TSA to Implement Israel-Style Airport Security Procedures
The Boston Herald reports that the Transportation Security Administration will be trying out Israel-style screening techniques at Logan International Airport:
The training for the Israeli-style screening — a projected $1 billion national program dubbed Screening Passengers by Observation Techniques — kicks off today at Logan International Airport and will be put to use in Terminal A on Aug. 15. It requires screeners to make quick reads of whether passengers pose a danger or a terror threat based on their reactions to a set of routine questions.
Under the SPOT program, as passengers hand over their boarding passes and identification, specially trained agents will ask three to four questions — from "Where have you been?" to "Do you have a business card?" and "Where are you traveling?" — while looking for "micro expressions," such as lack of eye contact, that might hint at nefarious intent.
Suspicious individuals will be pulled aside for more questioning, full-body scans and pat-downs. If the encounter escalates, agents will call in state police.
At Logan, about 70 agents — all with college degrees — are undergoing training by an international consulting firm that includes a four-day classroom course and 24 hours of on-the-job experience, said TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis.
Skeptics of the current TSA system, which treats every passenger like a potential terrorist, have been divided over the wisdom of using Israel's psychological screening in the states, where the average big city airport does twice as much traffic per year as Ben Gurion International, Israel's only international airport. Here's the Atlantic's Jeff Goldberg writing in January 2010:
At what point do we model American airline security after Israeli security? The answer, I think, is never, not because it wouldn't work, but because we can't scale up. Israel's one national airport, Ben-Gurion, has a total passenger capacity of 10 million annually; Baltimore-Washington International, by contrast, processes more than 20 million a year -- I pick BWI because the security lines there, in my experience, go fairly smoothly, but they wouldn't if the airport adopted the Israeli system. The Israeli system, which features individual interviews with each traveler, also wouldn't work because, cow-like though we are, Americans are not going to stand for the invasive questioning that is the most crucial component of the Israeli system. Also, we'd have to show up at the airport five hours ahead of our flights to be processed at the more overcrowded American airports. I'm having a hard time imagining this happening.
The Boston Globe's Jeff Jacoby argued otherwise in 2006:
Nearly five years after Sept. 11, 2001, US airport security remains obstinately focused on intercepting bad things -- guns, knives, explosives. It is a reactive policy, aimed at preventing the last terrorist plot from being repeated. The 9/11 hijackers used box cutters as weapons, so sharp metal objects were barred from carry-on luggage. Would-be suicide terrorist Richard Reid tried to ignite a bomb in his shoe, so now everyone's footwear is screened for tampering. Earlier this month British authorities foiled a plan to blow up airliners with liquid explosives; as a result, toothpaste, eye drops, and cologne have become air-travel contraband.
Of course the Israelis check for bombs and weapons too, but always with the understanding that things don't hijack planes, terrorists do -- and that the best way to detect terrorists is to focus on intercepting not bad things, but bad people. To a much greater degree than in the United States, security at El Al and Ben Gurion depends on intelligence and intuition -- what Rafi Ron, the former director of security at Ben Gurion, calls the "human factor" that technology alone can never replace.
Israeli airport security, much of it invisible to the untrained eye, begins before passengers even enter the terminal. Officials constantly monitor behavior, alert to clues that may hint at danger: bulky clothing, say, or a nervous manner. Profilers -- yes, that's what they're called -- make a point of interviewing travelers, sometimes at length. They probe, as one profiling supervisor recently explained to CBS, for "anything out of the ordinary, anything that does not fit." Their questions can seem odd or intrusive, especially if your only previous experience with an airport interrogation was being asked whether you packed your bags yourself.
Unlike in US airports, where passengers go through security after checking in for their flights and submitting their luggage, security at Ben Gurion comes first. Only when the profiler is satisfied that a passenger poses no risk is he or she allowed to proceed to the check-in counter. By that point, there is no need to make him remove his shoes, or to confiscate his bottle of water.
Gradually, airport security in the United States is inching its way toward screening people, rather than just their belongings.
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A friend of mine once went to Israel, and he told me the guy next to him in the airport line joked, "I hope they don't find my bomb."
Well, they fucked this dude up pretty good. They didn't beat him up or anything, but they did just about everything else.
Try joking about a bomb in a US airport, and see what happens.
