Ron Paul Reaches Out to the Youth of Occupy Wall Street
Why the Texas Republican attracts young voters
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) may have placed third at the Iowa caucus on Tuesday, behind a tied-up Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney, but he did so while pulling 58 percent of caucus goers under the age of 30, according to MSNBC.
Paul's popularity with young people is legend, and last night's showing reveals that it extends to conservative Iowa. (Students at West Des Moines Valley High School, where an appearance by Paul yesterday morning nearly brought down the house, elected the Texas congressman president in a mock election last month.)
Less well-known is Paul's sympathy for young people whose political concerns only slightly overlap with his own: namely, the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement.
At a campaign event in Iowa last week, Paul spoke of forging common ground between Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party. "There's a lot of people unhappy, and they're not so happy with the two party system," he said. "So in many ways, I identify with both groups."
Compare these statements to Newt Gingrich's advice to Occupy Wall Street demonstrators that they, "go get a job, right after you take a bath;" to Michele Bachmann's spin that OWS is "the Obama re-election team"; or Mitt Romney's declaration that OWS is "dangerous."
"In many ways, it's a very healthy movement," Paul observed on December 5. "I'm not one to say, 'Why don't you get a bath and go get a job and quit crybabying.' I don't like that at all."
Paul's success with OWS is understandable, considering that a youth-driven movement has bolstered his own candidacy since his first GOP presidential run in 2008. Devotees of the rEVOLution have been visible at Occupation sites throughout the country. "The Strange Odyssey of the Ron Paul Tent" was well-documented by local press at Occupy Philadelphia, while "End the Fed" advocates were a prominent fixture of the original OWS encampment in Zuccotti Park in Manhattan. College-aged libertarians even organized frequent "splinter marches" to the nearby New York Fed building. One of them, Chris Savvinidis, became a mini Internet celebrity by virtue of his spirited soliloquies.
And when the NYPD arrested 730 people on the Brooklyn Bridge in October, a few "Ron Paul 2012" placards were sprinkled among the crowd. I first asked Paul about OWS before the Brooklyn arrests at a New Hampshire townhall. "If they were demonstrating peacefully," Paul told me, "and making a point, and arguing our case, and drawing attention to the Fed—I would say, good!" He put a conspicuous, enthusiastic inflection on the word "good"—as if to add, "and it's about darn time!"
This comment proved typical of Paul, who subsequently heralded the movement in televised debates. At times, he has even adopted OWS's nomenclature. "If you listen very carefully, I'm very much involved with the 99," Paul said at a November campaign event, after being "mic-checked" by members of Occupy New Hampshire. "I've been condemning that 1 percent, because they've been ripping us off. So, we need to sort that out. But the people on Wall Street got the bailouts and you guys got stuck with the bills, and I think that's where the problem is." Paul's statement echoed the OWS mantra, "Banks got bailed out, we got sold out."
Predictably, Paul's overtures to OWS have rankled big-government conservatives. "Praising the left-wing Occupy Wall Street movement is an unusual move for a Republican presidential candidate," clucked John McCormack of The Weekly Standard, "but Ron Paul is, of course, an unusual Republican presidential candidate."
Lately, Paul's electoral fortunes have been bolstered by increased backing from independents and disaffected Democrats. By emphasizing foreign policy, civil liberties, drug policy, and corporatism—in a November debate, he suggested that bailed-out firms "deserve taxation"—Paul has evinced awareness that his candidacy would require substantial support from non-Republican sources. Monday night, Public Policy Polling noted the distinct possibility that he could place third among Republicans and still prevail in Iowa; Lynda Waddington reported in Salon that members of "Occupy the Iowa Caucus" are largely deciding between "uncommitted" and Ron Paul. "If the Occupy Wall Street movement sends a message this week, it may be via the libertarian Congressman from Texas," she concluded.
Michael Tracey is a writer based in New Jersey. His work has appeared in The Nation, The Guardian, and The Washington Post.
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BFD - young people historically are all show and no go in elections.
True, but potentially less true with the increasing use of the internet and social media.
I think they turned out big for Obama though.
Right, Bill. Now if RP could harness some that enthusiasm....
