Experts Agree: Everyone Wants Your Fluids
Wise words from Timothy Burke:
Expert authority may have much less influence in American public life today than it did in 1960, but one segment of the population is still intensely glued to what experts recommend or demand: the professionalized middle classes, who exist in a state of perpetual anxiety about social reproduction. They want to know one thing: what must they do to secure a steady, reliable future for their children in which their children will do jobs and have status approximately commensurate with their parents (or better)?
When experts in education, childhood, psychology, economics, what have you, venture forth into the public sphere to say that our schools are failing to do something utterly essential, or that tomorrow's children must absolutely have some skill that they do not have now, or that oh my GOD SWEDEN and CHINA and ARGENTINA all have started teaching children how to program in Java while they are still in the WOMB, you know what that's the equivalent of? It's like going up to someone who is starting to develop a dissassociative identity disorder and pretending to be one of those little voices from a satellite that he's hearing that tell him that everyone's out to drain his precious bodily fluids.
Middle-class parenting is precisely where expertise and the authority of both state and civic institutions often have their most toxic intersection, and where unintended effects blossom like ragweed in September….What a lot of those parents need now are experts who will help them chill the fuck out about the lives and education of their children, who will remind them of how robust children are, who will reassure them not to sweat the small stuff. Your kid is not going to get crushed in 2025 by an army of monstrously capable technological prodigies from South Asia because you didn't have them reading chapter books by kindergarten.
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Wow, I've enever seen somebody in the actual act of constructing a straw man. Thanks, Jesse.
Wow, I've never seen somebody in the actual act of butt-fucking a straw man. Thanks, Max!
I've enever seen somebody in the actual act of constructing a straw man.
Actually, you have. You just lacked the self-awareness to perceive it.
Zing!
Are we sure that Max is self-aware?
maybe just soft-aware?
I think Max is on to something. Walker's targets are pretty straw-like. But then libertarians are shooting blanks anyway. The straw men can take it.
I think Max is on to something. Walker's targets are pretty straw-like. But then libertarians are shooting blanks anyway. The straw men can take it.
It's cute when Maxward's personas start referring to each other in the third person.
If American students were pushed to learn skills instead of studying things that interested them, we probably would have had real wage grown over the last thirty years. It seems strange to argue against a parent wanting their child to be able to intellectually compete in the modern world (although Republicans seem intent on skewering anyone with an education these days)...
Yes, because as the public education system has shown us, forcing children to study things they are completely uninterested in works like a charm.
But this is the way it has always been done!
But this is the way that is easiest for our selfless, noble teachers, who, after all, work a brutal 3/4 of the year, but get paid year round!
reading chapter books by kindergarten.
I was. And, wonder of wonders, my parents didn't waste their money on any Baby Genius Mozart shit.
Yes, but you were naturally superior.
You were basically running a railroad in high school!
HO scale mounted to a 4'x 8' sheet of plywood, but still.
But what if you want to raise a monstrously capable technological prodigy to crush others?
Where's the expert support for that?
Your best bet is right here at H&R. Although, you may just end up with sociopathic anti-social drunk.
Don't talk about me behind my back, asshole.
I didn't say a paranoid sexually deviant sociopathic anti-social drunk, now did I?
Nope. Didn't mention sheep at all.
Middle-class parenting is precisely where expertise and the authority of both state and civic institutions often have their most toxic intersection
I've seen this middle-class parenting first hand, and frankly, it's deeply concerning to me.
Threadjack -
According to Joe, this was Wal-Mart's fault:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40.....iapacific/
So is the article basically telling parents "Don't worry, the state can't possibly fuck up your children any worse than it did you"?
Alot of anxiety I've seen in parents is just the lack of control, which is an understandable anxiety, even though it leads to undesirable consequences (from the parent). The "its for the children" crowd cause much their own fears by turning over important life decisions to the public (when to start having sex, what to consume, whom to associate with). What parents are seeking is control and with every law, they have less of it.
And many refuse to recognize the possibility that their progeny might make poor choices at some point. So they demand egregiously excessive penalties for drug use / sales, "drunken" driving (for teens, it's often anything > 0.0), because they believe that only other people's kids will fuck up.
Or they're terrified their little muffins will try the same shit they did as kids. . .
Interesting. Normally you hear about multiple personality disorder patients (aka Dissociative Identity Disorder, if MPD/DID actually exists) being referred to as schizophrenics. Rare to see the opposite sort of done.
*mistakenly called schizophrenic. Rare to see schizophrenic type symptoms called DID
there is only one person who can speak on the subject with authority:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47wZkFmSGVw
AND
they can have my precious bodily fluids when they pry them from my cold, slippery, dead fingers...
ignore those globules of white sticky fluids on the screen...they have nothing to do with my death
Why worry about rasing your kids? If the Asians don't get 'em, they'll just die in some four Loko related incident.
I thought generating offspring without thought to their future was the job of the lower class...
"Your kid is not going to get crushed in 2025 by an army of monstrously capable technological prodigies from South Asia because you didn't have them reading chapter books by kindergarten."
I don't think this guy understands how many children's lives are devastated by sexting and reading the face books every year.
...and that's assuming gay marriage and Al Qaeda don't get to them first!
Oh, we got trouble! Right here in River City!
P.S. White Slavery!
I think for the most part, those parents that seek out expert advice on parenting whether through books or through classes, are the ones that don't need them.
Personally, I think that 90% of "experts" don't know their ass from a whole in the ground anyways.
Telling your children that there is no such thing as experts is the first step in freeing them from this kind of bullshit. That's why I drink so much, I discredit even the finest of experts.
You mean...there are better options than the classically middle class options 1)over-working, over-scheduling, and doping your children; 2)Defer all child-rearing authority responsibility public school/nanny state and its army of credentialed experts?
Who could have possibly thought of that? Mr. Burke is clearly 500 years ahead of his time.