Palin Hints at 2012 Run in New York Times
So Sarah Palin, the reality television star and former McCain veep candidate, finally admitted to New York Times reporter Robert Draper something many long suspected (and, in my case, dreaded): She is seriously considering a run for the presidency in 2012—despite not having finished her single term as Alaska governor.
"I am," Sarah Palin told me the next day when I asked her if she was already weighing a run for president. "I'm engaged in the internal deliberations candidly, and having that discussion with my family, because my family is the most important consideration here." Palin went on to say that there weren't meaningful differences in policy among the field of G.O.P. hopefuls "but that in fact there's more to the presidency than that" and that her decision would involve evaluating whether she could bring unique qualities to the table.
"Yes, the organization would have to change," Palin said during an hourlong phone conversation. "I'd have to bring in more people — more people who are trustworthy," she clarified. Palin said that her experience as John McCain's running mate was for the most part "amazing, wonderful, do it again in a heartbeat." But she added, "What Todd and I learned was that the view inside the bus was much better than underneath it, and we knew we got thrown under it by certain aides who weren't principled" and that "the experience taught us, yes, to be on guard and be very discerning about who we can and can't trust in the political arena."
She is, of course, talking about people like former McCain campaign staffers Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt. But comments like this only underscore the strongest point made by her critics; that Palin is far too inexperienced to be president. If, in her late 40s, Palin didn't understand the sordid nature of Beltway politics, that national politics ain't beanbag and that political operatives are not to be trusted—and barely two years after she couldn't name a single newspaper or magazine that she regularly consumed—she most likely isn't qualified to lead the United States through a financial crisis.
The metaphor-mangling Wasillan (In conversation with the Times: "I know that a hurdle I would have to cross, that some other potential candidates wouldn't have to cross right out of the chute") is rather good at separating cable news executives from their money, though it is unclear that this talent will be useful in the Oval Office. Palin, a paid Fox News contributor, is the cable news candidate—someone capable of speaking only in clipped, confusing sentences, an expert in responding to substantive criticism or complex policy problems with embarrassing cliché. When CNN's Kathleen Parker joked that she "led" the media assassination of the Alaska governor, Palin responded on Twitter that she was "still standing; Standing by family, faith & flag. Who do u stand by today?" Press a few buttons on the saccharine patriotism generator—faith, family, flag—and the crowd cheers, despite the incoherence of the sentiment.
Worst of all, Palin embraces something conservatives are supposed to eschew: victimhood. She tells the Times that those Republicans who oppose her are members of the "good-old-boys' club" and that her critics are motivated by sexism; she tweets that this perfectly normal photograph of Michelle Bachmann demonstrates Politico's hidden liberal agenda (Palin recently told Fox News that "Politico, Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei, they're jokes," for quoting anonymous Republicans worried that she would run for president). When talking with Draper, she casually speaks of the "lamestream media", a verbal tick that qualifies one for an AM radio talk show, but should be disqualifying for a serious presidential candidate.
Let's hope that the "old boys club" conspiracy isn't a figment of Palin's imagination.
Read the whole Times piece here.
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John? What are your thoughts on this important matter?
Arschloch.
I am not John but Moynihan is reaching.
His argument is that Palin is unqualified because she does not read the right news papers and helped the tea party take over congress rather then continue to be the Governor of Alaska.
What sucks is that Palin is an easy target for being a conservative...you know war on drugs, anti-immigration, two wars with no end, various other culture war bullshit, ect....why not attack her for that. but no Mr. perpetual war on hyperbole chooses to go after her for being an effective outsider politician.
PURE, DOG SHIT SMELLING, LAME!
"does not read the right newspapers" or "does not read newspapers" or "does not read" ?
Newspapers are the liberal! Mama grizzlies don't need no learnin'!
According to what she said in that Times article, she grew up in a household of school teachers and has been reading since she was a little girl. Actual books, too - not "graphic" novels.
Books such as.....
Actually, she's several times made comments saying that going after pot smokers is a waste of government and law enforcement resources.
I still don't support her (though she's not worse than many who are out there), but I do find it a bit amusing that you're making the same mistake here as the one you're criticizing.
She wouldn't go after pot smokers...hmmm, where does that sound familiar?
I agree - Is Moynihan REALLY saying that the good ol' boys network is better than Palin? REALLY?!
I'm no Palin fan, but that's a strong statement. How could she be worse than the O'Bushma monstrosity?
Doesn't matter. She won't sleep with him, no matter what he says.
"my family is the most important consideration here."
Ahem.
She'd be a terrible candidate. Have we learned nothing from the Bush-Obama bifecta of awfulitude?
There are, of course, no end to the bad candidates with experience, but at least we know what we're getting when there's some track record to go by.
Right now, it's LP or Gary Johnson for me.
+3
3 being Ron Paul, though I think he'd be a better VP candidate for Johnson.
Oh God, a Palin v. Obama race? I thought Bush v. Kerry was bad enough.
