Are State Colleges Ripping Us Off?

Half of all college students make no learning gains in their first two years, and 36 percent show no significant intellectual growth even after four years.

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“You can observe a lot just by watching,” said Yogi Berra. A national group has been watching Virginia’s colleges and universities, and much that it has observed is not flattering. Grumpy old skinflints and youthful Occupy protesters alike should take note.

A new report by ACTA, the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, notes research indicating nearly half of all college students make no learning gains in their first two years, and 36 percent show no significant intellectual growth even after four years. Yet GPAs have been trending upward. Colleges, says ACTA, are giving “more credit for less learning.”

And they are charging more for it, especially here. “The cost of higher education has gone up all over the country,” ACTA says, “but it has exploded at colleges and universities in Virginia.” At Christopher Newport in Hampton Roads, tuition and fees have risen more than 50 percent since the 2004-2005 academic year. William and Mary is almost as bad. Virginia Tech, VCU, and Radford have hiked student costs by more than 40 percent, and most other state schools are only a few percentage points behind.

University leaders will tell you they had to do this, because the General Assembly has cut their funding. True, but they overstate their case. First, steep tuition hikes extend far beyond the recent recession. Bureau of Labor Statistics data show that college costs have risen more than 700 percent since 1981 â€" five times faster than all other consumer goods.

Second, Virginia colleges’ share of a growing state budget has shrunk in large part because other budget categories got bigger faster. Medicaid, for instance, is growing at an explosive pace. And as the ACTA report notes, “even before the augmented budgets of 2011, Virginia’s funding per full-time student in public higher education compared favorably with the funding levels in other states, exceeding that of such states as California.” (You can look up the colleges’ budget histories at http://dpb.virginia.gov.)

Where is the money going? Some is going to the classroom â€" but more is going to the bureaucracy. While spending on instruction has risen at every Virginia school, administrative outlays have risen faster at all but two: Norfolk State and VCU. “A growing share of school funds is going to pay for layers and layers of administration,” writes ACTA. “In the six-year period ending in 2008-2009, all but one of the 15 public institutions in [Virginia] increased their spending on administration and did so by an average of 65.1 percent. … At two schools [Longwood and James Madison], administrative costs more than doubled. … At Longwood, as with five other public institutions, instructional spending now constitutes less than half of all [education and general] expenditures.”

Schools are erecting new buildings â€" while existing classrooms sit empty. The State Council of Higher Education in Virginia (SCHEV) says classrooms should be used 40 hours a week and labs should be used 24 hours a week. Twelve of Virginia’s public colleges fall short of that benchmark.

There are some bright spots. Nationwide, only 79.5 percent of freshmen return for their sophomore year. UVa and William and Mary have first-year retention rates of 96 percent and 95 percent respectively. That’s superb. Only four of the 15 state schools fall below the average. Virginia’s colleges also claim better graduation rates than colleges nationwide.

But while 93 percent of UVa’s students graduate within six years, the figure is worse at some other schools. At Norfolk State, it’s an abysmal 34 percent. The low graduation rates suggest some schools are admitting students who aren’t ready. That doesn’t do the students â€" or the taxpayers â€" any favors.

What to do? First, a tuition rollback and freeze like that enacted a decade ago is in order. Second, state lawmakers should put some teeth into the Institutional Performance Standards monitored by SCHEV. Colleges that aren’t using their available building space already, for instance, shouldn’t build new classrooms and labs. Third, restructure financial aid. Giving students more money does them no good if colleges just jack up tuition accordingly.

Fourth: Ax the costly frills. As this column detailed in October, student activity fees that run to several hundred dollars subsidize activities that benefit very few students. The vast majority of college sports teams are unwatched money losers.

Fifth, lawmakers should check out “Less Academics, More Narcissism,” by the Manhattan’s Institute Heather Mac Donald. It’s an eye-opening look at the sprawling administrative empire created by the diversity industry in California’s college system. Virginia has some of the same problem. UVa alone has a six-person Office for Diversity and Equity, a seven-person Office of African-American Affairs, a Center for Diversity in Engineering, an Office of Graduate Student Diversity Programs, an Associate Dean of Diversity for the medical school, a program coordinator for Asian/Asian Pacific American programs, a program coordinator for multicultural student services, a program coordinator for the gay and lesbian resource center, and so on.