Or on the Internet once we get Net Neutrality.
Mommy!
If this SPOT program can't tell the difference between a lame attempt at humor and someone actually planning an act of terrorism, that indicates that it really is not effective.
Exactly.
Try telling the security guards at the DEA office in LA that you're holding a one person sit in.
I'm thrilled they will us the Mossad method and catch all those terrorists tea partiers
*use*
as in use spellcheck
Spellcheck doesn't flag "us".
I have never met any of those - and yes, I have been to Tea Party rallies.
Mental note: explain jokes to PIRS
http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....t_cei.html
The first libertarian they stumble on will fuck this up for everybody.
Then it's on the fucker-uppers, not the libertarian.
"Where are you going?"
"None of your business!"
"Stop and talk with me."
"I don't want to."
"Put away that cell phone, recording us is a Federal crime."
Just saying.
Are you implying that videography within an airport filled with tourists is a crime?
The TSA regularly does. Actually that's not quite right. They don't imply it. They outright state it. Because respect authority, kids!
Lack of eye contact? Great. If anyone's looking for me, I'm probably going to be at Gitmo soon.
This. The only time I make eye contact is when confronting someone.
this x3
This, except I never confront anyone.
You guys make eye contact more than you think. You just don't notice it because you don't sustain it for more than a few brief moments. What the profile is looking for is a complete aversion to eye contact , which is different.
I am the exact opposite, I look everyone in the eye. And I do have to agree with the above. My responses to the example questions would be "None of your business." "No, do you?" "None of your business."
And you will be deny access through the airport, you've choose to walk. Have a day.
See how easy that is?
I'm sure this is some variation of joe'z memorial law. Have a day, sir!
I haven't had the pleasure of being TSA groped yet, but if it ever happens I am going to eye-stare them mercilessly through the whole procedure.
That's just what we're looking for -- you'll be groped good and hard.
It seems counter intuitive, given the caliber of people hired by the TSA (degreed or not), that they would want to burden them with the requirement of having to think.
Beat me to it. This will be yet another billion dollar waste.
Yep. Israel hires professional Intel types to do this kind of screening. The TSA is staffed by union morons. I sense impending fail.
But didn't you read? The TSA folks being trained for this have COLLEGE DEGREES! So they're like, really smart! Like way smarter than you or me. Plus they're CREDENTIALED.
A last-minute change in an extensive European business trip sent me on my first visit to Israel. To accommodate that, my travel agent modified my itinerary, and I had to pick up tickets at the Madrid airport several hours before departure. This was probably unusual enough to trigger El Al suspicions, but I still wonder whether Mossad was also aware that I had lived in Saudi Arabia several years earlier and still travelled in various Arab countries. Anyway, I got the full El Al interrogation treatment: a thirty minute interview with a tag-team of two very professional interrogators. They asked all sorts of intrusive personal, political, and business questions and insisted that I produce various documents and show them the PowerPoint file for the presentation that was the main purpose of my trip. At first it seemed very intrusive -- well, it was very intrusive but, though this information was none of their business, it was just a technique to determine whether I was up to no good. So, a few minutes into the interview I decided that if they want to know the story of my life, so be it. Never have I met anyone so interested in learning the mundane details about another's life. Of course, their interest in the details was targeted in catching me in a lie.
Like I said, the interrogation tag-team (one young man and one young woman) was truly professional. Based on their English vocabulary and the relevance of their questions, I'd estimate average IQ was probably over 115. TSA doesn't have a chance of copying El Al ... not a chance.
Based on their English vocabulary and the relevance of their questions, I'd estimate average IQ was probably over 115. TSA doesn't have a chance of copying El Al ... not a chance.
All we need to do is institute a draft of every man and woman and we could easily get this caliber of airport security.
As was made clear in the comment, he only received this level of interrogation due to a number of red flags: last minute itinerary change, born in Saudi Arabia, frequent travel to countries hostile to Israel.
Applying the proper level of interrogation to the corresponding level of suspicion is precisely what makes the Israeli model so efficient, and the current American model such a disaster.
And we should empower any federal official to ask these questions on the spot? Bad precedent imo.
Typo edit: a not any.
If by using Israeli techniques we mean we're going to start profiling and stop wasting the time of unlikely suspects, I'm for it.
