Electrode Enhanced Learning -- Anything Wrong With That?
Nature News is reporting experiments in which running just a little bit of current through the front of a person's brain appears to dramatically improve his or her ability to learn. While acknowledging that some hokey claims have been made for transcranial direct-current stimulation, Nature reports:
Last year a succession of volunteers sat down in a research lab in Albuquerque, New Mexico to play DARWARS Ambush!, a video game designed to train US soldiers bound for Iraq. Each person surveyed virtual landscapes strewn with dilapidated buildings and abandoned cars for signs of trouble — a shadow cast by a rooftop sniper, or an improvised explosive device behind a rubbish bin. With just seconds to react before a blast or shots rang out, most forgot about the wet sponge affixed to their right temple that was delivering a faint electric tickle. The volunteers received a few milliamps of current at most, and the simple gadget used to deliver it was powered by a 9-volt battery.
It might sound like some wacky garage experiment, but Vincent Clark, a neuroscientist at the University of New Mexico, says that the technique, called transcranial direct-current stimulation (tDCS), could improve learning. The US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency funded the research in the hope that it could be used to sharpen soldiers' minds on the battlefield. Yet for all its simplicity, it seems to work.
Volunteers receiving 2 milliamps to the scalp (about one-five-hundredth the amount drawn by a 100-watt light bulb) showed twice as much improvement in the game after a short amount of training as those receiving one-twentieth the amount of current. "They learn more quickly but they don't have a good intuitive or introspective sense about why," says Clark. …
…tDCS is also receiving attention for its potential to enhance the minds of healthy people. In addition to Clark's work showing enhanced ability to see concealed threats, other studies with tDCS have shown improvements in working memory, word association and complex problem-solving. Most of these studies address scientific questions — but one neuroscientist unabashedly aims to boost the brains of healthy people.
Allan Snyder, director of the Centre for the Mind at the University of Sydney in Australia, hopes to develop "a thinking cap", a tDCS device that corporate executives or advertising copywriters might use to bump up their creativity before walking into a brainstorming meeting. Snyder is cagey about how far he is in product development — but his latest demonstration, published this February, garnered plenty of attention. Snyder claims to have boosted people's flair for sudden insight by stimulating their anterior temporal lobes. People who received tDCS were two to three times more likely than those receiving sham stimulation to solve a creativity problem in which they raced against the clock to spell out maths equations with matchsticks.
Naturally, some ethicists are worried about the morality of using the technique:
… wider adoption raises ethical concerns similar to those that surround mind-enhancing drugs such as Adderall and Modafinil, which some students take as study aids. Students might secretly 'electrodope' with tDCS before a university entrance exam to inflate their scores. Ethicists worry that this will give some an unfair advantage or create a culture in which people feel pressured to use such devices. None of the studies published so far have shown a type of mind-sharpening that would help in such exams, says Farah, but that might simply be a matter of targeting the right brain areas. "It would not surprise me" if such effects were possible, she says.
If everyone has access and it's voluntary, I see no ethical problem with using tDCS.
Caveat: I personally would wait for the commercialization of the "thinking cap" rather than rig up some wires and a 9-volt battery at home.
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Students might secretly 'electrodope' with tDCS before a university entrance exam to inflate their scores
Oh noes, people doing well is bad, mm'kay?
Note the immediate, immediate association with drugs through the use of the suffix "-dope" to discredit it. These people are fucking scum.
This is reminiscent of the whole "bibliodoping" scandal that occurred at the dawn of human civilization.
What do you mean you can't remember the 40,000 word of the Odyssey?
Which reminds me I really need to load up on some more nootropics...
Which ones have you tried?
I usually go for a combination of piracetam and selegiline (and nicotine and caffeine, of course). It works well enough that I really haven't explored beyond those two. As far as effects, it's subtle but it tends to make learning and retaining things much easier, like the difference in absorption between a piece of paper and a towel.
Does this mean all those guys who rode Old Sparky to the Great Beyond can be said to have learned their lesson?
^nice
They should try it with 1.21 Gigawatts!
I can see potential problems
I see watt you did there.
Shocking.
...Only because evil corporations will charge too much.
...which would be revolt-ing.
We must resist this.
do you get the same effect if you stick your dick into a wall socket? yes you learn to never do it again. A great leap forward.
Naturally, some ethicists are worried about the morality of using the technique
Prissy concern trolls are, ummm, prissy; and concerned.
I don't understand this at all. Where's the morality in leaning something? If they found out that making a mnemonic helped you memorize a list, is that immoral? What about singing a little song?
But whoa... electricity! That's immoral! And take off those eyeglasses while you are at it - it gives you an unfair advantage in reading!
The cautionary note would be on the effectiveness and potential side effects of the method. Any concern for your immortal soul or some societal morality is just stupidly misplaced.
could disable your moral center.
http://www.ted.com/talks/rebec.....ments.html
If the DOD's not looking into that, then they're slacking. They should get Jean-Claude to consult.
The list of potential benefits keeps getting longer.
personally would wait for the commercialization of the "thinking cap" rather than rig up some wires and a 9-volt battery at home.
It's just this little chromium switch here. You people are sooooo superstitious.
Seriously, what a pussy. Oh, I am afraid to electrify my brain!
I'm looking forward to the day when I can say into my cellphone, "Tank, I need a B212 helicopter pilot training program," and then hop in that sucker and fly it.
Will you be wearing a PVC cat suit while you say it?
