3 Lessons From the National Conversation About Sluts and Twats

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Should Priorities USA, a pro-Obama super PAC, return $1 million pledged to them by HBO show host Bill Maher? That's the topic du jour, especially since Maher has called Sarah Palin and other high-profile conservative Republicans names such as cunt and twat.

Worse still, Maher recently stood up for radiophonic right-winger Rush Limbaugh, who sparked the past week's outrage by calling a birth-control activist a slut when she testified that other people should pick up the tab for her birth control pills. GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney was evasive in denouncing Limbaugh's language, and liberals such as The New Republic's Timothy Noah have carped that Maher's language (and that of other media figures such as Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz, and Chris Matthews isn't equivalent to Rush's because "It matters more to society what a person with a big following says than what a person with a small following says." (Ital in original.) Big. Small. Leave it to men to immediately start talking about size, am I right ladies?

Some conservatives are calling on Barack Obama to get Priorities USA to reject Maher's generous offering but it's not up to him, is it? If Priorities USA is in fact not coordinating with the president's campaign, why should he have a say in what they do (despite the fact that he's signalled that some of his people will appear at Priorities events). Is this some sort of campaign-financing honeypot sting operation? In any case, Priorities USA has responded so far by…running a picture of Ronald Reagan at the top of its website.

And now, Obama's right-hand man, David Axelrod, is reportedly scheduled to appear on…Bill Maher's show.

And there's this pretty funny video of Reps. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) and Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) refusing to denounce foul, misogynistic language in the media:

What lessons can we draw so far?

1. Free speech, including speech which is really stupid, is and should be legally protected under the First Amendment (which should also be extended to broadcast media such as radio and television). Audiences and sponsors are free to walk whenever they want to. Almost 30 advertisers have fled Rush's show and one of them, Carbonite, has been further punished in the stock market, supposedly by conservatives who are in fact fed up with politically correct corporations. Or something. And some conservatives and liberals (think Bill Bennett and Donna Brazille) have even found common ground around the idea that calling women twats, cunts, and sluts is no way to conduct a conversation about politics.

The important thing being: This whole brouhaha shows that what Albert Hirschmann called the strategies of "exit, voice, and loyalty" are still fully in play, even in Janet Reno's/John Ashcroft's/Eric Holder's Amerika. Some people have bailed from what offends them, others have screamed bloody murder from every possible position on the political spectrum, and others are doubling down with the odious creature of their choosing (there are more characters to choose from in terms of misogyny than there were members of the Village People).

2. The outrage over foul language has obscured a serious debate over the implications and implementation of Obama's health-care reform. The issue buried by all the attacks and counter-attacks won't be disappearing. Is it a good thing that Obamacare will force all of us to start paying for other people's choices in new and disturbing ways? Whatever your position on health care, this issue isn't going to go away.

3. As a nation in an election year with massively high levels of unemployment, a tottering economy, more debt than we can possibly ever pay off, a foreign policy most charitably described as FUBAR2, and so many other problems, we'd rather talk about anything else than how to fix what's wrong with us.

Many years ago at the late, great site Suck.com, I declared the 1990s to be "the decade of the penis" that just might usher in "the century of the vagina." Along the way, I characterized the then-popular movie The Full Monty, in which unemployed construction workers in the U.K. turn to stripping rather than regular jobs, as a form of cinema verite dedicated to "documenting the depths to which British men would sink rather than work."

We may have spent the last week talking about lady parts. But we've been stripped as bare as the lazy yobs in The Full Monty and exposed as a fundamentally unserious people who deserve the massive political screwing that we've gotten over the past 10 years and will likely suffer for the foreseeable future too.

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214 responses to “3 Lessons From the National Conversation About Sluts and Twats

  1. Rush Limbaugh and his ilk are best seen as straw men propped up by the media to be the public face of conservatism. No serious conservative should do anything but roll their eyes at the mention of these clowns. Let conservatives be judged by the policies they promote and what they actually do, not by what some shock jock says.

    1. Why anybody cares what Rush said is beyond me.

      1. …are all basically on the same page, with slight doctrinal variations, such as between catholics and lutherans.

        1. I know the pieces fit ’cause I watched them fall away
          Mildewed and smoldering. Fundamental differing.
          Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers souls in motion
          Disintegrating as it goes testing our communication
          The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us so
          We cannot see to reach an end crippling our communication.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo

      2. “Why anybody cares what Rush said is beyond me.”

        Rush is a fund-raising tool for the left and talk-radio is the only media sphere ideologically owned by the right.

    2. It’s not just the media. Many on the left use “Fox News!” or “Rush” as proxies for the right as a whole (including in their sweep, of course, the innocent libertarian). That’s irrational at best, so I usually tune out anyone who starts talking that way. Non compos mentis.

      Of course, to some extent, the same can be said of people who take Rush and others too seriously on the right.

      1. But that was a good funny.

        1. But they aren’t usually dittoheads, which from the context is clearly what he meant.

          1. Don’t feed the troll

            1. We shall defeat the Enemies of the city-State by collectively ignoring them.

          2. …ditto-head right-wing Market Fundamentalist?

            1. Me, for one. I haven’t listened to that prick Limbaugh for about a decade now, and I didn’t like him back when I did listen for about an hour of one show, which is all I’ve ever heard.

