Israel

Breivik and the Anti-Zionist Smear

The Norway terrorist was no friend of Israel

|

In the aftermath of Anders Breivik's terrorist rampage in Norway, a "blame the Jews" theme has emerged: assertions that Breivik was driven by fanatical devotion to Israel. Mostly, complaints about the media's failure to identify Breivik as a Zionist zealot have been confined to fringe blogs on the left and the right—but they have also cropped up in more mainstream venues, such as the blog of prominent pundit Andrew Sullivan. Daily Beast columnist Michelle Goldberg has pointed to the Oslo killer as evidence of a convergence between right-wing Zionism and European fascism, united by hatred against Muslims.

The recent phenomenon of far-right nationalists latching on to Jewish and Zionist causes in presumed anti-Muslim solidarity is real and troubling (especially given some of these nationalist groups' anti-Semitic roots). But the trope of Breivik as a Zionist soldier is a smear—a gross distortion that plays into the campaign to delegitimize and vilify Israel.

The apparent proof of Breivik's alleged Zionist obsession is that his 1,500-page manifesto, "A European Declaration of Independence," has 359 mentions of Israel and 324 mentions of Jews. That sounds like a lot until you realize the "declaration" is just under 780,000 words.

The document, which Breivik distributed online just before his killing spree, covers many subjects, including the evil of women's liberation (there are 200 references to feminism and feminists). But it has one central focus: Islam and the Muslim menace. The words "Islam," "Islamic" and "Islamist" combined appear 3,360 times; the word "Muslim," 3,632 times.

Virtually all of Breivik's other ideas stem from this obsession: Feminism is bad because it saps Western civilization's (and its men's) ability to resist Islam; Israel is good because it is an ally in this struggle.

Moreover, Breivik's "Zionism" coexists with a virulent brand of selective anti-Semitism—one that sees Jews as likely carriers of cosmopolitan, nontraditional values and targets liberal Jews for special loathing. In his discussion of Nazism, Breivik agrees that most German and European Jews in the 1930s were "disloyal"—"similar to the liberal Jews today." Hitler's error, he believes, was to lump the "good" Jews with the "bad," instead of rewarding the former with a Jewish homeland in a Muslim-free Palestine.

As for the present, Breivik estimates that about three-quarters of European and American Jews, and about half of Israeli Jews, "support multiculturalism"; he urges fellow nationalists to "embrace the remaining loyal Jews as brothers rather than repeating the mistake of" the Nazis. What to do with today's "disloyal" Jews, he does not say.

Anti-Defamation League director Abraham H. Foxman has written that Breivik's professed pro-Zionism is a reminder to "be wary of those whose love for the Jewish people is born out of hatred of Muslims or Arabs."

There's no shortage of such false friends these days. In England, the once-rabidly anti-Jewish British National Party, led by an unrepentant Holocaust denier, has recast itself in an anti-Muslim, Zionist-friendly image. The English Defense League, whose "protests" include such tactics as yelling "Muslim scum" at women in headscarves and invading Asian-owned shops, has also taken part in pro-Zionist demonstrations. (England's premier Jewish group, the Board of Jewish Deputies, has firmly rejected such "support.") Ironically, the EDL's main American champion, Muslim-baiting blogger Pamela Geller, has recently voiced alarm over the growth of anti-Semitism in the group's ranks.

Meanwhile, in the anti-Israel camp, quite a few would gladly tar all Zionist views with anti-Muslim hate. Loonwatch.com, a website that focuses on exposing Islamophobia—and has run intelligent, well-argued rebuttals of extreme anti-Islam propaganda—has also posted items that portray such extremism as virtually part and parcel of Zionism.

Sometimes, such links are concocted. Last October, England's Jewish Chronicle ran an Internet poll on whether rabbis should work with the EDL. (The answer was a resounding no.) Anti-Zionist blogger Terry Greenstein and York Palestine Solidarity Campaign Chairman Terry Gallogly were caught bragging online about trying to rig the poll for the EDL in order to embarrass the Zionists.

Yes, some Zionists have made statements about Muslims that amount to bigotry, or at least to offensive generalizations. Disturbingly, comments defending Breivik's views have cropped up on Israeli online forums. Such ugly sentiments may be explained in the context of ethnic and religious tensions in Israel, but they cannot be condoned—any more than anti-Semitism among Arabs and Muslims can be excused by resentment of Israeli policies.

Therein lies the rub: Talk of Zionism and Islamophobia inevitably raises the specter of the far more violent, vastly more rampant Jew-bashing rhetoric in the much of the Arab and Muslim media today.

