Free-Range Parenting: You're Going to Go to Jail. Maybe.
Hey look, here's a big omnibus article by David Pimentel of the Florida Costal School of Law on all the ways you are potentially legally screwed if you let your kid do stuff that was considered normal at some point in the less intensively parented past.
Choice tidbits:
Even one generation ago, the norms were different for determining the age at which a child no longer needed a babysitter. The expected minimum age for babysitters has gone up as well, although in the few states that have legislated specific ages, the thresholds vary widely. In Illinois, it is illegal to leave a child under 14 unsupervised for an "unreasonable period of time"; in Maryland, in contrast, a 13-year-old is considered old enough not only to care for himself, but to babysit infants. The days when 11- and 12-year-old neighborhood kids were considered competent babysitters appear to be long gone. This development is all the more marked considering that mobile phones have created a virtually instant line of communication between the sitter and the parents, something unheard of in earlier eras, when younger sitters were considered acceptable.
And:
Vague statutes do not provide sufficient guidance to parents to know what matters remain in their discretion, or sufficient guidance to prosecutors and jurors to know when a parental lapse rises to the level of criminal conduct. For parents, the vagueness problem may prompt paranoia. For the legal system, the vagueness problem results in overreliance on the discretion of the prosecutor, on the judge's attempt to give meaning to the statute via jury instructions, and on the judgment of a jury venire already tainted by media hysteria over child protection.
Reason-tastic name drops include Free-Range Kids blogger Lenore Skenazy and security expert Bruce Schneier. Plus childcare expert and statistician Josef Stalin!
Via Bryan Caplan, who says "In absolute terms, I'm not worried about being persecuted by child welfare services. But power-mad bureaucrats probably outnumber kidnappers and serial killers at least a thousand to one."
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I really hate reading essays where the footnotes are longer than the actual essay.
I refuse to take part in child cruelty, so I only eat free range kids.
Use, not abuse.
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People have flat lost all ability to rationally consider risk when it comes to their children. Any freedom can be sacrificed if it'll protect the little sprogs.
T, if you aren't doing your best to be more retarded about your kids than the other parents, it means you're a horrible parent. And they have to see how retarded you are, so that they know how wonderful of a parent you are.
Is it scary to anyone else to read any parenting advice from epi?
Every day is the Special Olympics in the 'burbs. Everyone gets a medal.
Baby leashes for all.
"This leash demeans us both."
Mom put my brother on a leash at the zoo once when he was a toddler. Something about, "Can't have him falling in the white tiger habitat."
Funny. God forbid you would allow your toddler to run free in a park.
The leash sounds like a good idea. Watching TWO toddler running free at the zoo wore me out. Amazing the kind of distance they can travel in a very short time.
You may laugh, but those things will literally shit anywhere they please.
People have flat lost all ability to rationally consider risk when it comes to their children.
FIFY
It's a tragic game of one-upsmanship in the safety sweepstakes. The losers are the kids.
Just think what the world will be like when they grow up and take over.
Better to die young.
Actually, I'm starting to see a backlash amongst the 20-25 year old I work with. They have pretty little tolerance for the big brother crap, so I have a bit of hope.
What are you talking about? It's for the children, isn't it?
Actually, we should all be celebrating. It makes it that much easier for people like us to raise the next generation of benevelont, despotic overlords.
I wish Rick Santorum's Mom had used an aspirin.
I saw that interview today. Did it go viral?
It is getting some attention, to be sure. Not enough, though. It would be funny if it weren't so typical.
Mitchell was in shock. She could barely hold it together and continue with the interview.
For the legal system, the vagueness problem results in overreliance on the discretion of the prosecutor, on the judge's attempt to give meaning to the statute via jury instructions, and on the judgment of a jury venire already tainted by media hysteria over child protection.
You complain when legislatures create rigid mandatory minimums, you complain when legislatures leave enough wiggle room for case by case prosecutor discretion. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS. Which set of idiots do you want to have the final say in how you can live your life?
Mr. Fister,
How about they don't legislate as much. I thought our collective mind was made up about legislation.
Uhm....me.
The idiot I want in charge of my life is me.
The "vagueness" isn't in terms of sentences but in terms of what behavior is prohibited. The "know-it-when-I-see-it" kinds of laws, that basically set up law enforcement and judges as a superior social class able to dictate law and punish people at their whim.
In other news, that little girl can still get an abortion, pills, rubbers, etc, no questions asked.
Exactly!
You know, the phrase "worse than Hitler" is thrown around a lot these days, but now that I remember Skenazy was the crazy lady who sent her 9-year-old to his doom alone on a NYC subway, I can safely say that Lenore Skenazy is literally worse that Hitler.
srsly?
"Doom" - meaning "complete safety and emerging sense of responsibility and autonomy".
For the legal system, the vagueness problem results in overreliance on the discretion of the prosecutor, on the judge's attempt to give meaning to the statute via jury instructions, and on the judgment of a jury venire already tainted by media hysteria over child protection.
And that's just the way they like it.
What part of government of the government, by the government, and for the government don't you understand?