              1. I, for one, have hated that prick Limbaugh for 20 years. I have never listened to his show, but I know that he is a turd because my favorite media outlets have consistently told me how much he lies, how he makes stuff up, how racist he is, how he is a shock jock not much different from Howard Stern, how he coordinates his show with the RNC, how he is a drug addict, how he hates women, how unfunny he is, how he cares only about the rich, how homophobic he is, how fat he is, how he never lets liberal callers get through to his show, how he spews hate speech and how generically hypocritical he is.

                Sure, his defenders say that his detractors endlessly take his words out of context, fabricate alleged Limbaugh quotes, attack him legally and through the tax system, attribute words spoken by others to Limbaugh and ignore the distinction between his serious words and his satire.

                1. btw, my animus towards Limbaugh has nothing to do with the fact that he unapologetically ridicules my treasured political beliefs or with my party preference. It also has nothing to do with him pointing out the corruption and mendacity of my favorite politicians.

      2. people gravitate to those who echo their belief systems. The whole reason Rush reached the level he did is a lot of frustrated conservatives finally heard a voice that was NOT mocking their beliefs. Like anything else, though, you can have too much of a good thing and Rush blew a golden opportunity to use Ms Fluke as the next exhibit in making the case against the entitlement state.

        Instead, he has screwed many of his affiliates who have lost advertisers. Maybe Rush does not care about Joe’s Chicken Shack pulling its contract, but I bet the station running the ad and the person who sold it care mightily.

        1. “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”

          -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816

          1. Stupid beliefs need mocked

            Especially retarded return-to-our-primitive-roots beliefs.

            1. And social liberalism.

              And social conservativism.

          2. Does a letter Jefferson wrote to a guy who invented fish sticks have anything to do with this situation? Perhaps.

            1. Yea, to hell with the Van der Kemps!

        2. I agree wareagle.

      3. “”It’s not just the media. Many on the left use “Fox News!” or “Rush” as proxies for the right as a whole””

        There’s a two way street in play. Fox News and Rush use the “mainstream mediea” as a proxie for the left.

        I don’t give credit to either.

        1. Agreed. It’s a CF of distressing proportions.

          I also second wareagle’s observation, though it’s too bad that it’s Limbaugh and not someone more reasonable.

    3. There are a lot of AM radios in a lot of old trucks and those people still remember a day when the only thing on radio was the news. Rush is news to people out in the sticks and they believe him. Remember, McCain Palin, as bad as the economy was, got 58 million votes in 2008.

      1. Even AM radio stations carry top-of-the-hour news breaks that come directly from ABC or the AP.

        Rush’s audience is not limited to the sticks and people in the sticks are just as soaked in the liberal media as anyone else.

        Your attempt to suggest that Rush only appeals to ignorant, uninformed hicks was lame. Try harder next time.

        1. Nice kneejerk reaction…please point out where in my post the words ignorant or hick appeared?? Typical conservative reaction..if you don’t like the post, frame it so that it’s easier to hate. BTW, the AM radio station where I live, in the sticks, gets their news from Fox.

  2. But we’ve been stripped as bare as the lazy yobs in The Full Monty and exposed as a fundamentally unserious people who deserve the massive political screwing that we’ve gotten over the past 10 years and will likely suffer for the foreseeable future too.

    And this is the real problem today. People grab on to every side story they can because thinking about the real, big problems is hard. People aren’t learning real problem solving skills anymore so nobody can offer any real solutions to the big problems. Plus, big problems make people feel bad and we can’t have people feeling bad can we.

    1. And they say public education isn’t working.

      1. I think it’s spelled “publik edumacashuns.”

      2. because sparky said so eh?

        1. Don’t worry o3, we all know public education failed you.

    2. Glenn Greenwald retweeted @LauraShezbar on Tuesday “Turley & Greenwald both have new articles out today on Holder & Obama, deflecting from the real news of elections&limbaugh;”

      She wasn’t being sarcastic.

      1. Ghafla, the distraction.

  3. Some conservatives are calling on Barack Obama to get Priorities USA to reject Maher’s generous offering but it’s not up to him, is it?

    In fact, it would be illegal for him to do so.

    1. That’s what I always think when people say that such and such a candidate should tell “their” superpac to do something.

    2. Well, it would be nice if BO could at least agree that calling a woman a cunt and a twat is not very civil. BO cannot talk with credibility about political civility until he has done so.

  4. who exactly is “picking up the tab” for ms fluke’s PRIVATE policy?

    >since when cant a customer complain about service in the free market?

    1. Free market, what’s that?

      Suggesting the government mandate that private insurers provide whatever does not equate to a private policy. Sorry.

      1. as if there arent already insurance regs in place.

        it tries moar harder

        1. The already existing regs are a big part of the reason health coverage is so expensive. It also means that we have never really seen anything like a real free market in modern healthcare.

          1. nope – teh RW meme remains tort reform driving expense & uneccessary procedure fm defensive medicine.

            >again, who exactly is “picking-up” the tab for ms fluke’s private insurance?

            1. Why the fuck would I care what the right wing meme is?

          2. Lasik surgery is a good example of medicine that keeps getting better with lower prices and it is outside most health care plans.

            May be a good example of free market health costs.

            1. True, there are some examples of much more free-market healthcare services.

          3. “”The already existing regs are a big part of the reason health coverage is so expensive.””

            It’s a part, but I don’t know if I would call it big. Technology is a bigger player in expense. IT costs alone are big as well as all sorts of devices from Welch Allen vitals to GE imaging.

            1. regs are a huge part of health care costs. 50 states with 50 different sets of rules plus federal mandates and complications plus the VA. A large part of the IT costs arise because of the info associated with compliance and the maze of regulations in different jurisdictions. I would wager that no insurance company or hospital or health care IT concern is even fully compliant.