Unfortunately, not many prominent Muslims have condemned this hate speech. Moreover, some Western leftists have excused Muslim anti-Semitism as a reaction to Israeli treatment of the Palestinians. A few years ago, the British Muslim Council boycotted commemorations of the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz because the ceremony did not include a tribute to victims of Israeli "genocide." American left-wing blogger and columnist Eric Alterman opined that it was "morally idiotic" to expect Arabs to honor Jewish suffering "while Jews, in the form of Israel and its supporters—and in this I include myself—are causing much of theirs." Actually, what's "morally idiotic" is to make excuses for racial and religious hatred.

Israel's supporters should avoid dubious alliances that deepen Jewish-Muslim polarization. Critics of anti-Muslim bigotry should clean house. 

Cathy Young writes a weekly column for RealClearPolitics and is also a contributing editor at Reason magazine. A version of this article originally appeared at RealClearPolitics.

NEXT: Reason Writers on Freedom Watch: Matt Welch Talks About Obama and Wall Street

Editor's Note: We invite comments and request that they be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of Reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment for any reason at any time. Report abuses.

  1. Is that a picture of David Duchovny with bleached hair?

    1. David Duchovny doesn’t have that good of a head shot.

      1. Head shot….? TERRORIST!

    2. Apparently this is the checklist for a murderous rampage:

      – Fertilizer bomb
      – Guns
      – Ammo
      – Fake police-like uniform
      – Glamour shots for media

      1. EVERY Ron Paul supporter has that checklist.

        Because we said so.

        1. We say so, too… and everything we say is the truth.

    3. I’m just feeling a little sorry for the girl whose stock photo is being used to illustrate a homeopathic ADHD remedy. Reminds me of the stock photo of a boy looking coyly thru a doorway being used as a magazine illustr’n for an article about child sexual abuse.

    4. Oh yeah! Breivik! I’d forgotten all about him, what with all the Matt Damon and Kelly Thomas hysteria.

      Kelly Thomas. You know, the guy who…never mind.

  2. Let me get this out of the way early for everybody: JOOS!

    Proceed with the usual accusations as scheduled.

  3. it cant be the JOOS when everyone knows the gun [NUTZ] here in amerikkka were the enablers.

  4. Joooooooooos!

    1. Eat it, spoofer.

      It was the Tea Party’s fault.

        1. Read the first comment by someone calling themselves “KimWSSmith”.

          You won’t need to read any further comments.

          1. Well, I was wrong:

            These stupids Israeel lovers write and think that they gonna get postive remarks and sympathies. But wht they are really getting a shit. They do not have sympathy over other people and kills even kids. Takeout the statistics of deaths of Palestenins before 9/11. These ugly jews are destroying the whole world economy and making people dependant on the new terms they invents almost daily. I think to Pure planet from jewish desease we should start concentration camps again.

            Jahanzaib Dilawer on August 3, 2011 at 2:09 am

            Yikes. Just yikes.

            1. He sounds like a silica spade.

              1. Is that a technical term for “stupid fuck”?

                1. It’s anomalous stupidly trying to come up with a clever take on sand n!gger, and failing.

              2. I can’t even parody this stuff anymore!

                1. Wow, that one flew right over my noggin.

                  Must be because it was a weak-ass troll attempt.

  5. The irony is that Islam has a cure for feminism.

    1. NOW is still concentrating on its real enemy — the Tea Party

    1. Supposedly this time the white extremist left a manifesto demanding more access to pic-a-nic baskets, honey subsidies, and an endless rant on the tyranny of Park Rangers.

    2. Police are investigating the attack, which occurred early Friday.
      ….presumeably to determine if the bear acted alone, or was aided by other extremists (for example, did the bear download attack instructions from the internet or upload them for other copycatsbears to learn from?)

    3. He only killed a Brit! They’re not really human.

      1. Now that crosses a line, fish.

  6. …the campaign to delegitimize and vilify Israel.

    You say that as if Israel was legitimate and unvillainous.

    1. I second that emotion…

    2. Remember the old Israel/Palestine threads that would just become endless pits of TEAM ISRAEL TEAM PALESTINE back and forth?

      Well, you’re fucking making it happen!

      1. Science H Logic, as if you were not the one who initiated the Pizza Wars. TEAM THIN TEAM THICK back and forth?

        Of course, to be fair, those thick lovers had it coming.

        1. It wasn’t me who started it, it was ProL, by committing the blasphemy of even calling that Chicago garbage “pizza”. I merely called him on it, as I was duty bound to do; as were we all.

