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Politics

Wait, We Tried Austerity? And It Failed?

Peter Suderman | 9.2.2011 3:05 PM

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On Twitter, Nation editor Katrina vanden Heuvel offers what appears to be a response to this morning's net-new-jobs goose egg by posing the following question: "How many jobs need to be lost before it's crystal, crying out loud, starkly clear that austerity is discredited, failed"? 

No doubt this is largely a rhetorical question, akin to those age-old queries about how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll pop. 

Even still…austerity? Really? What sort of austerity would that be? The type that allowed for the creation of $4.9 trillion in new debt during the two Bush terms, and added another $4 trillion to the taxpayer tab in the two and a half years since President Obama moved into the White House? The sort of austerity that involved passing a $950 billion health care overhaul, an $800 billion stimulus package, and a debt deal that not only does not cut government spending over the next decade, but allows it to continue to rise? The austerity that has so-far included $1 trillion-plus in debt-financed, pay-for-it-later (with interest!) deficit spending each and every year that President Obama has been in office, and has the country hurtling towards a 100 percent debt-to-GDP ratio? That austerity?

Alternatively, one could ask: How many jobs need to be lost before it's crystal, crying out loud, starkly clear that the the case for endless, massive increases in debt-financed federal spending is discredited, failed?  

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  1. Lord Humungus   14 years ago

    I remember the ration stamps, the gas lines, hoppin' trains, and working the fields. When will the horror stop?

    1. O2   14 years ago

      plus folks werent fat, lived close to work, grew gardens & canned, plus hunted

      1. BakedPenguin   14 years ago

        but that was before the plus became an endangered species.

        1. Isaac Bartram   14 years ago

          😮

  2. sarcasmic   14 years ago

    How many jobs need to be lost before it's crystal, crying out loud, starkly clear that the the arguments for endless, massive increases in debt-financed federal spending are discredited, failed?

    It's only failed because there hasn't been enough spending!

    Government spending is the only way to stimulate the economy.

    Never mind that every dollar the government spends must be first removed from the economy.
    Never mind the opportunity cost of investors buying bonds instead of investing in businesses.
    Never mind the opportunity cost of taxed dollars not being deposited into banks where they can be lent out to people.
    Never mind that the money government spends in the economy would have been spent by the person the money was taken from.
    Never mind that before the government spends any money it first pays its employees who contribute nothing of value to society.

    No, never mind all that.

    We need more government spending!

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      Just saw a post at Boing Boing about Reich calling for more of that stimulating government spending. 'Cause we're not doing it, the government has to. The fact that we might be hiding under our desks until the government stops spending so much and scaring us from doing business at all never occurs to that statist mind.

      1. Episiarch   14 years ago

        In a just world--which of course will never exist--these fucks would be in jail already.

        "Hey, buddy, you think more government spending will fix the economy? OK, we can try that, but if it fails, you go to jail. How's that sound? Still want to spend other people's money on your theory?"

        1. Almanian   14 years ago

          This again? I'm not your buddy, pal!

          1. SugarFree   14 years ago

            unresponsive forfeit

            1. Almanian   14 years ago

              Heeeeeey!

              1. SugarFree   14 years ago

                unresponsive forfeit
                unresponsive forfeit
                unresponsive forfeit
                unresponsive forfeit
                unresponsive forfeit

                1. Trespassers W   14 years ago

                  (I started lulzing at about this point. Well played, SF.)

                2. JW   14 years ago

                  Did I miss something today?

          2. Sparky   14 years ago

            Who are you calling pal friend?

            1. Jon Schaffer`s Right Hand   14 years ago

              I'm not your friend, buddy!

              1. O'Bama   14 years ago

                Can't we all just get along, friend, buddy, pal, smooth soul brother!

        2. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          Jail, heads on pikes, same thing.

          1. SugarFree   14 years ago

            unresponsive forfeit

        3. SugarFree   14 years ago

          unresponsive forfeit

          1. Little Jerry Seinfeld   14 years ago

            It's funny both times!

