New Poll Finds Concerns About Big Government Near All-Time High
Gallup released new poll results showing that 64 percent of Americans say Big Government is the biggest threat to the country in the future. Only 26 percent say that Big Business is the biggest threat and 8 percent say the threat is Big Labor.
Gallup first began asking this question in 1965. At that time, 35 percent said Big Government was the greatest threat, 17 percent said Big Business, and 29 percent said Big Labor. Now concerns have coalesced around Big Government, while concerns have significantly diminished regarding Big Labor.
Source: Gallup
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deja vu
"government is not the solution, government is the problem" Reagan.
Perhaps the pendulum is going to start to swing back.
You gonna offer bets on Paul winning a state this time around? I will take you up on it for 2012.
Who cares? Emily Ekins is hawt. Google her.
Yeah, but BYU.
meh. You should have gone to Vanderbilt U. They were a dime a dozen. And rich, too.
Can't be said enough.
Can we drop the whole polling emphasis? Polls show people are worried about big government...and then they will go and en masse vote for bigger government, QED.
Polls are nearly meaningless. This is just like those polls McDonald's ran before trotting out their "healthy" fare, that showed some statistically significant percentage of people stated they would eat salads and wraps, only to have the actual percentage of those items sold come in at less than half what the poll indicated they would.
Jimbo is 100% correct. I do not understand how anyone takes polls even remotely seriously.
Well, y'all are in the minority because I've read that 72% of the population take polls very seriously.
I think we should take a poll on epi.
It will post one tomorrow.
Suggested questions?
Don't you two start doing your little mating dance around my comments. Take that shit somewhere else.
Mating dance? I just want to know what the cheap bastard is getting me for Christmas
It's a pony, now scram.
note: dismembered pony parts still technically qualify as pony
Once you sew the parts back together and do the Voodoo you have a zombie pony which is way cooler than a live one.
Do zombie ponies eat people brains or pony brains?
How could anyone slaughter this creature?
oh dear rather, if only there was a video to go along.
Thank you for that.
Me like:)
They go after these guys.
It's a pony
OOOOOOOOOooooooooooooh!!!
I agree, the only poll that matters is the one you take at the cash register.
-jcr
Worry about big government correlates to government being friggin' huge. This seems plausible.
By the way, I called you a chicken this morning because I'm a child...and I was trying to get you to play the Reason Hit & Run College Bowl Pick-em. And in case you're curious, the password is: "liberty".
And we've moved up to 22 players, so don't miss out! It's gonna be all anybody talks about for weeks. Weeks, I tell ya!
Just for you, Sloopy my love.
I guess he's not subject to the law. It said he may Face penalties, but shouldn't he have been ticketed, as any other person would have been?
I'm fairly certain most people would have gotten in hella trouble at the scene, not weeks later after an internal investigation.
It must be easy to make comments like this when you can ignore FACTS. I'm sure everyone here who lives in the "frightening" world of Reasonland probably "knows" that there's some double standard, some special set of rules for law enforcement, but the FACT is ANY PERSON who gets into an accident like this would face the very same consequence of having his government-provided vehicle almost certainly possibly taken away for some period of time maybe.
And futher, when that perhaps happens, and that marked vehicle can no longer be displayed prominently in that citizen's driveway, burglars will no longer know that citizen's house is a special, protected home.
My left arm was tingling until I got halfway through that post. Bravo!
Res Ipsa Loquitur
It gives me joy that I'm not yet well enough known here that comments such as those are immediately suspect, because using joke handles is too much work.
So basically you're saying you're lazy.
Among other things.
Indolent? Apathetic? Moribund?
Did you read the Dude's story? That took real effort up there. Granted, sloppymayan isn't the brightest crayon in the toolshed, but still I had to craft two whole paragraphs to lull him into thinking I was serious. When was the last time you lulled anybody?
Well, I lulled your mom last night. She's a real bargain, your mom.
I mean, are you really going to crow about lulling in sloopy? He's high on goofballs and he's been drinking all day. That's like fooling Jim.
Yeah, but I'm so disgusted with day-to-day reality, that I want to be fooled. So it really doesn't count.
If you choose UF over OSU, I will have Pope Urban come to Cali to personally smite you.
Ahem, that's tOSU, thank you very much!