I always wonder if my 14 years in the Magic Kingdom put me on anybody's list... I was in Ras Tanura 82-96. You?
Dhahran 76-79 and Al-Jubail 82-84.
Mark my words! Cato's experience is what is coming to all of us in the US next! I assume that at least my fellow reasonoids are smart or experienced enough to see that those of us ringing the warning bell about coming attraction are not paranoid, but prescient.
(Well, paranoid too at this point, but that doesn't necessarily rule out being prescient about these sorts of things.)
It requires screeners to make quick reads of whether passengers pose a danger or a terror threat based on their reactions to a set of routine questions.
That's some epic scale training to get the current crop of TSA nut-gropers to be competent enough to pull this off.
but they have college degrees!
English, Art History and Social Studies.
Communications degrees - still completely worthless.
It's easier to get through a day if the reason your nuts aren't groped by TSA is because of poor training instead of lack of hotness.
How can you tell if nuts are hot if you don't grope them? Your logic is flawed.
People won't like the invastive questions? Oh, but they're fine with getting groped and having their naked body scans oggled by some pervert.
Asshole
What can we say, we must not like pillow talk.
Wait a sec. Getting groped/scanned or answering invasive questions by monkeys are the only two alternatives? That's like having to choose between broccoli or rutabaga for your last meal.
Getting groped/scanned or answering invasive questions by monkeys are the only two alternatives?
The third alternative is both of the above, simultaneously. Remember to maintain eye-contact when they grab your junk.
Why do I think this is just going to make things worse?
Because you realize that the only way this would make things better is if the TSA doesn't fuck it up?
Grrrrr. I fly out of Logan all the time. While I find TSA extremely irritating I go through security rather quickly. Unlike many folks complaining about having to arrive at the airport 2-3 hours before their flight, I aim to arrive 35-40 minutes before my departure. A couple of months ago I managed to catch an international flight (all right, the first segment was domestic) arriving only 25 minutes before the departure to Terminal A, the terminal where the Israeli-style screening will be implemented. I don't see any upside here.
Is there some moment in every old man's life when they just say, "fuck it. I'm not gonna wear a belt again. It's suspenders from here on out."?
I think it happens somewhere between 75 and 80 years of age. And you never, ever see anyone on a Rascal with pants of a proper length. What the fuck is up with these octogenarians?
That won't be me. I'll just stop wearing pants.
Sir, you'll have to remove those suspenders to board the aircraft.
Eh? Can you tell me where the PanAm lounge is sonny?
Meh, Braniff has better martinis...
suspenders (or braces) cause a certain amount of creep in the nether regions that is particularly discomforting.
In Soviet Russia... uh....
OK, I got nothing.
Seriously? Government agents asking you where you're traveling? WTF happened to Amerikka?
Your papers, pliz.
"Hey genius, you see my boarding pass? That's where I'm going."
"Where have you been?"
Don't ask!
"Do you have a business card?"
hand over fake business card for porn shop
"Where are you traveling?"
To a hotel to meet your mom.
Please step this way sir.....
Two TSA agents talking:
"OK. That's one suspicious arab questioned, now we got to find five white people to balance it out."
"Let's get that old woman in the courtesy cart".
btw, I'm (and my Dutch brothers) are masters of the deadpan. You could drop an a-bomb and I might slightly raise a mm of an eyebrow. Maybe.
I gonna take the taser out, stick iddup you ass, and press the button till it goes "zap".
That's fine, the guy you replaced was caught sticking it up his own ass...
The best advice I can give to anyone asked one of these questions is to learn a couple of phrases in a language that can be identified by your last name, and to start spouting off phrases when they ask you a question.
Or you could go all Michael Douglas in "Shining Through" and have a card printed that says you cannot speak because of a war wound. Of course, you'd have to carry Melanie Griffith around and listen to the worst acting known to man, but we all have to make sacrifices.
Isn't it already printed on your boarding pass?
That shows where the flight you're about to get on is going. Not where you ultimately are traveling to.
i can answer that question tulpa it went down the toilet during bush's four year reign of terror
They already know. That information is passed on to them when you buy your tickets. Don't believe for a minute that the airline is allowed to keep any information about your flight private.
