Should Rep. Weiner Resign? Get the Heave-Ho? Keep Serving His District? Two Views
Yesterday, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) admitted that he had lied and lied and lied some more when it came to the whole episode about him tweeting a pic of his junk to a college student in Washington State. In what can only be described as one of the most memorable political press conferences all week (and it's already Tuesday!), Weiner apologized to God, Mother, and Andrew Breitbart, the new media maven who substantiated new stories about Weiner's baroque use of social media.
But Weiner also insisted that he was not going to resign his position in Congress because he hadn't broken any laws or contravened ethical guidelines for the House of Representatives. The top Democrat in the house, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has called for an investigation, so we'll see about that.
In the meantime, consider these two different views of Weingergate. First, Andrew Sullivan says,
Weiner has not resigned and, frankly, I see little reason why he should. No one, so far as I can tell, was harrassed, no one was abused, no actual sex even took place at all. I'm not sure one can even find any hypocrisy here. Moreover, if online flirting is unforgivable, why isn't off-line flirting unforgivable? And what really is the difference? Apart from pictures that can be used to humiliate - and even blackmail.
Yes, I realize that one congressman recently swiftly resigned over a Craigslist shirtless pic, but that was a stupid response then and it remains a stupid thing now. It was and should have remained a matter between him and his spouse. Given the result of NY-26, maybe even the GOP is regretting its bout of puritanism now.
Second, here's Jack Shafer over at Slate:
For me, when the mass of lies equals the mass of apologies, the whole package congeals into some new sociopathic form for which there is yet no name. (Weinerite, perhaps?) That he was caught lying about his personal life, and not about public policy, doesn't really matter to me. By demonstrating that he's as good a liar as he is an apologizer, Weiner tells us everything we need to know about him.
As far as I can tell, Republicans think that Weiner should resign out of a sense of shame and for the good of the country (not fully sure what that all means). Dems are more agnostic, though many of them think he should resign. Generally, folks seem particularly annoyed that he lied so hard about it all. Check out this ABC News clip:
What say you, gentle readers? Should Weiner resign and why (or why not)?
There seems no doubt that Weiner's ambitions to become mayor of New York have suffered a major setback. Whether he pulls out of Congress (or is kicked out) remains to be seen, but I think it's unlikely. His wife is a close personal adviser to Secretary of State Hilary Clinton and Bill himself officiated at the couple's wedding. If the Clinton years tell us anything about scandals, esp. sex scandals, it's that people get tired and move on eventually. And while Rep. Chris Lee (R-NY) bowed out quickly, there are plenty of other guys (Sen. David Vitter, for instance) who have kept their eyes focused on the future too.
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No. Let's move on.
If Foley had to quit, Weiner has to quit. Neither men did anything illegal but one had a sense of ethics and shame while the other ones cried false tears.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/
Whoa, let's not inject "ethics" into a discussion about a guy writing sex notes to underage employees in the case of Foley.
16 is the age of consent in DC, so if he had slept with them it would have been legal. Not that he did slept with them, some of those pages were 18 though.
Besides, Foley did have ethics, when he was exposed he realized that what he did was wrong, that there was no way to save himself, that his voters disproved and that the best thing to do was to quit and seek counseling.
That is what passes for ethics in D.C? It's all good until you get caught?
We're screwed. Game over man! Let's dust off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
ahem...
Did Foley have to quit?
Greg-
I see your point, but we should not forget that our sexual hang-ups should not be imposed upon everybody else via the law.
There can be no rule of law where the state arrogates unto itself the right to codify sexual hang-ups and fallacies such as statutory rape. If a young lady of 14 desires sex with a 45 year old weiner, that is her business.
Wow Libertymike, a 14 year old is not a legal adult, she's not mature enough to know what she wants.
Besides, we don't have sexual hangups, have you seen how much porn we consume? Have you seen the success of Las Vegas?
What we have is ethics. In our world is ok for a single man and woman to do as they like, but when you get married society holds you to a different standard.
That's not a hangup, marriage without fidelity, without at least consent for adultery, is simply a joke.
Let me put it this way, if Bill Clinton ever gives a speech about the sanctity of marriage, people are gonna laugh in his face.
And yet, for some reason, people don't laugh in Newt Gingrich's face when he gives the same speech.
1. When was the last time Newtie gave such a speech?
2. People do when he does.
That's because he enjoys divorcing women when it's no longer working out. Democrats on the other hand love the pretense of trying to make something work when it's not working. It's the reason John Edwards took years to divorce his long suffering wife. Oh well, I hope Rielle enjoys having a husband in prison, I'd love to see that dirty lawyer spend a year in jail.
Democrats on the other hand love the pretense of trying to make something work when it's not working. It's the reason John Edwards took years to divorce his long suffering wife.
That's exactly what Gingrich did.
Stay! So we can keep making fun of him. He has a name that is slang for penis!
Stand firm, Weiner!
Grow another pair!
Stiffen your resolve, weinerman!
And don't let them shorten your manhood.
Stay firm, stay long, stay hard Weiner.
The longer this circus plays out, the less lawmaking gets done. I hope it lasts weeks. Washington is best when absorbed by scandal.
Plus, I love watching politicians crash and burn, and the more spectacularly, the better.
We know. You've said it ad nauseam.
nothing more entertaining than watching a politician caught with his pants down...or his masculine bulges displayed in tweets...
I will also avow that I never ever lie about my weiner that I sent in tweets - my ginormous weiner that is beloved by all women and respected enormously by men...
Any discrepancies between my actual weiner size and the apparent weiner size is easily explained by the fact that the photo was taken from a mirror, and as we all know objects in mirrors appear larger than in real life.
