Is It Steak Yet? No, But Vat-Grown Burgers Might Be Hitting Your Plate By Year's End
For those of who expected the 21st century to be a world of wonders as limned in David Bowie songs and Josie and the Pussycats in Outer Space, the cavalry may be arriving. And by cavalry, I mean test-tube White Castles:
Speaking at the American Academy for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) annual meeting in Vancouver yesterday afternoon (SUNDAY), Prof [Mark] Post [of Maastricht University] said his team has successfully replicated the process with cow cells and calf serum, bringing the first artificial burger a step closer.
He said: "In October we are going to provide a proof of concept showing out of stem cells we can make a product that looks, feels and hopefully tastes like meat."
Hopefully tastes like meat…where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, at Burger King's drive-thru. Burgers may be in the pipeline but it's gonna take steak a while longer:
Creating different cuts, such as steaks, would be more problematic because to grow thicker strips of meat would require an artificial blood supply, he added….
The only person to have tried the lab-grown meat so far is a Russian journalist who snatched a sample of pork during a visit to Prof Post's lab at Maastricht University last year and declared himself unimpressed.
That first burger won't come cheap. The research behind it is expected to run a total about 250,000 euros. But just to make the whole situation a wee-bit more disturbing than it needs to be, there's this:
The work is being financed by anonymous and extremely wealthy benefactor who Prof Post claims is a household name with a reputation for "turning everything into gold".
We at Reason have been licking our chops for vat-grown meat since at least 2005, when we raised questions about whether vegans could eat the stuff and whether celebrity meats were in the offing. Get your stomach churning by reading our list of articles about what will certainly become one of the next great battlegrounds in a world where salt, butter, and soda pop are on a culinary hit list.
And check out what happened when lobsters invaded DC - in the form of very tasty sandwiches:
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I wonder if petri dish pork chops are kosher....
Yes, but only if they are supervised by a Petri-dish rabbi.
Doubtful as they would be derived from stem cells from pigs.
Or petri dish cheeseburgers?
More likely to be Branson.
That's who I thought...
Eat me.
WTF, man, as far as mass-produced, fast food burgers go, Burger King beats the stuffing out of most.
It's edgy to disparage Burger King and Taco Bell. Every libertarian knows that the best food is gotten from a filthy truck.
But flame-broiled beats frying 2-1. What kind of libertarian wants his burger cooked on a fucking griddle? I'm also so far behind the curve inn edginess.
That's a shitty neighborhood, man.
I like fried burgers. Sue me.
I actually pan fry steaks - the trick is to use lots of heat and not too thick of a cut, making for a good, crisp outside. Use the fond to make wine sauce - red wine, cream, butter and some quality mustard.
I'm pretty sure that's how the Mexicans do it in their roach carts.
I actually pan fry steaks
I do too. I haven't tried this myself yet, but I've heard the trick is to place an empty cast-iron skillet in an oven, heat it up as high as it'll go, then take it out and place it on a very hot burner, add a little butter, then your steak. It sears that beautiful brown crust into the surface.
If you're one of those miscreants who requires his meat to be something other than red on the inside, you can then continue to cook it to your desired doneness on lower heat.
But the key to a great steak - no matter how you're cooking it - is to sear the outside. Ruth's Chris uses an 1800-degree broiler that runs on a conveyor belt. The chef (or machine operator, I guess) simply dials in the cut of meat and the deired doneness, then hits 'Start'. Sounds kind of "artificial," but the result is consistently wonderful.
If you have to cook steak in a pan, that's the best way. It doesn't scale very well, though.
Somewhere, Bobby Flay is weeping.
Good. He needs to suffer.
Somewhere, Bobby Flay is weeping.
Good. Let him cry like a little bitch. The eatification of red meat is what separates the men from the boys.
YOu got it all wrong - Mongo like red meat. Was referring to the computerized, machine-broiled steaks.
I use a Himalayan Salt Block when I know I'm gonna have guests over. Prep the steaks over night (I like to use a dry sake marinade or my own blend of balsamic vinaigrette) and then heat the block up in the oven. When it's time to eat, put the block right on the table (with a wooden cutting board underneath), coat the block with butter, and then cook the steaks to order right in front of them while they're eating the apps and salads. The meat will cook REAL fucking quick so it'll only take a few minutes and many of the block are big enough that you can do two or three steaks at a time (especially with a cut like sirloin).
I recommend doing this out on your patio or deck but you can do it inside IF you got a big enough table. It's a great way to impress people and the flavor is pure FUCKING awesome!
Charcoal grill, sear the outside, shoyu then Worchestershire, garlic seasoning and Montreal steak seasoning.
Oh, and ribeyes, and paw through the stack at CursedCo until you find the prime marbled ones mislabeled as choice.