And for our next imitation of Israel, we'll bomb the shit out of Cuba and then blockade it to prevent anyone from bringing drywall or styrofoam there.
or to block shiploads full of rockets to replace the ones they are firing at us, to follow your analogy
It's not an analogy -- that's exactly what Israel did to Gaza. Blocked building supplies, even those that couldn't possibly be used to build military fortifications.
Right, because it would have been a better use of their time to sort through every piece of cargo on those ships and let Sheetrock through while denying the rebar, concrete, and bomb-making material.
They were allowing food and medicine in, so they were already having to inspect shipments for weapons, explosives, and other militarily useful stuff. Letting light construction material in shouldn't have been a problem. And if it were, tough. If you don't want to follow the blockade game's rules, don't start a blockade game.
There are rules to Blockade Game?
Tulpa, just sit back and watch the fun of purported libertarians supporting the use of force to prevent the free movement of goods and people.
You'd be surprised what instruments of death and destruction can be constructed from styrofoam and toilet paper.
JOOS!
Tulpa,
I'm proud that you have now reduced your arguments from "ISRAEL BLOCKS ALL AID ATTEMPTING TO REACH GAZA!!!!" to "Ok, they let food and supplies and SOME building supplies but ISRAEL IS BLOCKING SUPPLIES THAT COULD EITHER MAKE A HOUSE OR A BOMB!!! THE IS THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!!!"
Randal: A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Dante: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at.
Randal: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
Dante: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
Randal: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed- casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. (notices Dante's confusion) All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia-this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
Oh, fuck. Here comes a shower of "Clerks" hate.
MNG likes this.
JOOS!
Meh. If you are randomly rocketing a neighboring country every chance you get, I'm not terribly interested in any complaints you make about how they are treating you.
Most people in Gaza whose homes were destroyed were not launching rockets, randomly or otherwise. Well, unless you believe in collective responsibility.
Most people in Gaza Tokyo whose homes were destroyed were not launching rockets bombing Pearl Harbor/raping Nanking/slaughtering Filipinos, randomly or otherwise. Well, unless you believe in collective responsibility.
Don't bother Tulpa, the collectivization is strong in these folks when it comes to Israel.
Most people in Gaza Israel who were killed or whose homes were destroyed were not launching by rockets, randomly or otherwise were not bulldozing Palestinian buildings.
That's the thing about wars. They are collective conflicts. If your "country" is randomly rocketing its neighbor, don't whining to me when your neighbor responds in kind.
Poor RC doesn't get that he just blessed the rocket attacks on Israel. After all, it's a war, right?
Those without a broken moral compass rightly condemn both sides needless killing of non-combatants.
I like how you equate needless killing with stopping building supplies from coming into your own country. Remember, Gaza is part of Israel.
And for the record, Israel has killed innocent people in their war to remain a sovereign nation. Those killings should be condemned as vociferously as the indiscriminate killings from the terroristsonthe other side of the conflict. You know, the ones who kidnap and behead people. Or the ones who get children killed because they use them as human shields. Or the ones who hide rockets and launchers in hospitals.
I wanna play. And now for an outlandish one.
May I equate Israel keeping construction supplies out of Gaza to the Us Federal govt. keeping Ohio health insurance plans out of NY?
Remember, NY and Ohio are part of the USA.
+ 1 Herman Lame
If Gaza were part of Israel they would not be permitted under international law to attack foreign ships in international waters to enforce a blockade against it.
Currently their argument is that it's a separate country since they pulled out their military, though I expect them to switch back to arguing it's part of Israel as soon as it becomes convenient.
Those without a broken moral compass rightly condemn both sides needless killing of non-combatants.
So, by your standards, your moral compass is broken, MNG.
If your "country" is randomly rocketing its neighbor, don't whining to me when your neighbor responds in kind.
So I take it you would have no problem with Pakistanis, Yemenis, Afghanis, Iraqis, and Libyans blowing up civilians in the US.
Hell, the US was already intermittently blowing up stuff in Arab countries back in the 1990s, so by your argument there was nothing wrong with 9/11 either.
Blowback exists. One can make the argument our entire sorry sordid post-'53 engagement in the Middle East is really nothing more than the blowback for taking down Mossadegh.