Johnson's my top pick, but I'd probably swing for Mitch Daniels or Chris Christie as well.
An excellent reason to have preferred McCain over Obama, too. McCain has well-known good and bad points from a libertarian perspective; Obama turned out to be nothing but bad.
FOOLS! DARE YOU DOUBT THE POTENCY AND PROMOTIONAL ACUMEN OF PALIN? WHEN SHE RELEASES THE SARAH-BRISTOL SEX TAPE IN 2011, WE'LL SEE WHO HAS THE LAST LAUGH!
Your Silvina Escudero video pleases me greatly, Urkobold. I'd vote for her. Fuck the Palins.
THE URKOBOLD ENJOYED DELIBERBATING ON HER VIDEO. MANY TIMES, JUST TODAY.
ALAS, SHE IS INELIGIBLE. SHE'S TOO YOUNG AND TOO ARGENTINIAN.
So why is the dude dressed like Castro?
Is Castro/janitor screwing high class executive woman the Argentina version of American Pizza deliver porn?
Little-known fact: Castro was and is a porn star in South America.
She couldn't be worse than Obama. She might even be better. She seems to have a kind of independent streek that would make her less likeley to want to micromanage our lives - this is compared to Obama at least. Granted, she is no Ron Paul, but she is at least more pro-liberty than Obama it seems. Again, not saying a whole hell of a lot.
One positive thing I can say is that the far left hates her guts. That is a plus in my book.
The rumor I heard was that she had been bought and paid for like the rest of the scum. Didn't the far left hate George Dubya Bush as well. Eh.. to each his own I guess.
During the nomination process, W was derided as a frat boy, but he never got the Palin treatment.
Palin has gotten the Thompson treatment--not the vitriole, but the process. During the campaign in the last election, we were endlessly told that Thompson didn't 'have a fire in his belly', that he 'looked tired' , that he 'didn't want it'--but he was the one saying things the left hated, the one who seemed like he might actually do the things he said. After months of this incessant drumbeat, Thompson made a poor showing and, surprise, surprise the candidate the left actually liked--because the GOP hates him, got the nod.
That drum is beating for Palin right now. The left does not want to have to face her in the next election.
Not worse than Obama, I agree. In fact, I agree with better than Obama. But that's setting the bar at a subterranean level.
We can do much better.
Not to mention the fact that, if Obama could pick the Team Red candidate, Palin would be his choice.
I have an idea. Let's buy her off with the Governor-General gig. She's Alaskan, which is almost the same as being from the Yukon. I think it would be a win-win for both of our formerly great nations.
Why do you hate Canada?
I said Governor-General, not prime minister. The latter position, of course, needs to go to the Shat, as we've discussed before.
I would never inflict Palin on our Canadian friends as an actual leader, unless we were talking Michael Palin.
We could.
But don't count on anything better actually getting put up for election.
If it comes down to Obama-Palin, I'll vote Palin. If nothing else, simply because the Dems in general and Obama in particular, need to be punished.
I'm betting the staff around here won't break that way. It was okay to say Bush needed to be punished, but ObamaBoy? Nah.
I find it interesting that Democrats seem to think Palin is their dream opponent. The problem is that Obama will likely be so unpopular by then that just about any candidate could beat him. Even McCain.
If, in her late 40s, Palin didn't understand the sordid nature of Beltway politics, that national politics ain't beanbag and that political operatives are not to be trusted?and barely two years after she couldn't name a single newspaper or magazine that she regularly consumed?she most likely isn't qualified to lead the United States through a financial crisis.
She's only 45 right now.
My feelings is that she'd be, at least, an entertaining president; and probably no worse than the last few.
No question, she is the worst candidate. Except for all the others.
There are two groups that hate her guts: Lefties, and Republican insiders. As far as I'm concerned, that puts her on third base.
Sure, there are plenty of people who would make a better President. Sadly, very few of them are even considering a run.
As far as I'm concerned, that puts her on third base.
I get to third base all day long.
Why haven't you gone ahead and officially changed your agency's name to the T&A?
I kinda like the voice and she is cute. And yes, it just might be worth it to hear the howls from her detractors -- good stuff!
Only Palin/Beck can restore our honor and integrity in 2012.
Palin/Beck "Who would Jesus vote for?"
Only Palin/Beck can restore our honor and integrity in 2012.
Well, if by "restore honor and integrity", you mean "ensure a Democratic Sweep at every level", you are correct.
"that Palin is far too inexperienced to be president."
I've got little use for her but that seems like thin gruel considering the guy she'd be running against should she win the nomination.
And it also assumes that "experience" in the current political climate is a "plus" and not a "minus." Think of all the experience Newt Gingrich would bring to the table. Hell Bob Dole is still alive, run him again.
I also don't blame her in the slightest for resigning as governor. Her family apparently wasn't particularly wealthy and resigning when she did resolved that issue. It might make here a worse political candidate (then again it might not), but from a human standpoint I have no issue.