          1. A greatful commentariat thanks you.

            *continues peeing on deep dish “pizza”*

          2. Sorry, didn’t mean to hang Pizzamageddon on you incorrectly.

            Still, isn’t thin, crispy pizza crust a TEAM worth being on? I mean, speaking strictly for myself, I don’t care if those fuckers want to reduce government or not, they are simply wrong, wrong, wrong. I am not sure if a pogrom is in order, but I am considering the possibility.

            1. I will personally crush ProL, drive his fellow deep dishers before me, and hear the lamentations of their women, if they have any. And that will be good.

              1. Yes, thin is the way pizza was meant to be.

              2. Hypothetically, if you were to give ProL and his kind the crushing they deserved, you would automatically be a member of TEAM THIN. From that point forward, everything you say will be viewed within the prism of “but he likes the thin crust”.

                You favor cutting spending in the Dept of Ag? It is because they subsidize thick crust. Support abortion? All because you know that the sluts will eat anything, including thick crust. Support leaving Afghanistan? All because Archer Daniels Midland is going to start farming “thin crust flour” in Warizistan.

                So, will you embrace TEAM membership or will you suck the shit they call “thick crust pizza” to remain “against the man” or something, something.

                1. At least it isn’t “PC vs. Mac.” Those can get…acrimonious.

                  1. What about us??

        2. WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST PEOPLE WHO LIKE ‘EM THICK?

          What, you meant pizza? Never mind, carry on.

      2. Big Ender.

    3. No more or less so than any other developed nation.

    4. Hey, modern day jooos have a right to that land – it’s documented in teh bibble that their great great great great great great great [….] grandparents used to live there! Yahweh himself said they’d get it back!

    5. yes, that devastatingly effective campaign to vilify israel. remember when those aid workers got shot just for trying to bring food to those israelis starving from the palestinian blockade? and how thoroughly it was covered in us media? andrew sullvian, michelle goldberg, eric alterman(?) = campaign. rest of US media, 17 standing ovations for netanyahu in his (perfectly sane) speech to congress = irrelevant

    6. Seems that Warren has a point. And what’s this nonsense about giving “hate manufacturer” Abe F a legitimate say in the matter?

  7. American left-wing blogger and columnist Eric Alterman opined that it was “morally idiotic” to expect Arabs to honor Jewish suffering “while Jews, in the form of Israel and its supporters?and in this I include myself?are causing much of theirs.” Actually, what’s “morally idiotic” is to make excuses for racial and religious hatred.

    Eric Alterman and the Politics of Anti-Semitism

    1. You know that guy made some truly salient points….until I started to tick off the names that contributed to the situation the US finds itself in,

      Pearle
      Wolfowitz
      Kristol
      Greenspan
      Greenberg
      Kissinger
      Paulson
      Bernanke
      Geithner
      Blankfein
      Goldman
      Chertoff

      1. Bush
        Cheney
        Rumsfeld
        Powell
        Rice
        Baker

        1. He was listing people with real power, not figureheads like your list.

          1. Circular thinking much?

            1. +1 to I Heart Capitalism

  8. The “Eurabia is coming” crowd see themselves as demographically threatened by Muslims and fear a time when “real” Europeans are a dwindling minority isolated among raging jihadist hordes, and advocate various schemes including race-based and religion-based immigration restrictions, the “un-stating” of “dangerous” Muslims, and the erection of a massive security state.

    Since that’s pretty much how the Israeli right sees itself, too, it’s natural that they’d claim to be Israel’s allies.

    1. If these ethno-socialists all look alike to me, am I a racist?

    2. Fluffy, look at how Decolonialist views descendants of Europeans that immigrated to non-European lands. Do you consider Decolonialism racist, or are some races more equal than others?

      We have to balance the right of people to immigrate with the right of people to maintain their nations. In my view, the fairest way to do this is to allow immigration equal to 0.5% of a nation’s population per year and enforce immigration laws. Respect for a nation’s constitution also helps preserve a nation without being biased against outsiders.

    3. At the end of the day, the immigration policies of European nations towards citizens of Arab nations are much more generous than the immigration policies of Arab nations toward citizens of European nations. All nations are equal. Why isn’t anyone complaining about the anti-immigrant views in Arab nations?

      1. Because white people are evil, the rest of the worlds are victims of white people. That means only white people have to play by rules and are racists when they expect non-whites to play be the same rules.

      2. Because white people are evil, the rest of the worlds are victims of white people. That means only white people have to play by rules and are racists when they expect non-whites to play be the same rules.