        2. This:

          as if there arent already insurance regs in place.

          Serves to confirm, not refute, this:

          Suggesting the government mandate that private insurers provide whatever does not equate to a private policy.

          1. Logic fail.

            1. Explain.

              1. Tangential.

                1. That’s not illogical, nor is it an explanation.

                  You realized it’s obvious that you don;t have an explanation and are a douche when you reply to your first douchey “logic fail” post with an even douchier and wrong “Tangential” reply.

                  Why are you so eager to embarrass your parents?

                  1. uptight

                    1. Now I regret not saying “outta sight” instead.

                    2. groovy

    2. since when cant a customer complain about service in the free market?

      What does a government subsidy have to do with the free market?

  5. It matters more to society what a person with a big following says than what a person with a small following says.” (Ital in original.) Big. Small. Leave it to men to immediately start talking about size, am I right ladies?

    No assholes usually ask “was that good for you?”

  6. I might have added one to the list.

    4. Private enterprise is more effective at censoring themselves and each other–than the government is at censoring them.

    Rush lost enough by way of sponsorships and suffered enough criticism that he actually apologized of his own free will for the stupid shit he said.

    If the government had been involved in censoring him, a lot of people (me too!) would be here defending his right to say stupid shit.

    So, even when it comes to imposing shame on someone–effectively and to the appropriate extent–private enterprise beats out the government again!

    1. This is a good point. Leaving censoring to private hands, as opposed to the state, is where it should be.

      1. It’s just like being in somebody’s house. The government doesn’t have a right to tell you what you can and can’t say in my house. …but if I don’t like what you say in my house? I can throw you out whenever I like.

        If my boss fires me for saying something that offends our customers? Who thinks restaurants shouldn’t be able to fire waitresses for saying offensive shit to the customers?

        I have no problem with self-censorship–so long as it isn’t imposed by the government.

        1. You’re a cunt Ken.

          Even when you’re not concern trolling, you’re concern trolling.

          “It’s just like being in somebody’s house.”

          So, wait, YOU tune in to his show, and the analogy you make is that he’s in YOUR house?

          Stupid.

          “If my boss”

          Could we just put this moronic aside to bed forever? No one is claiming that doing what you’re describing is ok in the workplace, but you bring it up every time like it makes some point for you.

          The funniest thing about this though, is that you lost the battle you’re waging already.

          1. People doing what they want with their own property to censor whatever they think needs censoring is just fine. That really shouldn’t be so hard to understand.

            The idea that the slurs you use offend people–and pointlessly so? That shouldn’t be so hard to understand either.

            I’m not saying you don’t have a right to be pointlessly and stupidly offensive. But I certainly have a right to point out your stupid behavior too, don’t I?

            This is Reason’s house. If they wanted to censor me or kick me out of their house for pointing out the stupid shit you say? They have every right to do so.

            Just as they would be well within their rights to censor the stupid and offensive shit you say–that makes us all look stupid for being associated with it.

        2. “”If my boss fires me for saying something that offends our customers? Who thinks restaurants shouldn’t be able to fire waitresses for saying offensive shit to the customers?

          I have no problem with self-censorship–so long as it isn’t imposed by the government.”””

          That’s not an example of self-censorship. Just sayin.

          1. Isn’t it self-censorship in that the business entity is keeping its agents from saying certain things?

            1. Absolutely.

              There’s no reason for a law or the cops to come in and arrest waitresses for saying offensive shit to their customers. Restaurant owners take care of that themselves when they fire rude waitresses.

              That’s self-censorship, too. No doubt.

          2. Waitresses censor themselves all the time. You think they say to customers what they really think? You think they just like being nice to stupid people?

            They don’t have to work there, but they choose to censor themselves so they can.

            Why isn’t that self-censorship?

  7. This is getting old. People get to say mean, stupid shit all they want. And other people get to call them out for it.

  8. “It matters more to society what a person with a big mouth/ass/belly/drug habit says than what a person with a small following says.”

  9. To point #3.

    I’m not sure if it’s conscious or sub-conscious but people don’t want to talk about the deficit or debt, unemployment, or spending. Obama and the mainstream Republicans have plans that are wishful thinking at best.

    Just to depressing to think about – so let’s talk about sluts.

    1. Certainly, people who have some responsibility for the deficit, debt, unemployment, and spending don’t want to talk about it.

      And their enablers in the media are too happy to oblige.

      Out here in bumpkinland, though, people are quite happy to talk about it.

    2. Everyone is sure using a whole lot of words on the topic while not talking about it.

  10. Dear Mr. Timothy Noah. You are a stupid douchebag pedophile hermapadite, crossdressing Democrat. Or you could be. I don’t really know. Hey, I am only a little guy.

  11. 5. Guilt by association as a tactic for political discourse is far more of a problem in terms of how it degrades that political discourse than the offensive language/arguments that Rush Limbaugh or Bill Maher put forth.

    1. 6. American political discourse has the emotional maturity of high school drama.

      1. I don’t know, how about your moving portrayal of Willie Loman in your senior class play?

      2. 7. The “slut” debate provided Eric Holder with cover, so that no one paid attention to his declaration that “due process” allows the President to snuff citizens unilaterally, based on secret criteria he need not share.

        1. ^^^THIS^^^

        2. So Limbaugh is a tool of the Obama admin?

          Rush created the controversy all on his own by being the Rush his listeners expect of him.

  12. The outrage over foul language has obscured a serious debate over the implications and implementation of Obama’s health-care reform.