My problem with Palin is my problem with most of the rest of the Republican party, social conservatism paired with fair-weather fiscal conservatism. Even simplifying such things down to a two-point scale,half a point out of two isn't much of a score. Granted it's the same score the current president has (being generous) so there is that.
If our choices are Romney, Huckabee, Palin and Gingrich, that's not exactly Sea Biscuit, Affrimed, Scertariat and Seattle Slew she's got to beat out for the nomination.
She's not likely a good candidate for sure, but making her appear to be a singularly bad candidate is way unfair when you look at the field.
"Hell Bob Dole is still alive"
Bob Dole doesn't call this living.
On life support you would still be the best President in my life time.
In fact strapped to a bed on life support and otherwise being incapacitated would be your number one draw for me.
Disclaimer: Dole is the only republican presidential candidate I ever voted for.
What? No W in 2004?
1992 - Clinton
1996 - Dole
2000 - No one (I went to a Republican caucus and voted for McCain then I moved to Oregon and the licensing department lost my registration...but if they didn't I probably would have voted for Nader...yeah I know)
2004 - Badnarik
2008 - Barr
Who cares.
Why even reply if you don't care?
We're part of the 0.5%ers that voted for Barr. I didn't even know who Badnarik was.
HL Mencken might've voted for her:
"One man likes the republic because it pays better wages than Bulgaria. Another because it has laws to keep him sober, pious and faithful to his wife. Another because the Woolworth Building is higher than the Cathedral at Chartres. Another because Roosevelt could not leave his job to his son. Another because living here, he can read the New York Journal.* Another because there is a warrant for him somewhere else. Me, I like it because it amuses me. I never get tired of the show. It is worth every cent it costs."
...a verbal tick that qualifies one for an AM radio talk show...
Actually, that's a verbal tic?unless Palin is making a rhythmic noise like a clock or sucking a dog's blood while she says it.
The fucking bitch is too stupid to be president.
This is horrifying, but sadly unsurprising news.
I hope the rapture follows Palin's election and she and Ron Paul consign you fucking atheist libertoid druggies to the flames of everlasting Hell. Jesus hates sodomite heathen cock suckers. You will be fucking refudiated!
Re: Max,
Max, H&R's pet yorkie.
Here, Max! Here boy! Go fetch! Go get it! That's a good boy! Yeah!
ARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARF!!!!!!!!!!
That's some of your better work Max.
Anyone can call herself "Max" and the peanut gallery will respond? Interesting. Which is the dog and which is the master?
Like I said yesterday the fucking bitch is too stupid to be president.
I eschew victimhood. I am sick and tired of being a victim of victimhood!
Bit edgy, eh? Should have held this one back for a de-Weigelizing edit.
I'm not going to vote for Palin for President, either?yet she persists in considering doing it! What the fucking fuck, man?!
MIGHTY RAGE
the crowd cheers, despite the incoherence of the sentiment
It's a "Don't say 'john'" Spitzer joke / book-plug combo quip, astutely crafted to its audience.
If anything Palin ever says actually confuses you, you're retarded. She's not fuckin' Derrida.
And if you pretend she confuses you when she doesn't, you're an asshole, and probably retarded.
Congrats.
Jesus, you're bucking for the right-wing asshole of the year, aren't you? How do people as stupid as you survive infancy?
Re: Max,
Here, boy! Go fetch! That's a good boy!!
Damn it. Max pooped on the rug again.
Bad Max!
She confuses me all the time. Are you calling me retarded, beeyotch?
Since the rule of law means nothing to her and political expediency is the only thing she cares for Palin would be a combination of Aimee Semple McPherson and Ollie North.
As a candidate only Alvin Green was worse. (Angle and O'Donnell were slightly better).
Re: shrike,
Unlike Obama... right?
'Rule of Law'? Ha, ha, ha!
Who was the last president to observe the 'rule of law', Silent Cal?
Reminds me of that movie with Paul Newman and what's his name: Rules, rules in a knife fight?
Whammo, gets it in the balls. Politicians regularly hit John Q. Public in the groin, and strangely enough, John keeps coming back for more. Ouch!
Obama cares nothing for the rule of law. Instead, he believes in the Rule of Maw.
Mama/Jerry Springer 2012!
How come the Repubs aren't talking about Jeb Bush in 2012?
The stench of Bush the Lesser is still too fresh.
If not for his brother, he'd be a strong candidate. But, his brother.
Besides, even his fans probably are thinking that we have a hundred million other families to choose from.
All of you saying how horrible a president she would be, remember this:
Should she actually become president, she wouldn't be able to accomplish one. goddamn. thing. Virtually everyone in Congress, in both parties, would vehemently fight against anything she would try to do.
I'm no Palin fan, but the "old boy's club" is most certainly not a figment of her imagination. Just look at who won the Senate seat in Alaska today. If Palin has hasn't been up against the old boy's club, no one has.
