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Speaking of our book, here are excerpts from a couple of recent blog reviews. First up, Jason T. Kocher:

The book is to some degree Chicken Soup for the Libertarian Soul – a metaphysical construct that has actually been documented, a semi-transparent mass to be sure but a bit more grounded than your average specter…with or without the optional top hat and monocle. […]

My only real complaint about the book is that it lacks any serious, dedicated discussion of cuts to National Defense. While the subject doesn't fit into the citizen-as-consumer narrative that propels the rest of the book, the omission is nonetheless unfortunate as it may very well lead casual readers to discount the rest of the book, believing the authors are just like traditional conservatives, ready to slash social programs, but not the Military-Industrial Complex. The truth – though not obvious in this book – is that the authors have a strong history of arguing for such cuts in their work with Reason and on television appearances.

That said, The Declaration of Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What's Wrong With America was a joy to read for this particular libertarian soul and I suspect other Independents, Democrats, Republicans, and even the apolitical would find something surprising, heart-warming and optimistic within its pages.

Did you know that this was the first cover design they showed us? We were all, TOTALLY

And Josh Harding:

The big question on a book like this:  will it influence others?  I'm doubtful the book will sway partisans from either side of the conservative/liberal dichotomy, not with the authors referring to Iran-Contra as "Ronald Reagan's dress rehearsal for Alzheimer's" and accurately pointing out how President Obama has expanded Bush-era policies.  But partisans are not the target audience.  Independent voters and entrepreneurial citizens are.  For independent voters, this book serves as a good introduction to libertarianism and how the libertarian mindset has some pretty considerable accomplishments under its belt.

Policy wonks already steeped in such things as Chicago or Austrian school economics, marijuana legalization, and other libertarian-leaning causes won't find anything new in the book.  But voters fed up with Washington should find a lot they can cheer about.


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  1. OT: So I am thinking of getting an iRobot vacuum cleaner.

    Any recommendations/reservations?

    1. I had a first generation Roomba. It was really more trouble than it was worth; maybe the new ones are better. They’re about as smart as our trolls here, so be warned.

      1. If I were to design a robot vacuum I’d call it “The Suckubus.”

        1. Hey, that’s what I call your mom!

          1. That’s a bit harsh this early in the thread, dontcha think?

            1. Is it harsh if it’s true?

              Just kidding.

              (not really)

              1. Epi, I’m gonna be up in Seattle in a few weeks. Don’t make me come looking for you.

                But now that I mention it, any places worth going midweek for a few barley pops?

                1. Email me, dude. We’ll get a drink or something.

        2. The Suc-U-Bus was a notoriously unreliable pneumatic high-speed delivery system on the Starship Titanic, so it’s got that going for it as well.

      2. Our roomba went through multiple batteries. It was a good first stage vacuum, but you still had to do it again. Maybe it’s because we had inside dogs at the time.

        1. We had a lot of battery charging problems with the original models, too. They fixed it in later models. Bit we have a housecleaner now, anyway, because we’re libertarians and we really like exploiting laborers while shipping sherry on the veranda.

          1. Where are you shipping it to?

            1. Next I’m going to replace my “smart” phone and its lame spelling correction with an exploited laborer who will type my Hit ‘n’ Run comments for me.

    2. Mrs. Hobbit used the Roomba and Scooba models in her business. They did an adequate job, pretty good on hard surfaces, not nearly as good on carpet. With the short lifetime of the batteries and the high cost of replacements (>$50)she decided it was no longer worth it.

      … Hobbit

    3. I had a Roomba but once I found a snake coiled up under it. I hope that helps.

    4. Look at the way it operates; no use using it in, say, a dining room where you have to move chairs to vacuum under the legs.
      Turn it loose in the bedroom, the bathroom, the hall way, the kitchen. Works great and battery life has to do with charging times. Call Roomba; they’ll give you the info.
      Love it.

  2. This off topic post is for you, John:

    Florida teacher suspended for Facebook entry opposing NY gay-marriage law
    Do teachers in public-school systems have a “special ethics” code that prevents them from publicly speaking on policy issues?