66% 18-29 showed up to vote in 2008
54% 2004
48% 2000
53% 1996
43% 1992
47% 1988
40% 1984
44% 1980
The trend appears to be going up and up. Obama got a huge boost. I think with social media candidates can get to younger voters much easier. I think if your platform doesn't reach out to them, you're going to give away a huge chunk of votes.
If you look, the biggest jumps occured in the 96 and 08 elections. Essentially 'revolutionary' elections periods. In 96 it was the republican wave, though the youth might have been coming out against it, and in 08 at is was the great Conbama. There has also been a longer trend, and I think, or would like too think, that it has too do with the growing disatisfaction with our goverment. Most of the worst things our goverment doing won't be felt for many years or even decades later, right when the millenials will be in their prime earning years. Here is hoping their youth has them sitting on the mountain top and gives them the ability to see the longer term trends of some of our poorly thought out policies. Though I could be wrong, maybe P.Diddy just convinced them that voting was kewl.
You're too dismissive. A ton of young people came out for him in Iowa and they are super dedicated. Every disenfranchised section of the public needs a leader. Better that Paul converts them into free minds and free markets than socialist dickwads.
RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RONPAUL! RONPAUL! RONPAUL! RONPAULRONPAUL! RONPAULRONPAUL! ARF! ARF! ARF! ARF!
Sorry, RP is a nut. Disavowing racist newsletters that went out under his name? Saying we deserve Muslim terror because of our support of Israel? He may have some good ideas somewhere, but better he give them to someone else to run for office.
"Disavowing racist newsletters that went out under his name?"
Jeremiah Wright says, "Hi".
Nowhere does he say we "deserve" the terror; only that we should look into what actually CAUSES terrorism instead of saying "they hate us 'cause they're JELLUS!!!"
Like when a dog bites you, you stop and say to yourself, "maybe I shouldn't have been poking it and throwing Skittles in its face" instead of yelling "why do you hate FREEEEEDOM?!?!?!?!" at it.
this
What Jim said.
You guys at Reason are almost as big a fruitcake as Ron Paul. He needs to focus on the economy and shut up about everything else. It's the ONLY area where he has any credibility
Tell me - has anybody who relied on the youth vote ever actually been elected? To the best of my recollection, that's a strategy that's been falling flat on it's face since Eugene McCarthy.
The corollary to the youth vote myth is the myth that when current youth becomes middle-aged, they're still going to be voting the same beliefs and priorities they have now.
Still waiting for my legal LSD and the selective service repeal on that one.....
When I was a kid all the people that were angry at the government were young people.
Now the big majority mad at government are middle aged.
But they are mostly different people.
"But they are mostly different people"
We'll presume this to be total bullshit until there's something approaching evidence.
Got any?
{{Citation needed}}
Obama.
ever taken into account of age gap in population skew, which just so happens to be toward the old because of babyboom? or are you going to relay stats from b4 ww2, when the presidents we had were less controlling by miles in any standard of measurement anyway.
Some of the priorities the youth have will change. However, much of what the youth in the 60s demanded they got, unfortunately, when they got to the 90s and 00s. I sincerely hope that libertarianism is the future of the republican party, as every person who even nominally identifies with the republicans has been most assurdly more libertarian than conservative.
by every person I mean a person in their 20s
What's the over / under on this thread? 600 comments?
Nah, too late in the day. 300 is much more interesting number to bet on.
Shit, at this rate, more like 30.
Ugh, yeah. I thought the topic would be huge, but the additional PM thread sucked the life out of this one.
Epi - I considered the evening effect, but I thought RP & OWS would be red meat. Bad call.
"threads".
2,000, BAKEDMINION! 1,000 COMMENTS FOR EACH OF P2'S TITS.
MMMMMM, HIPSTER LIBERTARIAN CHICKS.
Who is P2 and how do we know she's a hipster libertarian chick and most importantly does she vaguely look like a librarian?
P2 in the picture with the story is my guess.
Bah, completely missed the reference.
Who is A0? Cause he's sure a young cutie.
. . . behind a tied-up Rick Santorum . . .
I bet he likes it like that. By the time these latent homosexuals get around to addressing their pent-up gayness, they're ready for the more advanced stuff.