  9. The Abramic religion of worshipping some naked Nazarene was brought to Europe at the point of a Roman sword. Even after the fall of the Roman Empire, the kings and rulers of Europe preferred chrisianity over the native European religion because christianity gave “divine right” to their political power. Contrast this to the pre-christian, Nordic practice of electing their kings and one might see why the practice of christianity was violently enforced upon the people from above while never really gaining a strong hold among hearts and minds of the peasantry or the freemen.

    Today, Social Democracy is seen as the antidote for the autocratic tendancies of the church and the so-called “power elite.” But it, too, is failing.

    Immigration from the arab world is allowed largely because Europeans recoil at the sight of oppression and autocracy stemming from another Abrahamic religion: islam. We want to offer them freedom and a better life. But in some ways, we are misguided. Many, many of the immigrants do not come to our lands for freedom. They come to take advantage of our prosperity and to spread their religion. Just like the peddlars of christianity, the pushers of islam seek to ingratiate themselves to our leaders and establish their religion using the instrumentalities of government, bypassing the will of the people entirely.

    Remeber, there is no freedom of speech in Europe like their is in America. “Hate Speech” is a crime. Speaking out to alert your countrymen of the danger of islam might earn you a prison term.

    Libertarians who care about individual freedom must point out that this tradegy could have been avoided by relaxing hate speech laws, not by tightening them. After all, Breivik’s ideas made him a criminal either way. He thought, “why not just go all the way?” Debating if he was sincere or not regarding Israel is a canard and a pointless distraction.

    1. Remeber, there is no freedom of speech in Europe like their is in America. “Hate Speech” is a crime. Speaking out to alert your countrymen of the danger of islam might earn you a prison term.

      Libertarians who care about individual freedom must point out that this tradegy could have been avoided by relaxing hate speech laws, not by tightening them. After all, Breivik’s ideas made him a criminal either way. He thought, “why not just go all the way?”

      Your point is interesting and has some validity. Free speech is important for letting people blow off steam and also allowing others to debate a potentially violent person with words so that he turns away from his plans.

    2. “The Abramic religion of worshipping some naked Nazarene was brought to Europe at the point of a Roman sword. Even after the fall of the Roman Empire, the kings and rulers of Europe preferred chrisianity over the native European religion because christianity gave “divine right” to their political power.”

      Which history text did you get this bullshit out of? The Divine Right of kings is a B.C. idea practiced in Europe long before Rome. The Goths who elected their Kings had to elect one from one or two families who traced their lineage back to Odin (Wotan).

      As for the Nordics, they where a noted exception. Their Kings where typically more akin to Village Chiefs. First among equals. Typically the advanced the civilization the greater the power vested in the King. Politically the Nordics were fractured.

      The spread of Christianity through most of Europe was not at the point of a sword, the Roman empire allowed the older religions to remain, with some brief exceptions, even after Constantine. The Germans adopted Christianity more often than not by choice. Episodes like Charlemagne’s persecution of the Pagan Saxons were the exception, not the rule.

      The divine right of kings was for some cultures a down grade in authority. The Roman emperors _were_ Gods. The post conversion emperors were no longer Gods they had God’s blessing. Last I heard working for a God does not rock as much as BEING a God.

      1. Source of my hisory? Uppsala University, Sweden. http://www.uu.se/en/

        A great deal closer to the source than your American public school, I think. Or perhaps you are product of a religious school?

        The first undisputed king of Sweden was Eric the Victorious, who lived around 970?994. He was succeeded by King Olof Sk?tkonung (late 960s ? circa 1020), the first Christian king of Sweden. Under the rule of King Olaf, practicing the “Old Ways” was a crime punishable by death.

        Here’s a copy of the text of civil and canon law from the period: The disappearance of the v?lur was due to the Roman Catholic Church, which along with civil governments had laws enacted against them, as in this Anglo-Saxon Canon law:

        “If any wicca (witch), wiglaer (wizard), false swearer, morthwyrtha (worshipper of the dead) or any foul contaminated, manifest horcwenan (whore), be anywhere in the land, man shall drive them out.”

        “We teach that every priest shall extinguish heathendom and forbid wilweorthunga (fountain worship), licwiglunga (incantations of the dead), hwata (omens), galdra (magic), man worship and the abominations that men exercise in various sorts of witchcraft, and in frithspottum (peace-enclosures) with elms and other trees, and with stones, and with many phantoms.” (source: 16th Canon law enacted 10th century.)