Yes, he should resign. Why? Because he holds a position of power and public trust, and has shown he cannot be trusted with the former, and has no claim on the latter.
Always with the negative waves, Moriarty.
Two legislators: one works hard, shows up early, leaves late.
The other tweets his peepee, plays farmville and is trying to upload his pics to Apple's new iCloud.
Which would you rather have running the country?
Good point, Wiener must stay!
Is that a trick question? I think the latter might do less damage.
IT'S A TRAP!
I'll take legislator B over an earnest, hardworking Statist 9 times out of 10. At least we'll get the lulz when they crash and burn.
That is a nice theory. But Weiner is both. He works hard at ruining the country by day and tweets his junk to unsuspecting coeds by night.
Yeah, based on the chest picture, he was sending that crap from home, so we're not reaping the benefits.
John, you are right. You could make the same point about Clinton. In theory, however, I would prefer legislator B.
time spent tweeting weiner photos, and talking to the media, is time not spent drafting anti pornography legislation.
Also, for far too LONG weiners have been hidden away - I say its time to let them loose and fly like little birds...tweeting as they go!
What elected official can you trust with power, or trust in general? They are mostly power hungry liars.
When in doubt,
Throw the bum out.
I say Weiner should stay. Because you never know who they'll replace him with. Imagine someone getting in there who's actually interested in legislating, governing, passing laws and generally concerning himself with the business of government.
With Weiner, we know he's spending his hours tweeting his peepee.
Better the Wiener you know than the dick you don't?
*golf clap*
There would be the chance that he'd be replaced with someone named Butz. People in that district wouldn't know if their representative was coming or going.
People in that district wouldn't know if they were looking at their representative, or a hole in the ground.
LOL!
I take back everything I said. He's to resign yesterday, if not sooner:
Hey the guy pushes(and pulls) himself hard too. So cut the guy some slack, but make sure you have a towel around when you do it.
According to Emily Rooney of the Boston PBS affiliate, WGBH (PBS' flagship station, I believe), her nephew was a Weiner staffer. On her program last Friday, she said that Weiner is the most vile, rude and overbearing person in government. Her source is obviously her nephew. I should note that Ms. Rooney is a big time statist democrat.
....her nephew was a Weiner staffer
That isn't resume positive unless he's driving the Weinermobile.
He should stay, this is just too much fun, and I can't wait for the campaign commercials, "Yes I lied, and lied, and lied, but I apologized, so vote for me!"
alt - remember the size of my apology & vote weiner!
"and I am lying even now as I am telling you I am speaking the truth"
"i need your support to continue to stick it to those who would hold us down. in the coming months i'll work hard to keep up my end and you will see the results you know to expect from me."
Nick, I saw you on a radio show where you were bemoaning the fact that everyone is talking about this guy's cock when we're still fighting foreign wars, we haven't passed a budget in over a year, and we've reached our debt ceiling. But then, you keep bringing it up.
Eeeww!!
How you doin'?
Ah, HA!!
Nick just knows what the people want. Gossip and cattiness is much more interesting than the latest debt levels, EVEN TO LIBERTARIANS.
Reminds me of what a Delaware delegate told me at the 1996 National LP convention in DC after I expressed my surprise at so much gossip and innuendo making the rounds about various candidates for various positions. This person told me:
Mike, libertarians are people, too.
You saw Nick on a radio show?
By demonstrating that he's as good a liar as he is an apologizer, Weiner tells us everything we need to know about him.
He's Presidential material.
He tweets our pain.
Whether he pulls out of Congress
Hope they're wearing safety glasses.
I think he should get his own reality TV show
It should be a heady mix of American Gladiators, Mama's Family, and Cheaters.
Throw Boehner in for that Jersey Shore flavor the kids all love.
Yes. And let's rustle up more guys: a Johnson, a Rod, a Meathammer, and a Thickmember.
No Wang? What do you have against Asians?
I was going alphabetically.
I would think a librarian would alphabetize better than that.
Oh sure, like you are going to find a Meathammer or a Thickmember named Wang!
Once again Hugh G. Rection gets snubbed.
We'll call it Sausage Party, and air it on the Food Network.
It can be hosted by Guy Fieri, who is already a giant cockbag.
I have tears streaming down my face, I'm laughing so much at this.
Thanks Hugh
Isn't he just too stupid to stay in Congress? I realize we are not talking about a bunch of Nobel-winners here, but he is so stupid he thought Twitter was a good medium for sending cock pics. Can't we have SOME sort of minimum intelligence level to be a legislator?
SOME sort.
Frankly I think Congress should have their computers replaced by etch-a-sketch's and see if they notice.
Isn't he just too stupid to stay in Congress?
Yes, which is precisely why we need him there. He smartens up the place.
"I realize we are not talking about a bunch of Nobel-winners..."
Considering that a recent Nobel winner was in Congress, that really is not the best example to use.
Peace prizes don't count. They are not handed out for intellectual achievement.
535 cinder blocks. That is what I want in DC. Weiner is now a cinder block, lets keep him.
Weiner should pull out.
He should stay because he will be less effective at passing laws and making the country worse than the blameless do gooder that would replace him.
I'll be heading over to Mr. Weiner's Washington Condo this weekend to inspect his anatomy so I can be satisfied... that the pictures were in fact his.
barf.
Congress should make him work as a Chippendale dancer on national holidays and all the tips that get stuffed in his underwear should be put toward the national debt. This would give him a safe place to show his stuff, give Barney Frank a place to put his loose change and raise a few bucks for the debt.
I trust that you would be stuffing benjamins and not lincolns in Weiner's cup.
I saw an interview with Breitbart where they asked him about the X-rated Weiner photos he claims to have but hasn't released.
