A.M. Links: Romney Creams Gingrich, Ron Paul Talks Sense on Cuba, Syrian Government "Massacres" Women and Children

Mike Riggs | 1.27.2012 8:37 AM

Gingrich bombed at last night's debate, now destined to lose Florida.
Ron Paul calls for an end to Cuba embargo; polls say he's wise to do so.
Eyes turn to Sen. Marco Rubio as GOP VP pick.
Mitt Romney overpaid in taxes, says…The New York Times?
More on Twitter's new censorship policy.
Syrian forces commit more monstrous acts.

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db 13 years ago

First!
1. poetry 13 years ago
  
  misspelled
2. lily 13 years ago
  
  My neighbor just met a bisexual man on ---datebi*cOMit's where for men and women looking for bisexual and bi-curious individuals to meet in a friendly and comfortable environment.
  It's a nice place for the people who have the same sexual orientation.
  1. invisible furry hand 13 years ago
    
    My neighbor just met a minarchist man on reason.com where for men and women looking for ancap and libertarian individuals to meet in a friendly and comfortable environment.
    It's a nice place for the people who have the same cantankerous orientation.
    1. Brandon 13 years ago
      
      What are you lookin at?
invisible furry hand 13 years ago

Can we get morning links earlier? Dammit it's 12.40 in the morning here! Or is this a cunning plan to discourage sleep-deprived antipodeans?
1. Ice Nine 13 years ago
  
  Hell, 12:40AM is when I go to bed. But this 5:37AM deal is starting to push it a bit for us Californians.
  1. invisible furry hand 13 years ago
    
    So both sides of the Pacific get screwed? The plot thickens...
    1. Ice Nine 13 years ago
      
      Screwed? Maybe. AM Links is at least rimming the Pacific.
      1. Concerned 13 years ago
        
        It's a travesty of epic proportions.
db 13 years ago

Didn't watch the debate, but weren't people all like, "Gingrich would flatten Obama in a debate; that's why he should be the GOP candidate?" So if Romney creams Gingrich in a debate, what does that mean?
1. - 13 years ago
  
  It means it's another day.
2. Bee Tagger 13 years ago
  
  You know how when you first start to question the War on Drugs in your mind and you reach a point where you are against it but you understand how reasonable people can still be for it? But then eventually you stop thinking reasonable people could ever hold that opinion? I'm at that point with Gingrich. How on earth can anyone think he's a good debater? He is routinely the worst on stage. He routinely appeals to authority, sets up countless strawmen, and uses a knowledge of history to cover-up a complete lack of critical thinking skills.
  1. Ice Nine 13 years ago
    
    He's glib and facile. That sells. Most folks don't need no stinkin' critical thinking rules.
    1. poetry 13 years ago
      
      glib glib glib glib glib glib glib glib
      
      i'm a newtfish!
    2. Tulpa 13 years ago
      
      ^Pretty much this.
      
      In addition, I cringe at how other people I know use straw men and other fallacies, and think they're scoring points.
      
      I just don't think many people see your objections as a problem, because they do it too.
      1. Ice Nine 13 years ago
        
        In addition, I cringe at how other people I know use straw men and other fallacies, and think they're scoring points.
        
        It approaches universality. Most people, even in the intelligent crowds we all run with, simply don't know the difference. Truth be told, every one of us here tosses out a fallacious argument more often than we'd like to think.
        
        Sparky 13 years ago
        
        every one of us here tosses out a fallacious argument
        
        Nice appeal to common practice.
        
        Ice Nine 13 years ago
        
        LOL
        
        k2000k 13 years ago
        
        Sorry sparky Ice never said that because everyone spouts bullshit sometimes that it makes it ok or reasonable. Rather his point is that everyone can be unreasonable. So he never made the fallacy of appealing to common articles, its right there in point number two.
        
        Sparky 13 years ago
        
        Thanks k200k.
        
        Sparky 13 years ago
        
        So he never made the fallacy of appealing to common articles, its right there in point number two.
        
        Anyway, my point was a little more meta.
      2. mr simple 13 years ago
        
        You're absolutely right. Back when i was a dumb republican I routinely bought into the fallacious tu quoque arguments posited by conservative writers. Then I grew up. Taking logic classes in college also helped.
        
        o3 13 years ago
        
        it is NOT tu quoque however to ask why the same standard does NOT apply to both parties.
      3. Maxxx 13 years ago
        
        In addition, I cringe at how other people I know use straw men and other fallacies,
        
        Did you just call Obama other people?
  2. R C Richard Simmons 13 years ago
    
    uses a facade of knowledge of history to cover-up a complete lack of critical thinking skills.
    
    I haven't watched a single debate this year, and I doubt I ever will, in my life. Ever.
    
    You want a perverse sort of irritainment? Watch a Presidential debate.
    
    You want some knowledge/information about a candidate? Look at their record and history.
    1. Rev. Blue Moon 13 years ago
      
      I think you get stung by joke handles more than any other commenter.
      1. robc 13 years ago
        
        I think I have a near 100% fail rate with joke handles.
      2. R C Dean 13 years ago
        
        Yeah, yeah. For me, they are sort of "fire and forget".
    2. Pro Libertate 13 years ago
      
      Agreed and agreed. I haven't watched a debate since maybe freshman year of college.
      1. robc 13 years ago
        
        1992 Democratic Debate may have been my last (seven dwarfs debate).
        
        Ive probably seen bits of others since, but none that I paid attention to.
  3. Loki 13 years ago
    
    routinely appeals to authority, sets up countless strawmen, and uses a knowledge of history to cover-up a complete lack of critical thinking skills
    
    A lot of that comes from the way debates are done. It's kind of hard to make any kind of sunstantial response to a question when you're only given a very limited amount of time, so appealing to authority, setting up strawmen, and don't forget about presenting false choices are about the only tactics that work. And if you can cover your tracks with historical references so much the better.
    
    In truth a Gingrich vs. Obama debate would be the most horrible thing ever to watch because they both do all of the above, and people eat that shit up for some reason.
  4. robc 13 years ago
    
    Appeals to authority are a logical fallacy, but not necessary a debating fallacy.
    
    "Because Einstein and Feynmann said physics work that way" is fine 99% of the time. The other 1% is hanging out at a physics conference, which I dont do. Anymore.
    1. Bee Tagger 13 years ago
      
      Very true, but that would more relevant to debates that involve the hard sciences than public policy.
      1. robc 13 years ago
        
        Not necessarily -- an appeal to Washington's fairwell address or JQ Adams' 4th of July speech is nice shorthand on certain foreign policy questions.
      2. robc 13 years ago
        
        Referencing Madison's public works veto is also an appeal to authority.
        
        Basically, constitutional originalism is based on appeals to authority.
      3. Killazontherun 13 years ago
        
        Cringe inducing is browsing through a hard science and technology oriented site like this one:
        http://www.technologyreview.com/
        
        And realizing much of the staff has never been exposed to the Ricardo/Malthus debate. Look at just one headline there today -- Manufacturing Is Key to Innovation as Well as Jobs. So naive. Dig into the article and try to find 'comparative advantage.' Nada.
3. poetry 13 years ago
  
  I dunno, Romney is pretty creamy himself.
4. Copernicus 13 years ago
  
  "Didn't watch the debate, but weren't people all like, "Gingrich would flatten Obama in a debate; that's why he should be the GOP candidate?" So if Romney creams Gingrich in a debate, what does that mean?"
  
  You can use the transitive property of debate creaming to answer that question.
Spoonman. 13 years ago

The first part of the debate, when Gingrich was getting his ass handed to him, was surprisingly entertaining. I turned it off when they asked about the wives.
1. Live Free or Diet 13 years ago
  
  Gingrich was getting his ass handed to him
  
  And thankyoujesus for that!
2. Alack 13 years ago
  
  Gingrich was getting his ass handed to him
  
  A task requiring some serious heavy lifting, to be sure.
Sparky 13 years ago

"Romney Creams Gingrich"

Did Newt just leave it on his face while he meditated and absorbed Mitt's essence?
1. - 13 years ago
  
  Yes.
2. Ted S. 13 years ago
  
  There's got to be a Santorum joke in this.
  1. Karl Hungus 13 years ago
    
    There's got to be a Santorum joke in this.
    
    Someone upthread said something about "rimming the Pacific." You might try riffing off that . . .
    1. Ted S. 13 years ago
      
      Nah, I'm lazy. I was hoping somebody else would make the joke.
      1. Ice Nine 13 years ago
        
        What? It was the joke!
        
        Karl Hungus 13 years ago
        
        What? It was the joke!
        
        Exactly! To anyone who's ever imagined Santorum giving a rim job to a fat Samoan (and who among us hasn't!), it was a real knee-slapper.
Trespassers W 13 years ago

Nth!
1. Ted S. 13 years ago
  
  (n+1)th!
  1. gaijin 13 years ago
    
    ^ you guys are ?
    1. Ted S. 13 years ago
      
      We guys are 2 what?
      1. SFC B 13 years ago
        
        I can't open YouTube at work... so I'm hoping that is a Steve Martin and Dan Ackroyd skit...
        
