New Rasmussen Poll: 58 Percent Oppose $10,000 Subsidies to Electric Car Buyers
A recent Rasmussen poll finds 58 percent of Americans are opposed to providing $10,000 subsidies to those who buy electric cars. This is at odds with President Obama's recent budget proposal to provide $10,000 subsidies to Americans who purchase electric cars to offset the typical cost of $32,000-$42,000 per car. The President hopes that this policy endeavor will result in getting one million electric cars on the road by 2015.
Opposition to this policy increases to 65 percent when the total cost of the program ($10 billion dollars) is considered. 73 percent oppose allowing those making over $150,000 a year eligible for this subsidy. This is quite relevant given that General Motors CEO Dan Akerson reports the average Chevy Volt buyer makes $170,000 per year. Only 13 percent approve of a subsidy to this income group.
It remains unclear whether Americans oppose this subsidy policy because they believe the electric car industry can make money on its own. Although 58% oppose the subsidy, only 46% believe the electric car industry can make money without government subsidy. Instead, Americans seem to oppose the subsidy regardless of whether they believe the industry needs government subsidies to continue.
Partisan breakdowns reveal that Republicans oppose the subsidy 77 percent to 14 percent, but Democrats favor it 46 percent to 39 percent. Primary support comes from self-identified liberals with 63 percent favoring. In comparison 78 percent of conservatives and 53 percent of moderates oppose the subsidy.
Question Wording
Electric cars are more expensive than traditional cars, with base costs ranging from $32,000 to 42,000. A proposal has been made to give $10,000 government subsidies to the purchasers of electric cars. Do you favor or oppose government subsidies to encourage the purchase of electric cars?
29% Favor
58% Oppose
13% Not sure
The Obama administration hopes to have one million electric cars on the road by 2015. To reach that goal, the subsidy program could cost the federal government $10 billion. Do you favor or oppose having the federal government spend $10 billion over four years to subsidize the purchase of electric cars?
26% Favor
65% Oppose
10% Not sure
Should people who earn more than $150,000 per year receive a $10,000 grant from the government to reduce the cost of purchasing an electric car? Or should people who earn more than $150,000 a year pay for the full cost of the car themselves?
13% Yes, they should receive a $10,000 grant from the government
73% No, they should pay for the full cost of the electric car
14% Not sure
Will the electric car industry ever make money on its own or will it always require government subsidies to stay in business?
46% Electric care industry will make money on its own
28% Electric care industry will always require government subsidies
26% Not sure
Source: Rasmussen
The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on February 18-19, 2012 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.
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Electric cars are too little, too late.
Soon we're going to have to abandon the auto-dependent suburbs for a more walkable, transit-oriented, sustainable way of living.
Otherwise peak oil will do it for us.
LOL the leftist wet dream. You guys have always hated the privately-owned automobile, haven't you? All those individuals going where they want, when they want; it must drive you mad with rage.
So it tends to puzzle me when you guys so proudly point out that the government builds the roads, and loudly demand that more be built for the purpose of "stimulus". I guess the big picture just isn't part of your thinking.
Fixed.
You beat me to it!
Or the central committee hasn't decided yet what the official position is. Either that or leftists aren't all of one mind on every issue. It is not too hard to conceive of a situation where some people think no one should drive cars and other people think that building more roads would be a good idea to stimulate the economy.
I can see that but oft times it is the same lefty taking both positions.
I oppose electric cars. Did they ask anybody that? When I see that Kenyan piece of crap driving an electric limo, I'll consider not hating him.
Even Germany has just admitted that their subsidies for solar energy were a massive waste of money, and they are doing away with them.
This "green jobs"/clean energy B.S. has been nothing but a complete and utter fiasco everywhere it has been tried. Block Yomomma is one of the most invincibly ignorant MFers I've ever seen.
That's just crazy talk. Look how well it worked for Spain.
The really amazing thing to me is that now is when the American left goes for the big push to be more like Europe.
On its own, a bad idea.
If it's a question of spending $10 billion to jumpstart the electric car industry, or spending $1 trillion to fight wars to keep the oil flowing - maybe it's not such a bad bargain.
How about neither? Or is that too much for you to handle?
Exactly. The good news is that if you a) don't subsidize electric cars but also b) don't go to war in order to increase oil availability, if one of these countries that would be the target of policy B does impose an embargo and the price of oil increases substantially, the electric car will experience a surge in popularity without having to piss away $10 billion as welfare to people making 3x the national average.
Yeah, but they'll be electric cars that aren't shit, which means they won't have been manufactured by union labor, which means the Democrats won't have gotten any money from it.
Electric car subsidies help nobody who can't already afford to buy or finance an electric car without government help.
Why make those of us driving a van with 170,000 miles on it subsidize a vanity purchase by someone richer?
Europe is great because it shows a lot of the disasters of government interventionism. But I find it hilariously disheartening that once Europe realizes how bad the ideas were, our own government decides to adopt them.
What on earth makes you think that $10BB worth of subsidies for electric cars will end our participation in the global oil market?
Fortunately, that is not the question.
