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CDC: If You Drink Enough to Enjoy It, You've Had Too Much

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Back in 2003, responding to a CDC report on binge drinking, I noted that "one man's dinner party is another man's binge—especially if the other man has a degree in public health." Based on more recent survey data, the CDC now warns that "binge drinking* is a bigger problem than previously thought," involving 38 million American adults. That asterisk is well-earned, because the CDC continues to define "binge drinking" as "men drinking 5 or more alcoholic drinks within a short period of time or women drinking 4 or more drinks within a short period of time." If a "short period of time" meant 15 minutes, most Americans (except the ones who are currently binge drinking) probably would agree this pattern of consumption is excessive. But the questionnaire used to generate the CDC's data actually asks about drinks consumed "on an occasion," which could refer to an evening, a day, or a two-week cruise. Even if we pick the shortest of these periods, an after-work cocktail plus a few glasses of wine during dinner, followed by a digestif or nightcap, would be enough to qualify as a binge.

"To a person who drinks several glasses of wine while dining out or during a party with friends," concedes New York Times health writer Tara Parker-Pope, "the idea of consuming four or five drinks in an evening may not sound excessive for the circumstances." But did you know "this level of drinking would typically raise blood alcohol levels to 0.08 percent and make a person legally impaired to drive"? Not only that, but "a large body of evidence shows that drinking at that level is associated with a number of health hazards, including car accidents, injuries, violence and risk of contracting a sexually transmitted disease." According to the CDC, this scientific evidence conclusively demonstrates that you should never consume more than three or four drinks (depending on your sex), even if you refrain from driving, stay away from chainsaws and forklifts, avoid bar fights, and carry a condom—or even if your entire "binge" occurs within the confines of your home.

Perhaps anticipating that many of her readers will disagree with the CDC, Parker-Pope claims binge drinkers consume "an average of eight alcoholic beverages within a few hours," which is pretty impressive but not actually true. First, as noted, the length of an "occasion" is left to the respondent's interpretation; it could be "a few hours," but it might be five or six, or an entire Saturday. Second, the number Parker-Pope cites is actually the average for "the largest number of drinks [respondents] had on any occasion in the preceding 30 days" (emphasis added). In other words, it is atypical, by definition, for any given individual. Furthermore, because it is an average across all respondents, including very heavy drinkers, it does not necessarily mean most of them consume that much even on one occasion per month.

In an Atlantic essay posted a few days ago, cocktail expert Derek Brown, co-owner of two highly regarded Washington, D.C., bars, describes his own recent binge:

It began at dinner with a group of friends in a popular restaurant. What followed was a series of wines paired to dishes, including some rather unusual wine selections by our very talented sommelier. I became a bit tipsy but, after nearly four hours, delightful conversation, and an amazing meal, what I felt most was satiated.

I consumed seven drinks in total, or about two per hour. I finished with a Scotch just to cap the night and then took a taxi home where I watched half of an episode of How I Met Your Mother before tip-toeing to bed….

During my binge drinking session I didn't start a fight. I didn't engage in unprotected sex or infect anyone with a sexually transmitted disease. I didn't worry about becoming dependent on alcohol, crashing my car, or suicide. I didn't engage in crime. I just had a great time and then went to sleep.

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187 responses to “CDC: If You Drink Enough to Enjoy It, You've Had Too Much

  1. “I just had a great time”

    *THAT* is not permitted!

    1. pry drink…cold dead hands…just saying

  2. During my binge drinking session I didn’t start a fight. I didn’t engage in unprotected sex or infect anyone with a sexually transmitted disease. I didn’t worry about becoming dependent on alcohol, crashing my car, or suicide. I didn’t engage in crime.

    You did worse; you watched 1/2 an episode of a terrible sitcom*.

    *All sitcoms are inherently terrible.

    1. All sitcoms are inherently terrible.

      If your show has a laugh track…you have a problem.

        1. Was that supposed to be an argument for or against?

          1. Ha ha chortle guffaw!

            1. Actually the early MASHes with the laugh track are a hell of a lot funnier than the later ones without.

              Though I was told the laugh tracks were stripped out of the DVD release.

              1. I used to watch M*A*S*H… all da time.

                Get it? “Alda” time?

                Eh heh.

        2. *random screaming for no reason*

      1. what about a live audience?