/Oklahoma State Fans
Did you say something about Iowa State?
Giant killers baby!
I've got no dog in that fight; I'm a Texas Tech and Georgia fan.
Texas Tech...that's the school that has Yosemite Sam as a mascot, right? I guess that A&M is Bugs Bunny then.
Yeah, except we call him "Raider Red" to avoid any ? ? ? problems.
Actually had a string of real success under Mike Leach, which Tuberville has completely fucked up, that bastard.
Okay, I'm in.
New Poll Shows 36% of Americans Are Fucking Retarded: Gallup would also suffice as a headline for this story.
36%? You are way way too generous.
It's clear what this means: people who think big government are the biggest threat to the country's future are, in fact, the biggest threat to the country's future. Irrational fears are the biggest threat to the to any country's future.
Sooooo, an almost 2/3 majority of the country is the biggest threat to the country?
You're a fucking moron, Tony.
A. Fucking. Moron.
Since a majority elected Bush, twice, and supported his disastrous war in Iraq and his dangerous libertarians policies, I would say the answer to your questions is yes, the majority is a threat to this country.
"his disastrous libertarian policies"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's got to be a spoof. Not even Tony is stupid enough to say Boosch is "libertarian."
And that disastrous war in Iraq you refer to is the same war Obama kept running for 3 more years, right? And are the wars he got going in Libya, Yemen, Pakistan and the one he expanded in Afghanistan disastrous as well?
sloopyinca|12.14.11 @ 8:32PM|#
"That's got to be a spoof. Not even Tony is stupid enough to say Boosch is "libertarian.""
Uh, I think you grant shithead entirely too much credit.
What about putting Obama in office twice?
THAT majority is the real threat.
No, he really is that stupid.
I, personally, do not support democracy. Democracy is only a means for the majority to force its will on the minority. Of course, the smallest minority is the individual, and the individual is forced to sacrifice for the will of the people.
Yo, fuck democracy.
Mob rule. That's how a lot of fucked up shit gets passed.
Tony, you really need to have a chat with your crack dealer. You actually claimed that Bush had libertarian policies.
-jcr
All twenty two of us!
I shall allay your fears, Subject Tony, by putting those irrational people in prison for their thoughtcrimes.
Uh, that is, if you re-elect Me.
Bad spoof.
Obama already knows that guys like Tony have already sent in their voting cards with a check in the Obama column.
Are they talking about my website?
And yet political "experts" keep telling us that Ron Paul can't win...
If Ron Paul could communicate like, say, Nigel Farage, there wouldn't even be a race.
Since 1983, the majority of Americans think that big government is the greatest threat to America. So, why do politicians who grow the size of government keep winning elections?
To an old person: medicare,ss /= big gov
To a chicken hawk: war /= big gov
To a moralist: WOD,nanny state /= big gov
etc, etc
Limited choice of candidates.
One nit pick. Big government and big labor are now synonymous.
I was curious about that also. At the state and muni level, wages and benes are typically in the 60% range of the budgets.
How could you hope to reduce government at those levels without dealing with the damage caused by SEIU et al?
Big Government enables and provides cover for both Big Business and Big Government. So it makes sense that people zero in on it as the Big Threat.
xxx for both Big Business and Big Government
should have been
... for both Big Business and Big Labor
bah
See? We *do* have an edit function.
It's just a PITA.
64% of Americans are fringe racist teabaggers. I knew it.
Semi OT: National Defense Authorization Act passed, Sixth Amendment endangered:
http://www.google.com/hostedne.....0a4a2f53a5
By the House, it ain't law yet.
Roll: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml
Fuck you Culberson and Jackson-Lee, you cocks.
At least my new PA congressman (Fattah) said no. Maybe the only vote of his I'll ever agree with, but I'll take it.
Ron Paul did not vote? Huh.
Anyway, my rep (Sam Farr) voted NAY. He has pissed me off a time or two recently, but he certainly came through on this vote; not that it mattered, apparently. Look to the roster of YEA votes for the list of reps to toss out in November 2012. Oath violators all.
Fuck you Jeb Hensarling.
The poll kicked off in 1965; the words don't even have the same meaning from five years ago.
True. Big government back then probably implicitly referred to the military industrial complex. Now it means the mayor of your city is digging through your trash to make sure you're not throwing away recyclables.