        R C Dean 13 years ago
        
        2 comedians, one cup?
        
        mr simple 13 years ago
        
        I don't think NBC allows any SNL skits on youtube.
      2. gaijin 13 years ago
        
        Can't touch this^ 😉
WTF 13 years ago

"Mitt Romney overpaid in taxes"

Joe Biden thinks he's a patriot.
1. poetry 13 years ago
  
  Joe Biden thinks?
Tim 13 years ago

Newt Gingrich: Asshole.
Auric Demonocles 13 years ago

Dear Reason: when I use my phone's browser to view HnR, I don't want to go to a mobile site. I want the full site. The only issue I have with the full site is that I can't post threaded comments. With your new mobile site I don't see any comments and all your articles look crappy like a Slate layout or something.
1. Auric Demonocles 13 years ago
  
  And I know you have a "Desktop Site" option, but then I run into this problem.
  1. Tulpa 13 years ago
    
    Try dolphin browser if you're on Android, and change the agent to desktop.
  2. Post-Coital Rat 13 years ago
    
    If you're using the default browser on Android, go into settings and uncheck the line "Mobile View - Enable mobile versions of web pages"
    1. Auric Demonocles 13 years ago
      
      Using a Blackberry, but a similar option helped.
    2. Auric Demonocles 13 years ago
      
      Switching the "appear as" option to Firefox seems to have fixed the threaded response issue.
      1. Auric Demonocles 13 years ago
        
        Though now this is making other sites more annoying because I actually preferred some of their (well done) mobile sites.
2. gaijin 13 years ago
  
  I beleive there is a link on the mobile site, at the bottom, that says "desktop" that takes you to the full site. Agree though that it would be nice to see comments in the mobile version.
  1. rsi 13 years ago
    
    I tried that on my Evo and got the full page but when I click on Comments it goes to the mobile site.
    1. Richard 13 years ago
      
      I have the same problem on my iPhone.
    2. nobody 13 years ago
      
      Me too. Lame.
3. invisible furry hand 13 years ago
  
  db sez Mike Alissi is Da Man to talk to
  1. db 13 years ago
    
    Try adding "/?nomobile=1" after reason.com/blog
    1. db 13 years ago
      
      http://reason.com/blog/?nomobile=1
  2. Observation 13 years ago
    
    Anyone noticing the trend toward fewer readers and more chatters? The articles are becoming irrelevant. If they went away, would the chatters stay?
    1. Ice Nine 13 years ago
      
      I don't know that it is a trend. I started reading here a year or so ago and the repartee is the reason I stuck around. I read news and analysis all day long and I find it all over the Net. The analysis here is smart and erudite but the banter is unsurpassed. Have some fun
      1. Observation 13 years ago
        
        Yes, then?
        
        Ice Nine 13 years ago
        
        Oh, I thought the question was rhetorical. Of course not; the banter needs a foil. The articles are obviously that.
    2. Zeb 13 years ago
      
      How could you possibly tell how many readers there are?
      1. Observation 13 years ago
        
        By the number of off-topic comments?
        By the lack of reference to the articles?
        Readers, not visitors.
        
        poetry 13 years ago
        
        Okay, question for you: Are you actually taking this seriously? Like, the chattering commentariat is really getting you down? Are you (gasp!) one of the Koch Brothers???
        
        Observation 13 years ago
        
        Philosophy and psychology are interests of mine.
        This place is a Petri dish.
        
        Sparky 13 years ago
        
        AM Links is not only a place for the Reason editors to put up some topical links, it also is a place for the commentariat to join in and put up their own. It's been like that for as long as I've been reading here.
        
        Pip 13 years ago
        
        So is a restroom floor.
        
        robc 13 years ago
        
        I blame threading.
        
        Before that, comments flowed better. Plus incif worked much better.
        
        Zeb 13 years ago
        
        Oh, it's you again. Fuck off.
    3. wylie 13 years ago
      
      it only takes a few months until you've read everything once.
      
      "Drug war still a reprehensible affront to individual liberty."
      
      "Economic Liberty, how the fuck do they work?!"
      
      "Eminent Domain Abuse, how the fuck do they work?!"
      
      "Newsflash, your elected representatives don't actually represent you."
      
      there's a few more
      1. SFC B 13 years ago
        
        You forgot something about the police and the selling of a book.
        
        Observation 13 years ago
        
        Funny how metaphysics, epistemology, ethics almost never comes up. Too smart for the house?
        
        Tulpa 13 years ago
        
        You're obviously trying some new stupidity instead of your old White Indian Stupidity.
        
        SFC B 13 years ago
        
        Wait. This is WI's new schtick? Jeebus...
        
        Tulpa 13 years ago
        
        Yes, I'd wager both my kidneys and my liver on it.
        
        Jumbie 13 years ago
        
        They did try that horrid article where some guy tried to prove the existence of Gawd by misunderstanding the mathematics of infinity.
    4. CoyoteBlue 13 years ago
      
      Maryland is proposing to tax online chatting. It's the only way to save those phony baloney jobs.
      http://weblogs.baltimoresun.co.....d_tax.html
      
      "I've gone over the bill a little more closely and, of course, I have more questions. For one, how would the state go about taxing "chat room discussions" and "weblogs" (page 34)? "
      1. wylie 13 years ago
        
        jesus fucking christ.
        
        Maryland collects taxes on the sale of music CDs, for instance. But when that same music is digital and electronically transmitted, it does not, thus missing out on revenue.
        
        I need to go check my internet bill, but I'm pretty sure I get taxed on that.
        
        THERE'S YOUR FUCKING TAX ON MY DIGITAL GOODS.
        
        Oh, and as always, GO FUCK YASELVES, FUCKFACES.
      2. poetry 13 years ago
        
        "weblogs" (rule 34)
        
        Sounds like a steamy tax proposal.
        
        CoyoteBlue 13 years ago
        
        The 'rule 34' tax is so that they can tax anything that can be turned into porn - which, via rule 34, is everything.
        
        Martin O'Malley will tax LOL cats and furry sites.
4. John 13 years ago
  
  I have the same problem. When you try to see the comments to a post, it automatically puts you in the crappy mobile mode which doesn't show the comments.
  
  Dear Reason,
  
  It is 2012 not 2006. We all have smart phones that can show the full internet and have no need for Reason Mobile.
  1. Observation 13 years ago
    
    There are those who would say that H&R was a better site before smart phones.
    1. Mike M. 13 years ago
      
      Smart phones are a scourge. When I go out, half the people are more interested in playing with their stupid phones than they are in talking to other live humans.
      1. Sparky 13 years ago
        
        +1. Fuck smartphones.
        
        Mike M. 13 years ago
        
        What pisses me off most of all is how these phones have become the new status symbol for people who want to be "hip". A new fucking iPad comes out about every six months, and if you don't have the latest one you're made to feel like you're inadequate or something.
        
        Mike M. 13 years ago
        
        iPod, not iPad.
        
        Sparky 13 years ago
        
        I bought my wife a nano and my daughter a shuffle. I quickly realized just how badly iPods suck so I bought myself a nice Sansa.
        
        Korduroy Kristen 13 years ago
        
        Sansa makes a great product, for 1/2 the price of a fucking Apple iPod. I bought an iPod years ago and the battery died pretty much right away. Five years later my Sansa is still going and it holds a charge for days & days.
        
        Fuck Apple. And not in a nice, sexy way.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        Since everyone has them, are they really "hip" anymore? When people's parents and grandparents all have something, I think it ceases to be hip.
        
        Pip 13 years ago
        
        I can't wait until geezers start sagging. I've been subjected to ghetto boxers for nearly twenty years.
        
        Innocuously Anonymous 13 years ago
        
        I bask--nay, I revel--in not having the latest peice of techno-crap. I have never even owned a cell phone, and I don't allow others to make me feel inadequate.
        
        But I'm probably an outlier.
        
        'sup doc 13 years ago
        
        I used to say that I would never own a cell phone until those blue BellSouth boxes disappeared. Well they have. And I'm an iPhone addict. Really sad.
        
        gaijin 13 years ago
        
        yes. yes you are.
        
        Rev. Blue Moon 13 years ago
        
        I bask--nay, I revel--in not having the latest peice of techno-crap.
        
        "Why, I don't even own a television!"
        
        Techno-illiteracy is nothing to be proud of.
        
        Sparky 13 years ago
        
        Techno-illiteracy is nothing to be proud of.
        
        Nor is a techno-leash. I have a brain that is easily capable of keeping track of all my contacts and appointments. It also has some pretty handy functions for when I get bored with my immediate surroundings.
        
        Rev. Blue Moon 13 years ago
        
        A new fucking iPod comes out about every six months, and if you don't have the latest one you're made to feel like you're inadequate or something.
        
        You need to hang around different people, dude. Also, no, there aren't that many versions of the iPod. #damnkidsthesedays
      2. poetry 13 years ago
        
        meh. people were self-absorbed solipsists before electronic technology.
        
