It's fairly well known that the White House took a let's-make-a-deal approach to designing last year's health care overhaul. What we don't know are the details: What sort of deals were actually made? And with what groups? The Daily Caller reports that Rep. Fred Upton, the Republican Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, is aiming to find out:
House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton is expanding his investigation into the meetings between special interest groups and the Obama White House that set the stage for the passage of Obamacare, sending document requests to 12 industry groups and unions that played a key role in the negotiations.
In April 18 letters to the groups, Upton asks for extensive details and documents about each organization's interactions with the White House in regards to the health care law. The requests come as the Obama White House has so far declined to provide its documents about the meetings.
At issue are special deals struck between interest groups and President Obama to either garner the support of major industry sectors or soften their criticism of the health care law.
It wasn't just the White House attempting to make deals. As The Hillreported in October of 2009, Democratic leadership offered doctors a bargain: Support the health care overhaul, and get a doc fix—a decade-long fix to the physicians Medicare reimbursement formula that currently calls for a nearly 30 percent fee cut—in return.
"They said they're going to need our help in getting healthcare reform over the goal line and they expect our support," said a participant who represents doctors. "Reid, Baucus and Dodd. All three said the same thing: They want and expect our support."
The docs bought in: The month after The Hill's report appeared, President Obama announced he was "extraordinarily pleased and grateful" to learn that the American Medical Association, which represents doctors, supported the deal. Maybe not that grateful, though: ObamaCare passed, but so far there's no doc fix, nor even the three or five year patch that some promoted as a compromise.
Upton's investigation isn't expected to uncover details of meetings with Sen. Reid or other congressional leaders; for now, he's only focusing on interactions with the White House. Even still, it'll be interesting to see what he digs up.
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Hurrah! They'll dig up all sorts of goodies. They can file them in the same place that the reports go when police shoot your dog, or arrest you without cause. And then they can have the same inspector general clear everyone of all charges. Maybe they'll even get a promotion out of it too...
Fred Upton, prying into the affairs of private industry simply because they may have gotten huge concessions - or worse - from government to go along. When will Congress respect our right to privacy?
Bush Treasury Sec Paul O'Neil was on 60 Minutes and held up a map of Iraq from Feb 2001 that had Iraq partitioned into quarters for BP and the three US oil companies.
The big French oil company, Total, had been left out of the fix - thus France had no interest in the imaginary "WMD".
Why a FOIA can't be used to get to Cheney's shit escapes me - Bloomberg used the FOIA to pull in the Fed's detailed transactions - but Cheney is just above God it seems.
You are literally the stupidest person that posts here. You make rectal look like Einstein. Do us all a favor and hit yourself in the head with a hammer: it'll make you smarter.
I didn't apologize for anyone, you imbecile. I didn't fall for any WMD claims either.
The fact that I have to explain this to you, even after never saying word one about apologizing for anyone, is exhibit A of how inconceivably stupid you are. I am actually amazed you can function in society. Devo's "Mongoloid" is specifically about you.
Fine. I don't care. As long as you know the Bushpigs lied to get us into Iraq. And Colin Powell should commit hari-kari on the UN steps for his force-fed lies as well.
Lies about Iraq have no bearing on your mindnumbing idiocy, you fucking retard.
You're an idiot because you're hyper spaztic dipshit, not because of what you believe. You're just fucking unbelievably dumb. Go look in the mirror and say "I'm a fucking moron" three times, and then Corky from Life Goes On will show up and explain the retard rules to you.
To put it another way, one does not have to believe your stupid masturbatory fantasies about Bush/Cheney in order to also not believe in the WMD fantasies. Or, if you like, eat shit.
Why a FOIA can't be used to get to Cheney's shit escapes me - Bloomberg used the FOIA to pull in the Fed's detailed transactions - but Cheney is just above God it seems.
Then do a FOIA request and report your findings here, Shrike.
I got the elation, hesitation, dissipation, coagulatin', relaxation, agitation [sic], emancipation, propagation, moppin', soppin', talkin' bout your coppin' blues
Mencken: "every election is an advance auction of stolen goods."
While he is at it, can Upton find out which congresscritter inserted the "1099s for everyone?"
Considering how little the public cares about the dirty deals that are done out in the open, it's doubtful that dragging those done in secret out into the sunlight is going to matter.
One reason why movie plots centering around "getting the word out" about some evil government conspiracy are so implausible; Mal can broadwave the video of the Miranda investigation onto every screen in the 'verse, but it won't matter if the viewers just flip over to their optical disc recording of Alliance Idol because mass murder is boring.