        Or one might consider the case of those murdered under the reign of King Olof of Norway: Olaf routinely used violence, torture or death to attempt to force conversions. Several instances of Olaf’s attempts lead to days of remembrance amongst modern heathens similar manner to feast days of martyred Christian saints. Raud the Strong (remembered January 9) refused to convert and, after a failed attempt using a wooden pin to pry open his mouth to insert a snake, was killed by a snake goaded by a hot poker through a drinking horn into Raud’s mouth and down his throat. Eyvind Kinnrifi (February 9) likewise refused and was killed by a brazier of hot coals resting on his belly.
        ———————–
        Your claim that the pre-christian nobility traced their roots to Odin is also false. The only source that supports this claim is the preface to the Prose Edda, written by Snorri, a christian apologist who claimed the Old Gods were long-forgotten ancestors of the historical kings. He claimed to have traced their journey to Scandinavia from ancient Troy(!). The Nazis of the 20th century seized upon Snorri’s “histories” to bolster their theories of the “master race” which led them on hundreds of failed archeological expeditions. These expiditions did nothing but prove Snorri’s theories false. No modern scholar trusts Snorri’s texts to be accurate.

  10. I think I’m gonna write a script to replace every example of the word ‘jews’ and all the variations with the word ‘bunnies’. At least then, reading about how bunnies committ genocide and should be driven from the earth because of the blood libel and their control of the world banking system will be amusing instead of incredibly tiresome.

    1. Carrotnacht was horrible.

  11. Reason and facts, sadly, don’t make headway with the anti-semitic committed. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t keep presenting them. There are uninformed people out there who mostly don’t mean any harm, and they can be reached.

  12. I support israel…TODAY…now that 70 years later they are there.

    However, it’s creation should be criticized. We’ve had nothing but problems since we dropped a bunch of Germans amongst a bunch of savages.

    In fact, if you consider all the WARS america has been involved since the creation of Israel, I’d argue that we, Americans, paid a bigger price.

    Now, there’s nothing you can do about it. Several generations have been born there and that’s the only country they know…and they have a right to it.

    However, this is why many people consider zionist (AND not ALL JEWS) a bunch of weasels and NO BETTER than the crazy Muslims and Christians

    1. Alice,

      Who is the “we”?

      Jews have been moving to Israel for centuries. The Ottoman Empire welcomed Jews fleeing the Spanish Inquisition. Some of those Jews settled in Safed, Israel. Followers of the Vilna Gaon moved to Israel around 1800. Large scale migration from Russia to Israel started in the late 19th Century. Half of the ancestors today’s Israeli Jews come from Arab nations that expelled them in the mid-20th Century. The German Jewish population contributed very little to Israel’s population, because the vast majority of German Jews felt safe enough in Germany to not leave until it was too late to leave.

  13. The recent phenomenon of far-right nationalists latching on to Jewish and Zionist causes…

    Can anybody explain why the “Jewish and Zionist cause” is not itself “nationalist”? Why the Jewish and Zionist cause is not itself “far-right”?

    I’ve never understood why Jewish nationalism can be good when all other nationalism’s are considered evil.

    1. I’ve never understood why Jewish nationalism can be good when all other nationalism’s are considered evil.

      The same reason you can criticize Saddam Hussein for gassing Kurdish children without being anti-Islam, but if you register your disapproval of Israel incinerating civilian residences in Gaza and then refusing to allow drywall and styrofoam in, you’re an anti-Semite.

      1. Saddam didn’t gas the Kurds in the name of Islam. Oh, and I agree with your point, I just think that the former is a non sequitur.

    2. Because a lot of American Jews use Israel as a convenient substitute for a religion they no longer wish to practice (or to practice as rigorously as they secretly feel they should) but don’t have the stones to admit they’ve abandoned.

      1. True. It’s also a convenient way to get yourself jobs in politically correct bureaucracies. I love how many atheist Polacks claim to be ‘Jews’ just so they can get a job on that credential.

    3. The 19th Century push for an independent state of Israel was inspired by the other nations that broke away from the Ottoman Empire at the time, such as Greece and Serbia. If Syria, Jordan, and Greece could stop being colonies of Turkey or the UK, why not Israel?

    4. I’ve never understood why Jewish nationalism can be good when all other nationalism’s are considered evil.

      Nah. It’s only evil when white people do it. That’s why you can have a chapter of La Raza on the campus of virtually every major American university, and it’s “Problem? What problem? That’s only a few radicals that don’t represent the mainstream”, but an organization of a few hundred white people promoting the interests of whites is the second coming of the Nazis.