        Observation 13 years ago
        
        people were self-absorbed solipsists before electronic technology
        
        Technology is not responsible for the Age of Narcissism. It's just the facilitator.
      3. Night Elf Mohawk 13 years ago
        
        I blame the other live humans, not the smartphones.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        ^^This^^ If other people were more interesting than Angry Birds, I would talk to them.
        
        Less-Dumb People 13 years ago
        
        So...we rate higher than Angry Birds?
        Good to know.
        
        'sup doc 13 years ago
        
        Barely. Don't push it.
      4. Observation 13 years ago
        
        Smart phones = shallow humans.
      5. Scooby 13 years ago
        
        Other live humans aren't always that great to talk to, especially if they can't outcompete 4pt text on a smartphone screen.
        
        Observation 13 years ago
        
        This is very instructive. There seems to be a corollary in smart phones facilitating anti-social or at least a-social behavior.
      6. bill 13 years ago
        
        Smart phones are a blessing. When I go out, I'm more interested in playing with my phone than in talking to other live humans.
      7. robc 13 years ago
        
        Thats a feature, not a bug.
        
        Try to be more interesting. The market has spoken, you are less interesting than Facebook, apparently.
        
        - 13 years ago
        
        Yeah. Why go out at all if you're just there to play with your phone? What's the point?
      8. Rev. Blue Moon 13 years ago
        
        Maybe they're just not interested in you. If everyone gets his phone out when you're around, maybe you're the problem.
        
        - 13 years ago
        
        One boring person makes all the others get their phones out? Sounds like a whole crowd of boors to me.
        
        Rev. Blue Moon 13 years ago
        
        Right - it's the group of people all doing the same thing who have the problem, not the "getoffamylawn" cranky misanthrope.
        
        Sparky 13 years ago
        
        Nothing says going out with the guys like sitting around playing Facebook with other people.
      9. Dude! 13 years ago
        
        I consider that a feature, not a bug.
  2. R C Richard Simmons 13 years ago
    
    Proud owner of a dumbphone.
    
    And an Ipad, but it was a gift. But I like it. Great for what I use it for (keeping up with email from multiple accounts, web browsing, a few apps).
    1. Atanarjuat 13 years ago
      
      Yep, I have a stupid phone, and I just laugh when people have to plug their phone in to charge it whenever they stop moving.
  3. El Commentariosa 13 years ago
    
    IHow do you sort through the comments on your phone?
5. 'sup doc 13 years ago
  
  + 1 gazillion. It's only been doing this to me for the last few days. I used to be able to view the desktop site from my phone by going to reason.com/blog. No longer....
Ice Nine 13 years ago

I beg you, couldn't we make this a Stephen Colbert-free zone?
1. wylie 13 years ago
  
  how successful are they at keeping out all the other trolls?
  1. poetry 13 years ago
    
    herc is gone...
    
    *tear*
    1. R C Richard Simmons 13 years ago
      
      He was back yesterday. Looked like his meds had been adjusted, based on reduced CAPS and [brackets] usage.
      1. Pip 13 years ago
        
        It's a shame he hates cats.
        
        R C Dean 13 years ago
        
        I thought it was a point in his favor.
RoboCain 13 years ago

Good thing we got rid of all the male teachers:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....booze.html
1. poetry 13 years ago
  
  Man, where were those teachers at my school?
  
  (Oh wait I home schooled)
  1. RoboCain 13 years ago
    
    That's just wrong.
2. Zeb 13 years ago
  
  Who got rid of the what now?
3. Loki 13 years ago
  
  That woman was so fugly she probably had the kids high and/or drunk before they would have sex with her. I can't imagine the amount booze or pot that it would take for me to want to hit that.
  1. Loki 13 years ago
    
    *had to get...
    *amount of booze
    dammit
    1. R C Dean 13 years ago
      
      I can't imagine the amount booze or pot that it would take
      
      Sounds like you're pretty close. . . .
  2. Ice Nine 13 years ago
    
    OTOH, you're not a horn-crazed 17yo boy.
RoboCain 13 years ago

Saved by Silicone:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....rival.html
1. invisible furry hand 13 years ago
  
  'If this saves lives, there's nothing wrong with passing a law that everyone should have breast prosthesis,' Filiberto joked.
  
  How long before this turns from joke to policy position?
2. BlueBook 13 years ago
  
  Nitpick: those were saline implants, not silicone. Indeed, with its greater viscosity, a silicone implant might offer even more protection, as well as better squeezability.
  1. Ice Nine 13 years ago
    
    Her implants stopped a knife stab from penetrating? Saline, schmaline - sounds to me like they were made of depleted uranium or something.
    1. RoboCain 13 years ago
      
      You mean like Nuclear Titties?
3. mr simple 13 years ago
  
  Doesn't the attacker know the slow blade penetrates the breast?
mad libertarian guy 13 years ago

Kentucky resident shows proper contempt for government.
1. Loki 13 years ago
  
  Yet if I did that I'd be arrested...
  1. invisible furry hand 13 years ago
    
    As with so many things, it depends on how cute you are
2. NeonCat 13 years ago
  
  Goes to show Robert Anton Wilson was on the right track with wanting Congress to be 1/3 ostriches.
  
  http://www.gunsanddopeparty.com/
  1. mr simple Don Knotts 13 years ago
    
    There's way too many ostriches. Why are there so many ostriches? The brochure said there'd only be a few ostriches. This is a terrible vacation.
Ice Nine 13 years ago

Eyes turn to Sen. Marco Rubio as GOP VP pick.

"Eyes" are little bit slow on the pick up. The day he was elected Senator I said, "There is the GOP Veep candidate." An absolute natural.
1. John 13 years ago
  
  I thought that too. I wasn't aware it was that hard to figure out.
  1. mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
    
    These are journalist you're talking about, John, and you're asking them to be intellectually sound in their analysis of Team RED activities.
    
    I just want to know how the media will spin this campaign being about racism if Rubio, a child of Cuban immigrants, is the veep candidate.
    1. John 13 years ago
      
      Easy. He is a sell out to his race. And Cubans, since they are reliably anti-communist, don't count as minorities.
      1. mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
        
        I think it will have to be more nuanced than that. Even dumb ass liberals know that Hispanic is not a race.
        
        I salivate at the questions which will ask Rubio about illegal immigration and the "hispanic" vote, as if Argentinians and Cubans and Mexicans are exactly the same and have a homogenous voting bloc.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        All Hispanics are Mexicans and they are brown and poor and mow your yard in Liberal land.
        
        mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
        
        It's that way in conservative land too, John.
        
        Don't fool yourself in to thinking that liberals have some kind of monopoly on stupidity.
        
        - 13 years ago
        
        Even dumb ass liberals know that Hispanic is not a race
        
        But does John know that?
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        Yes I know that you half wit. But the term is thrown around in the media like it is.
        
        - 13 years ago
        
        No, it's "thrown around" as a pressure group, a constituency, not a race.
        
        - 13 years ago
        
        Which is why I wondered whether you knew the difference.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        "No, it's "thrown around" as a pressure group, a constituency, not a race."
        
        The reason why it is considered a "constituency" is because the treat it like a race. See for example how the "Hispanic vote" is listed right along side the black and Asian vote in polls.
        
        No it is not a "race". But it is treated like one out of ignorance.
        
        Zeb 13 years ago
        
        What I think is really funny is how people from Spain or of Spanish decent (not by way of Latin America) don't count as Hispanic.
        
        mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
        
        Which is equally as stupid.
        
        They may all eat rice and beans, but that doesn't make Cubans or Argentinians give a shit about issues which face the Mexican community.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        It is utterly stupid MLG. You watch, if Rubio is on the ticket there will be a spate of stories about how this is designed to appeal to the "Hispanic vote" never mentioning that Mexicans and most other Latin Americans have no use whatsoever for Cubans and the feeling is mutual with Cubans.
        
        mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
        
        I agree.
        
        I also know that they (the media) aren't that stupid. They're simply hoping their viewers are, and we all know that nothing gets a liberal excited like racism accusations.
        
        J_L_B 13 years ago
        
        This ^^^
        
        One of the biggest mistakes the left make was to create this monolithic ethnic group called "Hispanics."
        