Alaskans wanted a Republican and chose Murkowski over a thuggish liar, Medicaid recipient, and obvious con man.
A true Palinite, in other words.
Change the word medicaid to affirmative action and I'd be sure you were talking about the current President.
That is her biggest positive. She took on the Corrupt Bastards Club in Alaska and won. And she significantly weakened their power structure.
It's not enough for me to vote for her for President, especially after she got her foreign policy education from Kissinger, but it's laudable.
Reminds me of what I said to my butch friend from grade school when she came out of the closet...
"Technically speaking, before you can come out of the closet, don't you have to go into the closet first?"
So, she's running for President? Well who'd a guessed that?!
If her family is the most important thing to her, then the answer should be easy. Stay the fuck out of politics (and off of TV too). If you run for president, assholes are going to say horrible things about your family and they will have little privacy. If you don't want that, don't run.
But her family isn't the most important thing to her, idiot. She just says that. What planet do you hail from?
Re: Max,
Max, N&R's pet yorkie.
Here, Max! Here boy! Go fetch! Go! That's a good boy, Max! Yeah! That's a good boy!
You know, when you do this when a Max comment (be it the real Max or someone playing at Max-ness) is actually fairly right (even if obvious), it lessens the impact of doing it when Max is way out there in Imaginary Land.
Or, to put it another way, if folks react by making the ArfArf jokes to every Max comment, then *they* are the trained hounds.
Oh, God, now I'm defending Max. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING?!?
I don't think she's running. She's doing pretty well right now, and, as Zeb says, if her family is really a concern then she'd stay as far away from President as possible.
I don't, either. I think she's just milking the publicity. Good for her, so long as she stays out of the 2012 race.
I don't want her in the race, but I'd love for her to use her talents to chase out the establishment types and make room for Johnson, Daniels or Christie.
You never know!
Problem is she wouldn't make room for the above, but for the likes of O'Donnell, Angel and Miller.
That was my thinking last year.
The possibility that all the ignorant adoring crowds would turn her head is possibility I hadn't considered. I still think she's smart enough to know running for prez would be a disaster but I'm not as certain as I was then.
Taking Sarah Palin seriously as a presidential candidate is a sign of mental illness. She is nothing but an attractive likable airhead.
My problem with Palin is my problem with most of the rest of the Republican party, social conservatism paired with fair-weather fiscal conservatism.
ding ding ding.
There's a little talk going around right now about calling a truce on all the culture war bullshit and focussing on the fiscal problems. But I have no doubt the Republicans are too fucking stupid to go that route.
If they did, I suspect they could cruise to victories in the next couple of elections at least. Until we either get past the fiscal crisis, or it destroys the country.
Get the left to stop fighting the culture war (which they started) and we'll have a deal.
The culture war ended in the 1970s. The only people who think it is still going on are academics and politicians.
There is a too large a chunk of Republicans who want to ban stores from using the term "holiday tree" for me to believe they'll call a truce on culture wars.
There's too large a chunk of Democrats who won't give up on Affirmative Action for me to believe they'll ever accept a truce in the wars they started.
Appalling that we could consider someone who only served 2 years of a gubernatorial term as a candidate for President.
You have to have served two years of a SENATORIAL term to be taken seriously.
Taking Sarah Palin seriously as a presidential candidate is a sign of mental illness. She is nothing but an attractive likable airhead.
She's be fine at a party where the deepest discussion was about American Idol. Imagine the horrors if somebody brought up history, astronomy, foreign policy or religion.
She is nothing but an attractive likable airhead.
And this is a major difference from the Great Decider and President Teleprompter, how?
What, don't you get it? She's a f***ing Republican.
It's okay for the Democrats to do it.
And for the people grumping about how her new TV show means she doesn't have the gravitas, blah blah fucking blah:
Grow a brain. She managed to get the Discovery Channel to pay her for the privilege of running an 11-hour campaign ad. Showing her being all wholesome and down-to-earth with her big family. With the scenic backdrop of Alaska.
Personally, I can't imagine a better way to build brand recognition, familiarity, and general warm fuzzies with the 30% of the population who aren't foaming-at-the-mouth lefties.
Beats the hell out of whatever tedious, self-serving eighty-point white paper Newcular Titties Gingrich will serve up, anyway.
That 30% should be 70%.
But you knew that.
Ah, you remembered. Thank you.
I'm hoping that Gingrich's odd silence lately is just a precursor to his announcement that Newt is no longer short for Newton but for Newcular Titties.
The fat lady already sang. Why would anyone want to be President? The Fed can never again raise interest rates, the debt repayment would be in the trillions. No one is going to save this system because it's been dead for a few years now. Currency is done, entitlments won't be restructured and the people like war.
Irving "Swifty" Lazar once said a couple of shrewd things about Hollywood.
First, once you have your first million, that's your "fuck you" money.
