  16. I want a ship like the one in the Firefly film Serenity.

    If I had one, I would grab a case of beer and my monocle( would be ok because the fuzz couldn’t catch me) and fly around in it drinking beer and terrorizing the fuck out of guys with round glasses and ponytails. Especially if they were carrying a fucking MAN PURSE!

    1. balding guys with round glasses and ponytails.

      I had a couple of college humanities profs that fit that description. Luckily I was an engineering student, so I didn’t have to take too many courses with them. Otherwise I’m not sure I could have contained the urge to use their very punchable faces for what God (or whatever) clearly intended them.

      1. I had a Finance professor with that look. Hippie Finance professor.

        1. Was it shrike?

      2. I have noticed that most here are in the hard sciences, law, or professions that are of practical use.

        Do we hvae any humanities majors at all here?

        1. B.A. in Humanities with a minor in Classics. M.A.T. in English and English as a Second Language. Ph.D. in Applied Linguistics.

          1. HM, Aside from reading ‘metaphors we live by’ and ‘philosophy in the flesh’ by Lakoff some years ago, I know practically nothing about linguistics or those who study it. I have the impression that you, being of a libertarian bent, would be in a small minority amongst your colleagues. Is that true?

            1. Well, as you know Chomsky is a linguist. Though there is nothing in his theories reflect his political views.

              As for my colleagues, I know one is fairly financially conservative, two others are pretty liberal in all areas. Another colleague was a Russian refusnik refugee, we haven’t talked much politics but I wouldn’t think she would have much love for socialism; same with our ultra-Right wing Cuban refugee.

              The computational linguistics folks, the ones that invent new computer languages, are probably the typical libertarian engineering type.

              While Linguistics is firmly in the “Social Sciences,” you need to be good at logic to work with syntax and grammar, so I would think it would attract a somewhat similar mindset to Hard Science-folk.

              I know we have one other Linguistics prof. who comments on H&R. All-in-all, I think libertarians are a minority in academia in general and there isn’t really anything in Linguistics per se that either attracts or dissuades the liberty-minded.

              1. That is very interesting. Thank you.

                ” you need to be good at logic to work with syntax and grammar, so I would think it would attract a somewhat similar mindset to Hard Science-folk.” That makes sense.

                Chem here, structural engineering for my brother, my wife is an occupational therapist and all three of us call ourselves libertarians. Others I know are lawyers, doctors, engineers, gun dealers, farmers and one architect.

        2. History and Philosophy before law school.

          Unless you need a hard science degree to practice patent law, I can’t imagine two better degrees for pre-law.

        3. History then law school.

        4. Creative Writing major/Philosophy minor, MLS in Library Science.

        5. BS in Recreational Studies.

        6. I went to art school in L.A. lol

        7. English and Political Science. But I started working for big tech corps 25 years ago doing writing/editing type things. ‘Cause gawd knows techies can’t write (H&R commenters excepted).

        8. BS in psychology, BA in Russian Language and Literature. MSc in IT–yes, eventually I got one of practical use.

    2. “…terrorizing the fuck out of guys with round glasses and ponytails.”

      If that is your intention, let me know when you find such a craft and I will help you purchase it. Hell, I will even buy your beer.

    3. I’d join your crew as long as you can offer more than 7 percent, plus my own bunk.

  17. I’m one of the (millions) to blame for it being canceled, I guess. I didn’t watch it when it was on Fox. I saw the movie when it came out, and it was just OK. Caught the series on Netflix last year and loved it, rewatched the movie and it was MUCH better now that I knew the backstory. I love that they closed out the series with the movie, but maybe if they had made it more accessible it might have done better and more could have been made.

    I do think the series might have picked up steam if they had renewed it for a second season. It seems like the kind of series that picks up viewers instead of shedding them as it rolls along.

    1. And the whole 3 Christina Hendricks episodes a season seemed like a surefire winner to me.

      1. Honest to dog, that cast really had something for everyone, male or female, hetero or homo. From rugged to pretty, from girlie to tomboyish. Lightning in a bottle, I sez.

    2. The good ones die young. It’s the dying young that makes them seem good. Imagine Firefly Season 8 after the entire series revolves around the two different love triangles and the sexual tension between Jayne and River Tam and the show now is 95% dramatic exposition.

      1. Case in point: The Simpsons. bleech.

  18. Let me just sneak in here at the bottom to reimnd everyone that Adam Baldwin was in ID4.

    1. He should’ve had the lead role. Might not have been such an idiotic movie, then.

    2. Wait, there was a fourth Independence Day? Fuck me.

      1. If there was ever a volleyball spike perfectly set, JW…

      2. I’ll bite.

        What is ID4?

        1. Independence Day. They promoed it as ID4.

  19. Amazon had Firefly blurays on sale recently, so I snagged a set. I had never seen an episode before last week (although I saw the movie).

    Good stuff, no doubt. The whole Western thing is a little heavy-handed/distracting at times, but other than that, no complaints.

  20. Does anyone know if Joss Whedon is a libertarian? I was assuming he is a liberal, but I’m only basing that on the fact that he’s a Hollywood writer/director/producer. I’m a fan of his work (loved Firefly and Buffy The Vampire Slayer) so if it turned out he’s a libertarian…well, that’s just one more thing.

    1. Don’t click this link. Seriously. I am begging you. DO NOT CLICK THE LINK.

      1. Well, I clicked it. Thanks, it pretty much validated my gut feeling about him.
        Oh well, we’re none of us perfect.

        1. Oh well, we’re none of us perfect.

          Speak for yoursefl.

      2. 2007/2008 I could understand, but 2011? Oh, Joss.

        1. It was the Wesley Clark that got me.

    2. It’s my understanding that he’s a self-described liberal who doesn’t like the libertarian characters he created.

      1. Makes you wonder. Did Firefly come to be as we know it because he was avoiding the done to death Star Trek social organization prevalent in TV science fiction? Did that have an unintended effect on the underlining ideology?

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