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Ryonen's talents have many facets. She is a student at university in her home town of Portland, Oregon. She is devoted to fashion and all aspects of art nouveau, as well as off-beat photography. Her interest art is wide ranging and original. "I love strange and interesting poses" she tells us "and I love to create images of beauty and terror, joy and sadness." Studies of the nude form have always fascinated her.
Now it's time for the practical.
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There is something other-worldly about Ryonen. It's got a lot to do with her flawless milk-white complexion.
Mostly it is her eyes that captivate us. They are like pools hinting at mysterious depths. Let's not forget the rest of her though. This petite 21 year old girl is rich in sensuous curves and perfectly formed in every way. Swimming and yoga keep her gorgeous body in peak condition.
Ryonen's talents have many facets. She is a student at university in her home town of Portland, Oregon. She is devoted to fashion and all aspects of art nouveau, as well as off-beat photography. Her interest art is wide ranging and original. "I love strange and interesting poses" she tells us "and I love to create images of beauty and terror, joy and sadness." Studies of the nude form have always fascinated her.
Now it's time for the practical.
http://www.hegre-art.com/models#action=show&id=222
There is something other-worldly about Ryonen. It's got a lot to do with her flawless milk-white complexion.
Mostly it is her eyes that captivate us. They are like pools hinting at mysterious depths. Let's not forget the rest of her though. This petite 21 year old girl is rich in sensuous curves and perfectly formed in every way. Swimming and yoga keep her gorgeous body in peak condition.
Ryonen's talents have many facets. She is a student at university in her home town of Portland, Oregon. She is devoted to fashion and all aspects of art nouveau, as well as off-beat photography. Her interest art is wide ranging and original. "I love strange and interesting poses" she tells us "and I love to create images of beauty and terror, joy and sadness." Studies of the nude form have always fascinated her.
Now it's time for the practical.
http://www.hegre-art.com/models#action=show&id=222
There is something other-worldly about Ryonen. It's got a lot to do with her flawless milk-white complexion.
Mostly it is her eyes that captivate us. They are like pools hinting at mysterious depths. Let's not forget the rest of her though. This petite 21 year old girl is rich in sensuous curves and perfectly formed in every way. Swimming and yoga keep her gorgeous body in peak condition.
Ryonen's talents have many facets. She is a student at university in her home town of Portland, Oregon. She is devoted to fashion and all aspects of art nouveau, as well as off-beat photography. Her interest art is wide ranging and original. "I love strange and interesting poses" she tells us "and I love to create images of beauty and terror, joy and sadness." Studies of the nude form have always fascinated her.
Now it's time for the practical.
http://www.hegre-art.com/models#action=show&id=222
Why is Reason blocking my porn spam?
God damnit Reason! Why are you blocking my posts?
Because they're young and gullible, and too naive to know any better?
Dunno. The one just to the right of center don't look like "youth" to me.
The one just to the right of center don't look like "youth" to me.
Compared to RP, she's probably a spring chicken 😉
Could be, but RP didn't write the headline.
Ron Paul found a crowd in the OWS people that knows even less about the Federal Reserve than he does.
The yutes love him though.
Re: Shriek,
That would make the OWS people veritable experts in the Federal Reserve, compared to you at least who is certainly clueless about it yet you fancy yourself a wise connoisseur.
The fact is. Shriek, you do not understand money, what it is and how it works, in economic terms. You tend to look at it in a financial sense, which is wrong.
How are Paul's Fed investigations going as Chair on Monetary Policy? Something he fought for?
Oh - yeah. He got schooled by the Fed.
Read his fan site here if you don't believe me --
http://www.dailypaul.com/16640.....-6-1-200pm
Shriek,
If you have a point, let's see it. A link to a site minus any details is, well, juvenile.
Is there a time on one of the videos that supports your claim? Is there a comment that supports your claim?
Or are you just posting links?
Yeah. Saying "We will keep an eye on things" is hardly schooling. Fuck, you're stupid.
Re: Shriek,
What about them? What does that have to do with Paul's knowledge on the Federal Reserve or yours?