Finally, parents should be more hard-nosed about the country-club atmospheres colleges use to compete for applicants. This year tuition and fees at the state’s four-year colleges will jump almost 10 percent. Anyone think students will get a 10 percent better education in return?

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  1. Also don’t forget, like most of the public sector, state colleges tend to be unionized.

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  2. first 2 yrs eh?

    the first 2 yrs, w general course requirments, are for drinkin & bangin

    1. The smart ones figure out that they can do both those things without taking out tens of thousands in non-dischargeable debt.

      1. I can’t tell you how much fun I had crashing parties on the hill in Boulder, pretending to be a fellow student.

        Good times!

        1. I can’t tell you

          I appreciate that.

        2. my weightlifting coach still does this at CU. And he’s over 40. everyone thinks he’s a grad student.

        3. Not surprising, given how relatively easy it is to blend in there.

        4. “I can’t tell you how much fun I had..”

          You can tell us, oh wait, you did tell us.

  3. A new report by ACTA, the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, notes research indicating nearly half of all college students make no learning gains in their first two years

    All of my kid’s said that the first two-three years was a rehash of what they learned in HS.

    1. that hasn’t changed. When I took college algebra a million years ago, it was the same as Alg II in high school.

      1. Then why didn’t you take Calculus?

  4. I would take it even further and say that intellectual growth reverses. The crap that is taught from many Marxist leaning courses turns the brain into mud.

    1. But … but … all of that pomo-decon stuff has to be important to, um, something. Doesn’t it?

    2. College is really only useful for STEM studies.

      1. It depends on what you mean by useful.

  5. Another option for students (and parents) is to consider the community college system, particularly in Virginia. There are guaranteed admissions agreements in place between community colleges and several state colleges and universities that allow a student to do their first 2 years at a CC for a much lower price and then transfer easily. And, there are a growing number of programs that provide students the opportunity to apply for free tuition at the CC.

    But in general, I agree with you. The money is being spent in the wrong places.

    @sarcasmic — that may be the case in some states, but not in Virginia.

    1. The CC option is a good one. It’s available under the same terms in my state. Many students are being admitted to schools with sub-par reading, composition, and math skills and require one or two semesters of remediation. The low-cost offered by community colleges makes any necessary remediation affordable.

      Of course, the idea that after 12 years of formal education an 18 yo person cannot parse a sentence or compose a paragraph or pass basic algebra only further illustrates the sad state of public education.

      I asked about this once in a faculty meeting – what is it that colleges are doing that remediates students in 16 weeks that we (the high school) are not doing in four years? The answer: “when students pay for it, they will work harder. We don’t really have to worry about it because they will pick up the skill eventually.”

      I am deadly serious, that was the response to my question. Just pass the buck up the chain, don’t bother doing your job…

      1. So maybe we should be paying directly for K-12 education?

        1. oh, absolutely.

          But one thing that particular administrator overlooked is that the average college student is not paying for his education, at least not directly. There is no money being taken away from his bank account to fund the education, no cash being handed over, no credit card balance to pay down every month. It’s a matter of a few signatures and an electronic funds transfer, and the semester is magically paid for.

          Some students may be partially or wholly funded either by self or parents, but I think it is likely not that many. The sticker shock of tuition costs does not register, so it’s easy to just piss away the first few years, capable of passing or not.

          1. I have a son in his freshman year. We did pre-paid, but any withdrawals, failings, or retakes are coming out of his pocket.

            1. I was fortunate enough that my parents had socked away money for my college education. But its true, I didn’t really appreciate it, the costs at least, until now when I am paying out fo pocket for post grad classes. Over a grand for a total of eight classes or something like that from a well respected state instutition…. The fact that the class I am taking has real world applications when compared to 80% of my undergrad classes salves the wounds somewhat.

    2. That is what my nephew did. He got a full ride to community college. And then went on to a four year college. It is taking advantage of a flaw in the market of parents and kids being dumb and not realizing you don’t have to go to a four year school from the beginning.