Polls, smollz. More interestingly, collapse of conventional wisdom on Superman Fed & TARP saving the day.
http://cafehayek.com/2011/12/lehman.html
Fuck yeah! You can now stream Youtube through X-Box. The first thing I played? Safety Dance music video. I will not explain myself.
We can stream if we want to;
We can leave your friends behind;
Cause your friends can't stream,
And if they can't stream, then they're
No friends of mine.
"You know, that dance wasn't as safe as they said it was."
I'm disaapoint.
Oh shit, I always hate to disappoint.
Your xbox should be blown to bits
I saw them live. I believe they were fronting The Police. Wait. That was the group that did 'The Politics od Dancing'. Who did they front then? The Go Gos was it? Fuck I'm old.
They used to be Men Without Hats; now they're men without jobs!
You get a lot of people who say big government is the problem but are totally down with the WOD and the WOT and especially down with things like smoking bans. I was talking to some guy from out of state and he was railing against big government, then he says his big thing is that people who get welfare checks should have to take drug test. I'm like, what kind of bureaucracy needs to be created to administer that, how much is it going to cost, and is the cost worth the benefit. he didn't really care. That's a total lack of understanding about what big government is and how it pertpetuates itself. I really think a lot of is that people think things should be "fair" and that somehow the force of government can be used to make everyting fair. It's shit of course. Fair is a made up word that doesn't exist in reality.
In the absence of any rational criteria of judgment, people attempted to judge the immensely complex issues of free market by so superficial a standard as "bigness." You hear it to this day: "big business," "big government," or "big labor" are denounced as threats to society, with no concern for the nature, source, or function of the "bigness," as if size as such were evil. This type of reasoning would mean that a "big" genius like Edison, and a "big" gangster, like Stalin, were equal malefactors: one flooded the world with immeasurable values and the other with incalculable slaughter, but both did it on a very big scale.
I think it has more to do with large concentrations of (too much?) power which very well can be a threat. That's well understood and is why be have three branches of government (colusion not withstanding).
I think it has more to do with large concentrations of (too much?) power which very well can be a threat. That's well understood and is why be have three branches of government (colusion not withstanding).
I think it has more to do with large concentrations of (too much?) power which very well can be a threat. That's well understood and is why be have three branches of government (collusion not withstanding).
I think it has more to do with large concentrations of (too much?) power which very well can be a threat. That's well understood and is why be have three branches of government (collusion not withstanding).
wow, 4 times. Thats a new personal record.
You win the 4x multiplier bonus!!!
Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. The more times, the better.
I think ol' Ayn is agreeing with you to a certain extent. After all, Small Government that fought the War on Drugs would still be evil; Big Government that did nothing but contract enforcement and self-defense would not.
C-C-C-C-COMBO!!!!
Eh, Ayn honey.
You yourself think "big government" is really really bad, not because of the government part, but because of the "big" part. After all, you're not one of those irrational anarcho-capitalists.
Remember, honey?
I don't know. Yes that is how Big Government perpetuates itself, but I don't think it is totally off base to tell someone that if you are going to take this stolen money to ostensibly feed your children, you have to prove you aren't pissing it away on drugs and booze.
Obviously the correct answer is to not give people money you stole from someone else.
What am I, chopped liver?
What am I, banned?
I know right?
They think what we tell them to.
We will do what's best for everybody whether they like it or not. And you better like it if you know what's good for you.
Oh Yeah...
Not sure if this has been posted yet but Gary Johnson is set to go LP tomorrow according to this.
http://www.independentpolitica.....-tomorrow/
"Gary Johnson is set to go LP" makes it sound like he's coming out.
'I'm announcing my candidacy for the libertarian party nomination. And I'm Gay.'
That might actually get a news cycle. Good strategy.
Gary Johnston: But, I thought you weren't gay?
Spottswoode: This isn't about sex, Gary, it's about trust!
Oh, Johnson not Johnston:)
'stache!!!!!!
http://www.examiner.com/libert.....t-gingrich
Thou Shalt not take the Shat in vain.
Using the nick that is the past tense for 'shit' sounds kind of vein to me, hence my respectful use of his full last name.
Uhm, 'vein'. Jeez, I'm worse than Charlie.