In any event, if your intent is to live peacefully and be left alone, you don't generally do that by picking a fight with a country that has all the guns and bombs, and no real compunctions about using them on whoever looks at them funny.
"If you gun possessors are killing people who don't have guns every day, I'm not terribly interested in any complaints you make about how they are treating you."
Possessing a gun = indiscriminate rocketing of a neighboring country?
I thought you were better than this.
Possessing a gun = living in Gaza
Killing people who don't have guns = firing rockets at Israel
Try again.
That's some serious gymnastics there, tulpa. Or should we start calling you Mitch Gaylord?
Analogies confuse a lot of people around here Tulpa. Try puppets with sloopy.
Make sure to make the Palestinian puppet out to be a scary looking Arab guy or he won't buy it.
Palestinians aren't Arabs, dumbass.
That would be news to them as they speak Arabic.
yo sloop if they arent arabs then what are they?? pls dont bite my head off im just asking you a simple question
Show me where the analogy is inapposite.
And I haven't done gymnastics since I nearly castrated myself on the pommel horse back in high school.
You must have a wide stance. I Keed. I keed.
The analogy turned into an anthology.
Gun owners aren't a people with a government of their own, Gazans are. The government of Gaza, which the Gazans elected, has a policy of launching rockets into Israel. Your analogy would only fit if you restricted it to registered members of the NRA, the NRA was launching rockets onto the White House property, and the Obama administration went after the NRA. When you incorporate into an organization or a nation, you take on some collective responsibility for the group that you are part of.
Tulpa, Egypt opened it's border to Gaza a couple of months ago. You should update your complaints to reflect the current reality.
Why is it, you never complain about Russia during the Reason posts that feature Russia Today?
Jooooooos!
Under the SPOT program, as passengers hand over their boarding passes and identification, specially trained agents will ask three to four questions ? from "Where have you been?" to "Do you have a business card?" and "Where are you traveling?"
*stares vacantly*
The Anton Chigurh approach. I like it.
If TSA SOP is any indication, they'll be busting 2-year-olds for refusing to answer their questions.
Alt text: I sure hope you can sing or dance, cause that's the worst shine I ever seen, boy.
I'm `bout to git in yo' ass muh fuh.
such as lack of eye contact, that might hint at nefarious intent
If they do this the way they usually do, then it won't be long before making eye contact will also "hint at nefarious intent".
However well it make work for the Israelis, the U.S. government will find a way to thoroughly fuck it up. I have faith in them. There's NOTHING they can't fuck up!
Sunglasses will be banned?
Pretty sure they won't let you go through the checkpoint with sunglasses on.
Ah, Jaysis!
Exactly. If you make eye contact, you will be trying to be logical and persuasive and, hence, guilty.
"I thought he was looking me in the eyes just to avoid getting attention for not looking me in the eyes."
You guys are overlooking the benefits of the Israeli system: hot chicks with automatic rifles. We're doing that part, right?
I'm sure being an attractive 15 year old girl will also be suspicious, requiring lots of "hands on" attention.
"Where have you been?"
Back there.
"Where are you traveling?"
Through those metal detectors.
"Where are you going?"
-"Washington DC"
"Where do you work?"
-" I'm the new REASON intern!"
Strobes start flashing, klaxon sounds...
Is "Up yours, Quisling" a valid response to these goons?
When they look in my eyes all they will see is murderous rage, directed at them!
See how it works, Mr. FIFY?
I don't think this would be too bad if it were used instead of groping and body scans, but something tells me it will be used IN ADDITION. Which means you will have both your privacy AND your personal space violated. Yep, that is worse.
Finally. I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that.
Not having read all of the articles, what does make people think that this questioning will be done in lieu of rapescanning/groping? Much more conducive to growing your department---the real goal of any bureaucracy---to have these officers supplement what TSA's already doing.
That was my thought also. I can't imagine they will have any meaningful metric to evaluate the success of this program. They've never caught a terrorist with the old method. Surely some beltway genius will decide if one is good, clearly both are better.
Too late for the morning links, but another lemonade stand shut down because tribute to the state not paid.
I'm not sure I like giving individual TSA screeners more discretion. It's like an open invitation to abuse someone because you don't like their looks.
Hell, it might even work the other way a around. If they think you're hot, they may be more inclined to single you out for special treatment.