Second, it's not important what they say about you, it's only important THAT they are saying things about you.
Palin has both things going for her right now that the rest of you clydes that are going on about "substance" and a return to the Austrian School have no idea about. Right now, it's about MAXIMUM NAME REC.
Palin has that down in spades. Sarah Palin's Alaska is an infomercial that can work on her negatives with independents in swing states. Tim Pawlenty or Mitch Daniels, the Establishment Bum of the Month, will have to run Roll Out Advertising to introduce themselves to the public.
Palin doesn't have that problem.
Now please stop complaining about Palin because she doesn't believe in free pot or legalized cornholio, okay? It's a free country. Even fundies have rights.
Besides, she's pretty good on the pot, and last time I heard her on Judge N, she was pretty solid on reigning in the Patriot Act.
Unless you all are hypocrites and really want More of the Same.
They are.
Yeah we need Change. It doesn't matter what kind of Change, just Change. I sure Hope she wins.
Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) just introduced HR 6416, the American Traveler Dignity Act:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blo.....more-70061
Hell fucking yeah!
THIS is why we need Ron Paul in the WH
They won't even let him run a committee, so not gonna happen.
They're letting him run a subcommittee, the one with power over domestic monetary policy. That should be entertaining.
They won't even let him run a committee, so not gonna happen.
"They" that you refer to is the Republican "leadership" meaning Boehner et al.
The people that elect a man to the WH are the electoral college. That's not the same thing.
Palin will be doomed the first time one of the other candidates goes negative. She's really bad at dealing with even easy "gotcha" situations, so setting up situations where she's put on the spot to defend a position will provide an essentially endless supply of fodder for negative campaigning. The only defense she has against it is playing it for sympathy, and that won't defend her as much as damage the candidate going after her; she'll be easy to knock out of the race, but she may drag down whoever does it with her.
I'm thinking that will be Romney - his basic policy competence means it will be easy for him to stump her in debates and his inability to fully understand human emotions due to his replicant background will lead him to underestimate the backlash.
Romney already blew it with Romneycare. If he was such a competent policy guy, Masscare wouldn't be the disaster that it is.
Republicans believe in absolution. Do Mormons though?
Fuck Mitt!
He's a statist cocksucker.
despite not having finished her single term as Alaska governor.
Bla bla bal Palin is a conservator and we are libertarians so we don't like her...
OK we get it and we all agree.
Still she did hand pick lots of Tea party candidates and put her support behind them and they took the house and took away Senate seats in an unprecedented turn around from the 2008 elections.
To hint that she is unqualified or made a "bad" choice to quit at being Governor is pure hackyness.
Stop it Moynahan...it is unbecoming and furthermore something Hitler would do.
Wait a minute, you're Joshua Corning, so you're being serious. ahaha Probably even about the Hitler thing.
But yeah seriously Sarah Palin is a fucking moron.
But this is the country we live in. Sarah Palin is more qualified than Barack Obama to be president! Also, Grover Norquist is the intellectual equal and philosophical counterweight to Paul Krugman! (The Nobel committee are ignorant commies.)
Yea, all that "peace" Obama has created. WOW!
Once Reagan and Thatcher get the prize (for helping free millions of people), wake me up.
ahaha Probably even about the Hitler thing.
We get bonus points for evoking Hitler on a Moynihan thread.
So far my score is over 9000.
If all goes well by next year I will be able to turn them in for a signed copy of Matt's and Nick's book and still have enough left over for a t-Shirt and Mug.
But yeah seriously Tony is a fucking moron.
More qualified? No. Equally unqualified? Hell yes.
I would say more qualified.
What were Barack Obama's qualifications anyway?
He was elected by the Chicago political machine?!
Sarah Palin was a governor. For whatever that's worth? I think that makes her more qualified.
But she's also a fucking moron.
That makes her kingmaker, not king. Few are adept at both roles.
If, in her late 40s, Palin didn't understand the sordid nature of Beltway politics, that national politics ain't beanbag and that political operatives are not to be trusted?and barely two years after she couldn't name a single newspaper or magazine that she regularly consumed?she most likely isn't qualified to lead the United States through a financial crisis.
You don't suppose that might have been a result of having her hands full being Governor of Alaska, without any inkling until a few weeks prior that she'd ever be involved with national or international issues, do you?
It's not like Alaska doesn't border another fucking country and happened to be working with Canada on a pipeline. Maybe she should have said that when asked about foreign experience instead of saying you can see Russia from Alaska. Talking about the former is thoughtful, saying the latter gets you painted as an airhead on SNL.
"Maybe she should have said that when asked about foreign experience instead of saying you can see Russia from Alaska."
It should have been pretty obvious to anybody that when she said she could see it from her back yard that she was making a coy reference--for the record? She probably knows more about Russia--especially in regards to fishing rights--because Russia was practically in her back yard.