  3. Do libertarian binge drinkers fantisize about Ron Paul becoming President?

    1. where do you think you are? we fantasize about that dead sober! shoot, even just dead!

      1. No, but Max fantasizes about sniffing Paul’s wife’s undies.

  4. YOU’RE ALL BINGE DRINKERS….ALL OF YOU….EACH AND EVERY ONE!

    [city]+[statists]+[too]

    1. I don’t drink anymore….
      of course, I don’t drink any less…

  5. During my binge drinking session I didn’t start a fight. I didn’t engage in unprotected sex or infect anyone with a sexually transmitted disease. I didn’t worry about becoming dependent on alcohol, crashing my car, or suicide. I didn’t engage in crime.

    You’re doing it wrong.

    You’ll get better with practice! Lots and lots of practice!

  6. I said it before, and I’ll say it again: good ol’ fashioned New England Puritanism. The real problem is that our society has an inherent mistrust of seeking pleasure. If you’re having fun, you’re doing something bad/sinful.

    Due to decreasing religiousness we’ve had to find pseudo-scientific reasons to continue this sort of thinking, but that’s all this is – a new version of outlawing Christmas (which the puritans did do) because if you’re having fun, then you’re not right with the Lord.

      1. About drinking, yes, I agree with you. I meant they birthed that general strain of thought about the Earth being the Devil’s domain, so if you’re enjoying life while you’re here, you’re pretty much a Satanist.

        Those people (New England protestants) eventually developed into progressives and spearheaded prohibition.

    1. This is true.

      I’m a Christian, and have come to the conclusion that Jesus got drunk regularly. In fact, he probably came up with some of his best lines toasted. I bet he and John and Matthew and maybe a few others in the inner-inner-circle sat around in a turn-of-the-date-suffix pub (wine bar?) a few weeks before the Mount Sermon, just dishing out the zingers: “Blessed are the… the… carpenters, for they don’t smell like shit fishermen” [hahaha, good one jesus, snort] “No, no, I got it: Blessed are the Roman legions, for they’re too stupid to learn Aramaic and really piss us off” [tee heeheheheeeeeee John i’m sending you to hell] “Blessed are the grapesmashers, for their feet smell like my breath” [the fuck, judas? that doesn’t even make sense]

      Also, he was the son of God. He invented having a good time. The hell is wrong with most of his followers?

      1. It is Jewish practice to begin each meal by blessing the Lord twice: “who brings forth bread from the earth”, and “who created the fruit of the vine”. And the ritual of the Passover meal specifies four glasses of wine, a binge by the CDC definition. I’m pretty sure that would have been the case at the Last Supper, as several prayers are still included that were ancient even then.
        From my point of view, most self proclaimed “Christians” are actually following the teachings of Saul/Paul rather than those of that itinerant rabbi from Nazareth.

        1. the teachings of Saul/Paul rather than those of that itinerant rabbi from Nazareth

          They are one and the same.

          1. They are one and the same.

            Er, no. No really. When I start my religion I’m a gonna go the Joseph Smith/new Christian sect route (mostly for marketing purposes). And then Saul/Paul will be relegated to the ash heap of history.

            1. People who say shit like that clearly havent read the New Testament.

              Paul, due to his background, was the single biggest pusher of the Law not applying to gentiles.

              1. People who say shit like that clearly havent read the New Testament.

                Yeah. Whatever, mister Bible scholar.

                1. I was actually Bible-bee champion at my Nazarene church for two years running. (True story). I still have the trophies, along with my “Most Improved” from Mosquito League baseball. But at least we played kid-pitch, fastball. Tee ball hadn’t been invented yet. (True story). Neither had soccer.

          2. Not if you actually read them. Jesus didn’t have anything against women, for example, or wine, for another.

        2. Yes, but any *true* Southern Baptist can tell you that the wine refered to in bible was non alcoholic. It was just grape juice and only evil non believers fermented it. I kid you not, that’s what I was taught growing up. Mind you that made the bits warning against drinking to excess a little confusing so I always refrained from gorging on Welch’s lest I burn for all eternity.

          1. Well, there’s at least one more reason you don’t gorge on Welch’s.

          2. I love it when they talk about the wine in the Bible just being ‘grape juice.’ Without refrigeration and pasteurization and with an abundance of natural yeasts in any vineyard, just what do they think happens? You can’t avoid fermentation under those conditions.