    I really don’t get this debate. We had an argument on this site cuz some cunt was ruining another humans being’s life for dubious purposes. Just a couple of days ago there was a thread about using to word nigger. I think the thread was about a “speech” whereby the administrations was giving itself authority extra-judicailly kill US citizens. … to be contintued…..

    1. For me, the Holder speech was much more vulgar and obscene that say or using the word nigger (or sugartits). I mean fuck, we have a governemnt that had decreed that they can just fucking kill people with no due process. Why is shit vulgar but poo isn’t. Your talking about the same god damn fucking thing you idiots. The idea that a particular set of vowels and consants is vulgar and shouldn’t be tolerated but extra-judicial murder will be. Really? Fuck that shit. For those people who get sand in their vagina when I say nigger or cunt, fuck you.

      1. When Obama does it, it’s made acceptable by his magic aura.

    2. You’re talking about human nature–some kind of cognitive bias or something.

      But if that’s the way people are, that’s the world we have to deal with.

      If people can’t see the important issues after you’ve used the “c-word” or the “n-word”, then the solution isn’t for the rest of humanity to change their human nature.

      The solution is to refrain from using the “c-word” (or whatever) if you want to talk about important issues.

      There isn’t anything libertarian about the idea that if something doesn’t matter to you, it shouldn’t matter to anybody else.

      1. Nigga please!

        1. You should have attributed that to ODB.

          And is it really hard to understand why people didn’t take ODB seriously?

          1. It’s cuz I’ms black!

          2. I believe that the transitive property shows that ODB ain’t nuthin’ ta fuck wit.

            1. Conversely, Wu-Tang Clan will fuck your ass up?

      2. What is the C-word Ken? Is it cunt or cocksucker? Surely both deserve C-word status? Ken, what do you do when there is more than one vulgar word per letter? Should cocksucker be the “c2-word?” Who the fuck are you to give that nomenenclature to cunt instead of cocksucker. Take shit. Would motherfucker be “m-word” or does that honor go to masturbate? I take it that if I call you a big pile of satorum, that isn’t technically vulgar since human nature (and that mass of murderous reprobates is apparently the yardstick to judge content) doesn’t have access to google, and, thus, hasn’t had time to build a consensus?

        Why aren’t we talking about how to change the fucking worst parts of human nature instead your consonant/vowel prejudices?

      3. The solution is to refrain from using the “c-word” (or whatever) if you want to talk about important issues.

        FUCK THAT!. If humanity is too fucking retarded to understand things like context, fuck humanity. Why the fuck should I be teathered by a species that is so fucking stupid that is kills itself jacking off like David Carraidine? No. Fuck that.

        People are murderous fucks, so we shouldn’t expect anything like humanity out of them, it isn’t in their nature.

        1. ….. What is really funny about this is that people of Ken’s professesion, makes more money than most exploiting and obfuscating language against the masses and using language to fuck people over… but. wah.. Oh they can draft a fee simple subject to a condition subsequent guaranteed to fuck your children out of their future interest, but don’t say cunt. YOu can’t make $400.00 an hour saying cunt. I don’t know it that is spineless cowardliness or ballsy hypocrisy.

          1. This is coming damn close to rivaling your “fuck the feminist who can’t get married” rant. Excellent work.

        2. If humanity is too fucking retarded to understand things like context, fuck humanity.

          There’s a movement devoted to precisely that principle–it’s called “objectivism”.

          The reason I’m a libertarian and not an objectivist? Is because I’m not willing to wait for humanity to become rational before I can enjoy me some liber-tay.

          If you ever start a business? You will find yourself in a position where you have to sell stuff to a world of people who aren’t completely rational. If you ever try to attract a woman? You may find yourself in a position where you have to market yourself to women who aren’t entirely rational.

          Go out of business. Stay celibate!

          But know that using strategies that assume your audience is entirely rational? Is an irrational way to approach the world!

          Try using what works. Calling women “sluts”, “prostitutes” or the c-word? Doesn’t work.

          1. But know that using strategies that assume your audience is entirely rational? Is an irrational way to approach the world!

            The only thing more certain to fail is waiting for humanity to become rational before you can hook up or operate a successful business.

            By expecting humanity to right itself before you can effect change, you’re defeating yourself before you even get started. You’re insisting on defeat.

            1. How much freedom are you willing to give up before people start finally listening to you–despite your use of the “c-word”?

              What I hear you saying? Is that in practice, you’d rather suffer ObamaCare than stop yourself from saying stupid shit like the c-word.

              And that this is somehow the rational approach?!

              1. “despite your use of the “c-word”?”

                You do realize that real people with a background in discourse recognizes this assertion for the fallacy it is don’t you?

                1. If you’re suggesting that using things like the c-word does anything but hurt our cause with the general public, I’d love to see a logical proof of that…

                  You might want to include how Rush calling some woman a slut and a prostitute helped us in the battle against ObamaCare, and you should probably include a footnote about how all the ugly stuff in Ron Paul’s stupid newsletter helped him in his campaign for the presidency, too!

                  How many times do we need to use the c-word before swing voters finally realize that our support for the religious rights of Catholics isn’t just misogyny in disguise? I’m criticizing the sort of strategically stupid thinking behind that, and you think I’m guilty of some kind of logical fallacy why?

                  1. You know what the only difference is between Rush calling some woman a slut and a prostitute on the radio is–and someone calling a woman the c-word here at Hit & Run?

                    Magnitude of the damage, and that’s it.