I'm telling you: You're looking at the role of the Fed through the glasses of a financier instead of an economist. The Fed's creation of money creates inflation, distorts the price of money (the interest rate) and creates an information dislocation between consumers and investors. This dislocation is what fools investors into malinvestments and subsequent bubbles. This is the economic effect. You don't see it because of your lack of sophistication.
You have it backward. The Long Depression of 1873-1896 occurred during the era before the Fed. The panic of 1907 resulted in the famous banker JP Morgan eventually rescuing the system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Depression
Central banks are essential to a modern economy.
"Central banks are essential to a modern economy."
Assertion minus evidence.
You're saying, just because there wasn't a central bank, there was nothing else of a centralized nature that distorted the appearance of certain investments and caused a bubble leading to those two occurrences that you mentioned?
Private investment became centralized and evaporated - leading to a long depression.
Much like the mortgage fiasco on Wall St.
See also 1929.
"Private investment became centralized and evaporated - leading to a long depression.
Much like the mortgage fiasco on Wall St.
See also 1929."
Hmmm.
Unsupported statement (let's be kind and call it an "opinion" as opposed to "bullshit"), followed by two non sequiturs.
Good job, shriek!
I am not going to list the causes of the Long Depression when Wikipedia does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Depression
Going to a gold standard was one of them though.
"I am not going to list the causes of the Long Depression when Wikipedia does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Depression
Going to a gold standard was one of them though."
Hmmm,
Statement supported by *WIKI* followed by more "opinion".
Way to go, shriek!
Mortgage fiasco-2008-government.
Subsidized railroads-1873 (and 1857, 1893, 1907, and 1960s)-government.
Wall St is not "government" - no one made Lehman, Bear, Merrill, or Citi enter the market.
Its right-wing bullshit. Cavanaugh writes about it here - see The Big Lie.
shrike|1.4.12 @ 9:49PM|#
"Wall St is not "government" - no one made Lehman, Bear, Merrill, or Citi enter the market."
Do the names Fannie and Freddie mean anything to you?
Do you have even a grade-school concept of moral hazards? Perverse incentives? How long have you spent learning to be an ignoramus?
shriek,
Let me ask you a few questions. Answers provided in parentheses.
* Did Fannie/Freddie borrow below market rates due to the implicit guarantee? (Yes)
* Did Fannie/Freddie pump up their balance sheet with significantly greater leverage than the banks? (Yes)
* To goose their earnings, did Fannie/Freddie buy significant amounts of sub-prime paper (roughly 10% of the market) for their own holding, not to be securitized)? (Yes)
* Would a one-way trader (purchase only) with an implied government guarantee and subsidized liquidity taking up 10% of a securities market likely distort pricing? (Yes)
* Did the patterns of Fannie & Freddie's participation in the market roughly coincide with the overheating of the sub-prime market? (Yes)
Wall Street has always been populated by greedy bastards out to grab whatever rents they can get their hands on. That's hardly a new thing. But they're also fearful. Fannie and Freddie's participation in the sub-prime market helped create an illusion of safety that told market participants that the risk of sub-prime was justified by its returns.
True, Bill, Fannie and Freddie are very culpable in the meltdown, but you can't ignore all the wonderful "products" Wall Street created like SIVs (RMBSs in particular) and CDSs. Nevertheless, as you say, it was the "implied" government guarantee of F&F bundles that juiced the market.
"Central banks are essential to a modern economy." That's absolutely true.
The problem is central banks can do both good and evil. So far, Bernanke has done well. Volcker did well. It was that guy in between.
PC Scipio|1.4.12 @ 10:58PM|#
"Central banks are essential to a modern economy." That's absolutely true.
The problem is central banks can do both good and evil. So far, Bernanke has done well. Volcker did well. It was that guy in between."
Uh, your first sentence is contradicted by your second.
How so?
"How so?"
Well, you claim it's "essential" and then point out that it only works with X person in charge.
Sorry, that means it's a mistake waiting to happen. Unless you (or the Top People) can guarantee there's always the "right" person in charge.
Rule of Law and all that.