Vindication!!! I need to go back through the archives and see who was lecturing everyone about how they were traitors if they picked Paul over Barr. Shit, the guy was so transparent. How tha fuck did he even get the nomination?
BAAAAAAAAAARRR!
Fuck that dude.
On a related note (ie big gov vs big business), I was watching an old episode of family guy yesterday and they kept harping on some "big business made marijuana illegal" theory. Something about paper suppliers going after the hemp market. Has anyone else heard this? Do people actually believe this shit after all the well-documented Anslinger asshattery? It definitely feels like another historical rewrite of government do-gooder opression.
To lefty's like MacFarlane, corporations are the evilist of evils.
Evil.
MacFarlane is a creepy shithole.
Did you see that episode where Quagmire went off on Brian? I think someone went off on MacFarlane like that one day. There's no way he's introspective enough to have written it himself.
Good times.
That was good. Now hulu is showing random clips.
'So, where you wanna go, my new honky friend?'
That's the one. Brings a tear to my eye.
That's the understatement of the year, chris. MacFarlane is beyond creepy and has actually gone over to the "pure malevolence" category. His entire goal in life is to make anybody to the right of Stalin look like a baby-raping, shit-eating, line-dancing klan member.
If he fell into a pit of AIDS-infested snakes and mosquitos carrying ebola, he would be getting off light.
Fuck the doc, I accept your marriage proposal.
Are you gonna be my Yum-Yum?
I'll be your little buttercup (accept not fat).
*except
Would...would you be willing to become fat if I paid you a lot extra?
Well, With A Little Bit Of Luck, when temptation comes I'll give right in.
A matchmaker couldn't do any better.
Truly Scrumptious, though we may seem presumptuous, never, never, ever go away.
Our hearts beat so unruly,
because we love you Truly.
Honest, Banjos, we do.
People will say we're in love.
I know, but Isn't It Kinda Fun?
Bless your beautiful hide!
And yet I still find Family Guy to be hilarious.
It's great except for those 3 or 4 "special" episodes where he crawls up his own ass.
OK, yeah, this made me laugh.
"Not today's fancy featherbed threadcount gay. People got hurt back then!"
"We used to give each other wet-willies and funny arm. We'd play dandy-balls and legs-a-spread and penis-butt."
Netflix links instead of Hulu, please.
Hey, were you the one giving me guff over First Class the other day? All a ploy for banjo sex, wasn't it?
Banjo sex sounds painful and potentially disfiguring. But there's almost certainly a fetish site for it somewhere (can't check now, at work).
No decent returns when I googled "Banjo Fetish," but this little bit of weirdness popped up. I wonder what name he posts here under.
Dum-da-dum-dum-dum-dum-dummm...
That was the riff from "Dueling Banjos" by the way.
Who knew the Pillsbury Doughboy could play an instrument?
Ron Jeremy's Filmography Ih He Had Played The Banjo Instead of Having Anal Sex.
Now that's comedy.
Except as my handle might imply, I'm a huge kaiju eiga fan, so I was able to correctly guess all of the names of Gamera foes that is a little further down the page.
Philmore Butts' Hawaiian Banjo Adventure
I LOL'd
Ixnay on the uffgay!
But yes, that was me. And only because her boyfriend get her to watch it, and there's no way in the world there are two people in the world that could have thought that movie was anything other than ball-sucking rubbish. Hence, I thought you might be him.
She said 'yes' why are still giving me the business?
Speaking of UofF, here's the best of Kerwin Bell
and I win me an internets.
Pshaw. That's nothing. Witness: The Tebow crying like a bitch.
That's nothing. Behold: the coolest youtube joke of all time! (stick with it until the end, trust me, it's worth it!)
whaaa-aat?
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On YouTube? I've sent several e-mails to Google demanding that they remove the safety option, now this!?!
Mine and my kids personal favorite video:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=muppets buddy rich&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC8QtwIwAg&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_BmeBfV-O4&ei=CoHpTvSnNdL2ggfslPWGCQ&usg=AFQjCNEqnk6xtMyS-hGvIiCjyTH049tsOw&cad=rja
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_BmeBfV-O4
Fuck Buddy Rich. This is the best Muppets video ever made.
Dude, click the "I am 18" tab. This might be the funniest shit I've seen on YouToob in quite some time.