        When politicians speak of Hispanic issues, they mostly mean those pertaining to Americans of Mexican descent.
      2. Ice Nine 13 years ago
        
        Also, he's not a Negro so he only gets a quarter of a point.
        
        mr simple Don Knotts 13 years ago
        
        A racial politics quadroon?
2. - 13 years ago
  
  Romney/Rubio. Alliteration. Can't miss.
  1. wylie 13 years ago
    
    I still intend to vote Pan/Rufio.
    1. poetry 13 years ago
      
      Yams, candied apples, and psychedelic rainbow pies for all!
      1. wylie 13 years ago
        
        you left out the jetpacks. (I'm not arrogant enough to think I can get the American People to fly on the strength of their beliefs along.)
3. Brett L 13 years ago
  
  I know that all political statements come with an expiration date, but Rubio said he wasn't going to take the VP slot if offered to him a couple months ago. Doubt he's reconsidering. If he'll stop sponsoring stupid shit like PIPA, he's on the short list for Prez nominee in 2016 or 2020.
RoboCain 13 years ago

85% of Americans Believe the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Means the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c.....ore-100803
1. db 13 years ago
  
  Damn. Maybe publik skools ain't so bad afterall.
2. Night Elf Mohawk 13 years ago
  
  I wasn't aware that 15% of the country is comprised of constitutional "scholars" from "elite" law schools.
  1. Zeb 13 years ago
    
    Never underestimate the power of fear and ignorance among people who think they are clever.
3. Karl Hungus 13 years ago
  
  85% of Americans Believe the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Means the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
  
  Despite all the heinous shit our government is doing, I believe this is one area where we can relax a little. Any meaningful gun-control legislation, at least on a national level, would be political suicide for any politician who tries to push it through. When they've been reduced to underhanded shit like Fast & Furious, you know the whole gun-control movement is on the ropes.
  1. mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
    
    The problem is that at some point, shit like Fast and Furious will actually work close to how it was intended to work, and no one will be the wiser.
    1. poetry 13 years ago
      
      Come the anti-gun apocalypse, I'd hate to be the guy whose job it is to go around collecting the guns. Or the guy they hire the next day, or the guy they hire the day after that..
      1. Old Soldier 13 years ago
        
        Call ahead before you get to my house. My wife will get pissed if I don't lay out plastic and drop-clothes.
        
        RoboCain 13 years ago
        
        LOL
  2. shrike 13 years ago
    
    Why did the Bush people start their gunwalking programs anyway? Fox News never explains that part while they are doing their brainwashing (obviously its working per your comment).
    1. John 13 years ago
      
      Stop lying Shrike. Stupidity, we can take. But the lying cannot be tolerated. The Bush DOJ had a program called Wide Reciever, which unlike Gunwalker, actually had a plan to stop the guns at the border and arrest people. And when they failed and a very guns got away, they stopped the program.
      
      Fast and Furious in contrast had no plan to stop the guns at the border and made no effort to. And it continued while thousands of guns went across the border.
      
      They are two different programs that are in no way analogous. We have talked this issue to death. Everyone knows the facts. Don't insult people's intelligence with your KOS talking points.
      1. shrike 13 years ago
        
        The point is there is no conspiracy to take people's guns away, you idiot.
        
        Redneck right-wing AM radio is always making shit up to sell to their hicks. Its like the Fairness Doctrine. They dredge that up every year. Or the War on Christmas.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        No the point is the Obama DOJ let thousands of guns go across the border for no apparent reason other than the knowledge that they would show up at Mexican crime scenes and give them ammunition to enact stricter gun control laws.
        
        shrike 13 years ago
        
        There are and won't be any stricter gun laws.
        
        It's the Bilderberg thing, right? They are controlling us all with microchips.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        Sure there won't. But that won't be because Obama wouldn't enact them if he could.
        
        R C Richard Simmons 13 years ago
        
        Holder and Obama seem to think differently about the prospects for MOAR CONTROL! Seeing as they keep saying we need MOAR CONTROL! Often while fending off questions about F&F.
        
        James Ard 13 years ago
        
        That's crap. A Texas judge just signed off on requiring gun sellers to record purchases of two or more long rifles. Exactly what the emails told us was the point of Fast and Furious.
        
        Karl Hungus 13 years ago
        
        The point is there is no conspiracy to take people's guns away, you idiot.
        
        A conspiracy? No. But there are lots of people who, like you, detest private gun ownership and would love to see it ended, a la Great Britain. Only some of those people, unlike you, have actual power.
        
        shrike 13 years ago
        
        I own a couple of handguns, you stupid dickhead. I am far more freedom oriented than ANY fucking conservative.
        
        I support all the SCOTUS decisions on freedom - CU, Heller, Griswold, Roe, Lawrence for starters.
        
        Karl Hungus 13 years ago
        
        I own a couple of handguns, you stupid dickhead.
        
        Uh huh. Do you keep them in the gloveboxes of your Ferraris?
        
        mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
        
        Except there was a conspiracy to enact harsher gun control laws with F&F.
        
        Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
        
        In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.
        
        ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3?.
        
        [. . .]
        
        "It's like ATF created or added to the problem so they could be the solution to it and pat themselves on the back."
        
        Or are you going to claim that CBS is somehow part of the "Redneck right-wing AM radio" network?
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        MLG,
        
        That is really the smoking gun. But liberals don't want you to believe your lying eyes.
        
        shrike 13 years ago
        
        These people were burrowed in the ATF for years where the program was hatched.
        
        I hate to defend the DOJ because of their crackdown on medical MJ. But they kept most of the old US Attorneys too.
        
        T 13 years ago
        
        The careerists bureaucrats are a different class from the political appointee. The careerists will continue their agendas through the changing of the appointees. This is not news to anybody who understands the dynamics of federal bureaucracies. The ATF, as an organization, is hostile to individual ownership of guns. The standard line is always "We respect the 2nd Amendment, but..." which when parsed means everything before the word 'but' is to be ignored.
        
        RoboCain 13 years ago
        
        So Mayors Against Illegal Guns and the Brady Campaign don't exist?
    2. Karl Hungus 13 years ago
      
      Fox News never explains that part while they are doing their brainwashing (obviously its working per your comment).
      
      I haven't watched Fox News in a couple years, though I guess you're a fan since you know what they're talking (or not talking) about. I'm basing my comments on stuff like the recent Heller and MacDonald decisions, the growth of the number of shall-issue CCW states, and the fact that Obama - a man who I'm pretty sure hates private gun ownership - has been largely mum on the issue.
      
      I stand by what I said: gun rights are enjoying a period of ascendancy.
      1. shrike 13 years ago
        
        You are correct about gun rights but incorrect on Obama. He has stated his support for the 2nd Amendment. Heller should put all this crap to rest.
        
        Hell, Obama sucks on the Drug War. Get him there.
        
        PR 13 years ago
        
        He has stated his support for the 2nd Amendment.
        
        He also said net spending cut. He says a lot of shit.
        
        Karl Hungus 13 years ago
        
        He has stated his support for the 2nd Amendment.
        
        Which only serves to reinforce my point. When a far-left Chicago liberal has to give lip service to 2A, you know things aren't going well for the anti-gun crowd.
        
        Heller should put all this crap to rest.
        
        Heller was a great start, McDonald was even better (incorporation against the states). The only real victory would be the repeal of the NFA and GCA68.
        
        RoboCain 13 years ago
        
        Bullshit.
        
        http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c.....your-guns/
        
        http://www.foxnews.com/opinion.....z1i3FhBuiX
        
        R C Dean 13 years ago
        
        SCOTUS hasn't put anything to rest. The slapfight over what restrictions are "reasonable" has barely begun.
        
        Karl Hungus 13 years ago
        
        SCOTUS hasn't put anything to rest.
        
        To rest? No. But things are trending in our direction. The issue will only be at "rest" when I can walk down the street with an AK-47 slung over over my shoulder (and I mean an original Soviet full-auto version, not some crappish Norinco knock-off), and the cop I pass on the street doesn't give it a second glance.
    3. Resto Druid FTW 13 years ago
      
      Enough already dude. We get it. You're an Obamabot. Also, seems to me that Bush is no longer PotUS. That "but Bush did x,y,z" line is getting hideously tiresome.
Fist of Etiquette 13 years ago

Gingrich bombed at last night's debate, now destined to lose Florida.

And you people complained there were too many debates. They serve a purpose.
1. - 13 years ago
  
  Debates swell the chat rooms and boost liquor sales. Everybody wins.
  1. Jumbie 13 years ago
    
    Thanks for the reminder. I don't drink beer, but I need to go restock cuz my brother does when he comes over...
mad libertarian guy 13 years ago

Porn stars about to pull out of LA.

Officials with the Aids Healthcare Foundation, which lobbied for years for such a law, welcomed the decision and said they would turn their attention to getting a similar condom requirement adopted elsewhere.

"The city of Los Angeles has done the right thing [by enacting mandatory condom use in the porn industry]. They've done the right thing for the performers," said Michael Weinstein, president of the foundation, which had pushed for the measure for six years.

He said its adoption was crucial in protecting adult film actors from HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.

Doing the "right thing" in spite of the porn industry openly advocating AGAINST the measure.

Don't you just love it when two 3rd party actors conspire together to "protect" you?
1. Sparky 13 years ago
  
  But will they leave it with a money shot?
  1. mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
    
    Let's hope they leave while flipping them a bird.
2. RoboCain 13 years ago
  
  Even worse, the same asshats worked to shut down AIM. So it's obvious they are against porn, not against AIDS.
3. DJF 13 years ago
  
  Are they going to move to Washington? Its the only place I can think of that has as many whores who want to do their job in front of a camera.
  1. poetry 13 years ago
    
    +1
free2booze 13 years ago

Romney had some good hits on the grinch. He forced Newt to bring up the "language of the ghetto" ad. Then Romney hit Newt with:

"Mr Speaker,I know that sounds like an enormous revelation, but have you checked your own investments? You also have investments with mutual funds, that also invested in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."

