Who is at Zuccotti Park?
Recent surveys of the Occupy Wall Street protesters at Zuccotti Park have found that not all of them are "hippies to hot chicks." So who are they? Interestingly, two percent of them make half of what the reviled one percent makes. And nearly a third say they will support violence to achieve their objectives (whatever those might be).
The Week very helpfully compiled the findings:
- 64 percent of those in the Occupy Wall Street movement who are under the age of 35, according to a survey of 1,619 people that visited OccupyWallSt.org. The survey was conducted by Baruch College professor Hector R. Cordero-Guzman and business analyst Harrison Schultz.
- 20 percent over the age of 45, according to the same survey
- 26.7 percent who are enrolled in school
- More than $75,000 annual salary that 13 percent of the survey-takers take home, according to Cordero-Guzman and Schultz.
- More than $150,000 annual salary reported by nearly 2 percent of the survey-takers ($343,927 adjusted gross income needed to be in the "extolled and excoriated 1 percent of richest Americans")
- 15 percent of the demonstrators who are unemployed, according to a different survey, this one conducted by veteran pollster Douglas Schoen via in-person interviews with 198 people at Manhattan's Zuccotti Park
- 18 percent of demonstrators who call themselves "part-time employed/underemployed."
- 53 percent of demonstrators who say they have previously participated in a political movement, according to Schoen's survey
- 98 percent who say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their aims
- 31 percent who say they would support violence
- 8 percent who say they are unsure of what they would like to see the movement accomplish
- 44 percent who say they want to "influence the Democratic Party the way the Tea Party has influenced the GOP"
- 32 percent who consider themselves Democrats; nearly the same amount (33 percent) say they don't affiliate themselves with any political party.
- 56 percent of demonstrators who say they voted in 2008
- 74 percent of those who voted that say they cast a ballot for Obama in 2008
- 51 percent of demonstrators who now say they now disapprove of Obama
- At least 25 percent who says they will not vote in 2012
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There are a number of things wrong with this sentence.
List 50% of them.
35% are Green and CPUSA?
31 percent who say they would support violence
Here we go again with the wording in survey questions. Does "support" mean "personally cap a bankster" or "fist pump when I hear someone broke a window"?
Good question. Similer questions could be asked about survies that are aimed at Muslims. Some are shocked at the percentage who claim to support violence there. But the same wording issue applies.
Also, one could argue that anyone who supports a government that is not strictly limmited in scope supports violence by definition.
Sorry for my spelling, I have not yet had my first cup of coffee.
It means put on a hoodie and a bandanna, practice throwing stuff through a Starbucks window to warm up for bank windows, then find some old Weather Underground burnout for bomb making lessons.
They used to call me "Three-Finger Pete" until the Seattle WTO demonstrations. Now they call me "Three Finger One-eyed Pete."
31% would cheer as the rich were marched off to the gas chambers or guillotine. They just don't have the balls to make it happen.
They don't realize the 31% is their parents.
Or the people producing wealth, food, and fuel in the country. Destroy them and we may as well live in Chad.
This way, Boomers.
Or the guns.
53 percent of demonstrators who say they have previously participated in a political movement, according to Schoen's survey
This is vague too - like being a Democrat? Signing a petition? Or being in a protest group?
Or getting a Maoist elected president.
I participated in a political movement once.
So did i.
So i can't spell my name. Its the fucking dead thing, don'ya know?
97% had a little to a lot of special education. 3% are still enrolled.
80% of the soap and deodorant is used by 20% of the occupiers. Pareto rule!
74 percent of those who voted that say they cast a ballot for Obama in 2008
At least 25 percent who says they will not vote in 2012
The only two stats in the list that matter.
56 percent of demonstrators who say they voted in 2008
That one is important too. Unless they mean 25% of the 74% or 56%
Some of them weren't old enough to vote in '08. The rest of the discrepncy can be explained by liars (lied about voting in '08 or lieing about voting in '12).
98% support civil disobedience to support their goals. Last time I checked nobody was forcing anyone to buy shares on the stock market, also no one was forcing people to buy the goods of the listed companies either. The only one forcing people to pay money for companies they do not want to pay for is the government.
"98 percent who say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their aims"
98% are willing to play the civil disobediance game, but the minute their conduct has any actual consequences, they will start shrieking hysterically.