      1. Part of the problem is that community colleges still have the reputation of being “Grade 13”. We’re trying very hard to change that, but it is an uphill battle.

        1. The open access is part of what hurts community colleges. Aside from not having a high school diploma or GED, they take anyone. And most people do not want to go to school in their own backyard, unless a very good school happens to be in their own backyard.

          I went to Rutgers, which was in my backyard – 10 miles from home. People told me it was no big deal to go there because everyone goes there, like 13th grade…go figure.

          1. “High school with ashtrays.”

          2. So, what do you think of your former head coach?

            1. meh. When I was there, RU was just buying into the Big East conference and it was considered the Big Deal of Hub City. Schiano came on well after I was gone. He did good things for the football program but was over-hyped and overpaid.

              His departure for Tampa Bay is probably a good move, for him at least. Don’t know if the F***aneers can ever reclaim their Superbowl glory of 2001 under his guidance, but maybe he was cut out for the pros, you never know.

              RU was panicking that their potential recruits would sign elsewhere given Schiano’s departure, but they retained something like 83% of their commitments. Not too bad.

              1. Rutgers had a fantastic class this year, they were able to close out a lot of high end talent after Schiano left. It would have been a consensus top-10 and arguably top-5 class if they pulled in a 5-star. I’m very impressed, and excited to see how it pans out.

                I also grew up and live in the shadow of RU. The school’s reputation amongst the students of this area should be a lot higher. I’m kicking myself for not having gone there; I’d be a lot better off for the same money spent.

              2. Hope it works out. The owners have gotten weird, so I don’t know what the hell they’re up to. I suspect that Butch Davis is going to be the DC, but for some reason–probably related to his UNC severance–he’s been named an “assistant.”

        2. To be fair, most colleges anywhere are “Grade 13”–even the Ivy League.

          1. I took enough AP tests that I could skip to Grade 14.

        3. “Part of the problem is that community colleges still have the reputation of being “Grade 13″. We’re trying very hard to change that, but it is an uphill battle.”

          Why would you try very hard to change a reputation that is true?

    3. @sarcasmic — that may be the case in some states, but not in Virginia.

      It is here in Maine.

      1. One of the many reasons why I moved out of Maine!

    4. I did community college for two years… Saved boatloads of cash; one of the best decisions I’ve ever made.

  6. GPA’s trend acclivously but not learning?

    For most, university only teaches one how to think

    1. Unfortunately in my case, I did not even learn how to think.

      1. Did you not get your marching orders from the jerk circle?

        Don’t forget your shoes

    2. “university only teaches one how to think”

      By that, do you mean that university teaches one how to logically analyze problems, arguments, and propositions to determine whether they are sound and/or valid?

      Or do you mean that university indoctrinates its students and brainwashes them into a particular ideology instead of letting consider the evidence and decide for themselves?

      1. And the puppets are dancing

      2. Walk away, JEP. Just walk away. Just ignore rectal and there can be an end to the horror.

        1. Just filter me already. Do you need me to show you how, little boy?

        2. I second this motion. It’s the only answer. It has no reasoning capacity. Go slam your dick in an oven; far more productive, and same effect.

          1. Is that why women never seem to learn? They don’t have the dick slammed in the oven option?

        3. There will never be an end to the horror. Rather could leave today and people would still suspect crazy rantings and different handles were her 10 years from now.

          We are DOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMEEEEEEDDDDDD

      3. JEP, in a sense it does not matter if the information is politically slanted; life corrects.

        1. But I’m not paying to be educated with a political slant. It really becomes a problem when the professor doesn’t realize his/her bias and gives assignments lower grades because the assignment supports views contrary to their own.

          Outside of academia, I agree – it doesn’t matter if the information is politically slanted. As a student, your university has you by the balls – so they coerce you to agree with that political slant, dissent from it isn’t welcome, and there are very few universities that offer an opposing political slant, so you don’t have very many options.

          1. Hmm, try working for a living; STFU is the first lesson you wished you learned in college

            1. I do work for a living. I was hired as a freshman in college in a bad economy, you arrogant slaver.

              And I was hired precisely because I don’t STFU.

              You see, intelligent people have valuable opinions and are therefore encouraged to express them.

              Dumb-as-shit people are encouraged to STFU…so maybe that’s why you get that a lot.