Let me rephrase then: In a "globalized" world of fiat currencies, fractional banking systems, and economically meddling governments, central banks are essential to manage monetary stability and, maybe, to facilitate employment. An army needs a general to manage a battle; without one chaos would surely ensue. Same with a central bank in today's world, but like a general, the CB doesn't have to be good at its job.
Yeah, because "army" and "economy" are synonyms...
And all the other unsupported implications... Yes, indeed.
Oh, please, it's a metaphor. If you want to rebut, rebut, but don't be obtuse.
So, what are the implications that I didn't support?
Yes. It's a metaphor. Just an incredibly inappropriate one. The Fed is not supposed to be the "general" of the economy, or even the financial system. The economy, or even the financial system, is not supposed to answer to the Fed or act on its orders. Even if one supports the notion of a central bank, it is supposed to act as a facilitator of private transactions and a provider of liquidity, not as a Gosplan for a nominally free economy.
"Just an incredibly inappropriate one." Hmmm. Are you familiar with the word "hyperbole"? Although I think you intended to be taken seriously.
Nevertheless, Bill, I appreciate the response; your reductio ad absurdum of my simple metaphor has set a new benchmark for pedantry and dogmatism in an internet forum. I just wish they had little badges here that I could award, like they do over at HuffPo.
For the record, the Fed has a dual mandate of facilitating maximum employment and stable prices, and I don't think anyone but perhaps a very small number of ideologues believe the Fed is trying to centrally plan the economy. It's that sort of extremism that damages core libertarian ideals (e.g., individual liberty and civil rights) in the eyes of folks who are just trying to live pragmatically in today's world.
I realize you're a purest, but lighten up. You'll live longer.
But the current actions shows that the Feds really cant facilitate employment in the long term. Sure they can in the short term, but eventually their actions will culminate in one big fuck off, that is preciesly what is happening now. Non of the usual tricks are working, precilesly because they've fucked around with the sytem to the point that it needs to go through a major over haul. It's like they deslinked the slinky.
And as for monetary stability, gold has a great track record.
There are pluses and minuses to basing currencies on metal standards. Wikipedia "gold standard" does a reasonably good job of listing them.
I think the reason Fed policies haven't worked so well during this downturn is because we are now confronting some serious structural dislocations in the employment arena and businesses are being very cautious given consumer demand and government policy uncertainties.
I watch the economy very closely and things are on the upswing for businesses, at least the global ones. Unfortunately, I'm not sure we'll ever see the kind of robust labor market and middle class America has come to expect. Sad really.
Ummm...My law?
Oh, and shriek, read here if you don't believe me:
http://www.google.com/ig?brand.....0&reason=1
Many youth today probably can't spell racism. I wonder if Ron Paul is a closet pedaphile. I'm pretty sure the old crackpot is secretly cross dressing under those oversized suits. And the fake eyebrows! What a fucking clown!
Re: Maxipad,
That explains Obama.
You want a kindred spirit to give you camaraderie?
It's a good thing you're such an idiot, Max, because you can really be amusing.
Max supports NAMBLA
Turn off that computer, young man, and take your bath! You know we have to get up early to meet with Dr. Betsy!
I sometimes picture Max as being like Howard Wolowitz, except less appealing.
I picture him as Sid Phillips, now grown up and living in his Mom's basement.
Nah! More of a retarded Sheldon Cooper.
Max|1.4.12 @ 7:46PM|#
"Many youth today probably can't spell racism."
And here the pony trainer told us he taught you at least one new trick!
"Many youth today probably can't spell racism." ...Max
Most youth today can spell moron.
Max|5.16.11 @ 6:13PM|#
PLUS HE'S A RACIST BIRCH SOCIETY SCUM
ANYONE HO VOTES FOR RP IS A MOROM
Well, I know for a fact that you can't spell pedophile.
YOU sure as fuck can't use the word properly, even if you are able to spell it.
According to an unsourced reddit post 68% of caucus voters were over 45 and there was another line that showed Paul getting 49% with the 35-and-under crowd.
In short, fuck boomers.
no, you
Yo dawg, I herd you like conspiracy theories, so here's a conspiracy theory about conspiracy theorists.
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http://frontpagemag.com/2012/0.....ense-plan/
Why don't you make some comments instead of just posting links?