                    If you were famous as Rush and used the c-word in defense of libertarianism, you’d do the same amount of damage to our cause that Rush has done to his.

                    So, make no mistake. When people come here and see you use the c-word, qualitatively, you’re doing the same kind of damage to the movement. It’s just not as extreme because fewer people hear about it.

                    Time to stop shooting ourselves in the foot.

          2. Try using what works. Calling women “sluts”, “prostitutes” or the c-word? Doesn’t work.

            I asked my wife it it was ever appropriate to call a woman a cunt.

            “Well, when she’s acting like a cunt.”

            REALITY CHECK KEN: My wife is cooler than yours.

            1. I’d say my girlfriends are cooler than your wife.

              1. I’d say my girlfriends are cooler than your wife.

                Yeah, but you think Puritanical Paternalism is cool…

                1. Ken, I know you once tried doggy. I’m not mad at you, but it is a little hypocritical.

                2. Nothing puritanical about it.

                  How is pointing out that saying stupid stuff like the c-word makes you look stupid in any way puritanical?

                  I’m not advocating government involvement here. Don’t you think people should censor themselves from saying stupid shit?

        3. “”FUCK THAT!. If humanity is too fucking retarded to understand things like context, fuck humanity.””

          That’s exactly what I expect the future robots to realize right before they extinct the human race.

      4. The solution is to refrain from using the “c-word” (or whatever) if you want to talk about important issues.

  13. When I heard the playbacks, my first thought was : “he’s back on the drugs”. Anyone else get that vibe?

    1. yep esp when he tripled-down on his previous nonsense & insults

  14. Also, “twat” is a really funny word.

    1. ya, is twat even really offensive? I consider it the “doofus” of vaginal insults.

      1. Very occasionally, I hear someone trying to use it as an insult and I have to laugh.

        1. It seems oddly old-fashioned to me. People that use “twat” probably also use “groovy” in an unironic way.

  15. I disagree with the idea that twats should not be used in politics, it essentially wants people to revere politicians, when the duty of a citizen and journalist is to expose them for the cunts that they all really are.

    1. An entire generation of young people has been conditioned by University Speech Codes to accept the idea that speech is not and should not be free.

      1. Freedom means being free from anything that might be construed to be offensive to anyone.

        1. Which is why in a “truly free” society, sarcasm would be stigmatized like pedophilia.

          1. Depends. My above comment was incorrect. It would be acceptable to offend breeders and Christians, but not homos and Muslims.
            It would be acceptable for a homo to use sarcasm against a breeder, but a breeder using sarcasm against a homo would be treated like assault.

            1. “The propagandist’s purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human. ”

              http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley

              1. Good quote.

      2. Exactly, Tim… and it’s been Team Blue footsoldiers who encourage or write those speech codes.

        1. Well, Goddammit, they have to be made to do their fair share!

  16. Even as someone who has worked in Fort McMurray, I have to say that FUBAR2 was no Trailer Park Boys.

  17. one of them, Carbonite, has been further punished in the stock market

    Is Carbonite being punished for abandoning Limbaugh, or is it merely continuing the decline it’s been in for the last 2 years?

    http://finance.yahoo.com/echar…..b;range=2y

    1. Both, I’m sure. When your business plan is already marginal, pissing off a chunk of your customer base is a Bad Idea.

      1. I think its because we never found out if it would have preserved Han Solo forever.

        1. Even C3PO was uncertain: “He should be quite well preserved.” (Emphasis added)

  18. Lessons learned huh? #2 comes closest to the lesson already known and put into action here.

    When you start getting in trouble with your electorate stir up something, anything, about sex. All heads will turn away from the shit-mess you have made, instantly.

    I can see barry in the oval office laughing his sorry ass off. How jaded people like him must become by the ease with which people are manipulated.

  19. Wow! Fifty-five comments and no one screamed anything about Rush’s pill popping or rumors of sex parties in the Dominican Republic.
    Reason is some what civilized.

    1. Which means… we’re all on Rush’s side!

      /sarcasm

      No, seriously… Rush should die in a fire. In Micheal Moore’s arms, right after they have sex.

      1. Thank you for that. There is not enough brain bleach in the world to clean my mind of that image now…

    2. We don’t like to think about Rush fucking. Do you?

  20. slightly off topic, but not much: how many of the advertisers are local companies, not national, meaning that real live folks in real live communities were hurt by this goober’s attempt at being juvenile. Local stations lose revenue when advertisers pulls their spots; local salesfolks lose income when contracts are canceled. In other words, free speech has consequences and, in this case, it also produces collateral damage.

    1. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Those folks were profiting from Limbaugh’s schtick, so I don’t feel too bad if they take a hit from Limbaugh’s schtick. You take the bad with the good.

      1. I don’t think anyone lost money. They just shuffle the adverts around.

    2. The market is not perfect. You have dumb decisions being made by people who are acting on emotion, not pragmatism, never mind principle.

      What empirical evidence have the advertisers relied upon in making their decisions to remove Rush from their marketing regime? Have any of them suddenly lost a significant piece of their relevent market share? Have they suddenly become unable to move their products?

      1. to the latter two questions, heavens no. I would say most are doing it for show. Advertising, for the most part, means buying the audience that a show delivers, not endorsing the content of the show.

        1. Ergo, poor judgment on the part of the local Joe’s Chicken Shack.

  21. International day of womb-men today.

    Invented in militarist and pro-natalist imperial Germany.

    Mencken had it right:

    Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

    Phallocentric Baltimore crank.