      2. Not only Him. I think communion was a kind of symposium in the original sense of the word.

        1. I mean way before the Romans took the Church over, or the Church took the Romans over, however it happened.

          1. And Saul was an Orthodox Jew before the road to Damascus. I’d say he was a drinker too, within limits.

          2. Not Paul and Jesus, but the teachings.

            Paul ORDERS Timothy to drink more wine, in one of his letters.

            1. Ok. We can keep that part.

            2. Because Timothy apparently had a stomach ailment, not because Timothy was a bore unless he had a few drinks in him.

              1. Though he might have been. The text doesn’t really address Timothy being a bore.

      3. Doesn’t ANYbody remember that the first of Jesus’ miracles was changing water into wine? He hardly would have condemned drinking, though He doubtless did not approve of excess. I suspect He left it up to the wedding guests to decide when they had had enough, rather than deciding for them.

    2. our society has an inherent mistrust of seeking pleasure

      It does (and fuck them very much. get in the way of me and alcohol at your peril), but I think some individuals are nannies at their core and would attempt to control others no matter what society they were born into, just like I can’t help but to love freedom.

      1. maybe it’s maybelline

      2. By “some individuals” I was thinking about those nosy fucks who get into public health. The guy who ran the Health Department in my hometown was basically laughed out of town and his job for putting up anti-doughnut store billboards with tax money.

      3. I think the word you were looking for is “bully”.

        1. or douchebag?

  7. Yet again, changing the definitions of words doesn’t change reality. These organizations, whether it is the CDC or the APA, seem to think their godlike powers to define actually affects the way we live our lives. Define “binge” however you want, we will all still decide what alcohol intake works for us and (hopefully) go with that. But people like Parker-Pope really seem to think we all live and die by what the authorities say is good for us.

    1. My dear, these are scientific findings produced by the best and brightest among us (i.e., individuals with doctorate degrees). You would do well to curb your cynicism and submit to the better judgement of your intellectual superiors.

      1. Yeah! You can’t just get a PhD jerking off you know.

        1. It’s a science. Recall Mark Twain’s celebrated lecture “Some Thoughts on the Science of Onanism.”

  8. Since we’re paying for your Health Care you have to do what we say.

    1. Not only that, you’re SCIENTISTS!

  9. Wait…

    Drinking will increase my chances of engaging in unprotected sex?!?!?!

    cya guys i am off to the liqueur store.

    1. Hope you and the goat have a wonderful time.

    2. Liqueur store?

      Real men drink whiskey.

      1. They have whiskey stores?

        1. “liqueurs” are cordials – usually a mix of sugar and booze, as opposed to the more generic “liquor”.

      2. Real men drink whisky. There’s a difference.

  10. Puritans are still with us.

    They can’t get away with banning dancing and rock’n’roll, but they can ban the use of chemicals for pleasure

    1. i’ll use your can

      1. fuck that one doesn’t work at allll

    2. Look, man, didn’t Footloose teach you anything? Dancing is not a crime!

      1. Skateboarding is a crime!

  11. Anyone else getting ads for alcoholism and drug abuse clinics on the right? It’s like they are in my head.

  12. this level of drinking would typically raise blood alcohol levels to 0.08 percent and make a person legally impaired to drive

    Further evidence that current drunk driving laws are excessive. MADD can die in a fire, preferably one caused by a sober driver crashing into their offices.

  13. There are a lot of people in this world who really, really like controlling other people. Like, it gives them serious wood. And “public health” is just the latest way in which they try to achieve more and more control.

    They’ll never stop. So they just have to be resisted, mocked, and ridiculed as much as possible.

    1. You exhibit anger-management issues. Take this pill.

      1. If he won’t, I will.

      2. i’ll take your pill.

        1. Just don’t mix it with alcohol.

          1. “She mistook the “drowsy eye” alcohol warning for a “winking-eye” alcohol suggestion.”

      3. Is it a benzo? Because I’ll take that.

    2. Next thing you know, they’ll be dictating whether we must have deep-dish, regular, or thin-crust pizza in the interest of public health.

      Chicago-style rules, fuck all you pizza nazis!