  14. It is mostly clear that ABB’s ideology is a porridge of all that was convenient to his worldview, even if it involved historical incoherences like posing as simultaneously a Templar, a white supremacist and an Israel supporter. He might not be clinically crazy but his ideas are just not even internally coherent. In that sense, I dont care if he says he supports Israel, and wouldnt care either if he said the opposite. I cannot take him seriously as an ideologue; which I can of others with similar positions.

    But I care about what the Israeli media and blogs (or their commenters) posted when they knew of ABB’s Islamophobia. If you think it’s scary that the European extreme right, which is not the mainstream, wants to be or claims to be pro-Israel on account of the perceived common enemy; how much scarier it is that mainstream Israelis see all European Islamophobes as friends, *even an Islamophobe who just did a mass shooting of unarmed youngsters*.

    ABB is no better than, say, Cho Seung Hui. Publishing a manifesto doesnt make him any more respectable. And even if you agree in principle with his ideas (and granting that Israel is under threat from Islam), endorsing his *actions* is on another level. That is what bothers of his having so many Israeli fans, that they endorse a Cho with a manifesto.

  15. As for the present, Breivik estimates that about three-quarters of European and American Jews, and about half of Israeli Jews, “support multiculturalism”

    And what do you say, Cathy Young? Is he correct in that assessment? Or do you think it wrong of him to even mention the matter?

    1. Jews are an Official Victim Group, and the Beltway Libertardians dare not point out the obvious fact that such things are true, and obviously true. For every Rothbard or Mises there are 1,000 scumbags like Irving Kristol.

  16. “In the aftermath of Anders Breivik’s terrorist rampage in Norway, a “blame the Jews” theme has emerged”

    No, it really hasn’t. Stop lying.

  17. American left-wing blogger and columnist Eric Alterman opined that it was “morally idiotic” to expect Arabs to honor Jewish suffering “while Jews, in the form of Israel and its supporters?and in this I include myself?are causing much of theirs.” Actually, what’s “morally idiotic” is to make excuses for racial and religious hatred.

    I’m curious Cathy, are you also prepared to denounce as hateful bigotry, say, the Estonian government’s taking down of the Bronze Soldier of Talinn, which commemorated the sacrifice of Soviet troops fighting against the Nazis?

    It’s not hate or bigotry to refuse to pay your respects to someone who harmed you at their funeral, even if their death was otherwise tragic.

  18. Breivik is a fascist mass-murderer who deserves no sympathy nor leniency from the Norwegian justice system. I understand that Norway does not have capital punishment, but I hope he at least gets life in prison without parole in Norway’s version of a maximum security total lockdown prison.

    1. Norwegian prisons are much nicer than UK hotels.

      Four out of five stars.

      1. Is that their only prison or do they have some that are less luxurious than that?

    2. The Norwegian police are criminals and terrorists on a far grander scale, dumbass.

      1. Bullshit! Cite what you are talking about or shut the fuck up. I suppose you are an anarchist who considers the mere existence of any government a greater crime than mass murder.

        Of course even if that were true, it would not mean that Breivik should get away with this.

        1. No, he’s just a neo-Nazi who’s anti-government because he thinks they’re run by TEH JOOZ. These assholes always come out of the woodwork when reason has a story about Jews.

          1. I’m not a NeoNazi you fucktard. I’m not even white.

            1. I’m not a NeoNazi you fucktard.

              Perhaps not, but you are not exactly working hard to avoid looking like one. In addition to adopting complaining about jews and adopting a handle synonymous with a pro-nazi regime, your blog contains some revealing posts. That includes this one in which you appovingly cite Adolf Hitler’s views on parlimentary democracy:

              http://thismachinekillscommuni…..st-he.html

              If you are going to gush about the “interesting and insightful” things Hitler had to say without distancing yourself from him or the NSDAP, people are going to wonder.

              1. “Perhaps not, but you are not exactly working hard to avoid looking like one.”
                Why is it Gary North can quote Marx and no one calls him a ‘NeoStalinist’? Don’t be a fucking retard and perpetuate the delusional WW2 liberal myth of GOOD AND EVIL. Nazis are faggots and so are Democrats, and Democrats are more dangerous because they have more money. Fuck ’em all with a sword.

                “In addition to adopting complaining about jews”
                Oh, that’s not allowed? Maybe if 90% of them weren’t entitled, left-wing whiners then so many people wouldn’t dislike them?

                “and adopting a handle synonymous with a pro-nazi regime”
                Or any regime that doesn’t take shit from Bolshies.

                “your blog contains some revealing posts. That includes this one in which you appovingly cite Adolf Hitler’s views on parlimentary democracy”
                See above.