Right after Mitt's comment, Newt gave Mitt a little nod, like he was acknowledging "you got me".
1. Jerry 13 years ago
  
  Gingrich had many of those last night. Like when he got called out by Ron Paul for supposedly balancing the budget back in the 1990s.
  1. free2booze 13 years ago
    
    That was a good one too. The funny thing was watching Newt try to suck up to Paul, only to see Paul turn around, and drop the hammer.
2. Maxxx 13 years ago
  
  Willard: You did it too.
  
  Great debating skills there.
John 13 years ago

Emails reveal Michael Mann to be quite a piece of work.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/201.....va-emails/
1. db 13 years ago
  
  I didn't see anything new there. Looks like they're still trying to get his emails released under FOIA. Did i miss somethjng?
  1. John 13 years ago
    
    Nothing we didn't already know. But the emails they do have show him to be just a really awful person.
2. Restoras 13 years ago
  
  In PE-22, Mann alludes to his "dirty laundry" which cannot come out, requesting his correspondent to not pass the email or the data attached to it to anyone else (UVa has claimed no attachments to any emails were preserved on their system). In this email, Mann admits he has failed to follow the most basic tenet of science, to keep a record of exactly what he did in his research, and thus himself could not reproduce his own results
  
  Repeat after me:
  
  Top. Men.
  1. wylie 13 years ago
    
    Fucking peasants just don't understand that shit gets lost sometimes, even to the Topliest Of Mannly Men.
  2. Neu Mejican 13 years ago
    
    Why is there no quote in that quote?
  3. Maxxx 13 years ago
    
    The science is settled.
    
    Why would he need to reproduce his own results?
3. KDN 13 years ago
  
  Michael Mann is a slimy motherfucker. The AGW crowd couldn't have picked a worse pointman for this whole operation; right or wrong just having him around makes everything they do seem less trustworthy.
  1. invisible furry hand 13 years ago
    
    In his favour Heat was a big pile of dumb fun. Oh wait...
    1. Jerry 13 years ago
      
      Damn you!
  2. John 13 years ago
    
    That is the downside of leftists running a movement. They never will admit fault in a fellow traveler. A healthy movement would have kicked Mann's ass out years ago and never let him anywhere near the forefront. But since leftists can't ever criticize a fellow traveler for any reason except being insufficiently leftist, slimebags like Mann can often thrive.
  3. Jerry 13 years ago
    
    For a slimy motherfucker he was great directing Al Pacino and Robert De Niro. Oh, wait...
Pip 13 years ago

SHOCK: 'FEAR FACTOR' Donkey Semen Makes NBC Question Taste

http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/26/.....stunt-nbc/
1. Alack 13 years ago
  
  Donkey Semen Makes NBC Question Taste
  
  I assume it tastes more or less like human semen, but if they want to do some studies on it that's their prerogative.
  1. poetry 13 years ago
    
    They could use stem cell proteins. Unless it's filmed in Oklahoma..
John 13 years ago

Gingrich seems to be the Rex Grossman of Presidential candidates. Grossman will play two or three quarters or sometimes a whole game or two were he plays really well and looks like a real NFL quarterback. But inevitably he melts down and turns the ball over three or four times in a quarter.
1. mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
  
  Let's just hope that Newt doesn't make it to the Super Bowl a la Grossman.
  1. John 13 years ago
    
    If he loses in Florida, I think he is done. His hope was to sweep the South and take over the front runner spot from Romney. If he doesn't do that, how does he win? You can only come back so many times. This may have been his last chance.
    1. Fatty Bolger 13 years ago
      
      Fingers crossed
2. Ted S. 13 years ago
  
  If you're going to compare Gingrich to Rex Grossman, then here's Gingrich with Rick Santorum. 🙂
  1. invisible furry hand 13 years ago
    
    According to SugarFree Santorum would be on top
    1. Karl Hungus 13 years ago
      
      According to SugarFree Santorum would be on top
      
      Yuck. Truth be told, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if something like that actually took place.
      1. invisible furry hand 13 years ago
        
        I will never be able to see him without thinking "Just relax. I went to Catholic school. I know what I'm doing."
        
        Karl Hungus 13 years ago
        
        The perfect caricature for Rick Santorum is the guy in Boogie Nights who pays ten bucks to watch Dirk Diggler jerk off, then beats him up for being a queer. But at the same time, I have a hard time picturing Santorum beating someone up. Still though, that's exactly the sort of inner conflict he must have had to repress to begin his career as a Bible-thumping politician.
RoboCain 13 years ago

Christian Student Bullied for "Bullying"

http://moonbattery.com/?p=7330
1. John 13 years ago
  
  School officials at Shawano High School in Wisconsin have censored and punished Brandon Wegner, a 15-year-old, for writing an op-ed article explaining the Biblical view of homosexuality and supporting natural mother-father adoption, according to Liberty Counsel.
  
  After Brandon wrote this article [PDF] he was pulled into hours of meetings with school administrators and staff, without his parents' knowledge.
  
  Superintendent Todd Carlson told him that the column "went against the bullying policy," and asked him if he "regretted" writing it. According to Liberty Counsel, when Mr. Wegner stated that he did not regret writing it, and that he stood behind his beliefs, Superintendent Carlson told him that he had "to be one of the most ignorant kids to try to argue with him about this topic," that "we have the power to suspend you if we want to" and that the column had "personally offended me, so I know you offended other people!"
  
  What a bunch of pathetic little tyrants school administrators are. It takes a real tough guy to pull some 15 year old kid in without his parents and kick him around.
  1. Tim 13 years ago
    
    "SkinNer!"
  2. Pudgeboy 13 years ago
    
    The student should sue the half-wit and the school system for whatever his laywers can come up with, no matter how ridiculous. Make that prick's life a constant, tedious, irritation.
  3. Night Elf Mohawk 13 years ago
    
    It doesn't sound like they kicked him around. It sounds like they tried to and he stuck to his beliefs.
    1. John 13 years ago
      
      Good for him. But the fact that they tried to reveals them to be pathetic little tyrants.
      1. Night Elf Mohawk 13 years ago
        
        Not exactly man bites dog. They did the same general thing to me 30 years ago over my hair and their dress code. Once I explained to them that I could get a Mohawk (just a coincidence) so that my hair wouldn't touch the top of my ears or my collar and would thereby conform to their dress code, they suddenly didn't have as much problem with my hair being a little longer than they preferred.
        
        Rich 13 years ago
        
        Just curious, Elf (if you see this). How'd that episode play out over time? Precipitate any non-hair hassles by being a "smart ass"?
        
        xenia onatopp 13 years ago
        
        Haha, good work. I've told this story in other threads, but 9 years ago, when my son was 13, he was sent home for coloring his hair blue, and I was basically ordered to make him remove the dye or have him face suspension. I replied that their standard for hair color-- that it be neither "unnatural" nor "distracting"-- should apply equally to olive-skinned girls with hair bleached white-blonde and anyway they were talking to the wrong person because it wasn't my hair. This went over poorly.
  4. Old Soldier 13 years ago
    
    He should have just told the Superintendent he was Muslim. They would have kissed his ass and sent him back to class with apologies.
  5. NoVAHockey 13 years ago
    
    anyone else planning on teaching their kids to never, ever, talk to the school administration?
    1. John 13 years ago
      
      Yes.
      1. NoVAHockey 13 years ago
        
        you're DC area, right? so you're probably familar with this:
        
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....04141.html
        
        reading that, my wife and I determined that lesson 1 would be "keep your mouth shut"
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        I was out of the country when that happened. So hadn't heard about it. I love this little nugget
        
        Dale would not discuss the Stuban case but said: "The connection between teenage suicide and discipline policies is erroneous."
        
        That story is horrible. The part about parents saying they feel they need an attorney to deal with these assholes. The people who run public schools are just awful.
        
        Maxxx 13 years ago
        
        Stupid fucking administrators.
        
        Getting kicked out of school is the best thing that can happen to any kid.
        
        JW 13 years ago
        
        Those brave, self-less school administrators saved that boy from a lifetime of drug abuse.
        
        Ted S. 13 years ago
        
        Could you link to the single-page version of articles in future?
        
        I'm not about to go through the hassle of downloading all the extra antisocial networking apps and other bloat on six pages just to help the WP generate ad revenue.
  6. PR 13 years ago
    
    "personally offended me, so I know you offended other people!"
    
    Oh, I get it. I'm supposed to get in your car and let you put your finger inside me.
  7. Rev. Blue Moon 13 years ago
    
    Chubby little obnoxious Christian bigot (and fucking terrible writer, I might add) gets kicked around by petty pussified school administration tyrants?
    
    "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
  8. Maxxx 13 years ago
    
    the column had "personally offended me, so I know you offended other people!"
    