Just for the record, when I say "The Redskins always play the Cowboys tough in our back yard", I don't literally mean that they play in my back yard. In fact, I don't know who's dumber--somebody who really thinks Palin thought she could see Russia from her back yard or somebody who doesn't know an idiom when they see one.
Oh, and last but not least, I'd vote for Palin retarded kid before I'd vote for Barack Obama. That stupid idiot couldn't find his ass with both hands if you gave him a map and a magnifying glass*.
That stupid asshole effectively nationalized our healthcare system and squandered billions out of my future paychecks on bullshit. I'd seriously vote for Palin's retarded kid before I voted for Barack Obama**.
*Idiomatic.
**Should be taken literally.
I'd vote for Sarah Palin's retarded kid's dirty diaper before I voted for Barack Obama.
Seriously.
I'd vote for Nancy Reagan over Barack Obama.
I'd vote for Nancy Reagan's astrologer rather than Barack Obama.
Dead serious.
She didn't say that. She said that Alaska borders Russia, and that "there are even places in Alaska where you can see Russia."
That is a fact. You can see Big Diomede from Little Diomede.
The school on Little Diomede had a webcam set up at one point where you could "see Russia from Alaska."
What she said was 100% factual, and idiots who don't know geography laughed about it and changed her quote.
Here's the CNN report.
Palin's exact quote was "...you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."
That is 100% factual and completely accurate. She even specified that it was an island.
Anyone who calls her an idiot based on that particular piece of information is revealing his own ignorance.
It's also pretty much irrelevant. There are a shitload of states from which you can walk to, much less see, other countries. I somehow doubt that if you had asked Richardson about his foreign policy experience, he wouldn't have led with his ability to walk to Mexico from Dona Ana county.
Yes, and if this were the 5th century, that would count as foreign policy experience. You can be right and irrelevant at the same time.
Thanks for that!
This is one of those things that gets thrown around so often, and when they get thrown around about someone who's as much of lightening rod as Sarah Palin is? I just assume there's gotta be something not right about it...
It's kinda like being a Birther or thinking that Obama is a Muslim, I guess. I know almost nothing about what the Birthers are talking about, and I know next to nothing about Obama's religious beliefs...
...but I've been around the block a few times, and I can usually smell bullshit when I hear it. ...and Sarah Palin being so stupid she thought she cold see Alaska from her back yard--that fits the image of how they're trying to paint her so well, I knew there had to be something off somewhere...
Like saying Obama isn't a real American or that he's a Muslim and suggesting he's sympathetic to terrorists... It fits the party narrative a little too well.
The actual 'I can see Russia from my house' comment came from Tina Fey
So Moynihan is saying that Palin's naivete about the beltway nature of DC politics labels her as unqualified? this particular quality, michael claims, is what clearly demonstrates that she can't lead this country out of a financial crisis. seriously? that's the angle that you're taking? of all the one's available to you, you're going with 'palin shouln't be prez b/c she didn't even know that mccain's advisors would screw her'?
And what does her age have to do with it? If she understands opportunistic campaign managers by the age of 50, Michael, will she finally be qualified enough in your view to be endorsed over Obama?
is Palin's use of victimhood her "worst" quality, michael? you just said she wasn't sophisticated enough with the nature of political campaigning to be qualified for the presidency, and now you're criticizing her for employing said techniques (e.g. playing the victim card). this is why Reason doesn't work when you guys go after optics. you guys do policy extremely well. the horse race, not so much.
this is my gentle rebuke: this blog entry is straight out of the first 10 minutes of Maddow's lefty circle jerk.
(and damn you for making me defend palin.)
+10
(and damn you for making me defend palin.)
We'll cross that fresh hell when we come to it, but for the sake of Jesus H. Christ, can we please get out of Obama's Hell first?!
I'll take dumb and capitalist any day over dumb and beholden to unions and national healthcare.
The same thing was said about Bush II, and now look where we are. Better the devil you know.
My main problem with Obama?
He's just like Bush!
One expanded Medicare big time.
The other one all but nationalized it.
Where's the difference?
It'd be one thing of there were a big difference between the two--I don't see any big differences.
top 5 reasons Reason readers (say that 10 times fast) should vote for Palin:
1. The prez is constantly in the media and the prez will be hot for once. Look I know about the tubes and its abundance of hot chicks but just like you'd rather buy your coffee from an attractive woman you'd rather hear political doublespeak from an attractive woman.
2. Liberal and feminist teeth gnashing. How exactly are the NY Times, the Huffington Post and most importantly - Jezebel - going to spin hating a woman? Epic levels of cognitive dissonance await. Yes this will happen during the campaign anyway but when she's president and they have to eat their own tears we could see anything. Hunger strike? Self-Immolation? It's all on the table.