      1. You’re clearly insane, Jimbo. Time to lock you up and feed you nothing but Stouffer’s French bread pizza.

        1. Microwaved Bagel Bites for all!

      2. You really think they will allow any pizza at all? With all that grease?

      3. The Italian original has just a dab of sauce and a sprinkle of cheese on delightful artisanal crust. I am fortunate enough to have a restaurant nearby where two brothers from Abruzzo make it that way in their wood fired oven. Saves me a bundle on plane tickets!

        1. No, the italian original is a flattened roll, with some sauce smeared on it before it’s stacked on edge with a dozen more of them, and set outside to get stale as it collects road dust from the vespas scooting past. “Artisanal crust”? What kind of effete nonsense are you trying to sell?

          -jcr

          1. This is much more my experience with Italian pizza.

        2. a dab?, a sprinkle? delightful? what a wuss

  14. I’m glad we’re having this conversation just a few hours before the next debate.

  15. the number Parker-Pope cites is actually the average for “the largest number of drinks [respondents] had on any occasion in the preceding 30 days”

    If they’d surveyed me alongside 99 mormon teetotalers, I think they’d still be very concerned that the ‘average’ was dangerously high, and that ‘society’ has a problem.

    unfortunately I haven’t gotten into a fight in at *least* a month. that I remember. its not a fight if no one remembers! (or anything gets broken)

    *my definition of ‘fight’ does not include irate screaming threats at people who irritate me in order to make them shut up and go away. the local hipsters always back down, whining, ‘hey man, that’s not cool…’, then spend the rest of the night complaining to their friends about ‘the dicks in this place’.

    i think my last technical binge was during the last Giants playoff game. Well, i think it already qualified as binge before the game started. So maybe that one counts as 2.

    1. Heh. Some time ago I ripped a possibly hipster-like, mangy creature a new one, when he blatantly cut in line at a fast food joint.

      He was real cocky at first, but got real “Hey, man, it’s cool.” when I told him I’d knock him back into the 2nd grade. It was a like a cat with a mouse.

  16. I made a sarcastic remark about Gabby’s narcissism in her YouTube chat room and got banned by the tolerant legislator. The end.

  17. “Perhaps anticipating that many of her readers will disagree with the CDC, Parker-Pope claims binge drinkers consume “an average of eight alcoholic beverages within a few hours,” which is pretty impressive but not actually true. First, as noted, the length of an “occasion” is left to the respondent’s interpretation; it could be “a few hours,” but it might be five or six, or an entire Saturday. Second, the number Parker-Pope cites is actually the average for “the largest number of drinks [respondents] had on any occasion in the preceding 30 days” (emphasis added). In other words, it is atypical, by definition, for any given individual.”

    Basically, it’s a flat out lie.

    1. Yes, but it’s for you own good! And our intentions are good!
      S we can lie all we please!

    2. Burning Man is an event, and the amount of alcohol I consume at that event skews my ‘event’ average.

  18. During my binge drinking session I didn’t start a fight. I didn’t engage in unprotected sex or infect anyone with a sexually transmitted disease. I didn’t worry about becoming dependent on alcohol, crashing my car, or suicide. I didn’t engage in crime. I just had a great time and then went to sleep.

    You poor, delusional alcoholic bum. Your life has been destroyed by your dipsomania, and you steadfastly refuse to admit it. This is why you must be protected from yourself.

  19. Back in 2003, responding to a CDC report on binge drinking, I noted that “one man’s dinner party is another man’s binge?especially if the other man has a degree in public health.”

    “And I haven’t written anything clever on the subject since!”

  20. So the Boston Bruins were invited to the White House, but all star goalie and Conn Smythe winner Tim Thomas refused to meet with Obama. He said:

    “I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.
    This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.
    Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.
    This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic.”

    Everyone is now shitting their pants. Wasn’t there a team a while back who had some members who refused to visit GWB, and they were all hailed as free speech heroes? Thomas will not get the same treatment, is my guess.

    1. Yes, but Thomas is obviously a threat, with his Tea Party terrorist rhetoric. Shame on him going against the circle-jerk that is what right thinking people believe.

      1. I hate those stupid mean Democrats and their double standards.

    2. The refusal to visit GWB was one of principle and anti-war. It also was a statement about executive overreach and our barbaric foreign policy.