              1. “Dumb-as-shit people are encouraged to STFU…so maybe that’s why you get that a lot”

                or say it

        2. True but a lot of damage is done during the 20s while life is working on the correction.

          1. I think you are learned when you have to reason why your indoctrination is right or wrong; I feel the same way about religion

    3. I had to google “acclivously” to make sure it wasn’t a real word. It isn’t. But it sounds nice. I’ll drop it in conversation and see if anyone notices.

      1. Dang it. I fail at Google. It is a real word. I just learned something from Rather! OR was it a sockpuppet.

  7. UVa alone has a six-person Office for Diversity and Equity, a seven-person Office of African-American Affairs, a Center for Diversity in Engineering, an Office of Graduate Student Diversity Programs, an Associate Dean of Diversity for the medical school, a program coordinator for Asian/Asian Pacific American programs, a program coordinator for multicultural student services, a program coordinator for the gay and lesbian resource center, and so on.

    Hell’s bells, I thought that the university where I went for law school was the Vatican of political correctness, but we had nothing like that. “Diversity” that needs to be propped up to that extent isn’t worth having — and I say that as a member of one of the groups that would receive all of that “help.”

    1. You will find there is nothing diverse in these “diversity” groups, the accepted and correct thought that is allowed is in a very narrow band.

    2. universities appear to be the places where people are told segregation is bad and diversity is good while being surrounded by institutions that do nothing but segregate them by skin color, genitals, or whatever else.

      The only diversity NOT tolerated on most campuses is that of thought and/or ideology. Those offices create a false illusion that is quickly shattered once the sheltered darlings go looking for work. Most offices don’t care about your demographics, just your ability.

    3. To people mentioning viewpoint diversity: Tell me something I don’t know. I often was the viewpoint diversity.

  8. We don’t really have to worry about it because they will pick up the skill eventually.

    Spoken like truly dedicated tenured educator. If those worthless unionized bastards could be tossed out on their asses for poor performance, maybe they might exert themselves a little more.

    Or am I just kidding myself?

    1. Or am I just kidding myself?

      Yes. I will not return to teaching unless and until unions are abolished completely. Which means I will never teach again, excepting my own children.

      1. Private schools also hire teachers I hear. Or do they have to follow union rules where you are?

        1. It depends on the school.

          My state has the 85% rule for union dues. Don’t want to join the union? You don’t have to. But since you are a beneficiary of their collective bargaining efforts, you must pay 85% of the dues fee to them.

          Fucking racket.

          1. What happens if you just don’t pay?

            1. There is no option not to pay. They take it out of your paycheck; when you sign your employment contract, you give the union permission to do so.

              No contract, no job. So persons of principle who reject the necessity of unions become squirmy dogs who’ve had their day.

              1. Oh, the joys of living in a right-to-work state.

              2. reduce your state or federal tax bill by the amount of your union dues. If audited, instruct revenue service to obtain missing tax from the union who stole it. Ask to speak to a judge. Ask the judge to protect you from those who would steal from you. If the judge can’t do that, the government has no business taxing you.

    2. How would performance be measured ? there are probably tons of sociology professors that produce students with high marks. Universities would never dream of measuring performance based on how much money their students make.

  9. TLDNStudy
    University | Massachusetts, USA | Students

    (I work at a university; note that it is generally considered very academically competitive.)

    Student: “I think there’s a hold on my account.”

    Me: “Yes, health services put a registration hold on your account because they don’t have your immunization?”

    Student: “Wait, that’s a big word! I don’t know what that means!”
    —————-

    from notalwaysright.com

    1. You work at Tufts, don’t you. I sneer at you.

    2. I SHOW U IMMUNIZATIONS. DROP PANTS

  10. A few years ago, my university student newspaper published an article about how college degrees were worth more than they used to be because…you were paying more for them.

    1. Worth more to whom? To the university selling them, yes. Worth more to the buyer? In one sense, yes, because they are paying more. A better investment than before? Depends…

      1. Some big time newspaper published an article about how college degrees were becoming worthless – to the people who receive them.

        Some genius at the student paper thought “but wait, how can they be worthless when we’re paying more for them?”