These people have no idea what civil disobediance means.
These people have no idea what civil disobediance means.
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they believe it correlates to entitlement because their entire upbringing has taught them so. Pissed at mommy and daddy? Whine long enough till they cave. Don't like a teacher or grade? Raise enough of a fuss and someone caves. And so on.
Please share with the class what it means then.
I can sum who's there in one word: assholes. If you want two: entitled assholes. What do I win?
You win a free stay at Zuccotti park for a week.
I feel so special. Well, 51% of me does, anyway.
Bonjour, scum!
The funny thing about that is that while $344,000 makes you quite comfortable, it is hardly Captain of Industry/Monocle 'n' Tophat territory. To put it another way, I doubt anyone with an income of that is personally lobbying Congress for personally favorable tax treatment.
42 percent of me who is unfamiliar with this form of English grammar.
This is a survey of people who visited OccupyWallSt.org (and filled out a survey) not of people who are in the park or support the "cause".
74 percent of those who voted that say they cast a ballot for Obama in 2008
Which perfectly illustrates why I tend to have more sympathy for the OWS movement than the Tea Partiers. In both instances, I agree with their base complaint -- the TP is right in complaining that government spending and power are out of control, the OWS correct in thinking the system is rigged to benefit the rich at the expense of the poor -- but the TP is a primarily right-wing group that saw a right-wing president shit all over their ideals, but chose not to complain until a left-winger came along and picked up the same corrupt torch that right-wing president lit -- the OWS movement, at least, is/was honest enough to complain while "their" guy was president, rather than wait for an officially designated right-winger to take back the White House.
sorry, but you are wrong. The same TP folks whose distress began in seeing evidence that Bush was anything but a right-winger, certainly in terms of govt spending, kicked into high gear when a left-wing ideologue put the spending into overdrive. And, OWS is not "honest" about anything, in large part because so many in it seem clueless.
They pretend Wall St acts unilaterally, ignoring or oblivious to the fact that Obama has pocketed more Street campaign $$ than any candidate. Ever. Further, the TP actively worked to unseat Repubs in Congress. OWS is not doing anything even remotely similar. If anything, they advocate the opposite - an even more powerful (and more expensive) fedzilla to take, by force, from those who have earned to give to those who have not.
I'm kinda with you, Jennifer, but these Obama supporters don't seem to be really coming out against Obama quite yet.
Instead, they are diverting their anger over a rigged system away from "their team" and to that body of corpocrats traditionally associated with the other team.
I'm not willing to say, yet, that this particular bunch of rubes and dupes has had the scales fall from their eyes.
Most of them are still young, RC. When I was fresh out of college my politics were considerably less libertarian than they are now; it took a few years for me to realize "No, it's not just a few bad apples; it's the entire goddamned orchard."
But ... I've ranted before, on my own blog and even on a couple of sites that pay me to rant, about how the chief problem with America today is that far too many people -- left- and right-wing both -- put partisanship above principle. Bush/Cheney shit all over the constitution AND all over the idea of fiscal responsibility (first time in American history we declared war, and then CUT taxes to pay for it), but the bulk of the Tea Partiers said nothing until a DEMOCRAT came along to continue what B/C started. Too many left-wingers who rightfully loathed TSA when it was a Bush baby, then twisted their minds into whatever damned Mobius-pretzel shapes are necessary to convince themselves Obama's TSA is a vital plank in our anti-terrorism platform. The Oath Keepers guy, who started an oh-so-noble organization that puts the constitution over "just following orders" -- and I was ALL ready to climb on board until the twit admitted he only started the group after Obama's election because he's not trustworthy, the way Bush was.
These idiots will swallow any crap you throw at them, so long as someone on Their Side of the political spectrum is willing to assure them "That's not shit you're eating, sweetheart; that's freedom chocolate."
Partisanship is what Democracy is all about. Beyond that, concealing your partisanship is pretty important, too. Its natural outcome of majority rule. 51% wins the vote so you better band together.
A fair criticism Jennifer. But OTOH its easier to be a copycat. If these lefties were as genuine as you claim, where were they during the bailouts? If there was ever a time to "Occupy" Wall Street, that would have been it, no?
If any of these cocksuckers again vote for President Goldman Sachs, they should kill themselves.