      The refusal to visit BHO is racist.

      How hard is this to understand?

      1. I’m too busy watching this tractor pull to be understandin all that.

    3. Good for him. Everyone who has a problem with it should just stfu.

    4. According to Twitter, Tim Thomas is now a racist homophobe.

      1. So is Obama gay?

  21. OT: Here you guys go, enjoy.

    http://news.yahoo.com/arkansas…..35575.html

    1. That is pretty vile, but I can’t help but wonder if that story gets more air time / ink than Fast and Furious.

      1. Oh come on Baked, you know I respect you, but can we not be partisan about this? I’ve found that anytime I say something obvious, and then follow it up with a “but…”, it’s usually not good.

        For example, a typical Tea Party voter today: “I don’t like Big Government, but…”

        I was just waiting for some of our resident TEAM RED to come by and claim it’s a false flag operation.

        1. Jimbo, my point was that as atrocious as this action was, F&F has resulted in several human deaths directly attributable to the current administration. All in all, I agree TEAM X sucks as bad as TEAM Y.

          1. Yeah but what does bringing up F&F have to do with this story, at all? I mean you can do that with literally anything.

            “Somebody shot Obama’s dog!”

            “Oh yeah – FAST AND FURIOUS ZOMG LAMESTREAM LIBERAL MEDIA!!!11!1”

            It just sounds like “B-b-but democrats are worse!”

            The media having a liberal bent has nothing whatsoever to do with whether this is a heinous crime or not, so I don’t understand why even bringing that up.

            And I see AlmightJB went the false flag route below. Sorry guys, but that sickens me. If this happened to Ron Paul, it’d be, “Christ has low can those degenerate liberals sink!?” But since it happened to a liberal, it’s “But…FAST AND FURIOUS! FALSE FLAG!”

            1. Fifty-fifty chance the cat was killed by a Democrat to gin up pity votes.

          2. Notice the recent Doonesbury implying that F&F is only some right-wing conspiracy theory nonsense?

            1. What’s a doonesbury?

        2. Fast and Furi-what?

          1. Ohhhh, you mean that gun thing. That girl over at CBS has that covered. No need for the rest of us to get involved.

    2. What’s the problem? Siamese are well known for their liberal leanings. How many mice, garter snakes, and sparrows were saved or created by this action?

    3. I would not be surprised if the cat died of natural cause or got hit by a car and the dude spray painted it himself. Not saying that’s what happened, just that it shouldn’t surprise me. That’s often turns out to be the case in racial “threats”.

      1. A cat belonging to an Arkansas Democratic campaign manager

        He’s just the campaign manager. How many people would even know who he was, or think to target him? Seems a little odd to me.

    4. Well that’s just stupid, there’s no such thing as a liberal cat. They’re mean, murderous bastards with sociopathic abilities to make you want to cuddle them anyhow.

      1. They’re mean, murderous bastards with sociopathic abilities to make you want to cuddle them anyhow.

        sounds pretty liberal to me.

  22. all star goalie and Conn Smythe winner Tim Thomas refused to meet with Obama.

    Nice.

  23. I’m drinking a 40 of Mickey’s and eating a double cheeseburger from Whataburger. Come at me nannies!

    1. If only the taste police would go after you instead.

      1. Whatever elitist! Gimme a few years and I’ll be suckling on 20-year-old scotch and munching on organic fair-trade third-world infants with the rest of you.

        1. Your Quicksilver Kevin Bacon bike messenger career is going to really have to take off, then.

          1. See, I figured I’d skip the bike messenger bit and just go directly to being Kevin Bacon. Less pedaling plus having everyone within 6 degrees of separation made it an easy choice.

            1. That’s probably a better choice, but somehow I don’t think you can dance your way to being rich. Dancing is not a crime!

          2. Which Kevin is truly worse – Bacon or Costner?

            1. Costner, obviously.

              1. Canadian

        2. Would those be *free-range* infants, Bingo? You don’t want cage-raised food.

  24. cocktail plus a few glasses of wine during dinner, followed by a digestif or nightcap, would be enough to qualify as a binge.

    In the House of Paul, this is usually my warm-up before leaving for work.

  25. Not only that, but “a large body of evidence shows that drinking at that level is associated with a number of health hazards, including car accidents, injuries, violence

    I like how car accidents, violence etc., are “health hazards”.