  22. Grandma Sarah: (Holds gun and looks to Lone Watie). You know, we’re sure gonna show them redskins somethin’ tomorrow. No offense meant.

    Lone Watie: None taken.

  23. It’s the Free Market at work. Don’t bitch about being silenced if your sponsors don’t want to pay you any more.

    If Conservatives want to silence Bill Maher (which is why I believe he is no longer on ABC), then they should threaten to boycott HBO (conservatives definitely try to boycott everything else under the store, even JC Penny). They won’t though, because they would miss the softcore porn too much.

    1. the only one bitching here is you. Most folks on this site are in agreement that Rush blew it, missing out on the true opportunity by making the story about him instead of about a 30-year old leech.

      1. I didn’t mention any comments here. Perhaps it was a reference to this

        Almost 30 advertisers have fled Rush’s show and one of them, Carbonite, has been further punished in the stock market, supposedly by conservatives who are in fact fed up with politically correct corporations. Or something.

        It’s not a large part of the piece, but it is a reference to something I find particularly galling about this situation.

    2. Why would anyone with an internet connection rely on HBO for porn?

      1. An older, somewhat affulent demographic, where the male is / has been successful, but he is not exactly computer hip.

        He reason that his wife, who is marginally more computer / tech savy than he, may be able to track his cyber escapades whereas he knows that his wife has never expressed any concerns about his HBO viewing habits.

        THis is the type of guy who, in days of yore, was all set with the Sears Ladies lingerie advertisements and a little imigination.

        1. You seem wistful.

          1. Do you doubt the existence of such a demographic?

            BTW, since I am the boss at work and my computer is not connected to the network of the business, whenever I get wistful, I just start clicking.

        2. Sorry, but the guy in your scenario has Cinemax already.

  24. OT –

    Btw, some of you were expressing that you were suffering from new gun fever the other day. Not to rub it in, but, yesterday I picked up a new SIG 1911-22. It is…..sweet.

    Now I need the Browning, Colt and Kimber 1911-22s. Nice little collection if I can find them. My dealer says they are all out everywhere.

    1. I’m spending $1500 today to replace the tranny on one of my cars. Yesterday I discovered the head gasket needs replacing on the other one. So much for the emergency fund.

      1. Fuck you, pay for my birth control pills first.

        1. You are your own birth control. One look at your face can kill a boner instantly. Give that smug look and every boner for a mile turns inside-out.

          1. John would fuck her.

            1. I imagine it would be similar to fucking a half-frozen, dead fish.

              1. That’s quite an imagination. I don’t think I’ll be having the sushi rolls for lunch in a few minutes.

              2. I’d hit that.

        2. What? Dinner and a show not good enough?

      2. Dave Ramsey and Suzie O would not approve of your decision.

        1. Yet Dave and Suzie, should they come to my house, would insist on playing with them. I can hit with the sig like I can with my old SW K22. That means hitting beer bottle caps at ~40 yards. Like I said….sweet.

        2. At least it’s not going on a credit card.

          1. Not on a credit card!

            What, are you anti-bank?

            1. I’m anti-debt.

              1. That be good.

                But I should have made myself clear, it is the depletion of your emergency fund that is troubling.

                1. Isn’t that why it’s there?
                  Would a blown transmission and a blown head gasket not constitute emergencies?

                  1. You blowing your tranny is your own business, sarcasmic. And possibly a good topic for /b/ as opposed to H&R.

      3. LOL. You said tranny.

      4. If you roll the stop signs, the trannies won’t have time to get on your car. Then you won’t where out your head gasket.

        1. wear, stupid Tim, bad!

      5. I hear a tranny in Vegas cums with a complementary sponge bath and mints.

      6. I’m spending $1500 today to replace the tranny on one of my cars.

        Hey dumbass, Obama’s old nanny is willing to work for much less than that. You’re getting ripped off.

    2. I’m seriously contemplating a SIG P238, since they seem to have sorted the issues with it. But I have to find one that a) has an acceptable finish and b)is in stock somewhere. That seems to be quite a trick.

      1. No kidding. Everything is out.

        I saw a bumper sticker the other day with Obama’s face smiling that smug, look down his nose smile he has and waving his arm. Emblazoned over it were the words ” THE WORLD’S GREATEST GUN SALESMAN!”

  25. Freedom means being free from anything that might be construed to be offensive to anyone.

    Millions of soccer moms agree; making people uncomfortable should be illegal!

  26. Rush Limbaugh isn’t going to lose out. Last I heard, 45 sponsors have left. I bet there is still a line to sponsor his show.

  27. Two questions for Nick Gillepsie:

    Should Ron Paul own up to those racist, homophobic newsletters and give us a reasonable explanation of how they came out all those years under his name? Should any self-respecting libertarian support him until he does?

    1. Fuck you, that’s why.

  28. “And some conservatives and liberals (think Bill Bennett and Donna Brazille) have even found common ground around the idea that calling women twats, cunts, and sluts is no way to conduct a conversation about politics.”

    Of course they would. After all, Bill Bennett is a cunt, Donna Brazile is a twat, and they’re probably both sluts.

  29. Gotta just love them bought and paid for politicians!

    http://www.Done-Anon.tk

    1. Why does this spammer try dangling intriguing little leads like that when we can all plainly see the link is to the same old crap?