I'd say that one was a little more plausible--a whole planet died and a race of insane terrorists was created, but the point is well taken. What happens at the end of Three Days of the Condor? Even if the NYT runs the story, does it shock the public long enough for any good to come of it?
Considering how little the public cares about the dirty deals that are done out in the open, it's doubtful that dragging those done in secret out into the sunlight is going to matter.
This is why I generally don't believe in conspiracy theories.
I'm still waiting for someone to challenge the law on the grounds that the granting of dispensations--er, ah, I meant waivers--is unconstitutional, on equal protection grounds as well as separation of powers (e.g., saying a law does or does not apply to someone is a legislative, not an executive function). Can any of you conlaw guys shed any light?
Just once, I'd like someone to realize that the American Medical Association does not equal "doctors". Less than thirty percent of us belong to the AMA and of that less than thirty percent many were not too keen on the bill. Many of us did not want Obamacare, even at the cost of the "doc fix". By the way, we'd just stop taking Medicare patients because we wouldn't be making enough to meet our expenses if the SGR was allowed to continue. That'd probably be a good thing, especially since we seem to have no ability to stage a strike.
Hurrah! They'll dig up all sorts of goodies. They can file them in the same place that the reports go when police shoot your dog, or arrest you without cause. And then they can have the same inspector general clear everyone of all charges. Maybe they'll even get a promotion out of it too...
Isn't that how this game works?
Judging by the telecom illegal wiretap thing, they'll just grant everyone involved retroactive immunity.
Fred Upton, prying into the affairs of private industry simply because they may have gotten huge concessions - or worse - from government to go along. When will Congress respect our right to privacy?
I'd still like to know the details of that engery meeting Cheney had.
It ended with him shooting Big Oil in the face. But not with a shotgun.
Wouldn't political porn defeat the purpose? The viewer never get a happy ending
""It ended with him shooting Big Oil in the face""
To the tune of $150 a barrel.
That wouldn't even begin to cover the lube expenses, much less the medical bills.
Bush Treasury Sec Paul O'Neil was on 60 Minutes and held up a map of Iraq from Feb 2001 that had Iraq partitioned into quarters for BP and the three US oil companies.
The big French oil company, Total, had been left out of the fix - thus France had no interest in the imaginary "WMD".
Why a FOIA can't be used to get to Cheney's shit escapes me - Bloomberg used the FOIA to pull in the Fed's detailed transactions - but Cheney is just above God it seems.
And then Bigfoot said to Lee Harvey, I'll shoot him from the grassy knoll and you bug out right after the shots.
Looks like you fell for that WMD bullshit too.
Saddam got Yellowcake!!!!
Watch Dave Chappelle and his black Bush routine - its good therapy.
You are literally the stupidest person that posts here. You make rectal look like Einstein. Do us all a favor and hit yourself in the head with a hammer: it'll make you smarter.
There was never any WMD, you stupid fuckstain!
Sure, Rummy/Reagan sold Saddam something like WWI mustard gas they used on the Kurds in the 80s - but so fucking what?
The Bushpigs fucked us over for $2 trillion and 4400 US soldiers in Iraq and you apologize for the bastard?
I didn't apologize for anyone, you imbecile. I didn't fall for any WMD claims either.
The fact that I have to explain this to you, even after never saying word one about apologizing for anyone, is exhibit A of how inconceivably stupid you are. I am actually amazed you can function in society. Devo's "Mongoloid" is specifically about you.
No way, asshole. I said -
"Looks like you fell for that WMD bullshit too."
which you characterized this way -
"stupidest person who posts here"
So you really AGREE with me! WMD = Bullshit!
Fine. I don't care. As long as you know the Bushpigs lied to get us into Iraq. And Colin Powell should commit hari-kari on the UN steps for his force-fed lies as well.
Lies about Iraq have no bearing on your mindnumbing idiocy, you fucking retard.
You're an idiot because you're hyper spaztic dipshit, not because of what you believe. You're just fucking unbelievably dumb. Go look in the mirror and say "I'm a fucking moron" three times, and then Corky from Life Goes On will show up and explain the retard rules to you.
I nearly shat myself. Good one, Episiarch.
Obama wants you for his bloody AfricaCorps boots on the ground. When are you enlisting, warmonger?
Enlist, you warmongering fucker Shreek.