                “If you are going to gush about the “interesting and insightful” things Hitler had to say without distancing yourself from him or the NSDAP, people are going to wonder.”
                I don’t give a shit what you Connecticut cock suckers ‘wonder’. Go back to blowing Badnarik.

                1. Don’t be a fucking retard and perpetuate the delusional WW2 liberal myth of GOOD AND EVIL. Nazis are faggots and so are Democrats, and Democrats are more dangerous because they have more money. Fuck ’em all with a sword.

                  You’re a complete idiot if you think democrats are more dangerous than the Nazi regime was. Democrats are neither imposing a totalitarian system on much of the world nor perpetrating genocide. The fight against the Axis Powers was a heroic struggle for human freedom, and the world would have been a much more horrible place had the Allies lost.

                  1. The American Democrats caused WW2, you stupid shit. You obviously can’t think beyond stage 1.

                    1. The American Democrats caused WW2, you stupid shit. You obviously can’t think beyond stage 1.

                      Wrong, bitch! Where did you learn history? The YouTube comment thread below an Alex Jones video?

                      The aggressors in WW2 were the Axis Powers. The Nazis started it in Europe by attacking Poland (thus drawing in Poland’s allies: the UK and France). The Japanese military regime started it in Asia by invading China. Everywhere these aggressive powers went, they perpetrated brutal human rights violations and imposed repressive anti-freedom policies.

                      The US didn’t get involved until a few years after it started. When US involvement started, it was with aid to the UK and then an embargo on Japan. The Japanese government responded to the embargo by launching an attack on the US at Pearl Harbor – thus bringing the US into the conflict militarily.

                      I don’t know what number “stage” you are thinking up to, or what kind of imaginary history you subscribe to, but American Democrats clearly did not cause WW2.

            2. You’re a neo-Nazi in the same sense that someone who buys into many of Marx’s ideas without agreeing with the teleological component is a neo-Marxist. You hate Jews and black people, and think Hitler was a victim who made some good points in MK. Not being white just makes you a particularly sad kind of neo-Nazi.

          2. And you’re no capitalist if you can’t see that cops are all gangster scumbags.

        2. Yeah, I am an ‘anarchist’ because I’m not a fucking retard. Police are a domestic occupation army, you cunt. If you’re too stupid to see that you deserve every boot that stomps on your neck, you subhuman.

          1. The only ‘good’ cop is a dead one.

          2. Why is being a “domestic occupation army” (whatever that means) a crime per se?

            So in the hypothetical anachist society that you would like to create or live in; is there any organization or group that investigates (and arrests suspected perpetrators of) acts such as murder, rape, assult, and child abuse? If so, how is that organization any less of a “domestic occupation army”?

            1. Because they’re not paid by stolen money and they actually represent the victims, you mental midget. All the cops do is fucking harass people and enslave them. They are, prima facie, deserving a beat-down. Just as any cunt who thinks he has a ‘right’ to come into my house does.

              1. Because they’re not paid by stolen money and they actually represent the victims, you mental midget.

                So your objection to cops is mainly that they are “paid by stolen money”? If governments came up with a non-tax method of getting revenue, would you still be categorically opposed to police? Also, in what sense would a vigalante or mercenary group “represent the victim” more than the police? Because the victim hired them? Right now the police don’t investigate anyway unless there is a complainant or a reason to believe the victim can’t report the crime (eg: murder, abuse of a young child, etc). So the police are still acting at the behest of the victim in those cases. (Of course victimless crime laws such as consenting adult drug use and consenting adult prostitution should generally be repealed, but the blame for those rests with the people who pass those laws and support them – not with police in particular).

                All the cops do is fucking harass people and enslave them.

                You’re using that word “enslave” and I don’t think it means what you think it means.

                They are, prima facie, deserving a beat-down. Just as any cunt who thinks he has a ‘right’ to come into my house does.

                So is it your position that an organization investigating a murder/rape/etc should never, under any circumstances, enter a person’s house without the owner’s consent? What if they have probable cause to search for evidence or a suspect is hiding out on his/her property?

                1. Sorry, I don’t speak deluded faggot. Fuck Reason. You Beltway retards deserve to be oppressed.

      2. Why don’t head back in to the basement and and resume your serious study of amateur films the late 20th century involving farm animals and women. Don’t forget the grease.

        1. Why don’t you get back to collecting welfare checks, you government whore.

  19. So stupid for Jews like Cathy Young to declare that pro-Israel maniacs are not really pro-Israel. The logic seems to be: he’s not an anti-semite in word or deed, but he did some horrible shit and he’s anti-immigration so he must be an anti-semite too.

