FDA Shuts Down DIY Sperm Bank!
The NY Daily News - the eyes, the ears, the honest voice of New York! - reports on the Food and Drug Administration's pulling the plug on a one-man sperm-donor operation:
Trent Arsenault, 36, says he donates semen to low-income and same-sex couples who face hurdles acquiring it at licensed sperm banks.
"It is helping people in need," the Fremont, California, resident told CBS San Francisco. "I don't make any money, I don't charge people anything. And it's just helping childless couples have children."
The FDA disagrees. In a Cease Manufacturing letter delivered on Nov. 1 of last year, the FDA classified Arsenault's setup as a "firm" that "recovers and distributes semen and therefore is a manufacturer of human cells, tissues and cellular and tissue-based products."
Arsenault says he's fathered 14 kids and the FDA figgers he passed out 328 samples over the years (I'm hoping whoever did that counting got time and a half).
The agency ordered Arsenault to shut down the renegade semen-distribution operation until he demonstrated compliance. Arsenault, on the other hand, contends that as a sole donor he should not have to comply with laws established for sperm banks that operate as businesses.
The dispute lingered on for over a year before CBS San Francisco broke the story for the national media this week. Arsenault says he continues to donate sperm while he waits for his hearing.
Arsenault maintains a website here, which is chockfull of pictures and information.
Laffs aside, this sort of story is more and more likely as the DIY revolution continues to spread across all sorts of activities. Reason folks tend to dismiss the FDA as a punch of useless bureaucrats (and they often are), but do readers feel comfortable with an unregulated market in this sort of instance?
I do, assuming there's no fraud involved. It's clear that this is a voluntary exchange and one that will be difficult if not impossible to regulate out of existence. I wonder about what sorts of people would go through these channels, but I'm sure the answer to more and better services all around is deregulating restrictions and allowing all sorts of private-sector certification agencies assume the role they do in other commercial areas.
Reason on biotechnology, including the sale of human eggs and more.
Bonus questions: What are the capital requirements for a sperm bank? Can they be overleveraged?
Hat tip: Baylen Linnekin of Keep Food Legal (yes, I know, unfortunate linkage).
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"Honey, let's since you're sterile, let's go to a sperm bank."
"What, and get ripped off by those corporate fat cats? No way. I know a guy."
This. I support freedom of contract and reproduction, but I am really creeped out by the idea of going to the wal-mart of sperm banks to reproduce.
Why? People do the essential equivalent in bars and trailer parks every day.
Just because you can't give away your spooge, you try to undercut those of us with marketable jizz. You disgust me.
The idea of getting spooge from a guy who calls himself "Warty" makes me uncomfortable.
the fda has no problem when I voluntarily contribute semen to low income women at the tittie bar or various pickup joints of course I do not offer this service to same sex couples needless to say unless they they are lesbians who somehow love man bits
They exist. Be careful.
I foresee an episode of Maury!
"...an unregulated market"
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that would be every weekend at teh bars.
Yeah, I give a deep discount on sperm on the weekends. I don't even give my real name, so it's just as anonymous.
Yeah, I guess every guy looking to hookup on the weekend is a "renegade semen-distribution operation" subject to FDA regulation.
New band name: Unregulated Semen Distribution. For that I could even play dubstep.
Look at that initiative. Making a hobby into a paying job.
His name is interesting. Arsenault. Arse, of course, means "ass", and "nault" means "power." Ergo, Asspower/Powerass.
I want to know how I can buy a franchise for myself.
Do you suppose he's a bottom who is capable of generating an enormous amount of power?
I don't know, but it does make me want to ask some questions.
As long as you post TheAnswers on YouTube.
Are you familiar with Fred Garvin's work? I think that's the answer.
I too am an unregulated sperm dispensing operation I wonder if they cut off your balls for that
I think you're looking for the Dept of Justice, down the hall on your left.
I don't have a problem with unlicensed anything, but people who can't produce children attempting to produce them pisses me off for some reason as does any attempt at purposefully producing children. But I'd rather them do this than force other people to pay for artificial fertilization.
You oppose the continued propagation of the species?
what a retarded thing to be pissed off at.
Are you suggesting all kids should just be accidents of sex- instead of planned and expected results?
No, I really just can't stand hearing about people "trying to get pregnant" and whatnot. Its a "shut the fuck up" thing that I take out on all children. And I have no interest or disinterest in prolongation of the species.
You're breeding a race of clones in your basement, aren't you?
You're breeding a race of clones clowns in your basement, aren't you?
Fixed
Perhaps there might be specimens referred to as "clones" of some species of some kingdom of organisms being bred for some purpose within my house. You could say that.
Robot slaves? I knew it!
Well .... stop bogarting and pass it.
Weeeeeeeed!!!!
there was no specification about clone children vs non cloned. It was producing children at all.
What about people fucking in general? Does that piss you off? Does it piss you off to know that the only reason it feels good is because something had to be done to entice the species to propagate? If fucking didn't feel good a species would die out. So, the only reason you feel sexual pleasure is because it leads to creating babies. So, you should hate all sexual pleasure.
They're incubating in crusty socks.
Seriously, it occasionally irks me too. People jumping through crazy hoops to have a kid that's genetically 'theirs'. Specially if my tax dollars are paying for their IFV and high risk pregnancies.
Adopt already ... geez.
acronym fail, that's IVF
Clearly, you've never read Dune.
You fear Colonel_Angus is your Count Fenring, don't you Muad'Lib.
Nah, genetic eunuchs don't bother me.
Say, what's a genetic eunuch?
as does any attempt at purposefully producing children
Huh? ?Por que?