God bless him, I can always count on sloopy to help spread a good joke.
They want me to sign in with an email verification!
Sign in, it's totally worth it dude, seriously.
I'm not creating a Google account over one video.
That's weird, I've never even heard of having to do that before. Just make some shit up.
Actually, I got an idea and went ahead and used an old account my brother stopped using years ago, but I have to wait for verification.
Probably because I don't use any Google services beyond the search engine, I was giving a stop page and no one else was. I don;t trust them. CIA front if there ever was one.
I'd explain the joke, but it won't do it justice. It's one of those you've got to see to get.
No worries. Just got an e saying they'll confirm shortly.
It'll be worth your wait.
Wow! That came out of nowhere. I almost gave up on it, but I kept on through. I just wish it was a bit shorter since you have to watch all of it to get the joke.
+100 Jim!
I had to watch it 3 times to make sure I got it.
*shifty eyes*
I'm told that's how you guys stay warm up there.
Being from Texas, I wouldn't know anything about that.
It's not gay, c'est tranquil.
We don't have a half-frenchy country, so we don't speak or understand that nonsense!
Now say it in southern, or don't say it at all. You must make reference to slaves.
I think R. Lee Ermey had something to say about that.
No wonder I get so many computer viruses.
My only reply is this.
I had a feeling that was going to be gayer than Jim's.
If I was going to out gay that, I would have posted this version.
It's still real to me.
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever gets old.
I don't know what you're talking about; that guy is awesome. Plus it led me to videos of the Romulan and Klingon anthems...sung by people in those languages. Which really exist.
SuvwI' bom is not the anthem of the Klingon Empire, per se, it's just a popular "space chanty".
And yes, I could type SuvwI' bom without looking it up as picking up the Klingon Dictionary at the age of 13 led me to a life of linguistics. 🙂
That black part of you is like realllly recessive, isn't it...
Heh...technically I'm a quadroon, but who's counting?
That black part of you is like realllly recessive, isn't it...
Oh shit, that reminds me. Once night in college, when we were more wasted than usual, a bunch of us decided to get "Thug Life" tattooed in Klingon script on our stomaches. But we didn't think they had a word for "thug", so it was going to say, "Brigand Life".
I wish we'd gone through with it.
I dual minored in Russian and Japanese, so I too have an interest in linguistics.
Took a semester of vulgar (medieval) latin, but it was too much on top of the others.
Ok...one last link before I go to sleep:
SuvwI'pu' qan tu'lu'be
That.
Is.
Glorious!!!!!!!
That's going on Facebook.
Bookmarked and fucking sweet.
They have an anthem?
This is a great little gem from our friends, the Ferengi (no homo, I promise).
That makes we want to stab Captain Quantum in the junk with a plastic spork.
You would be much happier if you don't think of Enterprise as canon.
Not to hammer too hard on the Trek theme, but here's a 15 second clip of the most libertarian thing ever said on Star Trek.
That led me to this video. The funny thing is, the dumbass that made this doesn't see the logic in what Paul is saying. Perhaps a few comments are in order?
Youtube comments? I'd rather get trunked by a syphilitic bear.
Oh, I thought NBC News actually produced it in lieu of Meet The Press. My bad.
This one is pretty good also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEOa4h15yUc
Good as in it makes a point about how profit motive is better than the alternative. Though I don't think the writers knew exactly what they were saying.
I dunno, I've always suspected Ira Steven Behr as being a crypto-libertarian. He single-handedly rehabilitated the Ferengi from absurd stereotype to interesting alien culture and meta-narrative vehicle to question Roddenberry's "utopia".
He single-handedly rehabilitated the Ferengi from absurd stereotype to interesting alien culture and meta-narrative vehicle to question Roddenberry's "utopia".
Ehh, not sure about that. I just watched all the DS9 episodes earlier this year, and aside from one or two easily misinterpreted throw-away lines, profit motive was universally panned.
Woah, what about this? A whole strong rehab of the Ferengi and greed early on.
And there was also that one where Nog and Jake end up going through a Byzantine trading process and wind up ahead. That was a pretty good "climb the ladder" ep.
Woah, what about this?
I already posted that. Like I said, a few throw-away lines. And the climb the ladder ep seemed to have the take-away that only the very clever could ever get ahead in a capitalist system. Not exactly a shinning endorsement.