3. Conversely, how are Sean Hannity and Bill O' Reilly's writers going to spin the stupid out of Palin?
4. A new level of sloganeering. Bumper stickers, tshirts, schwag - the wittiest and the lamest puns we as a people have to offer will all be on display. Think Palin in a helicopter shooting wolves, Palin with super hero enlarged breasts, super douchey anti-Palin stickers and Palin creating an analogue of the Rock, Flag and Eagle song from its always sunny.
5. Diplomatic trips abroad. Europe will hate her but be stuck in the same self loathing position our American feminists will be in. There's a high chance of an inappropriate speech with Jesus in it going awry in a Muslim country. There's no way Putin is putting up with her shit. Or will the Judo wrestling\harpooing side of him love the shoot-wolf-from-helicopter side of Palin? Can US\China relations get any more awkard? Of course they can.
Palin in 2012!
Yeah let's vote for people depending on whether or not Putin likes them.
Good point.
"3. Conversely, how are Sean Hannity and Bill O' Reilly's writers going to spin the stupid out of Palin?"
They've got eight years of experience under their belt.
after she couldn't name a single newspaper or magazine that she regularly consumed
Oh for fuck's sake, we're reading this on computer, not a newspaper or magazine, the same device I and more and more people get nearly all of their news. Can we finally retire this one as an example of Palin stupidity?
Anyone else notice that Moynihan is way better at going after lefties then he is at going after conservatives.
It is like he gets confused or lost or something.
Sarah Palin is not a political figure, she is a culture war figure. As such, she should be blithely ignored.
Indeed, she's an incompetent, un-educated retard. Consequently, the political attention she receives is an embarrassment for your country.
I got home from work a little late today, but didn't realize the traffic was so bad that it is already winter of 2011. I mean I'm a self-confessed political junkie, but even *I* think it's a little early for this sort of thing.
and barely two years after she couldn't name a single newspaper or magazine that she regularly consumed?she most likely isn't qualified to lead the United States through a financial crisis.
As opposed to all of those corporate-media-consuming intellectual paragons who led us into this financial crisis?
Hack. Hack. Hack! Hack! Hack-hack!
I wouldn't vote for someone because she calls the press funny names.
For some people it's monetary policy. Others foreign or domestic policy writ large, but for me it's soundbites. And maybe accents. Because, unlike her, I'm real sirius.
Palin would be no different then what we've had for the last 20 years. She would surround herself with the same mindset. Nation building abroad. Nanny state at home. Even if it wasn't Obama she would be running against, whoever her opponent would be would be no different. So yeah, I'd vote for her just to watch all the talking heads and bloggers spin their heads like Linda Blair in the Exorcist.
Palin might be the only thig that assures a second term for Obama. That would be good for contributions, wouldn't it? But what if she wins? Hell, that would be good for contributions too. Reason can't lose.
And Bush's, Obama's, and Bernanke's education helped them handle the financial crisis?
I hope she does not run, but let's not pretend that the ass clowns that have been up there for the past 5 decades have been worth a damn.
If Palin wants to be taken seriously she needs to do three things:
1.) More wonk, less whine. Yes, we all "get it" that's she's at a disadvantage because she has breasts, a vag, a funny accent and a degree from a sub-Ivy school. I (and a large majority of America) am not really interested in hearing about her whine about her personal political problems - I'm interested in policies, and policies alone. Any time anyone says something negative about her and she responds to the bait, she ends up looking like a total tool. Even Obama (whose skin is far thinner than his predecessor) doesn't give the birther/Muslim junk any credibility by responding to it. If you don't respond to obvious garbage, people will be sympathetic and defend you. If you whine about it, people will start tuning you out and accusing you of not being able to take criticism.
2.) More complete words, less hyperbole. The way she uses Twitter makes her sound like a 16-year old internet troll, not a President.
3.) Build a time machine and unquit her Alaska job. Why would anyone want a quitter for president who can't even complete a single term as governor? Sure, they were hounding her - see #1. Sure, she did a good job recruiting and supporting candidates so maybe quitting was worthwhile. In which case, there's a RNC Chair position. She'd be a far better Howard Dean-type party leader/base figurehead than a President.
If Palin runs, I'd still prefer Obama with a GOP Congress than Palin with a GOP Congress.
The way she uses Twitter makes her sound like a 16-year old internet troll, not a President.
Then again, most Americans can't grasp any political theory that exceeds 140 characters, so that technology is perfectly suited to Palin and her admirers.
Why would anyone want a quitter for president who can't even complete a single term as governor?
Why would anyone want a quitter for president who couldn't complete a single term as senator, who probably only became a senator as a stepping stone to the presidency? And who spent most of his time as a senator campaigning for the higher office?
Never said Obama was qualified, but he didn't quit until he was actually elected president. Had Palin been elected veep, she would have quit as well, but nobody would call her a quitter. There is a nuanced difference between a person who quits for a position of more responsibility and a "quitter" who'd rather write their biography and cash in early than do the tough, thankless task of governing when the going gets tough.