False dichotomy is false.
The BK nearest me is in the running for worst managed restaurant still in business. It has colored my outlook on all BKs.
Wendy's>Burger King>>>>McDonald's
I can swap Wendy's and BK most days.
But SQUARE BURGERS...
Wendy's is by far superior to McDonald's and Burger King.
And Five Guys is better then everyone of those lousy fucks combined!
I can already see the debate in about 30 years time, whether government should ban the killing of cows.
Cows will go extinct soon thereafter.
This is just disgusting. Meat should come from animals, not a lab. I can just imagine in 5 years the meat distributors will try to get the USDA to label it "Certified Organic."
Should they ban people from growing meat in a lab? No, but anyone who produces this in the future for mass consumption should state that it is "Lab-Grown" or something on the labeling.
Says who?
I'm fine with meat coming from a lab if it can be made safer, cheaper, and more readily available than from animals. But it also has to pass the taste test.
Which is when I shall never eat meat unless the animal lived its entire life in the wild and was taken down by a flint-tipped spear.
Trader Joes? Isn't all of their food imported from Asia?
But it also has to pass the taste test.
It also has to pass the won't-make-a-third-eye-grow-out-of-my-forehead test.
A third eye might come in handy.
A third eye might come in handy.
As long as I had 20/20 (or whould that be 20/20/20?) vision. I imagine getting fitted for glasses would be a bitch. And Lasik would cost 50 percent more.
Maybe they'll offer "buy two, get one free" deals.
Think of what third eyes would do for the monocle biz.
It's still 20/20.
Yes, thanks Zeb: 20/20 is the acuity measure, so you can be 20/20 in one eye and 20/15 in another.
Way to ruin the joke, pedant.
Boo fucking hoo. Lab-Grown, ewww! Come off it. The technology is in it's infancy, but the meat is biologically and chemically the same as meat taken from a slaughtered animal. It will be a long time before it is cheaper than a burger, but you can bet your ass it will be cheaper to eat lab-grown Rhinoceros then wild Rhino burgers.
Hell, in 30-40 years people will think this is the only sanitary way to eat meat. "Wild Cow meat? What about Mad Cow and Salmonella?"
Wild cows? Isn't that what they call bar skanks in Texas?
The major problems that plague our food system (and public health, when obesity is factored in) come from government interference (in the form of subsidies, onerous regulations on small producers, and some super ridiculous laws like those banning raw milk), the centralization of food production (so infection at one plant affects millions of consumers), dissembling on the part of food processors (fewer people would eat Purdue chicken if it saw the inhumane and disgusting circumstances in which those birds were raised), and the imposition of industrial timelines on natural processes (see: industrial farming). Unless they're required to label vat meat as such, would any processor willingly and openly state where vat meat came from?
For the record: I only eat meat that is humanely raised and that I can trace back to the farm where it was raised. I wind up eating vegetarian most of the time because of that.
I appreciate you noting your bias, because it's pretty apparent.
Industrial farming is NOT the source of all of our food ills. It's very effective at keeping contamination low because processes are standardized and sanitation procedures more evenly applied than in the past. Those are big problems it solved, but like any system it introduced it's own problems (e.g. over use of preservatives and pasteurization, aka too much salt and too little flavor). In any case I don't see why anyone can reasonably object to lab-grown meat considering it is as humane as you can possibly get and grown in a sterile environment. It is damn near impossible to get anything "safer."
"Unless they're required to label vat meat as such, would any processor willingly and openly state where vat meat came from?"
People who feel somewhat uncomfortable with animal slaughter, but not enough to give up bacon?
As far as eating it, it might also appeal to people that would like to be self-reliant regarding meat, but don't have land or an abattoir. But that's no good to commercial growers.
This is great. It will get there. Give a few decades. What we really need is lab grown fish. We could end commercial fishing and just grow the stuff in factories, feed the world, and save the oceans.
Well, consequences for that could include overpopulation of fish. I know that lab grown food will not completely get rid of slaughtering animals for food, but it will likely make things better.
Why? Shouldn't the natural predators of the ocean keep that in check?
Possibly. But that is assuming there are enough natural predators to keep the populations in check.
Take deer hunting. I know it's quite different from fishing, but still it is necessary to keep populations in check. Deer have few non-human predators. If hunting was not allowed, they would become overpopulated to the point of starvation or becoming a real problem for people living near them, such as farmers.
Now, the ocean is a much different environment, but some of their natural predators may have depleted numbers. Predatory animals also breed quite differently from their prey.
As soon as I posted my response I thought about all the deer on the east coast.
What RBS said. And if over population is a problem, you can always fish for them too.
Sure. But there might come a point where a majority of consumers would become disgusted by the idea of eating meat from an animal. Fishing for them would be harder if people lost the skill or even the equipment to do so.