It's always good to see Weyoun get work.
Yes, Rooney Mara, I'll do whatever you say.
I have a completely worthless bachelor's degree in Theatre. But, godamn I have fond memories of my college days.
Not even the Keebler Elves could pack as much fudge as there was packed after that scene got done filming.
Not even close.
You should've seen what those animals did to poor Tuggy. Despicable.
That's kind of how my college was, except for more nudity and stray cats.
That's kind of how my college was, except for more nudity and stray cats.
I didn't know you went to Texas A&M.
Hsss...our arch-rivals. Glad to see them humiliated this year, and I picked against them in the bowl pool.
I bet I could have punched my way through that cast. Not that I'm a tuff gai, but to quote Homer Simpson when Bart asked him how he defeated the giant killer flower, 'son, it was a flower.'
I don't care if they collapsed, they still wrote the best anthem of all time.
ALL TIME!
It is pretty awesome and stirring.
Russia had to reword it and use the same tune, because they bounced around a few songs post-breakup, but none of them were as cool.
I wonder if chris ever got to watch that video?
I hope so. I hate for a new poster to not be in on all the funny shit we find on YouTube.
Even after 8 viewings, the joke never gets old.
Shit, I thought I was the only one that kept watching it. It's up there with that Klingon Eminem video.
It'd be awesome to see it redone, only using the guys from that Klingon rap video. Nerd out!
I gotta do it over. I didn't pass the damn Turing test used to stump bots! Fucking wavy pixelated words!
I just hope Banjos doesn't give up on me cause she thinks I'm a homo. My knowledge of musicals is starting to come out.
Banjos, don't worry. I have never seen sloopy's name or email on any of the homo email lists or phone trees which I belong to, much to my wife's chagrin.
I still think of you fondly.
And we've got 24 people signed up for the Reason Hit & Run College Bowl Pick-em. Not bad for 24 hours.
I'm gonna beg and plead for one more day and see what we get up to. Still can't believe no Tulpa, Pro Lib or Epi. I thought those guys for sure would be in. Pussies.
Now it shows 25
Some dude named David came on board.
Wow, that's pretty good for that short a time frame. Still, it'd be nice if Riggs or one of the other staff would play. What would it take? 20 minutes of their time to register and make their picks? The fucks.
This trip down musical lane has reverted me back to my childhood.
Look at this stuff
Isn't it neat?
Wouldn't you think my collection's complete?
Wouldn't you think I'm the girl
The girl who has everything?
Look at this trove
Treasures untold
How many wonders can one cavern hold?
Looking around here you think
Sure, she's got everything
I've got gadgets and gizmos a-plenty
I've got whozits and whatzits galore
You want thingamabobs?
I've got twenty!
But who cares?
No big deal
I want more
I liked it better before Disney gave in to the MPAA censors.
They were forced to go subliminal.
So long, farewell, goodnight, dear sloopy. Unfortunately, I have to be up early tomorrow. Otherwise, I would bullshit with you until the morning.
The Donald Duck "Fuck You!" is an old favorite.
BTW, I decided on the PS3. Got it today. With the Move controller and Let's Dance 4 for $300 bucks at Target. Alas, I will not be on the X-Box Live network unless I end up buying that in a month or so.
Ah, damn. But still a good choice. Look me up if you ever get an X-Box. We can watch Voyagers together and MST3K them.
You need to get both of the Batman games, Mass Effect 2 (if you haven't already played it on pc) and the entire God of War series.
And I shall bid you adieu as well...
We're concerned, all right... concerned that government is too small.
The country is becoming a public school writ large with all of us being treated like school children. Conservatives don't mind a little rough and tumble on the playground so long no one's lunch money gets stolen and there's no hanky-panky in the bushes.
Liberals don't mind a little hanky-panky in the bushes so long everyone plays nice and everyone with lunch money shares with everyone without. Even if the ones without spent theirs on candy on the way to school.
And both sides are more than willing to use the force of government to insure their preferred reality prevails.
The last time concerns about big government were at this high a level was in 2001. The feds must be really appreciative that Mohammed Atta and company got everybody to believe in big government again, even if it was only fleeting.
lol, is anyone actually surprised? I mean seriously.
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