    The proper response to this is
    so the fuck what?
RoboCain 13 years ago

Author of "Latino Wisdom" calls Pat Buchanan 'a white supremacist" and "a white extremist"

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01.....ritten-it/
1. John 13 years ago
  
  In fairness the book seems to be "Latino Wisdom" as in wisdom from various successful people who happen to be Latino, whatever that is. I don't think she meant the book to be a celebration of wisdom specifically to them.
  
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi.....edaical-20
  1. RoboCain 13 years ago
    
    So what if someone wrote a book titled "White Wisdom"?
    1. John 13 years ago
      
      True. But that double standard is so ingrained that no one even notices it anymore.
    2. o3 13 years ago
      
      tu quoque
      1. Tulpa 13 years ago
        
        But not fallacious.
2. anon 13 years ago
  
  Oh, the mind of a liberal.
  
  From the Author
  While researching for Latino Wisdom, my Latino interview subjects have taught me a thing or two about achieving success (as they see it). You have to ...
  
  1. Know when to quit! When necessary, leave your comfort zone to move on to better things. 2. Wear blinders! Focus on YOUR future, and use your will and desire to stay motivated. 3. Be selfish! Be careful and protective of yourself when others may try to bring you down. 4. Be a little na?ve! Decide to "just do it," as the Nike ads say, and think about details later. 5. Be stubborn! Stay focused on the goal, while ignoring the nay-sayers.
  1. The ghost of Steve Jobs 13 years ago
    
    This worked for me.
invisible furry hand 13 years ago

Swinging couple in drug-fuelled orgy with sex partner sprayed him with bear repellent after he refused to let them take explicit photos

Hat-tip: @RadleyBalko
1. Tim 13 years ago
  
  How could a bear use a camera?
  1. Andrew Sullivan 13 years ago
    
    Email me.
2. JW 13 years ago
  
  The woman looks like she has excellent peripheral vision. Good for the ambidextrous handie, I suppose.
P Brooks 13 years ago

After Brandon wrote this article [PDF] he was pulled into hours of meetings with school administrators and staff, without his parents' knowledge.

American education; exploring ideas through open inquiry.
1. poetry 13 years ago
  
  i'll open your inquiry
RoboCain 13 years ago

Not sure which is worse...

http://moonbattery.com/?p=7352

http://thegloss.com/fashion/jo.....shirt-524/
1. John 13 years ago
  
  The first one. Watching Joy Division co-opted by Disney is actually pretty funny.
  1. T 13 years ago
    
    When Disney Cruise Lines used Iggy Pop's Lust For Life in their advertising was a shining moment of corporate cluelessness for me.
2. invisible furry hand 13 years ago
  
  Maybe this?
3. Neu Mejican 13 years ago
  
  The Mickey Mouse Club...
  
  Concentration Camp Sex Slaves...
  
  Sounds about right.
RoboCain 13 years ago

At least they taste better than tampons:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem.....vodka.html
RoboCain 13 years ago

Adriana Lima is still hot:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....Barts.html
1. jacob 13 years ago
  
  Yes. Reminds me of Megan Fox
  1. Ice Nine 13 years ago
    
    Why is it that these "hot" chicks can never close their mouths?
    1. poetry 13 years ago
      
      Gotta keep their body temperatures down.
    2. sarcasmic 13 years ago
      
      I dunno. Perhaps because they're female and females never shut up?
    3. RoboCain 13 years ago
      
      Fwiw, her mouth is closed in the last several pics...
      1. Ice Nine 13 years ago
        
        OK, OK, so she got a little snarly, "sexy" lip fatigue.
2. Pip 13 years ago
  
  Ann at the bus stop is preetier.
Old Mexican 13 years ago

Ron Paul calls for an end to Cuba embargo; polls say he's wise to do so.

What? No hat tip?
1. John 13 years ago
  
  I don't see why anyone cares about Cuba. If the Syrians and Libyans can revolt, so could the Cubans. If they want to sit down there and live in a shit hole, that is their business. Lift the embargo and forget about them.
  1. anon 13 years ago
    
    Weren't you arguing for sanctions on Iran the other day though John? Or is that a different John?
    1. John 13 years ago
      
      If Cuba were in the position to shut down a big portion of the world's oil supply, or it were the cold war again and they were a conduit for the Soviet Union in Latin America, it would be different. But since it is neither, then Cuba really doesn't matter like Iran.
      
      And if Iran had not waged proxy war against the US for the last 30 years and were not causing trouble all over the Middle East, i wouldn't care about them either. But since they have and are, we have to care.
      
      And lastly, sanctions only work if the whole world buys in. The worked against South Africa. But they never work if only one country does it. Since Cuba trades with everyone but the US, our embargo is pointless.
      1. anon 13 years ago
        
        And lastly, sanctions only work if the whole world buys in.
        
        I don't know where you get the delusion that the whole world will buy in to an Iran embargo.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        They bought into a South African one didn't they? And Europe, Russia and China seem to be buying into an Iranian one these days.
        
        anon 13 years ago
        
        Russia and China
        
        There seems to be a lot of evidence to the contrary on this.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        They are less resistant then they were. We have to do something. And economic sanctions seems like a better idea than war.
        
        I don't like countries like Iran or China for that matter. I hope countries that have horrible oppressive governments and sponsor terrorism. I hope their governments fall and new better ones replace them. So forgive my optimism.
        
        I know you guys think that most the evil in the world is the result of the US. But I don't look at it that way and hope things get better.
        
        Fatty Bolger 13 years ago
        
        And economic sanctions seems like a better idea than war.
        
        It seems like a good idea, yes. But it's not. Sanctions just allow the regime to tighten its grip on the populace. The people at the top will not suffer; the people at the bottom will. And they will not rebel in response, so what's the point?
        
        Old Mexican 13 years ago
        
        Re: John,
        
        They [the world] bought into a South African one [sanctions,] didn't they?
        
        Which didn't really work as advertised.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        Somehow the South African government gave up power didn't they? It wasn't because of a revolution. And it wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts.
        
        They may not have worked as advertised, but the results show they worked.
        
        Loki 13 years ago
        
        But the South Africans were RACISTS!!!!!!!! That's way worse than anything the Iranians have done.
        /snark
  2. Old Mexican 13 years ago
    
    Re: John,
    
    If the Syrians and Libyans can revolt, so could the Cubans.
    
    Notwithstanding the fact that Cuba is a) an island and b) arms dealers do not regularly visit there to sell peashooters to regular Cubans, am I right?
    1. John 13 years ago
      
      True. But they are still the ones who collectively let the communists take over. The Soviet Union came to an end didn't it? Cuba is bad but it is not North Korea.
      1. Maxxx 13 years ago
        
        they are still the ones who collectively let the communists take over.
        
        WTF?
Old Mexican 13 years ago

Eyes turn to Sen. Marco Rubio as GOP VP pick.

He will be the perfect VP! He can best Joe Biden in a bumbler competition.
1. John 13 years ago
  
  The problem is that every Mexican and Puerto Rican I have ever met hated Cubans. I don't see how he helps with any vote outside of the Cuban vote, which will go Republican anyway.
  1. Neu Mejican 13 years ago
    
    Sample size is limited, I assume.
    1. John 13 years ago
      
      Reasonably large NM and very uniform. SFB only mildly exaggerates below.
      1. Neu Mejican 13 years ago
        
        I totally believe you.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        You are right NM. I just hallucinated it all. It never really happened. I have never known any person other than a southern redneck who ever expressed any dislike for another group because such things are just impossible. It is inconceivable that one national group could hate another, unless one of the group is an evil white person.
        
        Got it.
        
        Neu Mejican 13 years ago
        
        You see the world so clearly John. We are lucky to have you around.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        NM,
        
        Sorry saying something you don't like and have no response to makes you turn into a smug prick. It is your problem, why do you feel the need to make it ours?
        
        Neu Mejican 13 years ago
        
        I am way more smug than you are, 'tis true.
        
        And it makes me feel more smug that you think I have "no response" to your idiocy.
  2. SFC B 13 years ago
    
    If the Mexican-Puerto Rican-Cuban triumverate were ever placed in the same geographic area they'd make the Sunni-Shia-Christians look like a pancake social.
    1. Old Mexican 13 years ago
      
      None of you have any idea of what you're talking about. I don't know about Puerto Ricans, but Mexicans do not generally hate Cubans and least of all big-culo Cuban women.
      1. John 13 years ago
        
        I lived in San Antonio for years. I had a lot of friends from Mexico and their feelings towards Cubans were shocking. I was shocked that is until I started vacationing every year in Puerto Rico and heard what they had to say about Cubans and Mexicans for that matter. Everyone in Latin America seems to hate Mexicans. Not sure why, but wow do they.
        
        Maxxx 13 years ago
        
        Mexicans from different states (in Mexico) hate each other.
      2. Neu Mejican 13 years ago
        
        Yep, its true. John has managed to get Old Mexican and me on the same side of an issue.
        
        That's how strong the collectivism is in him.
        
        John 13 years ago
        
        In other words NM, you have know response. And in fact probably have had similar experiences but refuse to admit as much because mouthing PC platitudes is all you are capable of. So instead you just make a stupid remark. Par for the course.
        