He basically said he was keeping them private as an insurance policy, to keep the evil fuckers from trying to retaliate against him.
I thought, "Smart man".
Is that blackmail/extortion?
Wiki says no.
The offense of blackmail is created by 18 U.S.C. ? 873 which provides:
"Whoever, under a threat of informing, or as a consideration for not informing, against any violation of any law of the United States, demands or receives any money or other valuable thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both."
I thought they might make different rules, eg on the spot, concerning agents of, uh, congress.
Since he stated publicly that Lee should resign, we should feel entitled to hold him to that standard, and he should hold himself to that standard.
Or he proves himself to be an even bigger liar, bastard, posturer, and hack than he already appears to be.
Really, we should consider his Lee statement more fully.
This is a man who was DISROBING IN HIS OFFICE to take pictures to send women online.
Who had no problem feigning outrage to demand the resignation of someone else who did the same thing.
Are we not entitled to view every public statement he has ever made as a deception, in light of that? He didn't merely stand by and idly watch as Lee was drummed out of the House for doing exactly what he was doing himself. He actively participated in driving him out. That tells you even more about him as a human being than the scandal itself.
Indeed. Holding him to standards he demanded of others is perfectly fair.
Liberal bloggers are arguing that since Weiner isn't a "family values" type politician, he cannot be a hypocrite. I guess Fluffy just smashed that argument...
So being an outright scumbag is better than being a hypocrite?
That's where the liberals want to go? Really?
Fluffy, can you find that statement online? I can't. Please post a link if you can.
Or he proves himself to be an even bigger liar, bastard, posturer, and hack than he already appears to be.
Dude, there's not much water to drain out of the Congressional pool...
I like having a congressman whose a real weiner, and for whom we have documented evidence (the best evidence - weiner pictures).
Anybody you replace him with will start by saying:
It will be HARD to restore the trust of the people after this ordeal, but I will work LONG and HARD....
Your arguement rests on the idea that some congresscritters are not scumbags. Aside from a small handful, I would venture that all of them are only fit for use as human bullet shields.
^^This^^
I wouldn't be a bit afraid going into combat with Jerrold Nadler as a bullet shield. I bet he could stop a small AT round.
I wonder if he has seen anthony's weiner because I doubt he can see his.
I'm sure that Mr. Weiner has learned his lesson and will now be a model pubic servant.
The fact that he didn't already know that when data leaves your cell phone or computer, that you're no longer in control of it does give me pause.
My guess is he'll be the next committee chairperson on Facebook privacy.
** rolls eyes **
The more every legislator is giggled at any time he tries to propose something, the less damage he can do.
Keep him.
/The Pauls get an exception from this as long as they keep proposing removing entire bureaucracies.
That would be a great SNL skit. If only he was a Republican, they could do it! Darnit!
Yes, Pelosi and Wiener need to get into a sexting flurry. He sends her his turgid beefcannon and she sends him back a picture of Valles Marineris that he assumes is exsiccated ruin of her labia.
For the brave...
Does the human heart know chasms so abysmal?
chasm abysmal
no heart is so abyssal
a dark baptismal
/livejournal
You silver-tongued devil!
"his turgid beefcannon "
Heh.
"exsiccated ruin of her labia" = meat curtains!
THIS is why he should be run out of town:
http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....-reporter/
THIS too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....page#t=24s
For bullying and intimidating the inquiring public, up to and including calling the cops on a reporter from his district who asked uncomfortable questions. He basically used the cops' "you can't film here" strategy on the press. Fuck him.
As an aside, has anyone looked into if there was any kind of quid pro quo on his "quirky" decision to sponsor legislation/efforts to help foreign fashion models get into the states?
NY reporter that he called the cops on:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/ca.....Id=5912518
Luckily she got some revenge: she was the one that prompted Breitbart to hijack the podium at Wiener's press conference.
Ha!
He should resign because of his lousy votes.
Whether he should resign or not, I wonder how effective he can be at representing his district. Will other members of the House take him seriously at all; will he be able to get anything of significance accomplished? Or should he exit gracefully and allow someone without the same taint (yes, I went there) take his place?
535 completely ineffective Congresscritters that no one trusts or takes seriously is my dream Congress.
Why would you assume that the average member of congress has enough of a moral compass to care---beyond not holding photo ops with the guy---what sort of person our Disgraced Figure of the Moment is?
I say go. While I am sympathetic to the lame duck philosophy, I would like to see maximum pain and suffering. Tears. Scorched earth. And, ideally, no Spitzer-like rebirth into punditry. Not out of any specific cockpic-related hate, but a more general "nothing's so bad a politician doesn't deserve it" sort of ill will.
I dunno. I could see a future for him as a chat show host. Give him a chair and a serious guest to interview about the pressing issues of the day, and he could really surprise you with his education and insight.
Of course, he would do all the interviews without pants on.
Oprah has left a gaping hole to fill, it's true.
Frankly, I'm not convinced Weiner can fill it.
I can imagine Weiner doing that... with relish.
Come on Dagny, don't you want to watch my new show I am pitching to CNN? It will be a political round table composed of nothing but male politicians and talking heads who have been the subjects of sex scandals. We will call it "The Weiner Group". And it will sold as a serious show with no mention of the scandals. We will just let them sit up there and wonder what they all have in common.
John, you weren't listening to 96.9 FM in Boston this morning, were you? The hosts of that drive time talk show suggested that Weiner and Spitzer should team up and do a show like you are suggesting.
The Spitz on Weiner show?
Or Weiner-Spitz. Either way works.
The talk show hosts suggested Weiner-Spitz.