Holy shit! A judge actually upholds the Fourth Amendment on a drug case.
"Do you have a business card?"
No, sorry. But I'll take one of yours and have my people get in touch.
This type of technique is used everyday in banks across the country. Tellers are trained to look for similar signs to recognize possible bank robbers. I saw an employees handbook, once. There was an entire chapter on profiling.
Unfortunately, in this case, it's federal TSA agents, and a $1 billion tax payer funded training program.
I can refuse to answer a banker and leave in peace. (For now anyway) I need to get somewhere I have no choice but to bow down, answer, and hope for the best.
I also have the option of several other banks, and the freedom to let the teller know exactly what I think of her, her job, her employer, and her mother. I may be asked, required even, to leave the bank, but that's pretty much the limit of it. TSA goons can file charges for me looking at them funny.
TO GET ON YOUR PLANE YOU MUST ANSWER ME THESE QUESTIONS THREE...
They're doing everything imaginable to keep me off of planes, aren't they?
Your safety is our primary concern.
Meanwhile...
You just have to get the right people cronies in charge.
The new Clear, which costs $179 a year, is now operating only at airports in Denver and Orlando, Fla., but the company plans significant expansion on a bet that the T.S.A. will accept it as a partner in the agency's efforts to focus more on risk-based security intelligence.
It undoubtedly helps that the management of the new Clear includes executives with government security experience. The president, J. Bennet Waters, for example, is a former deputy assistant administrator at the T.S.A. and, more recently, was the chief operating officer at the Chertoff Group, the security consulting firm founded by Michael Chertoff. Mr. Chertoff, the former homeland security secretary, is on the board of the new Clear.
"If the encounter escalates, agents will call in state police."
More likely that a real terrorist, so exposed, will set off his bomb or whip out his weapon and take a TSA agent with him.
And then agents will call in state police.
Duh.
So what's wrong with Israeli-style security? It obviously works and it's better than molesting people at random.
Velcom to Amerika, kommrad.
What's wrong with open-heart surgery? Nothing, in theory, but lots if you're letting TSA material do it.
TSA to Implement Israel-Style Airport Security Procedures
What does that mean, they are going to bulldoze the houses of family members they find contraband on?
JOOS!
Or maybe it means that the TSA will (i) develop a society that produces more patents and scientific advancements in a year than their neighbors/enemies (who are sworn to their elimination, and outnumber them 10 to 1) have collectively produced in a hundred years; or (ii) develop a society that tolerates dissent, has rule of law and judicial review, allows free practice of sexual preference, religious practice and political views to an extent that could only be dreamed of by its enemies, and tolerates (I use that word because there is definite and real discrimination, no sense in denying it) the presence of a substantial population of the same people who are sworn to their destruction, while those same neighbors would not tolerate more than a handful of its own group in their societies (and, in fact, from the 1940s-1960s actively chased out over a million from their countries).
If only the TSA was capable of rising to such a level.
You're a piece of shit MNG.
At Logan, about 70 agents ? all with college degrees
Ooooh!!! College degrees!!!! Just like my mortgage broker had before he got laid off.
I think I can hire receptionists with college degrees these days. Saying somebody has a college degree is not setting the bar terribly high anymore.
Since there is no way on earth that the TSA can successfully implement Israeli-style security, this program is a billion-dollar
(1) excuse, when it inevitably fails, for continuing their current scan-and-grope, everyone's a terrorist (unless they are overtly Muslim) program.
(2) featherbedding and empire-building boondoggle, in the meantime.
See? No downside for TSA on this one.
I fully expect TSA to beat the shot out of a retard with this new technique.
Hell, I'll give 1:10 odds on that one.
"Sir, why do you smell like bacon?"
"Oh, I beg your pardon, Ma'am!"
they have college degrees! The University of Phoenix is proud.
looking for "micro expressions," such as lack of eye contact, that might hint at nefarious intent
Thanks a lot, idiot! Now we have to change our list of micro expressions again.
If we'd just put the Israeli government in charge of all of our affairs half the posters here would drop all their anti-government complaints. When the IDF engages in land takings, aggresive checkpoints, brutality in arrests, renditions, pre-trial detainment, blockades and such they have no problem with it.