        Neu Mejican 13 years ago
        
        Yeah, cuz, me and Old Mexican got together on this at our PC Platitudes Seminar at Liberal U.
  3. mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
    
    Having been born and raised in Miami and living there until I was 26, I know one thing for certain: the worst thing you can call a Cuban is a Puerto Rican.
    1. J_L_B 13 years ago
      
      That's nothing, try calling a Colombian (Venezuelan) girl a Venezuelan (Colombian). I still have the scars.
  4. Brett L 13 years ago
    
    It's like every other group of similar yet different sub-groups... The only people they hate more than each other is everyone else. Ask them about Haitians or Jamaicans.
    1. KDN 13 years ago
      
      If there's one thing everyone in the world can agree on, it's that foreigners suck.
  5. Pip 13 years ago
    
    "I don't see how he helps with any vote outside of the Cuban vote, which will go Republican anyway."
    
    If the GOP wins FL, they win it all.
P Brooks 13 years ago

I saw a little clip of Newt Kuan Yew vs Romneytron earlier.

I don't understand why Mittens didn't turn to Newt and ask, "Do you even understand what capitalism is, or how it works?"
1. poetry 13 years ago
  
  Yeah, it seems like the candidates could (and should!) be a lot more catty and sarcastic with each other. It's not like what they say will change the Media Narrative!, so why not just let it loose instead of playing so fucking coy all the time?
  1. John 13 years ago
    
    Romney "So Mitt, have you thought about seeking professional help for you ADD and bi polar disorders?"
    1. Sparky 13 years ago
      
      Why does everyone keep picking on the ADD kids?
    2. Maxxx 13 years ago
      
      Newt: Willard, it's time to wash the magic underwear, it's reaaaalllly stinking up the stage
sarcasmic 13 years ago

This just in! Olivia Wilde is still hot!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....kline.html

Kate Moss is still a lush!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....Paris.html
1. RoboCain 13 years ago
  
  "Kate chatted to fellow night owl and Italian artist Francesco Vezzoli instead until the early hours, proving to have quite the stamina"
  
  Alcohol wouldn't be my first guess...
2. Pip 13 years ago
  
  The waitress at the Modern Cafe is prettier.
poetry 13 years ago

...Kate Moss is still Wilde

You missed a good opportunity, there.
1. poetry 13 years ago
  
  ...and I missed your thread completely, there. 😐
  1. sarcasmic 13 years ago
    
    Head banging to Madonna is hardly what I would call Wilde.
Sparky 13 years ago

Here's a whole pack of hot chicks.
1. anon 13 years ago
  
  You did it wrong man.
2. shamalamadingdong 13 years ago
  
  And barely a peep out of them.
anon 13 years ago

I just wanted to say it's pretty bad when the realization that Newt could win the republican primary makes you hope for Mitt Romney.

It's a sad day in America.
John 13 years ago

http://online.wsj.com/article/.....TopOpinion

Interesting article in the WSJ about the cult of safety and how it is destroying childhood.
1. RoboCain 13 years ago
  
  Looks like it's subscription only...
  1. John 13 years ago
    
    Sorry
    
    A new study of how preschoolers spend their days may make you want to run around screaming, which is apparently more than the tykes themselves get to do. After interviewing child-care providers from 34 very different Cincinnati-area centers?urban to suburban, Head Start to high income?researchers found that kids spend an average of only 2% to 3% of their day in "vigorous activities."
    
    Can you imagine that? Children spending 97% of their day not running around? It's like a desk job, except with cookie time. Excuse me?apple time. When you consider that three-quarters of American kids aged 3 to 5 are in some kind of preschool program and a lot of them come home only to eat, sleep and go back again, this is beyond sad?it's bad. Bad for their bodies, their brains, their blubber. Baddest of all are the reasons behind this institutionalized atrophy: The quest for ever more safety and education.
    
    "Injury and school readiness concerns may inhibit children's physical activity in child care," writes pediatrician Kristen A. Copeland, lead author on the study, which will appear in next month's Pediatrics but is already available on the journal's website. Let's take a look at both these concerns, the twin fears haunting modern-day childhood.
    
    Fear of injury: The centers, the parents and the state regulators are all so worried about injuries that they end up steering kids away from play. They do this in part by only approving playground equipment that is so safe it is completely boring to the kids. As one child-care provider told the investigators, "We used to have this climber where they could climb really high and it was really challenging. Now we have this climber that looks cute, much cuter than the old one, but it's not as high and . . . scary."
    
    "Scary" equals "fun" for kids. (It equals potential lawsuit to everyone else.) Faced with this pitiful excuse for a plaything, the kids started doing things like walking up the slide. But of course, that is verboten, too, because a kid could get injured! As several child-care providers told the authors, "the [safety] guidelines had become so strict that they might actually be limiting, rather than promoting, children's physical activity." Uh, "might"?
    
    Fear #2: Falling behind. The trembling triumvirate of child-care providers, parents and regulators also worries that kids must perform at a certain level when they reach school, so play time is sacrificed for academics. Some parents specifically request that their kids not participate in outdoor activities but "read a book instead"?an attitude that spans the economic spectrum.
    
    The funny thing is, if you are really concerned about children's health and school-readiness, there is a very simple way to increase both. It's called playing.
    
    That is the gist of it.
    1. RoboCain 13 years ago
      
      http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/
    2. Maxxx 13 years ago
      
      It's all part of the plan to turn Americans into pussified sheep.
      
      And it's working!
      1. cynical 13 years ago
        
        And to fatten them up, apparently.
2. Zeb 13 years ago
  
  I honestly think that this kind of shit does more harm to kids than just about anything else (well, excluding actual violence or abuse). I'm also pretty sure that lack of activity can account for all of the increase in childhood obesity (and probably adult obesity too) that we seem to be seeing.
3. Loki 13 years ago
  
  Maybe if parents didn't sue the school everytime their precious little cherubs got so much as a skinned knee they wouldn't have to be such health and safety nazis.
  
  I've noticed that playground equipment is pretty much a joke these days. There's a park near my house that I walk my dog by and you hardly ever see kids out there playing because the jungle gym is so small and pathetic. You're far more likely (depending on the hour) to see teenagers hanging out smoking and drinking than younger kids playing.
Rumor Monger 13 years ago

The Big Ignore starts today!
Nay Sayer 13 years ago

Eyes turn to Sen. Marco Rubio as GOP VP pick.

Rubio .... Isn't he the anchor baby of illegal aliens who is Constitutionally disqualified from running for President?
1. Donald Trump 13 years ago
  
  Quit trying to one-up me.
2. mad libertarian guy 13 years ago
  
  There is no such thing as a Cuban who is an illegal alien.
  
  Look up wet foot-dry foot.
  
  The gist is that if in the course of immigrating to the US they so much s set one toe on dry land, they get a green card after a couple of days in detention. Generally there will be someone from the Gloria Estefan foundation waiting outside Chrome Detention Center with a job and temporary housing too.
  1. Zeb 13 years ago
    
    Do they have to get above the high tide line, or does the inter-tidal zone count? (sorry)
Marshall 13 years ago

The clown car is getting smaller. the "anyone but Obama" crowd has to be getting nervous. While the president speaks of issues and solutions, challenging the republicans to do some governance, the candidates throw red meet at each other in the pits. What do any of the republican candidates offer the country other than ideology and experience based on a life of privilege?
1. Shannon 13 years ago
  
  What does it really matter who of the self-centered candidate is moving ahead and how slow or fast they do? It is all obvious to those who really care. More to the point is analysis of what each candidate says and what is true or not true about what they say. What they ignore is what exactly they would do to create jobs, what exactly they would do to control the financial industry, what exactly they would do to improve education, what exactly they would do about Iran, what exactly they would do about the nation's crumbling infrastructure, instead of whining about what Obama has not been able to do because of the Republicans who hold the majority in the House and have enough members in the Senate, who are in the unwholesome grip of the corporate world, to impede and choke any decent legislation in Congress, American or otherwise. Whoever wins the Republican nomination will join in the continuation of the destruction of middle working Americans.
2. Rev. Blue Moon 13 years ago
  
  Is Marshall legit or is he just trolling like all the others?
  1. We 13 years ago
    
    Is Marshall legit?
    
    Who can define "legit" in this topsy-turvy chat room existence of ours?
3. R C Dean 13 years ago
  
  While the president speaks of issues and solutions,
  
  The President speaks about a lot of things. When he starts actually pushing solutions that will work, give me a call.
  
  challenging the republicans to do some governance,
  
  I could have sworn the President was a Democrat, as were the majority of Senators.
  
  Or is this more of the "leading from behind" that worked so well in Libya?
  1. Pro Libertate 13 years ago
    
    It's like the same day, over and over again. The president is going to take bold steps to solve the economic problems facing America. Fucker has been saying that for years. Even one of the idiots we're facing next in the White House (barring a Paul surge) has got to be better than that.
    