Yesterday I suggested he do it with Barney Frank, and call it the Frank 'n' Weiner Show.
I will keep posting that until someone laughs.
Should he resign? Unless he broke the law, that decision should be left to the voters in his district.
Will he resign? Absolutely. Apparently, Mrs. Weiner has worked for Hillary since 1996, and Bill considers her "like a daughter". No doubt, the two of them have plenty enough clout to destroy a junior member of the party.
Hillary didn't get revenge for the Lewinsky scandal, but she can live vicariously through Huma, and crush this little Weiner like a worm.
Will he resign? Absolutely.
Agree. Just a matter of time.
I'll wager he's out by ... Flag Day!
Hillary will squeeze the juice out of Weiner?
i feel for Huma Weiner...
If I can't trust his honesty on something inconsequential and frivolous, I sure can't trust it on something important.
Why would you trust anyone with a congressional honorific in their name?
This. Yo, we already didn't trust him based on his day job.
Well, I didn't, but some people out there are under the misapprehension politicians aren't liars.
Which reminds me. I need to write my state level elected officials about stupid rules.
something inconsequential and frivolous
WTF?!
this prick caught in lies
instead of shrinking away
he's cock of the walk
a message for me?
click it, oh double click it
weiner picture, esc
There once was a man using Twitter,
whos believed he could be no fitter.
He tweeted his wang,
to a bird who sang,
and now his career's in the shitter.
+1
Even with the typo? With all the rhymes for twitter and the abundance of euphemisms for cock, this is a limerick goldmine.
There once was a dude on the Twitter,
messaging a co-ed he can't quit her.
He tweeted his "name",
to a lass wanting fame,
sending Andy Breitbart all a'titter!
C- for the clunky meter.
anonymous comes
seeking glory through critique
offering naught else
There once was a man from New York
who thought it safe to send pics of his dork
but to his dismay
the op-eds did say
it still counts if you only cyber-pork
more!
There once was a man on the Hill,
Who was wed by a guy named Bill,
After the social media,
He called Expedia,
Reservations, a room in Fishkill.
Libertarians on Hit and Run
Can't decide which would be the more fun:
Should he hang for his crime
On the taxpayer's dime
Or is his hanging over and done?
there once was a party of hacks,
who played around on constituent's backs
their high ground was moral
in declarations mostly oral
but results seem to come from their cracks
Just change "bird" to "birdy" or "coed" and you'll fix the meter.
There once was a man in DC,
with a wang he thought girls should see.
He tweeted a pic,
but made a wrong click,
and from now on a punchline he'll be.
There once was an assbag named Tony
Who claimed the twitpic was a phony
Before his big speech
The podium was breached
By a man who deserves a Marconi
Yeah, I know. Breitbart doesn't have a radio show. Sue me. You try to rhyme with phony.
There once was a Congressman Weiner,
whom everyone thought was much keener.
He sent a pic of his dick
to a chick with a click,
now the laughter can hardly get meaner.
Just change-
Stop right there. I refuse to compromise my art.
A Congressman named Tony Weiner
Tweeted naughty pics even obscener
His pics of his pecs
And allegations of sex
Made him wish he never had seen her
It just gets worse and worse. Make it stop.
Pictures of wiener
Tweeting - is past tense "have twat"?
Awful limericks
A congressman who is not gay,
was seeking a virtual lay,
but the address was wrong
and we all saw his schlong,
now in Congress few wish he would stay.
The congressman (present career)
enjoyed the occasional leer.
A pic of his fly,
then lie after lie:
one wrong click can be very dear.
A gasbag was zooming along,
but liked to take pics of his dong.
Now they're on the news,
with millions of views,
and Congress won't want him for long.
An arrogant man from New York,
Republicans he liked to torque.
A tweet of his meat
he can never delete,
now into his job goes the fork.
Congressman Weiner had nerve.
From statism he'd never swerve.
But the pics of his pecs
and the browser-based sex
mean that everyone laughs at the perv.
A Weiner with plenty of snark,
had habits he kept in the dark.
Now his life's just debris,
'cause he did not foresee,
a tweet that could leave such a mark.
A congressman, now very nervous,
knows he's done his new wife a disservice.
With his dick on display,
he can no longer say,
that it's all just constituent service.
In Washington he was excelling.
No more, since he tweeted his swelling.
One click of a mouse,
now he's seen as a louse,
and fewer will buy what he's selling.
This fellow who lived in DC,
a future he thought he could see,
but some dick pics on Twitter
sent his plans down the shitter,
now a giggle he'll forever be.
The spaghetti-against-the-wall technique. I like it.
Papaya, does your mother know your loosing sleep over a Weiner...?
I'm keeping late hours these days, there's a time zone difference, and I'm having fun writing these. Here are more:
A Weiner who seemed pretty clean,
loved photos (he did like to preen).
But a pic of his tent
in a tweet, got missent,
and now public, it can't be unseen.
A man with a pretty good life,
he reveled in partisan strife.
But his digital flings,
with those pics to young things,
are quite hard to explain to a wife.
A congressman (New York elite),
had a thing about showing his meat.
To mayor he'd go,
but now he's a schmoe,
and his home life, at present: not sweet.
A lawmaker, born in New York,
was trolling for coeds to pork.
With his pec implants bare,
and his tool in the air,
but alas, he just looks like a dork.
still think this the best one ^^^
shit, i meant it for the "constituent service"...
classic!
Thanks, yes, that's one of my favorites. I like York/torque/fork a lot, too.
Tony who in D.C. makes his living
now in lymericks most unforgiving
his creepy lifestyle
that went on for awhile
is the new gift that keeps on giving
There seems no doubt that Weiner's ambitions to become mayor of New York have suffered a major setback.