      1. Skynet is still trying to figure out how to best emulate human behavior.

        1. It seems they have a long road ahead of them.

    2. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ–WHOOOOOOOOOSSSHH–BOOOOOOOOM!

      http://www.drone-anon.com

    3. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ–WHOOOOOOOOOSSSHH–BOOOOOOOOM!

      http://www.drone-anon.com

    4. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ–WHOOOOOOOOOSSSHH–BOOOOOOOOM!

      http://www.drone-anon.com

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      http://www.drone-anon.com

  30. Rush should turn the whole thing around and do a “Slut Moneybomb”. Take all the donations and buy the ad time on his own show. The irony would be fantastic. By getting all those advertisers to pull out you get… more Rush!

    BTW, Rush is a cocksucker.

  31. Has anyone done any investigative reporting to determine the accuracy of Limbaugh’s claim?

  32. “It matters more to society what a person with a big following says than what a person with a small following says.”

    I suppose the implication here is that the opinions of people with NO ‘following’ (non-media pundits) have no significance whatsoever. Like, ‘you can say anything you want, as long as no one hears it’.

    The democratic notion of free speech gets ever clearer= corporations aren’t people, people aren’t people, and media figures should be browbeaten into repeating the talking points sheet. Just give us your goddamn money and shut the fuck up.

    1. p.s. Rush is a still a cocksucker; not for this event, just overall

  33. Look, I didn’t see Full Monty, so maybe I’m missing something…? But stripping is good, plain, honest work. Unskilled? Yes… But it’s work. Snob.

    1. You should. Its a good movie.

  34. Part of what’s so silly about this shit is the advertisers “stomping angrily away” from Rush… mortified! indignant!…’Well I never!’

    What a crock of shit. Their moral posturing is *itself* advertising themselves. I’m sure they will come sliding back next year and no one will notice.

  35. Here’s the response the Congresswoman should have given. “When a republican has a scandal…why do they ALWAYS defend it with ” ‘Well a democrat did it.’ ”
    GOP sex scandal….”Barney Frank did it”…this is why the GOP will lose next November…NO LEADERSHIP…JUST EXCUSES.

  36. Let’s see… (meat eatting) Barney and the kids?, sodomiK travesti even teachers ceremonie$ saying “how important” and “nece$ary” are THE ACLU-ACORNORK$, C$ARUMEN, ILLEGAL ALLIEN PRE-INVASION CIVILLIAN MOREGOV$, SANTUARY ZONES (expl: almost sodoma Kalifornika, bhorK’$ ILL IN OIS, SOFLA, ARIZONA, wa$h ing TONG, etc. INFILTRATED “LEGAL ANAMONTES VIEW$” MOREGOV$, MUSLIM/CHICKEN “NEW”BLACKPANTIES FA$T&FURIOU;$ IMPUNITY IMBECI… OPP$, INVI$IBILITY (DREAMMED TERROR MASS INFILTRATING NIGHTMARES), AYER$-BHORK NO GOD AT SCHOOLS, ALINSKI UNIVERSITIES OF SODOMIK HIPHOP RAPCELL PRE-$HARIALAW “world”, paralegal, in “e$cence”… paralegal for terror means… high treason…

  37. kmart’s FREE internet cancelled as a punishment, elche shirts…= I’m about to ask for intelligent, specific “we want to see AMERICA, NOT MUSLIM things” smart boicots, specially (more mosques) at TEA WTC (WAR ON TERROR REASONS), MUSLIMS SHOULD BE GIVING MORE CASUALTIES THAN AMERICANS OR ALLIES, remark iran road side bombing military ind on iraq,afganistan… pointing brother muslimhood’s new faces, as democrats should be pointing acorn, ayers, bhorK, alinski, aclu, neolibtik preffered by the enemy instead of Bush, blame IRAN NOT AMERICA for (USUAL) IRAN”S (rusia sometimes join) ANYWAYS GAS PRICE ATTACK$ THEY ARE EVEN USED TO…, OR ANY OTHER MA NA GE MENT SYSTEM… you have me insulted of “surviellance”?, PAY TEA PRICE THEN!!…

  38. Comming up: More on solarflare 3 years/cycle coinciding with global solarsystems (planets mostly) falling axis cooling 35,000 years cycles of miniceages…

  39. Carbonite, has been further punished in the stock market, supposedly by conservatives who are in fact fed up with politically correct corporations.

    Nah. It has been punished i suspect because out side of Rush’s show i have never heard of them…and no one else has as well.

    Without their cherry spot on Rush they have no advertising as far as i can see.

  40. Christ Nick, did you even watch the movie or just read the Cliff notes.

    Along the way, I characterized the then-popular movie The Full Monty, in which unemployed construction workers in the U.K. turn to stripping rather than regular jobs, as a form of cinema verite dedicated to “documenting the depths to which British men would sink rather than work.”

    The very funny film documented “… the depths to which British men would sink [when unable to get] work.” A big difference from what you wrote.

    Small quibble – The film’s characters were unemployed factory workers,not construction workers.