Do you have any thoughts on these subjects?
There is something other-worldly about Ryonen. It's got a lot to do with her flawless milk-white complexion.
Mostly it is her eyes that captivate us. They are like pools hinting at mysterious depths. Let's not forget the rest of her though. This petite 21 year old girl is rich in sensuous curves and perfectly formed in every way. Swimming and yoga keep her gorgeous body in peak condition.
Ryonen's talents have many facets. She is a student at university in her home town of Portland, Oregon. She is devoted to fashion and all aspects of art nouveau, as well as off-beat photography. Her interest art is wide ranging and original. "I love strange and interesting poses" she tells us "and I love to create images of beauty and terror, joy and sadness." Studies of the nude form have always fascinated her.
Now it's time for the practical.
http://www.hegre-art.com/models#action=show&id=222
PA
ZOUL
12!!!!!!!!!!!
You know who else had a youth movement supporting him....
yes, i agree..
Jesus?
Jesus?
Barney?
Willy Wonka?
Hey, speaking of Da Yutes for Paul, even Joe "Let The Music Do The Talking" Perry was tweeting about his support for the Ron Paul last night.
Wait - that's the geriatric vote. Never mind...
There is something other-worldly about Ryonen. It's got a lot to do with her flawless milk-white complexion.
Mostly it is her eyes that captivate us. They are like pools hinting at mysterious depths. Let's not forget the rest of her though. This petite 21 year old girl is rich in sensuous curves and perfectly formed in every way. Swimming and yoga keep her gorgeous body in peak condition.
Ryonen's talents have many facets. She is a student at university in her home town of Portland, Oregon. She is devoted to fashion and all aspects of art nouveau, as well as off-beat photography. Her interest art is wide ranging and original. "I love strange and interesting poses" she tells us "and I love to create images of beauty and terror, joy and sadness." Studies of the nude form have always fascinated her.
Now it's time for the practical.
http://www.hegre-art.com/models#action=show&id=222
nice share, great article that controvercial..
it's all about conspiracy..
There is something other-worldly about Ryonen. It's got a lot to do with her flawless milk-white complexion.
Mostly it is her eyes that captivate us. They are like pools hinting at mysterious depths. Let's not forget the rest of her though. This petite 21 year old girl is rich in sensuous curves and perfectly formed in every way. Swimming and yoga keep her gorgeous body in peak condition.
Ryonen's talents have many facets. She is a student at university in her home town of Portland, Oregon. She is devoted to fashion and all aspects of art nouveau, as well as off-beat photography. Her interest art is wide ranging and original. "I love strange and interesting poses" she tells us "and I love to create images of beauty and terror, joy and sadness." Studies of the nude form have always fascinated her.
Now it's time for the practical.
http://www.hegre-art.com/models#action=show&id=222
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The libertarian movement in general, and Reason in particular, is losing its credibility by leaps and bounds through its embrace of the "Occupy" movement. For all the talk of auditing the fed and corporate welfare, any casual observer of the movement can see the bulk of the members are about government regulation of private entities and old fashioned wealth transfer through government coercion.
Really, I'm starting to think this magazine is less about "free markets and free minds" and more about blinding throwing its lot in with anyone who talks about marijuana legalization.
Funny I was gonna say Occupy loses its credibility if it aligns itself with the likes of RP.
Some liberals seem to have a disturbing propensity to liking what RP says on foreign policy and then ignoring the vast destruction that would occur if RP were ever in charge of domestic policy.
But these are usually young people, college age--perhaps a bit too old for Ayn Rand dorm room bullshit, but then not nearly as old as RP.
Yes because the current system of goverment interaction is going so well. I mean time and time again we have been shown, through real world instances like the USSR, Japan, and now Europe. That goverment directed, or encouraged, economies eventually go down the shitter.