Because if there's one thing NYC won't stand for, it's being ruled by a hypocritically workplace-sex-scandalized TV personality who's overstayed his public welcome.
And fascist boors! They HATE those.
Please. Weiner became mayor this week.
What say you, gentle readers? Should Weiner resign and why (or why not)?
Which one guarantees less posts on this subject on Reason hit and Run?
Are you saying that H&R is populated by adolescents?
"By demonstrating that he's as good a liar as he is an apologizer"
I didn't think it was that good of a lie.
A prank ... because of my name ... Yeah, that's the ticket!
Can you imagine the pictures if his name was "Asswipe"?
(Pronounced OZ weepay)
It's pronounced AZ weepay
no, no, Ah swee pay...
I'm firming up my position on this, and hardening my resolve. I'll stiffly thrust away at any suggestions I resign.
I know I've aroused suspicions as to my left leaning positions, however I have a full package of propositions for Mr. Johnson to consider. Once you've inspected the handful of hard charging plans I've prepared for you, I'm sure you will come around to my way of thinking.
Who the fuck cares? Shouldn't libertarians be pro do-whatever-you-want-in-your-private-life?
If you care (and live in NY) then vote him out. If you don't, then re-elect him. But there's no reason to resign if he can still do his job.
[If he can't get re-elected, then he could step down to help out his party.]
Btw, this is a lot different from what happened to Chris Lee. Lee belongs to the Evangelical/Family Values/anti-gay party.
He posted a pic flashing a gay sign, looking for a homosexual hook up. That's hypocrisy.
AFAIK Weiner hasn't campaigned on family values or stamping out straight sex or what-have-you.
The only really good reason I can see for throwing him out of office is that he's either dumb or makes poor decisions and doesn't think of the long-term/consequences. That's not what I'm looking for in a politician.
But in the end, is he really going to be any different from anyone else from the 2 parties?
Well Weiner did support increasing fines for "indeceny on broadcast"
http://www.buzzmachine.com/2011/06/07/i-was-wrong/
Shouldn't libertarians be pro do-whatever-you-want-in-your-private-life?
Libertarian =/= libertine.
---"Shouldn't libertarians be pro do-whatever-you-want-in-your-private-life?"---
According to one of the women, he called her from his office phone. She found out when she tried to call him back and got a message saying it was a Congessional line for outgoing calls only.
And since his votes on most bills affect the country at large, the country at large is allowed to have an opinion on the matter.
Factor 1: Personality "Aggressive narcissism"
Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)
Callous/lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Factor 2: Case history "Socially deviant lifestyle".
Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Poor behavioral control
Lack of realistic long-term goals
Impulsivity
Irresponsibility
Juvenile delinquency
Early behavior problems
Revocation of conditional release
What are you saying?
So you've met my sister?
some people call it undaunted consistency
others call it stalking...
weiner should do whatever the hell he wants to do and all the sniveling reporter fucks should take their comments and text them to themselves. I personally hope he stays and tells pelosi to fuck off. As penn gillete said in his bullshit drug war show, "weiner for christ sake, weiner, weiner, weiner, fuck".
Let the people of his district decide.
I'd personally like him to stay now that he has so effectively neutered himself. Who in Congress is going to take anything this twit says seriously? Um, no one, not even his confreres.
The cover up is worse than the crime.
If he'd said "Yeah I did it. It was stupid. I won't do it again." from the start it would be one thing. Lying to everyone for a week puts it in another category.
^^^^ This.
I could care less about him being a skeezeball but the way he denied everything and tried to blame others was inexcusable. It's the same with the Clinton deal. Screwing a fat and ugly intern in oval office isn't a crime, but lying about it under oath most certainly is.
Exactly. Watch the ABC news clip that is floating around where he denies it and claims he was a victim of a crime. It is really creepy how easily and well he lies. He has no business in public office and clearly has no conscience or sense of shame.
""He has no business in public office and clearly has no conscience or sense of shame.""
Isn't no conscience or sense of shame a requirement for Congress?
Elected official denies his questionable actions, film at 11.
For about the last 40 years it has been a requirement. But we can change that.
Much, much longer than that.
""But we can change that.""
To whom are you placing faith? The pols? The citizen?
I'm pretty sure sex scandals and breaches of trust in government have been around longer that we've been a country. How quickly word gets around and the amount of media outlets it can travel and be discussed ad nausuem is what has changed in the last 100 years.
Ahem!
Don't care.
WEINER! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
That never gets old.
Donald Trump said that all Weiner has to do is release the short form of his junk shot & no more questions would need to be asked.
There's no happy ending.
"He's too big to flail!"
In Soviet Russia, politician shit on YOU!
Ohm wait...
Too bad Wiener and Jeb Bush are from opposite sides of the political spectrum. It'd be a great ticket.
Indeed it would be.
Well there's always Johnson/Bush to fall back on.
I like the sound of that.
The demographics are unbeatable...heh, UNBEATABLE
Not from the Onion:
http://www.weiner.house.gov/is.....spx?id=844
But he is not a hypocrite like the Republicans.
Wait...now he's a sexual predator?
Confucius say, "Man with penis name should not get cocky on Twitter."
LOL
damn me to hell, but I did LOL at that...
Finally, someone did.
+1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....age#t=861s
What is he saying at 14:33? Sounds like "I don't know where to get it"
Weiner looked pretty steamed during his presser yesterday. He may think this will pass, but the Dem leadership is going to spread the mustard on him. He remains in a bit of a pickle. It's a good thing there are no pictures of his onions floating around, which are about to be diced to a point that will make anyone around him cry too. I don't relish the position he's in. How could he not expect the truth to ketchup to him? This story was just too juicy to ignore, as what he did was definitely not Kosher.