    Paging Hugh Akston who predicted everything would be reported in terms of Health Costs and Savings…

    Like I said, already here, baby.

  26. How I Met Your Mother before tip-toeing to bed….

    Amateur. If you don’t knock at least two lamps over, you haven’t been drinking.

  27. I can drink three beers an hour all day/night long with no real problems.

    1. If they are shit beers, sure. My grandfather was never without a crappy domestic beer in his hand and I never saw him drunk a day in his life.

      1. I enjoy a good heavier beer now and again (porters, stouts, red or brown ales) but I can only drink two or three. Not because they’re too strong but because there too filling, so yes I am talking Miller Lite or as you say “shit” beer. It taste great to me after a hard days wirk and I have fun which is the goal for me.

        1. or work

        2. Being a craft brew snob is a filling and expensive job, but somebody’s gotta do it. Sometimes I will go to Whole Foods just for their superior beer selection and that’s all I end up buying, which gets you some weird looks. Health food: I iz doin it rong.

          1. The best part about Whole Foods is that the Beer/Wine section is right next to the by-the-pound hot food and salad bar section. It’s the ultimate in laziness if you want to get shitfaced off good beer and gorge yourself on tasty food without having to leave your home and go to a restaurant.

          2. Yeah, I used to have to drive 20 minutes to find really good brew, but one of our local grocery store chains recently expanded their selection. Thirsty Dog, Fying Dog, Rogue, New Holland, Great Lakes, and many more along with some local microbrew selections. It’s pretty awesome.

          3. The WF’s with a bar in them add another touch of mild decadence to the scene. It is fantastic to be able to shop with a pint in one hand and wander throughout the store. They’ve usually a decent selection too, at least around Houston.

            1. Drinking while shopping can lead to unhealthy food choices. Obviously this must be banned.

  28. When did MADD take over the CDC?

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  30. I guessed we are condemned to have our lives governed by the whims of jackasses permanently.

    1. Only if you are too drunk to shoot straight.

      1. “Beware of strong drink: It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss!”

        — Heinlein

        …. Hobbit

  31. We are all binge drinkers now.

    Actually, that sounds alright.

  32. What disease was the CDC trying to control with this study? I don’t understand.

    Next, we’ll see Homeland Security doing things that aren’t designed to keep the homeland safe, like setting up sex tourism stings overseas. Oh, wait…

    1. I’m guessing their response is going to be “alcoholism”.

    2. I hope you realize that if you are smoking a cigarette while getting run over by a (ecologically-pure recycling) truck, the death is ‘smoking-related’, don’t you?
      I mean, this is FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, so any sort of dishonesty is not only tolerated, but preferred.

  33. “What disease was the CDC trying to control”

    Freedom

    1. +1 double-shot.

    2. Holy crap. Bread crumbs all over my keyboard from laughing.

      (my soul is crying however)

    3. It is a chronic condition no less.

    4. Haha, I read that in GW Bush’s voice.

    5. A large body of evidence shows that freedom is associated with a number of health hazards, including car accidents, injuries, violence and risk of contracting a sexually transmitted disease so you must be protected from it. Think of the children.

  34. I never saw my grandfather without a bottle of Miller High Life in his hand, and I also never saw him drunk. Although, now that I think of it, he actually subscribed to the Congressional Record and read the thing front to back, so maybe the alcohol kept him sane.

  35. I’m drunk as I’m reading this.

  36. Nanny goats gotta bleat.

  37. So the binge drinking thread is our default debate discussion thread its looking like?

  38. According to the CDC: “stay away from chainsaws and forklifts”…

    Easy for you to say…

  39. in unrelated news, an ever larger body of evidence shows that smoking marihuana at that level is associated with a number of health hazards, and that number is zero.

    seriously, not even lung cancer

  40. Hey! The DTV display says “next” on channel 4 here in NY is the debate, but they’ve got on a quiz show. Maybe they thought the debate was a game show!

    1. It’s starting to look a lot like Who’s Still Standing 😉

  41. Saturday before last I attended a Yule celebration that included a sumbel, and remarked, “Technically I’m going to be binge drinking.”

  42. I just had a great time and then went to sleep.

    That’s the problem.