        1. No doubt the product of being taught how to think at Big U.

        2. Aah, thanks for the context. Agree, this is high-grade muppetry

  11. Any break down of data by major and those who switched majors in the middle of their college career?

    I recall Duke recently raised a ruckus when two researchers found that the GPAs of black students were lower than white/Asian students, and that increases in black GPAs as time went on was partially due to switching majors from hard sciences to softer areas like sociology and history.

    Could this be a factor in the overall case of GPA inflation? Are students going to school intending to become engineers, finding out that calculus is too hard, and then switching to psychology to save face and graduate?

    1. At my school, the freshman drop out rate from engineering was about 25%. The sophomore drop out rate was usually between 25-30% percent. That’s mainly because you don’t pick a discipline of engineering until sophomore year – so people drop out as freshman because they can’t handle the math/physics/coding, and they drop out when their sophomores because they can’t handle the intro classes to electrical/aero/mechanical/whatever.

      Also, my school was one of the only ones in the country with grade deflation. Average GPA has actually dropped since 1976 when they started tracking that data.

      1. “their sophomores”

        I’m so ashamed…

        1. Ignorant Philistine!

          :fills out 50th employment application in two weeks:

          1. Yes, don’t look to English majors for excellent grammar and spelling, either.

            1. Heh, I really thought “english major” meant the same thing as “unemployed.”

              1. It’s a rough equivalence.

            2. Heh, my son’s former g/f is an English major. She is a junior and is already lamenting the lack of employment opportunities for her field. When my wife suggested starting somewhere doing copy editing/proofing to get a foot in the door, she brought how terrible her grammar and spelling were.

      2. I think the wash out rate for Architecture at my school was around that sophomore and junior year. Junior year was the worst (Imagine being pretty much the only building on campus with it’s lights on everyday at 4am, knowing you need to finish building this damn model just so you can start on the new one you’ll have to start in studio in 10 hours, on top of studying for your calculus/physics/history exams). I knew a ton of people that switched to graphic design cause of it.

        1. Frankly I think part of the problem is that universities have so many bullshit classes you have to take on top of your majors. I went to college for 5 years, getting two degrees. The easiest year was my fifth year because the only classes I had to focus on were for my major. I didn’t have to jump around from fucking ethcs (why big goverment is right), liberal arts (why big goverment is right, art (why big goverment needs to support crap), or any other bullshit class that had nothing to do with my future.

        2. I feel for you.

          None the less, I swear that at any physics department of reasonable size there is never a time when some office isn’t occupied.

          Christmas day? Check.

          Sunday at 3:00 am during the summer? Check.

          Iron bowl Saturday at the University of Alabama? Check. And they had to walk a mile in because you can’t park on or near campus on a game day.

          New Years even, just before midnight? Check. Hey, but at least they had a bottle to celebrate with.

      3. I’ve got my BSEE, and my college experience was unfamiliar. But, it would be bad to hold it against those who dropped into other majors after their Freshman or even Sophomore years. I didn’t know what I wanted to be when I went to college, so I took the hardest courses possible so that they would be sure to transfer over if I wanted to change my major. Other people, I’m sure, did the same thing. I remember a class I took Sophomore year where 25% of the class failed outright, even with a large curve. It really separated the men from the IT majors.

        1. I’m also a BSEE. Definitely not holding it against people who drop out. If they can find something else they’re good at that requires less stress, more power to them.

          The large majority of the time I was in class, I was jealous of the people in other majors – more of a social life, less stress, they had girls in their classes, etc. Ain’t nothing wrong with that.

      4. My Community College Accounting 101 professor, the very first thing out of his mouth of the first class was “Statistics show that 50% of you will drop this class before the second week is finished.”

        This is when I my suspicions was confirmed: 1) 90% of the human population are utter morons, and 2) slavery is not a policy but a logical conclusion.

  12. Just as long as the marching band has spiffy uniforms, it doesn’t matter if they can balance their checkbooks.

    1. Just as long as the marching band has spiffy uniforms

      Or 20 different combinations of football uniforms.