(Sorry about the innuendo... I know it's corny.)
He will resign. If there is one thing we know about a Weiner, is that it will split if you apply enough heat.
helz yeah +1
Think about the precedent being set: if it's okay for topless shots of Anthony Weiner, then you've opened the door to topless shots of Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Henry Waxman. . .
Our national nightmare must end before then.
What straping young frat boy wouldn't want Nancy tweeting him the Full Pelosi?
Are you serious?! Are you serious?!
I don't think we have a right to demand anybody resign. Either they resign because they think it's best, we throw their asses out based on rules that say we can, or we let it go and let the voters deal with it.
If he did something that the rules say he needs to get thrown out, then throw his ass out. Otherwise, it's up to him. I've always hated this "fire him by forcing him to resign stuff."
I see what you are saying. But what if you get someone who is a serious degenerate like Larry Craig. How can you have a Senator who is some kind of deviated sex addict who cruises for blowjobs in airport bathrooms while married? There should be a way to kick these creeps out between elections.
Well unless there are specific rules in place which state this sort of behavior gets you pitched, I don't see how you can and not risk the method being used to go after people for specifically partisan political reasons.
Maybe some congressional rules should be established that govern the behavior of its members whether acting in the personal lives or not. But I think that's what you'd need in order to justify throwing the guys out. Otherwise I think the results of an election have to stand until the next election or until the guy voluntarily steps down.
How can you have a Senator who is some kind of deviated sex addict who cruises for blowjobs in airport bathrooms while married? There should be a way to kick these creeps out between elections.
If someone did that but wasn't married, would you demand he be kicked out off-cycle?
The voters can apply any criteria they want at the next election, but "doing stuff that John finds icky during one's private time" doesn't strike me as an impeachable offense.
Impeachable offenses should be violating the Constitution, which is what virtually everyone in Congress does right from the get-go. That, to me, is more disturbing.
I'll take a private perv with some really icky sexual habits who in public life upholds the constitution as written, over a squeaky-clean sex life but hardcore statist. That choice isn't even close for me.
Exactly!
""I don't think we have a right to demand anybody resign."'
Maybe their constituents.
Maybe, but then they have the ability to deal with him at the polls if he doesn't.
I just don't like forced "resignations" as I find it a deception. He should either quit because he thinks he should (with pressure from his constituents being one possible reason why), or be fired because the rules say he needs to be.
IOW, either it's his decision or he should be impeached or we should wait until the next election.
I am sure he will keep servicing his district as he has so far.
Did anyone hear Benjy from Howard Stern at the end of the press conference? Priceless.
Weiner apologized to God, Mother...
Which one is Nancy Pelosi again?
Resign or not I'd like to see a suicide attempt (preferably successful), followed by Congress passing a well-funded "Weiner's-Law" for suicide prevention or "adult sexting-addiction awareness" or something.
"Weiner's-Law"
I would relish that.
I say we have a time set aside every year to consider the harm done by sexting...we would call it "weiner time"
Of course, the law of unintended consequences guarantees more sexting is sent during this 69 seconds than any other time...
too bad that Congressman Jim Bunn from Oregon is no longer in office...
it could have been Bunn, bringing the Weiner bill, up for a vote...
I'm more concerned this episode will result in a law prohibiting "bullying" someone because of his/her name.
I don't think he's morally obligated to resign, since he didn't betray a direct public trust, but I think resigning is probably politically a good idea at this point, since it's the best outcome tactically for the Democrats and if he loses his seat, his best hope for political rehabilitation is through an appointed position.
While he has a relatively safe seat, this is a notable enough scandal to put it in play - the pics allow attacks on his values and more importantly the lies allow his credibility to be attacked and he only has a year for it to fade from memory since it's a House seat. He might be able to hang on, but a Democratic candidate without the baggage would be a lock for the seat, so he's either going to face a hard general election or a primary challenge. That's going to draw resources from the Dems to hold onto a seat that is only likely to be in play if Weiner decides to hang on.
Even more importantly, the longer this stays in the news cycle, the more chances Breitbart gets to go on TV and sound credible. That's going to hurt Democrats in 2012, since their main tactic for countering him has been to attack his credibility and he's undoubtedly going to come up with something damaging to push in that election cycle. Weiner knowingly making false accusations against Breitbart has already given him something convenient to trot out when they go after his credibility, and keeping this story alive just digs the hole deeper.
Hang on, Weiner!
"" since he didn't betray a direct public trust,""
Not in sending the photos. But the lying about it does. Of course assuming there is such a thing as public trust.
I think public trust is more of a fools game we play on ourselves.
While he has a relatively safe seat
His seat was on the short list for being eliminated as one of the two NY lost in the census. I would say its a virtual lock, now.
We elect representative officials with the hopes that they will exhibit sound judgement. This event displays his apparent lack of impulse control and seems to indicate that he makes decisions based on passion, and not thoughtful intellectual analysis.
That's giving the electorate a lot of credit.
Good point. Perhaps "we" is a bit too all inclusive.
If we set the bar for being in Congress at "Does not make decisions based on passion, but uses thoughtful intellectual analysis" . . . . Well, you can see where I'm going.
What a horrible, horrible world that would be.
*shudders*
*grabs Nanny State doll and hugs it tight*
Each of us will use our own litmus test, I suppose. IMHO, Weiner used such bad judgement using social media (something for which he is known as "savvy"), that I would not trust him in any sort of decision-making capacity short of what time to have lunch.
He should be forced out because he has the intellect and character of a high school boy.