  43. I knew this post would generate good comments. And a thirst.

      1. As one of my Skippers used to say:

        “I’m a drunk not an alcoholic; those assholes go to meetings!”

  44. Heaven forbid people have a good time and use drink as part of that. They might actually enjoy life and release stress.

    Since Tara Parker-Pope thinks that’s bad, maybe I can release stress by punching in her face instead.

    Too bad that’s illegal. Can we just call Tara Parker-Pope a retarded fetus and it’s magically legal?

  45. Would be nice if you’d follow up on why you think this study was released. That is, what is the next story, “Based on recent CDC findings, we now realize binge drinking is an increasing problem in mid-recession America, therefore the government must. . .[insert freedom-limiting power grab here].”

    Continue to ban marijuana for fear of binge smoking?

    Increase taxes on alcoholic beverages?

    Start a new and expensive advertising campaign to end drinking?

    Change the package size for college-style alcoholic drinks?

    Raise the drinking age to 75?

    In other words, this report seems like an obvious set-up for some new policy to be unveiled. What is the shoe that’s about to drop?

  46. The prohibition mentality never dies, it just digs itself deeper into the bureaucracy.

    -jcr

  47. For a man of my weight and height (6’3″, 210 pounds), five decent beers over the course of a few hours is barely noticeable. This is considered binge drinking?

    Defining downward so the data fit your narratives of moral panic and health epidemic is transparently stupid, CDC. Who do you idiots think you are?

    1. At a bachelor party weekend a few years ago, in a cabin in the woods well-stocked with alcohol, I learned that even I (5’8″, 135 lb) can keep up a rate of roughly 1 drink/hour more or less indefinitely, if I’ve got food and water as well. So yeah, the definition is crap. Ultimately, the only way to define binge drinking is by its effects – did you get real drunk? did you do something stupid? – but nobody needed the CDC to tell us that.

      1. a cabin in the woods

        OMFG! THERE WAS PROBABLY A CHAINSAW NEARBY!!!11oneoneone

  48. Even if you buy that Alcoholism is a disease, what percentage of the people defined as binge drinkers develop the “disease”?

  49. Thus they build the case for Prohibition II…

  50. “I consumed seven drinks in total, or about two per hour. I finished with a Scotch just to cap the night and then took a taxi home where I watched half of an episode of How I Met Your Mother before tip-toeing to bed….”

    Is he offering this as evidence that binge drinking isn’t dangerous?

  51. They fail to mention the most dangerous risk of social drinking: waking up in bed next to the 9 that magically subtracted itself by 7 after you sobered up.

    1. “If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then ‘real’ is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain”

      So it doesn’t matter what she looks like when you wake up – you still had sex with a “9”.

  52. Nazis used to binge drink. Need I say more?

  53. Flash- CDC expands definition of binge drinking, prevalence of binge drinking expands alarmingly. In related news, defining chocolate as an intoxicant explodes the occurrence of intoxicated Americans.

    1. what this economy really needs is a ban on caffeine and chocolate products.

      That way they can go underground, and we can then officially adopt System D as the new national economy.

      1. …and we can then officially adopt System D as the new national economy.

        I read the interview in Wired with Robert Neuwirth. He gets to the brink of understanding free-markets, spontaneous order, innovation, and entrepreneurship. Then at the last second, falls back into defending government controls, taxation, etc. Very interesting subject, though. I hope more people read about it, and it enters into the discourse.

  54. This “a couple of drinks over the course of an evening” binge drinking crap is heavily infecting the military nowadays.

    The Navy/Marine Corps has had several large ad campaigns running over the course of the last 20 years.

    And the penalties for misconduct with even the hint of alcohol involved get crazy. Get punched in the face while drinking because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time – that gets recorded as an alcohol related incident. Get a few of those and you can be referred for treatment, even if you never committed any misconduct yourself.

    And the wierdest is equating .08 BAC with some magic line of dangerous drunkeness. I had a friend blow over .08 when she was apprehended on-base for fighting. She was awarded worse punishment because of her irresponsibility in allowing her BAC to get so “high”.

  55. “CDC: If You Drink Enough to Enjoy It, You’ve Had Too Much”

    That is certainly what the alcoholism counselors have been saying to the alcoholics for 50 years.

  56. I think moderation is key. I don’t drink much myself. Just a little after breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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