      (Fuck Oregon and Phil Knight for starting that retarded trend)

  13. Way too optimistic. Seventy per cent of the “students” in college don’t belong there.

  14. Its funny – I knew everything when I was 13, but with every passing year I know less and less. I graphed it out, and finally, 7 years ago, I determined I didn’t know a damned thing. I figure at the rate I am going I will reach the “stupid” singluarity in 3 or 4 years…or be elected to Congress

    1. Shouldn’t that read

      …and be elected to Congress?

  15. I’m a current college student and I think one of the central problems is the fact that teachers od not enforce the very standards that they set out. For example, my teachers say that they will grade out posts for grammar, but then when some students have obvious grammar issues (call it ghetto speak), they are given a pass. It seems they are just considered disadvantaged and all the while I get marks off sonce I worked hard to improve my own grammar by things like reading and studying.

    These people I am sure will be pushed through their years at school so that the school can suck off the federal funding teat for 4 years and then graduate these morons. But at least, the schools’ records look clean seen the person graduated…

    1. teachers od not enforce the very standards … my teachers say that they will grade out posts for grammar … sonce I worked hard to improve my own grammar

      Next job: work on proofreading.

      (Yeah I know, snarky and bitchy…)

      1. Fuck proof reading on reason

    2. I took Technical Writing, just for the hell of it, and each spelling or grammatical error meant a letter grade reduction. That’s hardcore. I had some engineering friends in the class that were suffering in deeply profound ways.

      1. I really enjoyed every english class I took in college.

        Don’t find it very useful in either psychology or auto mechanics, but still fun.

        Definitely would not pay to take it again.

      2. I work with some engineers who would have benefited from that class.

      3. That’s how we were graded on papers…in high school. The logic was you have had 8 years of rigorous grammar education, spell check on the computer, and access to teachers whom you can ask grammar questions. Every mistake was a one point reduction from the final grade. And Pro Lib, since you are in the area and it may mean something, I went to Canterbury.

  16. The biggest factor in non-technical college disciplines is credentialism. It doesn’t really matter what you do for those four years, just that you come out of it with the diploma.

    It’s not like your entry-level job in the white collar ghetto will require any special skills you didn’t have before college (assuming basic language proficiency)–just that it’s a good way for employers to weed out candidates.

  17. UVa and William and Mary have first-year retention rates of 96 percent and 95 percent respectively. That’s superb.

    Superb? I wonder. Considering how poorly educated many college graduates are, I’m inclined to think that it’s better that more of them see the light and quit while they’re only ass-deep in debt.

  18. Everything I need to know I learned in 2nd grade, or something like that.

  19. Most kids right out of High School are not College material, I sure wasn’t. Many of them should enter the work force, or Military for a few years, deal with the harsh realities of working for a living and paying bills, THEN go to College. They’ll appreciate it more and have a better perspective of which professors are shooting them straight and which ones are pushing a view point. My two cents…

  20. Ohh! What a surprise! State-owned and -regulated schools don’t teach their students a blessed thing! Shock! Disbelief!

    Next I expect a longer article on how the sun shines for hours each day … most places, anyway.

    1. The stats are worthless without knowing which majors these failing students are selecting. Race is likely a factor as well given the poor performance of inner city schools and the attitude that diversity is better than an educated graduate.

  21. “[C]ollege costs have risen more than 700 percent since 1981 ? five times faster than all other consumer goods.”

    Student loans became non-dischargeable in bankruptcy in 1978.

    I bet these two facts are related somehow.

  22. I learned quite a bit in a state college, but I give myself a large share of the credit for having a strong work ethic and a desire to learn. I could have gotten my engineering degree with much less effort. In spite of the positive outcomes, I can certainly say that college contributed to a great decline in my work ethic. This has been a hindrance to my career greater than if I had not had access to a world class recreation center or diversity training. Central planning in education needs to stop so that our youth can get the real training they need.

  23. Were I not retired, having sold my businesses four years ago, I believe I’d run personnel ads specifying that recent college grads need not apply. So-called higher education in this country has become far worse than a bad joke – it’s criminal fraud at worst and a means of keeping unneeded people out of the workforce at best. It’s an enterprise that “employs” hundreds of thousands of utterly useless bottom feeders whom it remunerates handsomely for contributing little or nothing to the nation at large. Obviously, I don’t include science, medical, or engineering students and faculty among the foregoing, but as for the rest? Include them in the unemployment numbers.