    Lake County Schools in Florida suspended Jerry Buell, a high-school teacher with a reportedly impeccable record for 22 years, for posting his opposition to New York’s new gay-marriage law, and will start termination proceedings against him. …

    US judges rule for teacher who called creationism ‘superstitious nonsense’
    A public high school teacher in California may not be sued for making hostile remarks about religion in his classroom, a federal appeals court ruled on Friday.

    The decision stems from a lawsuit filed by a student charging that the teacher’s hostile remarks about creationism and religious faith violated a First Amendment mandate that the government remain neutral in matters of religion.

    A three-judge panel of the Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled unanimously that the lawsuit against an advanced placement history teacher at Capistrano Valley High School in Mission Viejo must be thrown out of court because the teacher was entitled to immunity….

    1. Being (somewhat) familiar with Lake County, I’m surprised he got fired. Small towns / cities, a fairly so-con area. Their school board is fairly stupid, too, apparently. I just hope none of the board members were former civics teachers.

      1. “Surprised he got suspended with a chance to be fired”

    2. …a student charging that the teacher’s hostile remarks about creationism and religious faith violated a First Amendment mandate that the government remain neutral in matters of religion.

      Less teaching about creationism/faith and more teaching on what is actually in the Constitution would probably have served this dumbass kid a little bit.

      Of course, the problem would be easily solved if we abolished the public school system and allowed people to send their kids to schools that taught a curriculum they agreed with re: creation vs evolution.

      1. So you want to fire all public school teachers before they even have the chance to make a Facebook account much less use it to complain about gay marriage? The Nazis did away with public schools, too. It was the first thing they did.

        1. Yes, I want to fire all public school teachers before they have a chance to do anything. And I hope you were kidding when youmGodwinned the thread.

          My larger point is that the 1A does not mandate that the government stay neutral in matters of religion. It actually states that there shall be no law establishing a religion. The Constitutional ignorance of person filing the lawsuit is striking, and I was saying they ought to spend more time teaching people what is in the Constitution as opposed to religion/creationism.

          1. The second thing the Nazis did was accuse people of kidding them.

            1. [slow clap]

    3. Thanks. And right back at you. The always great William Russel Meade. This is just classic.

      Many liberals want green jobs to exist so badly that they don’t fully grasp how otherworldly and ineffectual this advocacy makes the President look to unemployed meat packers and truck drivers.

      Let me put it this way. A GOP candidate might feel a need to please creationist voters and say a few nice things about intelligent design. That is politics as usual; it gins up the base and drive the opposition insane with fury and rage. No harm, really, and no foul.

      But if that same politician then proposed to base federal health policy on a hunt for the historical Garden of Eden so that we could replace Medicare by feeding old people on fruit from the Tree of Life, he would have gone from quackery-as-usual to raving incompetence. True, the Tree of Life approach polls well in GOP focus groups: no cuts to Medicare benefits, massive tax savings, no death panels, Biblical values on display. Its only flaw is that there won’t be any magic free fruit that lets us live forever, and sooner or later people will notice that and be unhappy.

      Green jobs are the Democratic equivalent of Tree of Life Medicare; they scratch every itch of every important segment of the base and if they actually existed they would be an excellent policy choice. But since they are no more available to solve our jobs problem than the Tree of Life stands ready to make health care affordable, a green jobs policy boils down to a promise to feed the masses on tasty unicorn ribs from the Great Invisible Unicorn Herd that only the greens can see.


      And what makes it even more sad and funny is how shocked smug liberals would be if they realized they are less rational than the worst snake handling fundie.

  3. OT: how are all of our reasonoid brethren from the ‘Burgh doing? Are those floods as bad as they look on the news? Hope you are all OK.

  4. Hey, and while you’re listening to some quality talk radio, why not participate in the Ron Paul Birthday Moneybomb?

    My dream of becoming a spambot is coming true at last!

    1. Haha. I never thought about a money bomb that way before.

    2. I just made my first, and probably only, political donation.

    3. You got it. Or, more properly, he’s got it.

  5. I’m still nursing my toddler…..le2090273/

    1. The Lordlings of the Eyrie deserve no less.

  6. So, Gawker has been ranking the 50 states, as I pointed out yesterday. Well, the funny thing is, every state’s description has been getting big play is the relative treatment/lifestyle of gay people there. This is because the descriptions are being written by a gay man, Richard Lawson. However, some people on Gawker have been pointing it out, saying basically, “Hey, gay rights are very important, but they shouldn’t be the only thing.” Every single comment like that has been followed by Richard Lawson flipping a fucking shit on that person.