      2. Almanian   14 years ago

        we might be hiding under our desks

        Way to be a selfish anti-Patriot, ProL. I don't know how you live with yourself.

        1. SugarFree   14 years ago

          unresponsive forfeit

      3. Libertarian2   14 years ago

        Reich: "government has to be the spender of last resort."

        Ach! How I despise that man.

        1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          From reddit via Boing Boing:

          evasilev: What is the top priority policy change you would like to see outlined in Obama's upcoming policy speech to Congress?

          Robert Reich: It will be a hard sell, but when consumers (whose spending is 70 percent of the economy) won't spend, and businesses (who are facing lackluster sales) won't hire, government has to be the spender of last resort. The President should ask for a trillion dollars to boost the economy. Not just on the WPA and CCC I mentioned, also infrastructure investment, also loans to cash-starved states and localities. With 25 million Americans looking for full-time work, and the cost of borrowing so incredibly low (T-bills at 2 percent), this is the only responsible thing to do.

          I know not everyone here understands economics, so I'll translate the former Labor Secretary's response: "Fuck you, that's why." Really, how much more of this crap do we have to hear? Yes, we are the economy, not the government. Maybe if this bloodsucking parasite weren't on our collective necks, we could get back to business. The government, I mean, not Reich personally.

          1. Rob McMillin   14 years ago

            "Third" Reich to you.

            1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

              You know it's bad when their very names go Godwin.

        2. Fatty Bolger   14 years ago

          First resort, last resort, it's pretty much every resort for these guys.

          1. Jon Schaffer`s Right Hand   14 years ago

            I just had a brilliant idea! What if we tried to use government spending....to jumpstart the economy!

            *slow clap begins*

        3. Realist   14 years ago

          Sounds like hatred of midgets to me.

    2. Joe M   14 years ago

      Never mind that every dollar the government spends must be first removed from the economy.

      Now hold on, that's not perfectly true. Deficit spending allows the government to simply devalue currency instead of having to go through the tedious process of removing it via direct taxes.

      1. kilroy   14 years ago

        How about this then:

        Never mind that every dollar unit of value the government spends must be first removed from the economy.

        In printing more 'dollars' they make the unit of value that each dollar represents smaller, which is removing it from the economy.

        1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          Debasing the coinage is a rich tradition, practiced by many governments before us.

  3. Hugh Akston   14 years ago

    I remember reading vanden Heuvel's name on this blog before. I don't remember in what context. I do remember thinking that she was like retarded or something.

    1. heller   14 years ago

      She was on Spitzer's show with Nick.

    2. Episiarch   14 years ago

      "Like" retarded?!?

      I'm just surprised she doesn't look more like Corky from Life Goes On, though I suppose Chris Burke is higher-functioning than she is, so that might explain it.

      1. BakedPenguin   14 years ago

        "...some of these retards are extremely clever..."

        1. Episiarch   14 years ago

          Jerri: Mr. Noblet wants me to snitch on a friend.

          Jellineck: Snitching doesn't seem like you, Jerri.

          Jerri: Oh, it's not what you think. It's not like snitching on a real person. She's--

          Jellineck: Gay?

          Jerri: Retarded.

          Jellineck: Yes, most of them are.

          Jerri: Most who are what?

          Jellineck: Most gay people are retarded.

          Jerri: Does that mean Kimberly Timbers is gay?

          Jellineck: I don't know. Hey! Make a pass at her and find out. She'd have to be retarded to turn you down!

          1. Little Jerry Seinfeld   14 years ago

            Man, that is hilarious!

      2. Gojira (formerly Jim)   14 years ago

        I'd still do her. Just bein' honest. I wouldn't talk to her the next day or anything.

        1. Almanian   14 years ago

          HEY! It's a well-established fact round these parts that van den Heuvel is MINE!

          Back off, or prepare to fight for her, Goj...

          1. Gojira   14 years ago

            So you wouldn't be open to some sort of time-share system?

            Even if it was at the same time, I've been reliably informed that as long as they don't touch at any point, it's not homo.