Fishing really isn't all that difficult and you can be successful with pretty basic equipment. And, if all of sudden people stopped fishing then hey, more for me.
Catching a fish is easy. Do you think you could net several tons a day for many many days in order to keep those populations in check?
Overpopulation leads to resource depletion leads to die off and resets at a more sustainable basleine. Rinse and repeat as necessary. It's a self-regulating system.
That is what I was thinking. But if that fails I accept Matrix's challenge.
I think overpopulation of fish would be a better problem to have than the current problems with diminishing supplies of wild fish. There used to be a lot more fish in the oceans. And if we can make lab Tuna and swordfish, there shouldn't be much trouble with predator fish.
Mmm... Frankensashimi.
Can I sacrifice a vattened calf to appease my god?
Vattened Calf?
No.
ONLY FRESH BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.
Okay, just wanted to check in advance.
Vegans who are vegans for moral reasons should be A-OK, but those who just don't like meat won't go near it.
As for me, that shit creeps me out.
Yeah, the Vegans are welcome to it.
Suppose the do come up with real no kidding lab grown meat that is as good or better than the real thing. What do you want to bet most vegans would stay vegans? If they gave up being vegans they would have to find a new way to get attention and be a pain in the ass.
I'm surprised that you have an opinion on this.
If they gave up being vegans they would have to find a new way to get attention and be a pain in the ass.
Don't they just go down to their local DNC office and get a new MOS or some shit?
+1
Since doesn't come 'directly' from an animal, will vegetarians/vegans eat it?
ah, KH beat me to it.
It's only a problem for ethical vegetarians. Quite a few are vegetarian because they think meat is unhealthy. However, it's hard not to think that at least some of the research disparaging not only meat but all animal products might be driven by people who don't want animals consumed for ethical, not nutritional, reasons.
Well, there are arguments to be made that eating meat is unhealthy. But, lab grown meat could easily eliminate a lot of that unhealthiness, such as making the meat much leaner and eliminating other harmful things found in farm raised animals.
Seems to me that the better approach would be to make us all fusion powered.
no no... arc reactor powered like Iron Man
Really, any energy source not involving the consumption of living or formerly living material would do.
but I like eating food...
Not illegal. . .yet.
So they want to take the satisfaction of sinking my teeth into their tenderloin as they try and run away? That's freakin' communism man. We're animals not lab rats.
Huh, I didn't realize it when I read it before, but using stem cells, you could effectively have legal cannibalism. Since it's synthetic you could study how prions are formed and how to decrease the chances of them appearing.
I wonder how far you can take this before it creeps people out too much and they say "that is too far." Lab-grown human heart? Tastes great with Sriracha.
Oops
You know what goes well with Tarter Sauce
And is there anything really wrong with this, per se? What's wrong with cannibalism is the whole killing part. If you can grow Soylent Green in a lab harmlessly, I'd probably try it. It's supposed to taste good with fava beans.
I can see now what the advertisers will do once this hits the big time:
"Hey, guys? Always wanted to eat Carmen Electra? Well, now you can!"
This always comes up when vat meat is being discussed.
Soylent Green is people, but it's okay, folks.
I remember a scifi short story about this, though I unfortunately can't remember the name. I guess it's not so unfortunate, since the fact that it's sort of cannibalism is the reveal at the end.
Niven? The one where aliens traded knowledge with us for the right to clone human meat to eat (same idea--just meat grown)? Can't remember the title, but it was a Draco Tavern story.
No, it was humans eating it. There was some artificial meat company that had this new product that people couldn't get enough of. A rival company is trying to duplicate it but they can't figure out what it is. At the end they reveal it's human meat by having a guy in a meeting saying that you probably haven't heard of the word "carnivore", but there is an even more obscure one: "cannibal".
Well, scientists are trying to grow human organs in labs. I'm all for it, but not for eating. They will be using them for transplants. It would be great to grow a heart from tissue from healthy tissue of the patient. The risk of rejection would be significantly less if there is any.
But if it ends up being like "The Island", then we would naturally put a stop to it.
Huh, I didn't realize it when I read it before, but using stem cells, you could effectively have legal cannibalism. Since it's synthetic you could study how prions are formed and how to decrease the chances of them appearing.
I'm for it.
I have to say, no Reason article before this has ever made me throw up in my mouth a little...... This one? I'm still gagging.....
Ron Popeil!
Also, this is a good thread for Goatwhore.
I can't wait for my Ronco meat synthesizer and stem cell juicer.
Just set it and...