I'm depressed that it's only 58%.
Well, libertarians would not regard a tax deduction as a subsidy (but rather a 20-30% subsidy), we do look on tax credits as subsidies. Also, you'll find we generally oppose the notion of social engineering through the tax code and for the most part believe the tax code should be straightforward and simple with far fewer deductions and credits and a far lower base rate.
Fucking squirrels double posted this, and did it in the wrong comment. This applies below.
Well, libertarians would not regard a tax deduction as a subsidy (but rather a 20-30% subsidy), we do look on tax credits as subsidies. Also, you'll find we generally oppose the notion of social engineering through the tax code and for the most part believe the tax code should be straightforward and simple with far fewer deductions and credits and a far lower base rate.
Wait! It's not a "subsidy"! It's a "tax credit"! We all know what that means.
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Remeber kids: a "tax credit" is never a "subsidy" in Libertopia. As long as you get a little special carve-out that nobody else gets, but do so in the form of a "tax credit," you're not really treating anybody unfair. Why, you ask? BECAUSE IT'S YOUR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
(Taxing like incomes alike? Pshaw! Who taught you such silly logic? Now, if it was a cash-paid subsidy... that would be different. But that's a discussion for a different day.)
No. A tax credit is a handout. It is a cash paid subsidy. You are confusing credits with deductions.
Nope.
You're confusing a "tax credit" with a "rebate" or a "fully-refundable" credit." The electric vehicle credit can only take your federal income tax liability to zero. It can't go below zero and it can't give you a "negative income tax."
Why would anyone want to buy some stranger a car?
A hybrid from Finland? What are the two fuels it employs, vodka and existential despair?
The stereo only plays theatrical death metal!
Arjen Anthony Lucassen is a prog metal god!
No, wait, he's from the Netherlands. Eh, close enough.
If they wanted to, the credit wouldn't be necessary.
$10,000 to subsidize pinot-swilling, Jon-Stewart-watching NPR listeners. yep, they need the money.
Let's also subsidize the so-called 99 percent: $1,000 credits for Kia buyers.
A hybrid from Finland? What are the two fuels it employs, vodka and existential despair?
The Fins are totally kick ass race drivers.
Because they're trying to get away from Finland as fast as they can.
A hybrid from Finland? What are the two fuels it employs, vodka and existential despair?
The WSJ had a profile on a hybrid from Finland that looks like a cross between a corvette ZR1 and a Maserati Quataporte and costs over a 100K. You get a $10 thousand dollar tax credit for buying it.
I think if someone has 100K to spend on a car and just has to have a hybrid, they will do it with our without the 10K subsidy.
I don't make much money or pay much in taxes, but the very thought that I am subsidizing, indirectly or not, some smug bastard's delusion of grandeur in buying eco-friendly cars makes me want to become a tax-evader.
In 2014, Porsche is going to make a 911 hybrid. Just think, your tax dollars will be going to pay from some rich poser doofus to by his 911 hybrid.
I can see the Alex Jones headline now: Government Finances 9/11 for Benefit of Bilderberg Elite
You know, perfectly normal people own Porches. We just like the car, you know?
I love Porsches. I would love to own one. But owning a 911 hybrid? That is ridiculous.
The President hopes that this policy endeavor will result in getting one million electric cars on the road by 2015.
ROFL. The Great Exploding Obama Boondoggle has been on the market for over a year, and they've sold something like 10,000 so far. Call me crazy, but something tells me they're not going to hit their target.
Tell me, when the President said that, did he hold one pinky to the corner of his mouth?
Ah yes, the hated rich are the only salvation for the Chevy Dolt. Oh the irony.
While I can understand hybrids, electric cars make no sense in any way even if you're an enviro nut. Hybrids are just about maximizing the energy output of its fuel, gas. That makes sense provided they are cost effective to make. But electric cars have to run off of the power grid. The grid being powered primarily by coal plants along with gas and nuclear plants.
So you're not buying an electric car so much as buying a "coal, gas, and nuclear" powered car (which admittedly almost makes it sound cool). But how would this help the environment?
But how would this help the environment?
Depends upon the car, but on average a fully electric car powered by a coal-fired plant has a carbon footprint similar to or better than the most fuel efficient hybrids...often significantly better. And the cleaner the grid, the cleaner the driving.
I'd have to see some hard numbers on that. I find it difficult to believe that there would not be a significant loss of energy going through hundreds of miles of power lines to charge the car. That's not even including the massive additional infrastructure that would be required to support a large fleet of these. And as I understand it somewhere around 60% of man made greenhouse gases derives from power plants. Adding to that seems counter productive (from an AGW proponent perspective anyway).
In other news, new poll shows that the 58 percent who oppose $10,000 subsidies to electric car buyers favor subsidies for something else that they want to buy.
Sorry, while I should be heartened at this news my knowledge of the general public lust for free shit tells me that these 58% just don't like electric cars. It doesn't tell me anything about how they feel about subsidies.
What? ONLY 58% oppose?
Good or bad news is still news.
I'm glad that the "electric car" issue is getting headlines again.
Could only be good for our environment.
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