  41. If they can’t accept trues, specially after “IS NORMAL ALREADY to attack Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Christy O’Donnell (and many other delicious conservative wo(w)men), and if a costummer wants to help neolibtiCAL$&rinoliphant;$ over this TRUE on sodomiK presharia imbecility by danrather’s anamontes minded programming$ as a drivebymediatiK kreeppy, crappy, $pooky propaganda beltway$… then they NEED TO KNOW TEA PRICE FOR SUCH OSSADY O(F) BRINGING US ODDYSSEY (in front of TEA kids!!)!!: smart, specific boicots…
    We rather Rush than (future acornork$, aclu, miamidade Moregov$ (pursuing anti-terror and HELPING terror logi$TICK$, IN TIMES OF WAR THEY ID THEIRSELVES BY EVEN “JUST” “DEBATE about”, destroy’m, ID’m, globalize’m, THEY CAN’T MATCH INTELLECT, CREATIVITY, CONSERVATIVE FREE MINDS

  42. Let’s start stopping bhorK “changes”, elche, castroagents protected and helping castroland-ayatoland to wipeout oppositors (to leave TEA world as a “globalized” cuba-iran, with chinese capitalism “taking care of Freedom” (future collapses as uss’us era, “dark(er) periods…), k-marts, 7-11s, and you working for (police surveillanced) $20/DAY/sublabor slave “legal” jail (even if you, as me, leaved on 4 countries, CERO prision, not a ticket!!) dodomic-prision treatment, last “boss”: presharialaw gay activist (as police, they don’t ID when paralegaly attack anybody, everybody goes to jail… anamontes-rinoliphant mind, 30 ayers old govnets…) carlosrichards (today I saw him and had paralegal labor felonic tryings on me, the imbecile “invisible” paralegals looked “LAW-JUSTICE” experts!!!

    1. I’m deeply sorry, I have no time for checkspells, We don’t need a few ugly trillion dollars more, the “bad” TEA, TEA good American voter(‘s
      firepowers)…

      1. What Am I saying… We don’t need a few ugly trillion dollars more (OK), (PLEASE ADD: WE NEED) the “bad” TEA + TEA good American voter(‘s
        firepowers)…

  43. bhorK, today (and seems “normaly” dayly… shall cost you what you don’t have) I HAD AN “ORDINARY acornorK “times” still on the BRAIN OF MANY NOT JAILED JET) politicians/MAYORALES/JUDGES/POLICE/doctroll “psyco” surviellance/paralegal felonic “problem-test provocations” to “file a publik problem (damages) to the sofla (terror logi$TICK santuary already, expl: castrocoyote labor)…
    “dayly”… na na na bhorK?, penalty of death to any who didn’t warned at least on acornorK$, aclu (remains active!!), castro wellfare fraud$!, finantial globalbubble bombing$ PLOT$ STARTED ON SOFLA!!!, castroanamontes-fiu psyco-recluit-train/doctors related personnel!!
    see you

  44. I realize that Reason and libertarians have to hipster-posture that they hate team red and team blue equally, but do people really think that what RL said and what BM said are equally offensive? Being accused of promiscuity used to be an insult, but casual sex is so common nowadays that the word “slut” seems to have lost most of its power to insult in a way that “twat” and esp. “cunt” have not. I also think that saying that since everybody else is paying for her contraception, Fluke should repay those subsidizing her sex life by posting sex videos was a pretty good way to emphasize the outrageousness of Fluke’s demands.

    1. Can I call that promiscious little libtard shill a media whore yet?

      Or is media whoredom the sole providence of Chuckie Schumer?

  45. I had never heard of Carbonite before the latest Rush kerfuffle. I saw a Carbonite ad last night, I think, while watching Southpark. I don’t think I would have paid any attention if it were not for Rush ruckus.

    Maybe this is a new advertizing strategy. Start advertizing on some TV or radio gasbags show, left or right leaning – does not matter. Wait for said gasbag to say something stupid and pull advertizing away from gasbag while simultaneously making press release claiming your firm’s virtuosity. Receive national advertizing for free. It may only last for a few days, but Carbonite is now a nationally known name. In a few weeks, people will forget why they know the name, but they will now have name recognition.

    1. I had never heard of Carbonite before the latest Rush kerfuffle.

      Uh.. someone needs to catch up on a little *Empire Strikes Back* here?! Next thing you’ll tell me you never heard of Han Solo *either*. I think you’re just pretending to be like, one of those superior types who sniffs and goes “I don’t even *own* a TV”…

      1. huh, WTF? I am not pretending to be anything. I do have a TV, so if I “sniff” at all its because it only has 5 channels: Comedy, Military, History, History International and the Top Gear channel. I don’t think that is unusual for a fifty-something guy.

        Loved Star Wars. I am old enough to not only have seen SW in the theater on its original release, but I saw it in an old school, huge, single screen theater in Glasgow, Scotland. I remember it well because it was a ground-breaking movie for effects and not the caricature that it has now become.

        So, in the words of my Grandmother, “Piss-off, sniff, sniff” oh, until the Rush kerfuffle, I had not heard of Carbonite. Maybe if I listened to Rush, would have.

  46. TEA fire was RED

  47. “Big following”? And how did Rush GET that following?

  48. Both parties love the language…….it deflects our attention from the real issues.

  49. What’s not to love about cunts? Men love ’em, and so do plenty of women.

  50. hey bhorK$, so you’ll have me as tedpalpatinekennedy&mayoral; varez police psycos have me imbeciles spying on my face or… you think I’ll sucumb under “the preassure”?: a seemly (“confident”) former acornorK and also “new” blackpanty (for months now, if police whanted to UNCOVER neolibtiK&rinoliphan; WAR ACTS insurgency from anamontes C$arumen brains they just ask him, is next to my pc now… publiK libraries HAVE CAMMERAS!!), SO IT’S EASY TO DESTROY INFILTRATION&MOTIVATION; FOR no more IMPUNE hammas/chicken RELATED BHORK$ OF MOREGOVS, ayers&alinski; soviet dreammed nightmare infiltration/terminator CASTROCOYOTE DESIGNED (MA NORIEGA) SODOMIK PRESHARIALAW TERROR SANTUARIES

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