I look forward to all my vegetarian/vegan friends flipping out about how unnatural that is, while joyfully eating a product made from the following:
TEXTURED VEGETABLE PROTEIN (WHEAT GLUTEN, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, WATER FOR HYDRATION), EGG WHITES, CORN OIL, SODIUM CASEINATE, MODIFIED TAPIOCA STARCH, CONTAINS TWO PERCENT OR LESS OF LACTOSE, SOYBEAN OIL, HYDROLYZED VEGETABLE PROTEIN (WHEAT GLUTEN, CORN GLUTEN, SOY PROTEIN), AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT, SPICES, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, SODIUM PHOSPHATES (TRIPOLYPHOSPHATE, TETRAPYROPHOSPHATE, HEXAMETAPHOSPHATE, MONOPHOSPHATE), SALT, DISODIUM INOSINATE, CARAMEL COLOR, CELLULOSE GUM, WHEY POWDER, MODIFIED CORN STARCH, MALTODEXTRIN, POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, DEXTROSE, ONION POWDER, DISODIUM GUANYLATE, VITAMINS AND MINERALS (NIACINAMIDE, IRON [FERROUS SULFATE], THIAMIN MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE [VITAMIN B6], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], VITAMIN B12), SUCCINIC ACID, ASCORBIC ACID, LACTIC ACID, BREWERS YEAST, TORULA YEAST, SOY LECITHIN.
(That's a Morning Star vegetarian sausage patty, by the way.)
Mmmm...Lucifer brand. The most evil of all non-sausages.
+100
I got badgered into going to a natural foods restaurant by coworkers. I ordered a chicken wrap; the chicken part was made from fried seitan. I asked the hippie waitress what could be more unnatural than making chicken from wheat. Not amused.
Did the menu make it clear that that is what would be served? Seems to me something called "chicken" should contain chicken.
My thoughts exactly. I consider it false advertising and fraud to sell a product claiming to be one thing when it is something completely different.
Had a vegetarian friend tell me here tofujerky was all natural. Me: "O rly? Just what part of the soy plant does preserved meat flavor come from?"
They have to put all of that shit in so it tastes like meat.
I've often thought it quite funny that so many vegetarian products try to imitate meat. If you like meat so much, why become a vegetarian?
I find meat substitutes to be abominable, both in concept and execution. Don't try to torture a vegetable until it vaguely resembles a shitty hot dog. The vegetable doesn't deserve that.
I heard that Bulger wheat is a great meat substitute. When I was living on my own, I was trying to cut out meat for health reasons, not out of any sense that eating meat is wrong. Well, I had no luck in making a good bulger burger, and the bulger tacos were... edible but definitely not that great.
So how many days did you make it on your vegetarian kick? 60? 65?
Steak for dinner sometime soon, Schmai-gunug be willin'.
My problem with vat-grown meat is that I won't get the satisfaction of thinking "Screw you cow. I win" while eating it.
-Grew up on a dairy farm
A+
Taunting chickens is fun too.
If we can grow meat, why not skin? Will that mean our sole need for cows will be for milk? What happens to all of that cattle?
We breed myostatin-inhibited bulls to fight other animals on television.
Super Bull v Super Bear etc
We release them into the wild to satisfy the hippies. Then they all die in like 3 days.
Or we keep them for sadists like me.
+1
I like the notion that my cows are killed slowly and methodically, and that during their moment of penultimate suffering, just before they go to whatever hell cows go to, that they release cowdorphins into their bloodstream, giving my steak its sweet, succulent flavor.
I'm fine with meat coming from a lab if it can be made safer, cheaper, and more readily available than from animals.
And if the vat substrate is corn and the lab is in Kansas City.
Man, this far in and nobody references Rudy Rucker? Philistines.
Get your Wendyburger today soon, folks.
"The work is being financed by anonymous and extremely wealthy benefactor who Prof Post claims is a household name with a reputation for "turning everything into gold"."
Phil Spector? Rumpelstiltskin? Donald Trump? Am I getting warm? Why must you torture us with tantalizing blind gossip?
can you say C-A-N-N-I-B-A-L?
I'm pretty sure this is from the story I was trying to remember upthread.
The story starts C-A-R-N-I-V-O-R-E and ends with C-A-N-N-I-B-A-L.
I read it probably 40 years ago.
As I remember the story it starts with a "politician" addressing a major legislative body trying to get a wildly successful new synthetic food product banned. So the politician walks them through the horror of "carnivore" and then the gotcha is "cannibal".
Yup, that's the story I was thinking of (though my earlier description was somewhat off).
Damn the Bene Tleilax with their sligs...
cumming soon:
John Holmes sausage house
and
Linda Lovelace taco shack
Lobsters? Where the hell is lobster girl?
Man I have the sudden craving for a burger!
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He said: "In October we are going to provide a proof of concept showing out of stem cells we can make a product that looks, feels and hopefully tastes like meat."
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