No, but hopefully the smoking hot brunette next to me will be.
Put your tongue on the end of telephone connection-that should do the trick 😉
The Dr. Emilio Lizardo Method!
I'd like to see the schematics for this device so I could build my own. 2Ma isn't enough to cause any damage to human tissues, though about 6Ma could disrupt the heart.
about 6Ma could disrupt the heart.
Try stopping at 5.999 mA.
about 6Ma could disrupt the heart.
So in other words, harmless to libertarians.
about 6Ma could disrupt the heart
Even if administered at the scalp?
http://www.vidisonic.com/2008/.....g-circuit/
The bias voltage of a silicon junction is about .6 volts, so a resistor value of about 300 ohms will limit current to about 2 mA.
There is a downside for reason. If it works, donations to political cults fall off.
Max, you are a joy
Let me guess- you're out of batteries.
Worse. He has lived in an EMP field his entire life.
Weird Science!
I had the idea for an electric hat years ago. I had more in mind something that would stimulate the pleasure centers - which I still think is a good idea - but making it easier to learn is cool too.
I seem to remember running across an online community devoted to electro-brain stimulation and charting it's effects. You can build your own kit for like 2 or 3 hundred (most of the cost is the interface for the opensource eeg software).
I wonder if they found an intelligence boost while employing ECT for clinical depression?
"Ethicists worry that this will give some an unfair advantage..."
LOL!!!
If you want unfair advantage, just write "African-American" on the entrance exam.
Zapppffft!
OMG - I burned off all the hair on my head!
"Caveat: I personally would wait for
the commercialization of the "thinking cap" rather than rig up some wires and a 9-volt battery at home."
NOW YOU TELL - WOULDN'T THE DISCLAIMER HAVE BEEN BETTER AT THE FRONT OF THE ARTICLE? After all, some one willing to electro juice themselves ain't fully charged to being with...
Soon they won't be laughing at our tinfoil hats...
I want one.
WUBBA WUBBA WUBBA!
I tried it. Long term results, not good.
I was annoyed at the setup. The pleasure centers were stimulated at the onset of seizures, so of course the brain "learned" how to activate the stimulation.
Didn't they do something similar to boost problem solving in the movie "Swordfish"? I think I liked their method better.... minus the gun to the temple, of course...
I hear Reason is manufacturing their own tinfoil hats to give as a bonus during fundraising. It will carefully avoid stimulating the compassion center of the brain.
Now, this isn't realistic. I'm sure all the compassionate people would threaten us to put us in cages for trying to do something like that. For our own good of course...
Volunteers receiving 2 milliamps to the scalp (about one-five-hundredth the amount drawn by a 100-watt light bulb) showed twice as much improvement in the game after a short amount of training as those receiving one-twentieth the amount of current.
Ummm, how do those two groups compare to the control groups -- the ones with electrodes but no current at all flowing through (basically, the placebo group), and the group with no electrodes or nothing at all, the non-placebo group?
Leaving out these control groups makes the results worthless.
Killjoy
The results aren't conclusive, nor would they be with your modification.
I think it is important to show that merely feeling a tingle does not dupe people into thinking "hey, its working".
I was struck by lightning once and could kill with my thoughts. Then I pissed on an electric fence and forgot how.
Dude, you should write a screenplay about that. It would make a cool movie.
or a cool Ren & Stimpy episode...
I find the threat of electric shocks to be an excellent teaching tool. Just ignore their screams of pain.
personally would wait for the commercialization of the "thinking cap
So what you're REALLY saying is that you want the Kocktopus to profit from this. Don't let the kids from Weird Science or Uncle Rico hook you up with some good old fawshioned homemade entrepeneurialism. Nooooooo - "we need "commercialization."
Typical Reason - in bed w/teh Evul Corporashun.
Well that makes a whole lot of sense dude.
http://www.real-privacy.eu.tc
I eagerly await the Darwin award for the guy with a lightning rod attached to his tin-foil hat in a storm attempting to be a genius.
This is like the beginnings of a Mad Hatter plot from Batman...or Cybermen in the Doctor Who universe. Take your geeky pick...
Laugh it up. Where this will end is when we have to show ID and register in a Federal Database to buy rationed batteries.
I have been conducting (heh) personal experiments with 9-volt batteries at various levels of depletion, touched momentarily to the tip of my tongue. I have found a couple of things. (1) A battery that has discharged to under 7 volts, applied for about 10 seconds, has the same effect on my brain as one 5-Hour Energy. (2) The drug store now asks for my photo id when I try to purchase 9-volt batteries.
I am working to train my dogs to play dead in response to any armed incursion into my home.
I'm waiting for Toyota to come out with its hybrid brain. Just uses electricity during the week when you are at work and don't really need much thinking. Then on the weekends, it kicks over to 4-loko power for that extra thinking you need.
Finally, it was like a light went on...this story has explained what everyone means when they say that I am not the brightest bulb in the chandelier!
I need to become a juicer. Will a 9V do it?
Do these experiments explain why some people walk around 16 hrs. a day with earphones crammed in their ears?
or can I just stick a 9V up my kiester?
Once again, self identification as a "ethicist" proves a useful channel marker: the person making the claim should be treated as un-attuned to anything resembling ethics until the demonstrate otherwise.
Looks like the commercial version is here. I'm game for it:).
http://www.trans-cranial.com
From what I understand, it doesn't make you smarter, just makes the brain work more 'efficient', so I don't see any ethical problems with that... But that's just my take.