    It is actually quite amusing.

    1. If I was reviewing each state, there would probably be a description of alcohol laws and craft brewer density in the state.

      And some might say “Hey beer is very important, but that shouldnt be the only thing.” And they would be right. But I might mock them too.

      1. Yes, but a large percentage of the population drinks beer. A minority of the population is homosexual.

        1. Yes, but what about homesexual vs craft beer drinkers?

          That one would be much closer.

          [insert Venn diagram joke here]

          1. Yeah *insert Standard Libertarian Disclaimer here* but the lack of universal legal gay marriage is not something that makes me seethe with rage the way the remaining 2nd Amendment violations, the destruction of 4th Amendment protections, the erosion of 1st Amendment guarantees, the continuing fiscal insanity, every single war on a noun, every single undeclared war the country is fighting, etc do.

          2. I would rank the states based on how stupidly they’re shaped. I mean, a panhandle? Come on.

            1. panhandle

              I’m surprised Rick Perry isn’t the governor of that state.

              1. Texas has a panhandle.

                1. Yep. And its the biggest panhandle there is, too.

        2. Let me paraphrase Au H20:

          Yes, but a large percentage of the population sucks on a beer occasionally. A minority of the population sucks on a…, Oh, wait. never mind.

        3. “Yes, but a large percentage of the population drinks beer. A minority of the population is homosexual.”

          Bet there’s more gays than libertarians.

          1. But, what about gay libertarians?

          2. Or should that be libertarian gays? I’m bad with hierarchy.

            1. libertarian is a verb!!!

              or an adjective….

              Or something.

  7. Sloopyinca,
    You asked about a place for a beer in SF.
    Try Tommy’s Joint, Van Ness/Geary. Parking isn’t bad, good beers, good and cheap (for SF) food.
    That freshly-sliced roast beef makes a wonderful sandwich.

    1. I’ll hit it up next trip up there, which should be pretty soon. Last trip, I went to Sons and Daughters, which was pretty good, but I expected a bit better service for the $$$. I also went to a new place called Jasper’s Corner Tap and Kitchen. They had just opened that week and really went out of their way, so I’m sure I’ll go back…especially for their “J Burger” and their decent beer selection.

  8. Dude is NOT making a lot of sense dude.

    1. Were you listening to The Dude’s story?

      1. The Dude abides

        1. Shut the fuck up, whitey.

          1. The injun is not the issue here.

            1. The injun is the issue here, dude. He’s coming on here, ruining our…and it’s not injun. Native American, please.

              1. Say what you want about eco-primitivism, at least it’s an ethos.

          2. I am the walrus

            1. You’re out of your element, Donny!

  9. Is this thing on?

    [tap tap]


  10. They’ve almost gotten me to break down and buy their book. Their approach seems to be working.

    1. Hold the line! We will win this war if we all hold the line against their relentless campaign.

      1. their relentless campaign

        You should call them “rather” and ask them what kind of phone they use.

        1. I gave in and ordered the book. I fear it’s only a matter of time before I give in and also make another donation to the site.

  11. Any posters here live in NJ? I would think most Libertarians are smart enough to stay the fuck away from NJ. I do not have a choice though.

    1. A libertarian without a choice. Tell your story, brother.

      1. I am in the military (you know, one of the legitimate functions of government) stationed in NJ.

      2. And yes, I know I have a choice on whether or not to be in the military. I was being facetious. I just would have chosen a better duty station if I had the choice.

        1. We military/veteran libertarians are definitely the fascists in the movement. J/K

    2. I’m a libertarian, and I have good memories of New Jersey.

      1. You obviously never tried to but a gun, start a business, or turn left.

        1. *buy

        2. All fifty states in the Union have their pros and cons. In New Jersey, buying a gun might be a Kafkaesque nightmare (thou my daddy manged just fine), but finding a good restaurant is a walk in the park.


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