Difference is that Israel is under constant threat of invasion. Leaving aside the divisive reasons for that and focusing on the environment they live in, it's a lot worse of a situation than the US and so not exactly apples to apples.
WE'RE AT WAR DAMMIT!!!
Keep in mind that the US was under constant threat of invasion back when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were ratified.
From individual citizens getting off a boat? It was a lot easier to spot a fleet full of red coats then than Hamas 'warriors' with a trunk full of AKs and mortars.
Article One, Section 9, clause 2 fo' yo' health.
MNG, I've looked at most of the Reason posts about eminent domain abuse in America, and you're absence there is noteworthy. Israel's track record there is on par with America's in the past 70 years.
Ugh. Where are all the small-government Tea Partiers pushing to fully privatize airport security?
Busy with Beck standing with Israel.
Will this be in lieu of the other screenings or in addition to? Most of the advice to the TSA was to skip the other screenings for this method - but I suspect they'll just layer it on top of current methods making it a pointless exercise. The inevitable reversal will be accompanied with 'we tried the Israeli method and it made things worse'.
^^^ THIS. ^^^
If there is any more direct example of why the US's "special relationship" with Israel is toxic, it's hard to imagine what it might be. We're importing all the stupid and tyrannical without getting the better atmosphere for debate.
It's the toxic effect of the evil international jew, my friend.
training by an international consulting firm that includes a four-day classroom course and 24 hours of on-the-job experience, said TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis.
And- each agent who successfully completes this arduous training program will receive a certificate*, and be deemed a credentialed expert in the field of terrorist mindreading.
*In some states, the certificate will also allow the agents to conduct seances and exorcisms.
When does anti-Zionism cross the boundary into antisemitism?
When you use even the most brief, ancillary mention of Israel as an excuse to launch into a vicious diatribe about Israeli actions or policy.
Anti-Zionists? Where?
I rip US foreign militarism on roughly the same terms (the Israelis tend to be more blatant but it really is the same spirit), so the tired old anti-Semitism charge ain't gonna work.
Who said anything about you?
Something in my comment must have spoken to you however. *shrugs*
Tulpa, the post was about airport security measures. You would never comment on the Columbia University expansion plan or USA protectionists in a regular TSA post.
Face it, you just can't stand people seeing Israel as a normal country. Without the conflict in Israel in the front of people's mind, you don't have an excuse to paint yourself as the "savior of the oppressed". You know, it's not always about you, Tulpa.
Oddly enough, I can't think of another country on earth whose defenders equate [over-]zealous criticism of that country with racism or bigotry. Maybe you can help me come up with another example.
Oddly enough, I can't think of another country on earth whose defenders equate [over-]zealous criticism of that country with racism or bigotry. Maybe you can help me come up with another example.
You obviously have never discussed geo-politics with a mainlander Chinese, then.
So you're at the level of PRC apologists. To quote a great man, or at least a man with great taste in outerwear, you must be proud.
Umm...whatever, dude. The inertia of that hobbyhorse you're riding is currently way too powerful to stop with reasoning.
So you're at the level of PRC apologists.
In other words: some countries are more equal than others.
Tulpa, have you ever tried criticizing a non-Western nation in a college humanities course? It's an invitation for the professor to brand you as a racist.
^^ THIS ^^
A good girlfriend of mine was strip searched down to her thong flying through Israel as part of a Wharton b-school excursion. No shit. A couple Israeli security goons took her to a room and stripped her near-bareassed. She's not much for flying anymore. I'm sure she and all her friends that know are now super siked to hear about this development.
TSA already does that, nothing new there.
about 70 agents ? all with college degrees
...which means precisely jack shit.
Hell, I know people with law degrees that I wouldn't trust to change the dirty litter in my cat box.
HAHAHAHA
Right. Watch as they double salaries, allow bogus degrees. Unionization has already happened. Affirmative action is a de-facto policy of the Feds as well. Oh, man what a boondoggle this will be. And it will be used to "demonstrate" comprehensively how the Israeli model fails in the US! Well, damn right, cos you can't hire smart people.
Since MNG and Tulpa already threadjacked the post, I might as well report on the that the Arab Spring has reached Israel. Israelis are now protesting for affordable housing and a bunch of Left-wing causes. You can read about it in news reports from the:
Right and Left