An unregulated market? No
A privately regulated market? Yes.
And, since consumers want regulation and assurances of quality, the big firms who establish and/or submit to such regulation will attract customers that would otherwise avoid them.
There are some things that everyone wants to keep on the up-and-up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A50y2RvkN3Q
This guy is building his own genetic army. GENIUS! That's how I can take over the world.
This, combined with Reason's recent article about how libertarians are likely to have libertarian kids means 1 thing.
We all need these websites (well, not Tony, etc) and spread the seed of liberty. Though, I wonder if he does it the high tech way or the "low tech" way.
Turkey baster ... FTW!
What can't they do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGNO-Fc9OHM
I'm sending some sperm to the LP to breed a master race of libertarians RIGHT NOW!
Is Reasons "Lobster Girl" available for breeding?
That's where the donors pay instead of the other way around, right?
Or at least wet nurse.
/obligatory
Honey, you can't even get a girl to swallow; I doubt she's going to want your libertarian spooge
But swallowing doesn't make babies.
Xnay on informatioay.
Do ya really think the world needs more Autism Spectrum Disorder in the gene pool?
Note to rather: some time in the 20th century, it became generally socially unacceptable to make fun of people for their disabilities. Sorry you missed the memo.
From the context, I assume you consider autism to be a disability. I am among those who consider them to possess an alternative mental processing system, and it is as much our (neurotypical) problem dealing with them as it is their problem.
For some reason we don't consider screaming at deaf people decent, humane, or productive. Autistics, on the other hand, are in a free-fire zone.
If you actually do believe that people with different mental stategies are unworthy of living, well... remember: eugenics begins at home. Or, only you can put the "eu" in "eugenics".
mea maxima culpa, spank me
-hard
then soft...
a new law and order episode has already been written
The FDA kicked down my door and confiscated the kleenex I keep in my nightstand drawer.
Fascists!
I donate every day. To my sock!
sock? eeuuwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
You want eewwwwww? I also use that sock for H&R puppetry!
OMG! barf-o-rama eeuuwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Pissy, I thought you were a girl. Hmm, are you?
Just because I'm often on the rag doesn't mean I'm a girl. Or not.
Looks like Pat Mustard won't be able to visit the US without running afoul of the FDA.
I support this dude's jack-it racket. But which is his seed, food or drug?
Perhaps that question is best asked to the FDA.
I believe this falls under "medical device".
Biological, which is also a category of drug.
Manufacturing? It's like there is a factory in my pants!
Does Steven Colbert know about this?
OK, so if a lesbian couple gets a male friend to ejaculate in a cup for them, that is now illegal?
What is the effect of this? To force people to use official for-profit sperm banks instead of doing it the old fashioned way?
evil CORPORAZUSHUNS!!1!
What can I say? The kid's got a lot of spunk.
Technically, one man produces enough sperm to repopulate the entire world. This is that man.
Thank you for using "spunk" correctly. I always laugh at that Ed Asner line.
"do readers feel comfortable with an unregulated market in this sort of instance?"
Yes? I mean, what's next? You accidentally knock a chick up and, in addition to child support, you get hit with a fine from the FDA for unlicensed distribution of semen?
I mean, it's the same shit, whether you put it in a jar for a while or not. And the health considerations don't depend on whether you're making money or not. So I can't see how they can fairly punish artificial distribution of semen, but not, um... direct... distribution.
"and therefore is a manufacturer of human cells"
Who isn't?
Will the FDA confiscate the instrumentalities of this crime?
Store it in the evidence locker?
"Your Honor, this is People's Exhibit A..."
"People's Exhibit A+, you mean. Oh, my!"
They're shutting down DIY spermbanks? Great, now I'll have to hide my computer.
The hat tip was in bad taste.
Eat more parsley
In a Cease Manufacturing letter delivered on Nov. 1 of last year, the FDA classified Arsenault's setup as a "firm" that "recovers and distributes semen...
Sounds like my shower drain.
pic or it never happened
and put this up or SWAT is after your ass
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---HURRAY FOR THE "SUPREME COURT"!
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--END THE 'POPULATION' 'EXPLOSION'!
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"MALTHUS" FOREWARNED US!
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No more kids, will end "Religions"!
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-------------GREAT!
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I have to take my "hat" off to the rest of youse guys here. This news item is so mind-blowingly silly -- and frightening in its implications for the increasingly invasive regulation of voluntary human activities -- that I am left speechless.
thanks
He could not have bothered getting tested for STI's and still had unprotected sex with lots of women, so what's the problem? Why is the "Food and Drug" Administration even involved in this?
The guy is setting himself up for the mother of all child support obligations, considering the extent to which the courts have essentially adopted a strict-liability theory regarding sperm (the only exception is sperm banks that comply with the voluminous regulations on this, which presumably this guy isn't (the fact that he identifies himself as the donor is strong evidence that he doesn't)). Ultimately if one of the recipients ends up putting his name on the birth certificate (the donor agreement does bar this, but neither that bar nor the prohibition on seeking child support is an obstacle to the ), he's fucked, especially if said recipient ends up going on welfare (which, since he's giving sperm to low-income couples, is somewhat likely).
The fear for child support obligations is reduced if the man have so many children (14). If one of them go for the money, he could simply give his money to all of them. If he is not rich this will be not be enough to bother.
This case inspired a book exploring the government's power to regulate "rogue sperm donations" like this. It's called "KC," available on Amazon, though the legal case that unfolds there is set within an erotic romance tale that introduces men to the world of "Chick-Lit."