Here is some food for thought Tony. I live in Washington State, we have a population of 9 million which is twice the size of Norway and amongst the top 25 in Europe. We have a state GDP of 340 billion dollars, which would be amongst the top 15 nations in Europe. Washington would easily sit amongst the most developed nations if it were a European country. So why can countries populations smaller than my state, or GDPs smaller than my state, be so capable of running themselves well. But apparantly my state would be utterly incapable of taking care of itself without big tits goverment to suck off of? It is an utter contradiction in logic. There is no reason, based off of real world examples, why the states cannot be largely left to their own devices to govern themselves. In fact I bet you would see an improvement in quality of governance and standard of living. Especially because the American states would have an advantage that the European ones don't have. And that is if one state goes full retard its relatively easy to move to another state. It is much harder to move from one European country to another. Whether or not your a liberal, libertarian, or conservative, if you care about honest goverment then what Ron Paul is saying about states rights should make absolfuckinglute sense.
I mean for fuck sake we have 3 states with GDPs over a trillion dollars. But wait.. no without big goverment children will starve in the streets.
excelfuckinglent comment
"domestic policy" sounds like an oxymoron
If you can't tell the difference between the USSR and European social democracies, why should I bother continuing to read your post?
You blame every possible problem in the world on government per se. It's pointless. There will always be a government. With any luck it will be one that is accountable to you in some way.
And I don't see what's consistent about allowing states to be individual tyrannies--and they have been very very unfriendly to freedom at times. Some states have higher populations than the US had at points in its past. What possible difference is there? A government must be as large as it needs to be to address the concerns of those within its jurisdiction. Being anti-federal government but pro-state government isn't about even being antigovernment. It's about, and has always been about, favoring certain anti-freedom policies in certain states. When the federal government has intervened in state affairs it has often done so to increase individual freedom.
"When the federal government has intervened in state affairs it has often done so to increase individual freedom."
In a monologue filled with idiotic ejaculations, this has to be the dumbest thing you said.
"Funny I was gonna say Occupy loses its credibility if it aligns itself with the likes of RP."
That would require OWS to have started with at least a modicum of credibility in the first place.
You should definitely cancel your subscription.
[Since when is Reason embracing the Occupy movement?]
It's so fitting that OWS and Ron Paul would join forces; get all the nuts in one box.
Anyone on the fence about Ron Paul and his foreign policy needs to watch this.
http://www.voteforronpaul2012......orters.php
Goldman Sachs
$367,200
Credit Suisse Group
$203,750
Morgan Stanley
$199,800
HIG Capital
$186,500
Barclays
$157,750
Kirkland & Ellis
$132,100
Bank of America
$126,500
PriceWaterhouseCoopers
$118,250
EMC Corp
$117,300
JPMorgan Chase & Co
$112,250
The Villages
$97,500
Vivint Inc
$80,750
Marriott International
$79,837
Sullivan & Cromwell
$79,250
Bain Capital
$74,500
UBS AG
$73,750
Wells Fargo
$61,500
Blackstone Group
$59,800
Citigroup Inc
$57,050
Bain & Co
$52,500
Guess who's campaign contibutor list this is? Obama? Very close, but no. Romney.
Ron Paul 2012- no more paid representatives thank you.
People make far too much of these supposed "corporate campaign contributions" lists - no matter whom they're attacking. These numbers reflect money donated by employees of the corporations listed. Not sure where you found that data (citation would be nice), but it's far less "telling" than you're giving it credit for.
Hit me up the minute Ron Paul votes for any policy that ostensibly benefits powerful corporate interests.
Traditionally, youth have been "all go and no show", but that was when "go" meant "wearing a cool t-shirt" or something. Today's Ron Paul youth are not just wearing cool t-shirts; they're knocking on doors and making phone calls and waving signs. You think they'll suddenly forget to vote come election day? Not going to happen.
Today's youth face real and obvious problems. They can see the bite of FICA taxes; they can do the math and figure out the ROI of their "investment"; they have to scratch hard to find jobs; their educational costs have soared. It's not hard to figure out that their biggest problems are caused by the government and the Federal Reserve.
With his vintage sideburns and old-school rock hair falling in his face, Jimmy is an irrelevant curio with no place in the modern world. Cut loose from the only life he knows, he returns to his childhood home in Forest Hills, Queens, where he tells his ancient mother (Lois Smith) that he's actually the Cult's manager and sometime songwriter, and that he has only dropped by for the day before shoving off on another international tour. After rather too much interaction with mom
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