    1. I highly suspect that my similar suspicions are true. It’s become a nation of fuckin lawyers, accountants, and starbucks baristas. The kids work at starbucks to help pay for college with federal money, then graduate, not having any actual skills, then go into some industry that somehow continues to exist by, again, sucking money from taxpayers. Accountants are employed because of our clusterfuck tax laws, lawyers are employed because of our fucking clusterfuck judicial system, which is run by lawyers and judges (who are lawyers ultimately) in whose interest it is to keep things complicated and litigious so they keep their jobs, and all the idiots who graduate with non-skills like “sociology” or “English” or “Communications” go back into working for a college, which is only in business because of massive state and federal grants and money.

      It’s a retarded leech system that just runs itself, keeps itself going with its free money from the taxpayer. Meanwhile, everyone looks down on people who do actual things. Plumbers, HVAC guys, welders, oh no, they’re not educated. Those are stupid people. It’s ridiculous.

      I challenge anyone to tell me what graduates of the following things know, what are these skill sets? If you ask these people, what do you know how to do? What will they tell you?
      -Sociology
      -Women’s Studies
      -African American studies
      -History
      -Philosophy
      -Communications
      -English
      -English lit

  24. in general all our education is a fucking joke

    you could have academies where in a matter of six months the students would come out fluent in Excel, Word, and powerpoint for a few thousand dollars, maybe ten,

    or fluent all relevant aspects of running or helping to run a business – a little bit of accounting, how to file things with the state, etc.

    or just the trades

    SKILLS and KNOWLEDGE are the most important things and are the last things our education system teaches

    but all the free money goes to our fucking weird, disjuncted, 4-year programs that don’t teach any complete, rigorous course of SKILLS and KNOWLEDGE. Why the fuck should I have to read Maya Angelou if I want to become an engineer? How the fuck does pointing me from one class, to another class, without SHOWING me how the skills taught, if there are any, over the course of FOUR YEARS, actually help TRAIN me for anything? It doesn’t

    The way they teach language is the perfect example. They write everything out and teach the exact rules of the grammar. They study it as a study thing – studyiong for the sake of studying. Almost as something to be marveled and picked out slowly. But that’s not how you learn a language. You learn it by speaking. The minute you show any written words you’re immediately slowling down learning by causing the students to use a different part of the brain. You should learn to SPEAK first, THEN you can learn to read it. Like you do in real life growing up – speech supercedes reading. Now private companies have to pick up the slack with shit like Rosetta Stone. Though there are also apparently verbal classes in some places, not that any federal money gets to them.

    But liberals want to keep all the free money only in their decayed, stupid institution, because they think the world can run with just lawyers and baristas and no plumbers or mechanics or any tradesmen, and they would prefer the world that way

    I challenge any liberal to provide me with a serious justification for why FAFSA money shouldn’t be allowed to be used for almost any kind of education or classes. If free money is so great, then why the hell can’t all the people who need it get more use out of it? The market, i.e. PEOPLE, mainly employers and students/potential-employees, will feel it out in just a few years and know what works and what doesn’t.

  25. here are some college gems

    -An american history class, where from 1770’s to WWII, no matter what the teacher was talking about, he managed to scream abou George Bush every few minutes. He’d go from talking about Thomas Jefferson or Woodrow Wilson, to screaming about George Bush. Spittle would literally fly out of this guy’s mouth at times.

    -A “philosophy” class that involved literally nothing but sitting down and talking about issues, generally directed in a liberal agenda way (in terms of what was picked to talk about – the old canards of media and advertising controlling people, or religion being bas or whatever), and somehow the teacher managed to mention he has scat fantasies of some kind.

    This is the modern college.

    1. Reminds me of a little old women in a grocery store in Seattle. I walked into the elevator with her and for a second the buttons wouldn’t respond. I smiled sheepishly and said “technology right” she smiled and said an affirmative and then said.

      “Dick Cheney and his puppet Bush managed to screw up the elevators too.”

      I started to laugh until I realized she was fuckng serious…. She had this crazed look in here eye, it haunts me to this day.

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