If we set the bar for being in Congress at "Does not have the intellect . . . ." etc.
The guy's conduct makes him a blatant target for blackmail, and he's already demonstrated that his instinct is to lie and cover it up. I really don't want him in a position to pay for his indiscretions with tax dollars and political favors.
How about if he pays for it with his own money and private favors?
That's between him and his silent business partners.
He should probably hang in there. Clinton is far and away the most popular political figure in the country. People aren't so prudish. Your allies on the religious right are always sticking their dicks in something, and the faithful forgive them. I think you dickless libertarians suffer from penis envy.
Dickless libertarians, my ass!
Show it to me, showit to me!
I hate government regulation!
Off topic, but is it true that Rand Paul's sister is also his mother? That would explain a lot.
D-
You know wHat....At least, he is Tweeting Women.
You guys have Larry Craig.
So, then, can you explain the libertarian principle that supports "You can't do whatever you want in your private life"? AKA - "We get to have a say in how you conduct your private life."
After he resigns, he'll still be absolutely free to tweet his junk to his heart's content, and lie about it, and threaten reporters who report it.
NM: "So, then, can you explain the libertarian principle that supports "You can't do whatever you want in your private life"? AKA - "We get to have a say in how you conduct your private life."
You can't do whatever you want; you can't harm the person or property of another.
BigT,
I appreciate that. And it applies to this situation how?
It is funny NM. You never seemed to have much to say when one of these deviants is a Republican. But amazingly enough you show up all concerned about prying into people's private lives when it is a Democrat.
Why don't you just post "GO TEAM BLUE" and save the effort? You can do that and slavishly toe the lion on global warming and pretty much sums up your contributions here.
It is funny NM. You never seemed to have much to say when one of these deviants is a Republican.
True. I don't have much to say about this either for that matter. But I do find it odd that people are making such a big deal out of this, so I have asked some questions to better understand why people care.
But amazingly enough you show up all concerned about prying into people's private lives when it is a Democrat.
I am concerned?
Odd, I don't feel concerned.
I am mainly baffled that everyone else is so concerned about what a middle aged man uses for masturbation motivation.
Why don't you just post "GO TEAM BLUE" and save the effort?
Ummm, 'cuz I am not a Democrat, perhaps.
You can do that and slavishly toe the lion on global warming and pretty much sums up your contributions here.
If you say so. I assume this is one of your subtle arguments that you keep telling me about.
"Ummm, 'cuz I am not a Democrat, perhaps."
You just will defend them on anything and hold them to a much lower standard than you do Republicans. But you are not a "Democrat". Whatever gets you through the night I guess.
You just will defend them on anything and hold them to a much lower standard than you do Republicans. But you are not a "Democrat". Whatever gets you through the night I guess.
I hold them to a much lower standard? How so?
I'm guessing he resigns within a week.
He's proven that he's not smart enough to go with his gut. I think he'll stay.
However, I think his wife will leave his sorry ass very soon.
I thought his thingy was kind of cute.
Lying is standard practice in political office, so that part isn't hard to swallow... But yeah, it will be hard for him to debate without everyone envisioning that photo--forever. (And the far worse ones yet to come.)
The mockery will be pure torture, so he should resign for his own sanity.
If it's anyone else in congress, I say stay. Because he has verbally, obnoxiously assisted in the drumming out of past reprobates, he should be thrown out. Plus, he's the sort of smarmy Yid that deserves it.
Breitbart just said the Media Matters, MSNBC, and the White House coordinate to put talking points on the lips of Maddow, O'donnell, etc on O'reilly.
The rebuttal will be hilarious. I can hear the deep voice of that man Maddow now. "We are not fundraisers for a political party like Fox".
*I don't agree with Fox nor MSNBC. Both deserved to be mocked.
This headline gave me lulz:
Social-Media Sites Turn Out to Present One More Land Mine for Politicians
I keep making cracks about it, but apparently there's more truth to it than even I admitted.
Social networking can be a "landmine" for politicians.
Good grief! "Landmine" usually implies a hidden, secret explosive that the unwitting victim triggers causing great damage to himself.
Since when was sending pictures of your junk to other people a 'landmine'?
If I walk out to the telephone pole outside and post up a pic of Little Paul with my name, address and phone number underneath it, am I really going to be shocked and surprised if other people see it?
Are politicians really this dumb to think that releasing data into the wild represents an unexpected result, described as a "landmine"?
John
I see what you are saying. But what if you get someone who is a serious degenerate like Larry Craig.
A serious degenerate? Where is the John that always so staunchly decries homophobic language from others? Craig was a serious hypocrite, but I don't think degenerate is a good descriptor.
How can you have a Senator who is some kind of deviated sex addict who cruises for blowjobs in airport bathrooms while married?
Really, you need to get out of the house more often. Married gay man of Craig's generation looking for anonymous sex from men is not, I would estimate, that far off the norm for married gay men of his generation.
There should be a way to kick these creeps out between elections.
Yeah, can't have people who enjoy blowjobs running the country. It might lead to blowjobs being, I don't know, legal and shit.
Now you are just stretching. "I can't say with certitude" is not a well formed lie. It is a lie that comes from the mouth of someone that knows that the jig is gonna be up soon. Good lies don't have that kind of hedging around them.
"Listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."
Full Stop. No hedging.
Or
You are an idiot John.
B.L.U.E.GO GO GO
GOOOOOO TEAM BLUE
You are a clown NM. You are worse than Tony and Chad. At least they are honest about who they are. You have an amazing dishonest smugness that really puts you in a class by yourself.
The guy got up on national TV and swore with a straight face that he didn't do it and he was the victim of a crime knowing full well he was guilty. And your excuse is that "is not a well formed lie". I am sure you would go to such lengths to excuse the guy if he wasn't part of beloved Team Blue.