No way! Shriek had a job once? And a HAT?!?!
Just more proof that statists talk only to those who they want to be in the room, not those who are actually there.
To put it another way, one does not have to believe your stupid masturbatory fantasies about Bush/Cheney in order to also not believe in the WMD fantasies. Or, if you like, eat shit.
No. But if you can show me how Iraq was divided in the magical unicorn map of yours, I'll BELIEVE. Tighten up that tin foil buddy.
Why a FOIA can't be used to get to Cheney's shit escapes me - Bloomberg used the FOIA to pull in the Fed's detailed transactions - but Cheney is just above God it seems.
Then do a FOIA request and report your findings here, Shrike.
Why a FOIA can't be used to get to Cheney's shit escapes me
If a FOIA could successfully be used to get to Cheney's shit, a future FOIA could be used to get to Obama's shit.
TEAM RED and TEAM BLUE are both blocking such requests because they don't want their own crimes to become public knowledge.
""TEAM RED and TEAM BLUE are both blocking such requests because they don't want their own crimes to become public knowledge.""
Ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.
How can that be? We've already passed it.
Even still, it'll be interesting to see what he digs up.
Hey, Peter, let me help you with the suspense. The right Honorable Representative Fred Upton will dig up...nothing of any great import.
Do you think that industry will voluntarily risk pissing off the Executive Branch just to mollify Fred Upton?
(My next question is about selling you a time-share in Florida...)
Obama: "For a fee, I'm happy to be. . .your back door man."
We're gonna need 15% of whatever fee you collect so long as you continue to infringe on our intellectual property rights.
It's not infringement when the president does it.
Well, fuck. I've been dead for years and I STILL can't shake the blues...
I got the elation, hesitation, dissipation, coagulatin', relaxation, agitation [sic], emancipation, propagation, moppin', soppin', talkin' bout your coppin' blues
Obamacare could become America's biggest Problem Child. We need someone with really Big Balls to confront it head on.
What about us?
We have boobs and balls to spare
You mean someone who throws large dance parties?
Pro Lib, http://itunes.apple.com/us/app.....79724?mt=8
EOM
Too bad John Ritter is already dead.
There's always his son!
Hey, I'm dead too!
Big balls in Cowtown.
I'm pretty sure, that of all the things these deals could be, "Dirt Cheap" is the least likely, at least from the perspective of the US Taxpayer.
There's the parody version, where "dirty deeds" are "done to sheep."
Joel Pile. Paging Joel Pile.
Someone once mentioned to me that Joel Pile fucks sheep.
The requests come as the Obama White House has so far declined to provide its documents about the meetings.
Some red tape is more transparent than other red tape.
Fred Upton is dead to me.
Edison is dead to me
http://rctlfy.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/3167/
Isn't Fred Upton the reason my lightbulbs now contain mercury?
Mencken: "every election is an advance auction of stolen goods."
While he is at it, can Upton find out which congresscritter inserted the "1099s for everyone?"
Considering how little the public cares about the dirty deals that are done out in the open, it's doubtful that dragging those done in secret out into the sunlight is going to matter.
One reason why movie plots centering around "getting the word out" about some evil government conspiracy are so implausible; Mal can broadwave the video of the Miranda investigation onto every screen in the 'verse, but it won't matter if the viewers just flip over to their optical disc recording of Alliance Idol because mass murder is boring.
I'd say that one was a little more plausible--a whole planet died and a race of insane terrorists was created, but the point is well taken. What happens at the end of Three Days of the Condor? Even if the NYT runs the story, does it shock the public long enough for any good to come of it?
This is why I generally don't believe in conspiracy theories.
I'm still waiting for someone to challenge the law on the grounds that the granting of dispensations--er, ah, I meant waivers--is unconstitutional, on equal protection grounds as well as separation of powers (e.g., saying a law does or does not apply to someone is a legislative, not an executive function). Can any of you conlaw guys shed any light?
Just once, I'd like someone to realize that the American Medical Association does not equal "doctors". Less than thirty percent of us belong to the AMA and of that less than thirty percent many were not too keen on the bill. Many of us did not want Obamacare, even at the cost of the "doc fix". By the way, we'd just stop taking Medicare patients because we wouldn't be making enough to meet our expenses if the SGR was allowed to continue. That'd probably be a good thing, especially since we seem to have no ability to stage a strike.
Special interests (that aren't in my interests) are exactly why I want health care to remain privatized.
http://www.intellectualtakeout.....e-care-act