When I was 11, I had a knife, an axe, sleeping bag, and a box full of matches. The boy scouts would let a patrol of 11, 12, and 13 year olds head off into the woods unsupervised for a night of camping.
By the time I was 13, I was lighting and running the grill and cooking burgers for my family while my parents stayed indoors in the air conditioning.
Today, a parent can't even let their kids play with butterknives unsupervised without having CPS called on them. And a box of matches? You'll never get out of prison.
When I was 13, I was allowed to take my dad's .22 and shoot woodchucks. A 13 year old, unsupervised, with a gun, all afternoon.
The horror!
I didn't have a gun when I was a youngster. But my folks would drop me off at the golf course when I was 11 or 12, then come back for my in about 5 hours. I could get 27 holes in on a week day.
27 holes in 5 hours.
So, it's safe to say that you were thoroughly abused.
Making model airplanes at the age of 6, using an exacto knife to cut wood, doping the wings with some solvent to get the nice translucent effect through the paper. I suspect I would not be looked upon well by the busybodies in charge these days.
My older brother and I cast our own lead soldiers, unsupervised, at ages 11 and 9. Yep, real lead, like for bullets.
When I was growing up, I used to have an asshole step-father. I'm talking about a real scumbag. Wife beater and child abuser. He didn't torture or molest us, so he's not the worst of the worst. But he was pretty bad.
Anyway, my mom would work, and his lazy ass would never get a job. When I was five, my half-sister was born. This prick would leave me all alone with a newborn, so he could go off and do whatever he did (probably sleeping around). That is criminal child neglect IMO.
But as I got older, my family did actually have me babysit, like when I was around 10, but not for all that long. Maybe two hours or so. I don't consider that to be awful, and I was all for it. But try half of the things parents did back then and you get hauled off to jail today. Try spanking your unruly child in public today.
Matrix, why do you think she stayed?
I thought the age at which you could leave kids alone is the age when they weren't afraid to be alone. I was left alone overnight, actually 2 or 3 days alone, when I was 14. I admittedly was scared shitless but it was not a problem.
DAY IS AWESOME!!!
Night is scary.
What kind of monster would bring children into this world?
Just curious; into which world do you think it would be better to bring children?
Mars, definitely.
Betazed.
Filthy breeders.
OK man that jsut does not make any sense at all dude.
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It's really quite simple. If something bad happens to your child, you should have done more to prevent it.
/sarc
When I was 10 or 11, my parents started just having me babysit my sister, who was around 2 at the time. I did all the damn work anyway while the babysitter yakked on the phone.
My wife was aghast when I heard this. She's been poisoned by the safety nazis. I fear that my kids will be expected to hold our hands crossing a parking lot until they're out of high school.
Same thing with fucking car seats. What a racket - now kids are supposed to be in car seats until like 10 years old? The hell? Just how powerful is the car seat lobby that they've gotten people to swallow this shit?
It's not the car seat lobby, it's the car lobby. Once you have more than two kids under 10, you have to get a mini-van or SUV to fit three car seats in.
When our oldest was 11, she started baby-sitting for the younger one. This was about 10 years ago, not in generations past. As the piece says, the cell-phone umbilical cord was nice to have, but I don't think we ever needed it, and we would have let her babysit anyway even if all we had was the risky, old-school method of leaving the phone number where we were going to be.
In my case, it was only about 20 years ago - hardly the Dark Ages or anything. I fed her, changed her diapers, played with her and put her to bed. I had simple instructions - don't open the door for anyone and don't answer the phone- let the machine pick it up to see if it was mom and dad calling. If it was, they'd call right back and I'd answer it.
And seriously - you can adjust the height of the seat belts in virtually all cars now. There's absolutely no reason to require a booster seat for an elementary school aged child other than to force parents to spend more damn money on these things.
I still don't understand booster seats, the seat belts in our van can be height adjusted. The seats in the car are nice and comfy and the poor kids have to sit on a piece of fucking hard plastic covered with fabric.
My mom was concerned about my brothers kids not having a baby sitter. His oldest was 13-14 at the time. The youngest around 8. I asked why they needed a babysitter. She said 13-14 was too young to stay by herself. I asked her how old she was when she was taking care of her brother and two sisters. Long pause.
And you wonder why people don't want to reproduce anymore. The last thing a man should do these days is father a kid. It's nothing but a licence to take his rights away.
My grandmother used to send us down to the corner store with a note to buy cigarettes. Funny I never even thought of smoking them, I just wanted the popsicle that I bought with the change.
Oh fuck she let me eat sugar, they should have locked her up.
Oh fuck, I said fuck, now they are going to lock me up.
Now you're fucked.
As we (as a society) keep our kids younger than our forebears did, why do we let these infants vote? Should we really be letting children decide the fate of the nation?
Dang, 14 is too young to be alone? It used to be that 14-15 year-olds would serve as junior officers in the military. Hell I was a latch key kid in the 5th grade and would be home alone for several hours before my parents got home. Now look at me I turned out okay I guess. I've only set the backyard on fire once!