You have now taken the crown from MNG (who last held it for claiming that a cartoon that showed an Aryan super hero saving babies from being mutilated by religious Jews was not anti-Semitic) as the most shameless defender of the indefensible.
Congratulations. I am sure you will wear the crown well.
Oh this is fun.
John|6.8.11 @ 3:16AM|#
B.L.U.E.GO GO GO
GOOOOOO TEAM BLUE
You are a clown NM. You are worse than Tony and Chad. At least they are honest about who they are. You have an amazing dishonest smugness that really puts you in a class by yourself.
While I agree that I am in a class by myself, I never hide my political affiliations. I am an independent, environmentalist, I vote across parties regularly. Don't confuse me not being on YOUR team as being the same thing as being on YOUR Enemy's team.
The guy got up on national TV and swore with a straight face that he didn't do it and he was the victim of a crime knowing full well he was guilty.
That is true.
And your excuse is that "is not a well formed lie".
I didn't excuse him. I criticized his execution of the lie.
I am sure you would go to such lengths to excuse the guy if he wasn't part of beloved Team Blue.
Again, saying he can't even tell a well formed lie is hardly excusing his behavior. I think you are over interpreting things here because you see things through such a partisan lens yourself.
You have now taken the crown from MNG (who last held it for claiming that a cartoon that showed an Aryan super hero saving babies from being mutilated by religious Jews was not anti-Semitic) as the most shameless defender of the indefensible.
Wait...there's prizes? Oh goody.
Congratulations. I am sure you will wear the crown well.
I'll try to use it to defend you next time you -
1) defend torture
2) defend limits on the freedom of speech
3) defend out involvement in Iraq
When have I ever argued for limits on the first Amendment?
When trying to defend Rand Paul.
And you "regularly cross party lines" name five times you have ever defended a Republican on here with links. Until you can do that, admit you are the partisan you are.
there is nothing wrong with being partisan. Just stop being a smug douche acting like you are somehow above that when in fact that is exactly what you are.
Well, I am too lazy to meet your challenge...but I "defended" Larry Craig in this here thread. I would have defended Lee had I even noticed the scandal.
And just for the record - "regularly cross party lines" refers to voting for Republicans. In the last election the split was about 40% D, 35% R, the rest third party or independent candidates.
there is nothing wrong with being partisan.
I am sure you believe that.
"I can't say with certitude" Of course he could say with certitude. He knew it was him the moment he saw it. That is the definition of a well formed lie. It shows that he thought through it and knew he couldn't be unequivocal because he wasn't sure what else Breitbart had. A "non well formed lie" would be a quick "of course that is not me". In other words something you would say before you thought about it and had time to think of weasel words.
"I can't say with certitude" Of course he could say with certitude. He knew it was him the moment he saw it. That is the definition of a well formed lie.
No, a well formed lie is one that fools people. He wasn't fooling anyone...was he?
It shows that he thought through it and knew he couldn't be unequivocal because he wasn't sure what else Breitbart had. A "non well formed lie" would be a quick "of course that is not me". In other words something you would say before you thought about it and had time to think of weasel words.
He didn't think it through very carefully or choose good weasel words. He talked himself into a corner and instantly looked like a liar. For god's sake it was such a bad lie that his buddy focused on it and did an entire comedy bit on what a bad lie it was.
That clip has been put up by people on both sides as an example of what a creepy liar he is. You are the only one, sans maybe the guy's mother, who is defending him on this. I don't know what else to tell you.
Again..."defending him" is not what I did. I said you were being an idiot to feign amazement at how creepy his skill as a liar was. He is not a skilled liar. Attacking you for attacking someone might be construed as defense, I suppose. But I am not defending his lie. I am saying he did it poorly.
There are many masters of the lie in Washington. This guy ain't one of them.
And Stewart barely laid a glove on him. He prefaced the whole damned routine with "well I guess I have to do this so I can at least pretend to be something other than what I am".
Come to think of it, are you John Stewart?
And of course like all good blue team red team partisans you go with the tried and true "they did it too and were worse" defense as if somehow gives your team a license to steal.
And of course like all good blue team red team partisans you go with the tried and true "they did it too and were worse" defense as if somehow gives your team a license to steal.
Who is the "they" in what I posted? I posted a master of lies from each of the big parties. You really aren't very good at this are you?
Oh that is right, you did mention Clinton. I guess since he cannot run for office anymore, you can admit he lied. I wonder what you were saying back in 1998 when it mattered? Gee I wonder.
Re: Clinton. Depends upon what you mean. I felt the scandal was silly. Worse than Weiner, for sure, but hardly worth much effort by the press or public.
I did feel like Reagan's scandal was worth people's attention. I was very impressed with his ability to lie at the time. That excerpt is from one of the great public lies in our public record. Really. Analyze it. It an artful example of misdirection.
Hey, I don't know how it works in New York, but in Massachusetts you can kill someone, run a brothel out of your DC apartment, or have sex with an underage Congressional page and STILL keep your seat in Congress!
Not just keep your seat but use that seat and your position of leadership to make your boyfriend millions and do more than any other single man to ruin the world economy.
But Bawney is a great interview and he is gay, so it must okay.
I wonder if Clinton exercised Primae Noctis on Weiner's wedding night? Bill or Hillary.
I wonder if Clinton exercised Primae Noctis on Weiner's wedding night? Bill or Hillary.
He should resign, because he regularly violates his oath to uphold the constitution, not because he likes to display he is a whiner.
99.9% of the congresscritters should resign. I don't think I need to explain any further to Reason readers.
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