    1. Anyone who thinks Jews aren’t angels is an anti-semite.

      I like what Mencken said, “Anti-semitism: disliking Jews more than is absolutely necessary.”

    2. Embarrassed Jew, around here, we judge people as individuals by their words and actions, not by their group affiliation. You should extend that courtesy to Young. Pointing out that you’re Jewish while attacking Young doesn’t get you any “self-sacrifice” points either.

  20. About 20% of the population of Israel are Moslems and the vast majority of these are loyal citizens of that nation. Lately there is a trend of
    Moslems who are residents of
    East Jerusalem applying for Israeli citizenship.
    Thousands of Moslems from Africa have sought asylum in Israel.
    The notion that Israel is anti-Moslem is preposterous.

  21. 1) The ADL is full of shit
    2) Israel is a Nazi state

    1. And anyone who isn’t anti-Israel is an idiot or a shill for the American Empire.

      1. …what’s your solution, other than bitching about Jews?

        1. Smash all the governments. If you don’t do that, then fuck you, you deserve what you get.

          1. government is a necessary evil. anarchy deos not work, it leads to chaos and uncertainty, and eventually to LESS freedom then you might have with a government. The danger is in allowing that government to become too powerful, then you lose your freedom. Why are you so angry? there is no need to be, rather, you can have a rational discussion and a more reasonable one. If you cannot do that, then you should just stop commenting on this thread.

  22. Vichy,

    Your tag is certainly appropriate. I guess you suffer from a certain lack of self-awareness, shall we say.

    1. I had a look at his blog. He’s very aware of where he’s coming from. He has a post quoting Mein Kampf, a post where he trashes Nelson Mandela, and another in which calls black women ugly and stupid.

      1. Yeah, human biodiversity is taboo among you Beltway faggots.

        1. Please keep digging Vichy. Your every post is a demonstration of the sort of mentality that’s behind ‘anti-Zionism’.

          1. Huh? I’m racist and an eugenics supporter and support Israel because of its tolerance for my atheism (unlike some other countries in the region). Research proves that Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average intelligence of any population on Earth. Therefore, nazism is trash pseudoscience.

            Vichy is irrational in his hate of the real Master Race(tm), according to his own criteria.

            Of course, this doesn’t change the fact that the property-violating, arsonist-anarchists currently setting London on fire are mostly black. It also doesn’t change the fact that they are subhuman trash. Good luck implementing free markets in countries in which the majority of the population acts like this. Hint: it’s impossible without changing the gene pool!

          2. He keeps digging, alright. The hole had long since reached the regulation six foot depth. But Vichy, he’s still digging, haha.

    2. Go hang yourself, you leftist cunt.

  23. “[The Native Americans] didn’t have any rights to the land … Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to take over this continent.”

    ~Ayn Rand, Q and A session following her Address To The Graduating Class Of The United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, March 6, 1974

    And neither did the Palestinians have any right to their land, even if they had libertarian-approved private property land titles to their houses.

    Because believing in the wrong version of a Bronze Age Abrahamic skygod makes you like the American Indians – genocide bait.

    1. White Indian, your parallel fails. Arabic and English are official languages in Israel along with Hebrew. How many USA street signs are written in a Native American language? You also forget that Jews purchased the majority of the land they own in Israel from the Arabs who lived there, and that Arabs routinely took land from Jews in other parts of the Middle East.

    2. In order to implement libertarianism, you must first eliminate those who would challenge or oppose it.

      Libertarianism is a high-IQ ideology; it cannot thrive on stupidity, and the average IQ of Native Americans is only about 90. Even an IQ of 100 isn’t enough to escape statism; Hong Kong and Singapore, while not without flaws, are the most libertarian-like places on Earth (at least economically). They also have the highest average IQs on Earth.

      A Native American country would be just Mexico, Guatemala, Bolivia reloaded. A 3rd world hellhole.

      I cannot support anything that increases the amount of stupidity in the world, so I’m quite happy the white Europeans managed to displace the locals in the US. I find their genocidal methods to be distasteful, and I hope any increase in the average IQ of the world population will be done in a peaceful manner.

      1. …are you joking? i am all for intelligence, but assigning iq levels a specific race is a bit…i don’t know, Racist perhaps?.

  24. Great article, Young. You gave a thorough report on both sides of the debate.

  25. Where’s underzog?

  26. nghj fhgjhk rtuysbfkgmldk

Please to post comments

Comments are closed.