    I'm more concerned about who gets into Congress. There's likely going to be considerable turnover to new representatives and senators, and, regardless of who the president is, these need to be of the slash-and-burn-government variety, or we're in serious trouble.
    1. KDN 13 years ago
      
      Regardless of Presidency:
      
      53/47 Republican majority in Senate.
      
      225/210 Republican majority in the House.
      
      I base these numbers on no analysis whatsoever.
      1. Pro Libertate 13 years ago
        
        I'm 95% confident both houses will be under the firm control of the GOP, but that doesn't mean anything by itself. The GOP expanded government, including the welfare state and the regulatory regime, at near-record levels last time they ran the show. No reason to expect that they won't do it again, unless some serious reformers get into the Congress in sufficient numbers.
        
        Brett L 13 years ago
        
        Hooray for our return to throwing money at prison ministries, public schools and the military instead of union jobs, public schools and the military.
        
        KDN 13 years ago
        
        No reason to expect that they won't do it again, unless some serious reformers get into the Congress in sufficient numbers.
        
        I'm assuming that most of the freshmen are going to be Democrats and most Democrats are Tonys. There's going to be a whole lot of teeth gnashing about Congress employing the wrong kind of statism and we're gonna keep on trucking towards the cliff.
4. Old Mexican 13 years ago
  
  Re: Marshall,
  
  While the president speaks of issues and solutions,
  
  The president of which country?
R C Dean 13 years ago

What do any of the republican candidates does Obama offer the country other than ideology and experience based on a life of privilege?

Since high school, at least, I would say Obama has been leading a life of privilege.
Porter From Florida 13 years ago

Any of the four Republican wannabes would be a horror as President, as bad or worse than George W. Bush and his disastrous eight years in the White House.

We have a disgraced former Speaker of the House who was thrown out of Congress, had a checkered personal life and worked for years cashing in on his Washington ties as a major lobbyist.

Then there's the John Birch Society supporter, a racist who believes that the Federal Reserve is part of a grand conspiracy going back to the Illuminati, who wants us to go return to the inflexible gold standard that gave us repeated boom-and-bust economic cycles in the late 1800's and early 1900's, and who subscribes to the Ayn Rand philosophy of "I've got mine, too bad about you."

There's the former moderate Governor who changes his mind to suit his audience, destroyed numerous companies as a corporate raider and culture capitalist, and who believes that when he dies, he'll become a god and get his own planet.

And lastly, we have the ultra-right-wing religionist who wants to ban abortion and birth control, and inject his brand of religion deep into what's left of our government after he takes it apart.

These "debates" may make enjoyable television, but you really have to wonder about those who support any of these fools.
1. Zeb 13 years ago
  
  Where is this crap coming from?
  1. Pro Libertate 13 years ago
    
    The Random Meme Generator.
2. Maxxx 13 years ago
  
  who wants us to go return to the inflexible gold standard that gave us repeated boom-and-bust economic cycles in the late 1800's and early 1900's,
  
  Yes the Federal Reserve's ever expanding money supply that gives us more frequent and deeper boom-bust cycles is sooooo much better.
3. Maxxx 13 years ago
  
  There's the former moderate Governor who changes his mind to suit his audience, destroyed numerous companies as a corporate raider and culture capitalist,
  
  What's a culture capitalist?
  
  Is that a guy that makes his money from entertainment?
  1. Fatty Bolger 13 years ago
    
    Yeah, I wondered about that too, and had to Google it. Apparently it's referring to the "culture of capitalism," and from what I can tell, 9 out of 10 university professors agree that this is a very bad/dangerous thing!
    
    Here's an example from a textbook titled Global Problems and the Culture of Capitalism.
    
    Imagine an underdeveloped country rejuvenated and refurbished by capitalist entrepreneurs. They come in, they build, they buy, they leave. The economy booms. The population explodes, but there are not enough resources for everyone. The population continues to grow. Poverty, famine, and disease creep in. The cycle continues, created, destroyed, and recreated by the ebbs and flows of capitalism. It is both a boon and a pariah on the interdependent global system, its presence simultaneously marking the growth and decline of culture. The purpose of this book is to outline the consequences and costs of the development of the culture of capitalism for people all over the world.
    
    Yeah, and imagine monkeys flew out of my butt.
4. Brett L 13 years ago
  
  Hey porter, get my trunk up on that railroad car.
5. Joker Porter 13 years ago
  
  This thead deserves a better class of mindless troll. And I'm gonna give it to 'em.
Dosman Woodso 13 years ago

lol, American politicians, best politics money can buy lol.

http://www.real-time-privacy.tk
COXSWAIN HARDY 13 years ago

No Need to Panic About Global Warming
...Although the number of publicly dissenting scientists is growing, many young scientists furtively say that while they also have serious doubts about the global-warming message, they are afraid to speak up for fear of not being promoted?or worse. They have good reason to worry. In 2003, Dr. Chris de Freitas, the editor of the journal Climate Research, dared to publish a peer-reviewed article with the politically incorrect (but factually correct) conclusion that the recent warming is not unusual in the context of climate changes over the past thousand years. The international warming establishment quickly mounted a determined campaign to have Dr. de Freitas removed from his editorial job and fired from his university position. Fortunately, Dr. de Freitas was able to keep his university job.

This is not the way science is supposed to work, but we have seen it before?for example, in the frightening period when Trofim Lysenko hijacked biology in the Soviet Union. Soviet biologists who revealed that they believed in genes, which Lysenko maintained were a bourgeois fiction, were fired from their jobs. Many were sent to the gulag and some were condemned to death.

Why is there so much passion about global warming, and why has the issue become so vexing that the American Physical Society, from which Dr. Giaever resigned a few months ago, refused the seemingly reasonable request by many of its members to remove the word "incontrovertible" from its description of a scientific issue? There are several reasons, but a good place to start is the old question "cui bono?" Or the modern update, "Follow the money."

Alarmism over climate is of great benefit to many, providing government funding for academic research and a reason for government bureaucracies to grow. Alarmism also offers an excuse for governments to raise taxes, taxpayer-funded subsidies for businesses that understand how to work the political system, and a lure for big donations to charitable foundations promising to save the planet. Lysenko and his team lived very well, and they fiercely defended their dogma and the privileges it brought them....
1. Brett L 13 years ago
  
  Dammit, man. I just posted that a minute later. This is what I get for reading the links, then posting.
COXSWAIN HARDY 13 years ago

...A recent study of a wide variety of policy options by Yale economist William Nordhaus showed that nearly the highest benefit-to-cost ratio is achieved for a policy that allows 50 more years of economic growth unimpeded by greenhouse gas controls. This would be especially beneficial to the less-developed parts of the world that would like to share some of the same advantages of material well-being, health and life expectancy that the fully developed parts of the world enjoy now. Many other policy responses would have a negative return on investment. And it is likely that more CO2 and the modest warming that may come with it will be an overall benefit to the planet....
COXSWAIN HARDY 13 years ago

Teh Science Is Settled:

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
Brett L 13 years ago

Heresy! WSJ Editorial signed by 14 prominent scientists, Burt Rutan and a former Apollo astronaut equates AGW to Lysenkoism.
P Brooks 13 years ago

the inflexible gold standard that gave us repeated boom-and-bust economic cycles in the late 1800's and early 1900's

Fortunately. it's been smooth sailing since the Great Hero Nixon got us out of Bretton Woods.
Guest1776 13 years ago

Oddly enough the GOP establishment supported Bush and weren't saying the kind of things about him as they are Newt. Weird how that works.

Bush wants lunar stepping stone to Mars - January 9, 2004

President Bush will announce a bold plan next week to establish a permanent base on the moon with an eventual goal of sending a manned mission to Mars, senior administration officials said last night.

Three senior officials said Bush wants to aggressively reinvigorate the space program, which has been demoralized by a series of setbacks, including the Columbia disaster that killed seven astronauts last February and financial problems dogging the International Space Station.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Bush's announcement would come in the middle of next week. They would not say when a moonshot would take place, but one said it could be soon. A
mission to Mars would not happen before 2014, officials said. Experts have placed 2018 as an ideal time, based on the positioning of the planets.

Then again we're talking about a Republican establishment that is saying Romney is more conservative than Newt. Talk about being out of touch with reality. Perhaps they and Romney are worried Newt wants to attack the incoming aliens from planet Kolob when they return? http://tinyurl.com/843zon4

EX CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER ON BUSHES MOON BASE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ElRr5NIIgU

Oddly enough its the GOP establishment that is living in outer space by believing the Republican nominee don't need to motivate the base because the Democrat will because it worked so well for Dole and McCain.
Jumbie 13 years ago

I can take a lot of shit from the Leftist trolls. I can deal with them calling Paul a loon or with them comparing libertarianism to Anarchism, or saying that without regulations we all die.

BUT I cannot stand it when they come in here and don't even seem to realise that we're not Team Red and their 'all republicans are crap', 'Bush did it too' and 'Romney sucks' type attacks are not registering with us.

It reeks of the ultimate disrespect because the show they haven't listened to us before attacking.

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