            Sheesh, with comments like mine, it's no wonder we don't attract more womyn/gays/whatever.

            1. Mr. FIFY   14 years ago

              That tears it.

              Tuesday, I'm going down to my bank, and put my home up for a $1.4 trillion loan.

              Obviously, if we ALL did that, we'd be fartin' through silk within minutes!

              Oh, wait... I can't do that? Because I'm not a Congressman? Well, just fuck.

  4. heller   14 years ago

    Stooooooooooooooooooooooopid

    1. hellee   14 years ago

      And I KNOW stupid!

      1. Paulie Krugnuts   14 years ago

        I could use another assistant... send me your resume and a blank check.

  5. O2   14 years ago

    katrina's waay cuter than peter or the jacket

    1. heller   14 years ago

      Maybe 30 years ago...

    2. BakedPenguin   14 years ago

      Reason now has Emily Ekins and Michelle Fields. ?BERPWND!

      1. Gus   14 years ago

        Those two need to be filmed making out and then post the vids to YouTube.

        1. Almanian   14 years ago

          Hey, thanks for the afternoon wood!

        2. Colin   14 years ago

          That would bring a whole new wave of libertarians to the movement.

          1. Little Jerry Seinfeld   14 years ago

            Libertarianism needs more horny adolescent males (and lesbians).

      2. Warty   14 years ago

        The first site that comes up when you google Emily links to Dondero. EEEEEEEEEEKIIIIIIIIIIIIINS

        1. Almanian   14 years ago

          pwned

      3. Joe M   14 years ago

        BWND

    3. Mr. FIFY   14 years ago

      And she's way richer, stOOpid.

      And yet, she *hasn't* given away all her wealth, which would prove her fealty to her twisted religious beliefs.

  6. Pip   14 years ago

    I miss the old days and their carcase meats.

  7. Koan   14 years ago

    If only these people could inflict teh stupid on their own kind and leave the rest of us alone. Perhaps, just maybe we could secede or form our own confederacy or something . . . oh, shit, that's right! That would only make Obama the New Lincoln.

  8. AlmightyJB   14 years ago

    "On Twitter, Nation editor Katrina vanden Heuvel offers..."

    Do you really need to read any further?

  9. Almanian   14 years ago

    *sigh*

    Katrina vdH remains dreamy...my love for her unrequited...

    *siiiiiiiiiiiiigh*

    What were we talking about?

  10. gaijin   14 years ago

    Someone needs to let Katrina know that to be a left-wing intellectual she needs to have a brain...and use it. Oh wait...

    1. cynical   14 years ago

      No, "intellectual" refers to the capacity to sound very smart to a large percentage of leftists, it shouldn't confused with true intelligence.

    2. MJ   14 years ago

      You'd think a brain would be needed, but having a functional brain disqualifies one from being "left wing".

  11. Tman   14 years ago

    This morning White House Spokesman Pfeiffer was on MSNBC talking about the stupid Debate scheduling issue and said that in regards to the difference between economic policies of Obama and the Repub candidates thus-

    "Every economic program that has been put forward by every Republican has been tried and failed."

    He said this with a straight face. They aren't even TRYING not to lie about this anymore, they come straight out and say "up is down, white is black, Brittney Spears is a Virgin" and think no one will notice.

    It's just so farking contemptible.

    1. Fatty Bolger   14 years ago

      That kind of goes with what I was wondering - does KVH actually believe we have tried austerity? I know the White House spokesman is full of shit and knows full well that he's lying. But do others earnestly believe we have tried "austerity" or anything even close to it?

  12. Night Elf Mohawk   14 years ago

    Character limit: 140
    Stupid limit: infinite

    1. Colin   14 years ago

      +1

  13. hmm   14 years ago

    I guess when the ideology on which you base all your economic, and subsequent political, beliefs on falls completely apart you might as well step through the looking glass and smoke some hookah with a giant cat.

    Or stupid people know how to tweet too.

  14. Zeb   14 years ago

    As I tried to point out earlier today, the loss of government jobs is a problem of government overspending. If government hadn't hired all of these unnecessary people in the first place, they wouldn't be losing their jobs today (and there is a small chance that they might have done something useful with their lives that might even give other people jobs).

