Craig Shirley-How Pearl Harbor and December 1941 Made America a Global Power
The bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese on December 7, 1941 killed over 2,400 Americans and led directly to the entry of the United States into World War II.
In his powerful, thickly researched new book, December 1941: 31 Days That Changed America and Saved the World, Craig Shirley chronicles the day-by-day shifts in American culture, politics, and national identity through that horrible month. Before December, Shirley tells Reason's Nick Gillespie, a solid majority opposed entry into World War II and the "eminently respectable" America First movement was poised to help select the next president of the United States. Non-interventionism was so universal that Franklin Roosevelt himself had campaigned for his third term as president on a promise to keep "American boys" out of European wars.
By the start of 1942, says Shirley, the long tradition of isolationism was over, never to be seen again. The nation that had rejected the League of Nations after World War I helped create the United Nations and America quickly became not simply a global economic, political, and military power but the dominant player on the globe.
The author of many books, including two biographies of Ronald Reagan and a forthcoming book on Newt Gingrich, Shirley talks with Reason's Nick Gillespie about what was gained - and lost - in the historical hinge point that was December 1941.
Approximately 8 minutes.
Camera by Meredith Bragg and Jim Epstein; produced by Bragg.
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Non-interventionism was so universal that Franklin Roosevelt himself had campaigned for his fourth term as president on a promise to keep "American boys" out of European wars.
Uh. His fourth term did not begin until 1945.
That's his public fourth term. His secret fourth term is another matter altogether.
...is big-government interventionism.
Dude, no way man, who would have ever thought about it like that, I mean like wow.
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Yeah, I know it's Pat Buchanan but still an interesting article about the run up to the war.
http://www.humanevents.com/art.....962&s=rcmp
Three comments and already a diversion.
[sniff]
So rambling on about private property and the city state in every thread ok. Linking to an artical relevant to the discussion not ok. Gotcha.
So rambling on about private property and the city state in every thread ok
Nope.
Linking to an artical [sic] relevant to the discussion not ok.
It's not about you.
I'm pretty sure it is.
You are not allowed to gambol about the thread, JB.
That's ok. I'm more of a frolicker than a gamboler:)
The Buchanan article is about as on-topic as it gets.
Right up through the 70's you heard a lot of talk about "no more Pearl Harbors" in response to any defense cut, it was ingrained on that generation.
Remember the Alamo!
54-40 or fight!
Remember the Maine, to Hell with Spain!
Casus belli, how does it work?
You and I know that this continuous putting pins in rattlesnakes finally got this country bit
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In before "Stop Calling Me Shirley!"
Sloop, do you like movies about gladiators?
I spent about a week crying myself to sleep after watching Gladiator because it didn't actually feature any genuinely awesome battle sequences, or big enough scale. Still an awesome movie, though.
The story we miss about the Japanese
Long, before Pearl Harbor, we had the potential and the wealth for matchless power. We just didn't put it to use as we did in World War II.
But some German dude on a CNN program told me America's always been a warmongering BITE AT IT BITE AT IT BITE AT IT imperialistic warmongering imperialistic *repeat these two words 100,000 times* empire of imperialistic, bloodthirsty imperialism.
Let's invade Germany and show him he's wrong!
You're kidding, but it's not funny when you think about it -- there's probably some neo-con somewhere that ACTUALLY believes that.
*Gulp*. Let's hope he never becomes President, eh?
"But some German dude on a CNN program told me America's always been a warmongering"
You know who else was a warmonger...
Ay-Dawlf Hit-lur?
Funny a German said that. But not entirely wrong. Cuba and the Philipines anyone? Granted prior to WWII the actions by the US overseas generally had a much better relation to US interests than they do now. Why are we in Libya? It sure as hell isn't for oil or security, but just a foreign policy thats been on autopilot since the end of the cold war.
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"Funny a German said that. But not entirely wrong. Cuba and the Philipines anyone?"
Yep, that TR was a war-monger. It's not a defense, but that was all the rage at the time.
Sounds interesting.
I would say that America's entry into superpower status was more precisely traceable to George Kennan's Long Telegram.
There were a range of things that combined to force U.S. power projection and active, forward diplomacy:
- The Soviet military expansion during World War II (the Soviet Armed forces were now fully configured toward large scale, modern, mechanized conventional war)
- The Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe
- Communist focus on revolutionary expansion
- The demonstrated power of aircraft during World War II not only as an adjunct to land and naval power, but as a strategic arm of its own.
- Nuclear weapons
- The inevitable end of European colonial empires (and the interplay with Soviet efforts to export communism through revolution)
Any opportunities for a "return to normal" were extinguished by events such as the Berlin blockade and the communist invasion of South Korea.
Had the communists (particularly the Soviets) been less bellicose, I think things would have turned out very, very differently.
"I would say that America's entry into superpower status was more precisely traceable to George Kennan's Long Telegram."
FDR organized the UN (which was presumed by the major powers to require a US global power) well prior to Keenan's comments, so I'm not sure I'd hang it on him.
In FDR's deluded estimate, the Brits would renounce their empire, and provide counterweight to the Soviets in Europe, while a 'democratic' China would do the same in Asia; FDR and reality were not really well acquainted.
"Had the communists (particularly the Soviets) been less bellicose, I think things would have turned out very, very differently."
Given that bureaucratic organizations (such as the post-WWII US military) find excuses for their own survival and expansion, I'm not sure this would have changed things in any major way.
One thing that *could* have helped would have been to get the Euros to support some of their own defense, but by that time they were free-riding, and they weren't (and aren't) about to cover the costs.
To be clear, I am *not* arguing some false-equivalence for the cold war; Stalin was a paranoid, moral monster, and his policies were the proximate the cause of the cold war.
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And Uncle Sam's the guy who can do it
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And he'll think a cyclone hit him when he's thru it
We'll take the double crosser to the old woodshed
We'll start on his bottom and go to his head
When we get thru with him he'll wish that he was dead
We gotta slap the dirty little Jap
We're gonna have to slap the dirty little Jap
And Uncle Sam's the guy who can do it
The Japs and all their hooey will be changed into chop suey
And the rising sun will set when we get thru it
Their alibi for fighting is to save their face
For ancestors waiting in celestial space
We'll kick their precious face down to the other place
We gotta slap the dirty little Jap
We're gonna have to slap the dirty little Jap
And Uncle Sam's the guy who can do it
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Hang'em with that Shickle gruber when we're thru it
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We'll call in all our neighbors, let'em know their free
We gotta slap the dirty little Jap
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Geting bombed didn't make our country beter it made us worse and FDR let it happen on purpose in order to get the war he wanted.
Come on!? Do you realise the number of U.S. interventions which took place *prior* to WWII!?!?
People have to look beyond WWII which seems to be, historically-speaking, year zero...
Some quick results after a Google research:
. http://academic.evergreen.edu/.....tions.html
. http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/r.....tions.html
Americans in the Chinese Air-force "Flying Tigers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tigers
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