  15. JW   14 years ago

    "How many jobs lives need to be lost before it's crystal, crying out loud, starkly clear that austerity my ideology is discredited, failed"?

    All fixed for ya, Kat.

  16. Pantless Deviant   14 years ago

    Katrina Fuckenwoofer? Why should I give shit-one what that dried-out commie hag has to say, especially on economic matters? Sheesh.

  17. Brandybuck   14 years ago

    We don't have any money because we aren't spending enough! Aaargh! Think of the children!!!!!!11!

  18. mb   14 years ago

    uh, you're surprised by these?

    there seems to be a meme amoung libtards and regressives that austerirty doesn't, has never worked and has benn ''proven'' to not work.

    regardless of any evidence to the contrary.

  19. Jeffersonian   14 years ago

    It's austerity because $4 trillion isn't $8 trillion.

  20. Mr. FIFY   14 years ago

    Anyone remember this bit of lunacy?

    http://www.alternet.org/economy/62507/

    I'm surprised the maximum-wage concept hasn't been touted by Obama and his minions.

  21. Ghost of Keynes   14 years ago

    Yes, yes!!! Feed my ephemeral spectre!!! SPEND, my children!!!!!!

  22. Home Spending Network   14 years ago

    Hey, friends... Professor Krugnuts here, and have I got a deal for you! Just give the IRS ninety cents on every dollar you "own", and watch the Magic Multiplier Effect (tm) as it scrubs your toilet, pays your mortgage, puts prime rib in your freezer, and fills your car up with gas!

    But wait... there's more! Here's my good friend, Robby Reich, to give us the unvarnished truth...

  23. JeremyR   14 years ago

    It's really not unbelievable. Lefties believe in Keynesian economics with all their heart.

    So when more spending doesn't work, clearly the answer is they didn't spend enough, and need to spend more.

    It's not a phony belief, like Global Warming, where if they really really believed it, they would genuinely reduce their carbon footprints, as opposed to simply selling induldges

    1. ##   14 years ago

      More like they half believe in Keynesian economics with all their heart. They firmly believe in the government spending during an economic decline half but the raise taxes and reduce spending to pay off the accumulated debt during the good times part seems to completely escape them.

  24. Realist   14 years ago

    ""How many jobs need to be lost before it's crystal, crying out loud, starkly clear that austerity is discredited, failed"?"
    Nah, we never tried it long enough for the fucking idiots to starve to death.

  25. Tony   14 years ago

    But you can't explain how austerity creates jobs. Nobody can. The idea is nonsensical.

    You don't really care about jobs. You care about your antigovernment agenda.

    1. Jordan   14 years ago

      In Tony's world, every job that has ever existed is thanks to government subsidies.

      1. Tony   14 years ago

        In Jordan's world, we can regain full employment by letting coal factories pollute more.

        1. Mr. FIFY   14 years ago

          Just another excuse to spend, Tony.

    2. ##   14 years ago

      If you didn't live in some fantasy land where government stimulus is spent responsibly and actually achieves it's stated goals then you might understand how letting people and business keep their money to spend as they see fit instead of being siphoned off to political pet projects can create jobs.

  26. James Anderson Merritt   14 years ago

    "No doubt this is largely a rhetorical question, akin to those age-old queries about how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll pop."

    Let's be clear that, in terms of being data-driven, the last several administrations would have emulated the "wise owl." who crunched straight to the chocolatey center of the Tootsie Pop and declared that the number was "three." Much like previous government predictions of program costs that undershot the actual number experienced. The number is whatever the government says it is, until it isn't.

  27. Christina   14 years ago

    I think that she is one of the biggest idiots ever to be given a "voice". There is absolutely no time ever where I've heard what she had to say and it has made the least bit of sense, or was the least bit logical. Whenever she opens her mouth she reveals herself to be a far left-leaning liberal mouth-piece. Nothing more. There is no critical thinking or knowledge in that brain.

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