Some of the investigations of Palin that led to her quitting were unjustified, others seemed credible. If she is President, the same thing will happen tenfold. She doesn't need to be President to get rich on the speaker circuit and she doesn't seem to like politicians, the media, the spotlight on her family, the hardball of the campaign trail or the stress of governing, and losing to Obama would be utterly embarrassing and likely compared to other, better candidates according to the polls. So, really, what's the point other than inflating her ego?
According to Palin, she resigned because the frivolous lawsuits threatened to bankrupt her family. Under Alaskan state law, she herself would have been financially responsible for her legal bills. If that is truly the case, I don't blame her one bit for quitting. I note that the lawsuit crap didn't seem to really start in earnest until she became a nationally known and popular figure - ie., a political threat to both the left and the right.
So, really, what's the point other than inflating her ego?
I suppose I'm a cynic, but many of our presidents of modern times could be accused of that. To answer your question though, by running for president she has a chance to influence the national dialog, to bring up issues that might otherwise not be raised. Wouldn't it be nice to finally see some real discussion of returning to and abiding by the Constitution in a presidential debate? Wouldn't it be nice to see some real debate over the healthcare bill - there was very little mention of it in the November elections?
In short, if she runs for prez, she gets to be a player. A whole lot of people on this board supported Ron Paul in the last election, because they hoped he would do the same thing, and he didn't have as much chance at winning as Palin does (not that she's a libertarian by any stretch.)
If she was sued as a representative of the State of Alaska, then she was not personally liable. If she was sued as Sarah Palin, citizen, then her liability did not end with her gubernatorial office. Either way, this doesn't make sense.
You'd have to take that up with someone who knows Alaskan law. I'm merely going by how she was quoted in the NY Times article. From what she said, any joe blow off the street can file an ethics complaint against a sitting governor there and apparently the citizens are not responsible for the legal bills. Seems odd to me, too.
Ok, if she was being sued for obviously slanderous/political reasons and did absolutely nothing wrong/illegal like she said, she could have countersued and gotten her money back plus compensation. Governors are sued all the time. If she did something illegal, she deserved to be sued, the lawsuit against her as a person would not go away simply by her resigning and it could potentially disqualify her from being president anyway.
From a policy perspective, Palin is one of many "Tea Party" candidates who give the Constitution lip service and then say that the Constitution would support perpetual, undeclared war, outlawing Muslim garb and police profiling of Latinos on immigration stings. I'm sure that viewpoint will be on full display for the GOP's 2012 candidates, and it will insure that I do not vote for any candidate espousing those views.
The thing about Palin is that shes lame. I mean, Superlame. My 68 year old mom is cooler than her.
What if we could somehow get the Palin lovers to support Ron Paul? Perhaps Ron Paul with Sarah Palin as veep in '12? She sure had a lot of love for his son, and I think that's what propelled him to win his primary.
Mr. Moynihan is a lucky fellow, because he's never been sued. I knew a fellow once who got sued. Took years out of his life, years from the lives of friends and business partners, and resulted in work he'd engaged in being stripped from him and taken off the market.
No, it was nothing big, not compared to other, more important things. But he lost a lot of his life thanks to the suit.
Moynihan, I hope nobody brings suit against you, because it would destroy you. Lives a ruined by civil actions, people have committed suicide because of civil actions. Businesses get destroyed by civil actions, and I'm talking about businesses owned by those who win civil actions. It isn't just doctors who need tort reform, but American's as a whole.
I've never been involved in a civil action, but I've seen what they've done to other. Mr. Moynihan, you are not but a fool, and a mouthy fool at that. Got cavail about Sarah Palin with Jesse Ventura, for he's the only fool I know of as clueless as you. The civil court system in this country has long been a sham, and it's about them we reformed it. Blather on my clueless child, and let the world know of your incompetence.
wtf?
Uhhhhhhhhhh....
What?
I think Mr. Kellogg is implying Palin quit the governorship because of some BS litigation she was dealing with, and it was taking a toll. I seem to recall that was a big part of the reasoning she gave at the time. I could be wrong, though.
I am so fucking ashamed of this clown.
Palin will be just another statist version of Dubya. And like in Dubya's case, the Left and the media will spend 4 to 8 years labeling her incorrectly as a libertarian. Once, more, making it harder for any serious libertarians to be taken seriously. A Palin presidency would set libertarianism back another 50 years.
Palin will be just another statist version of Dubya.
Help me out here - was there a non-statist version of Dubya? And I sure don't recall anyone ever labeling him as a libertarian - a nazi or a fascist maybe, but not a libertarian.
Plenty of Democrats went around telling people that the problem was all the spending cuts and deregulation that went on in the Dubya era.
Haysoos, you are obtuse
So we should oppose Palin--who is not a libertarian--because she may be accused of being a libertarian--even though she is not, and doesn't claim to be--and as such her actions will malign libertarianism--which she rejects. If this is the case, doesn't this reflect poorly on everyone else, and not Palin?
I don't care who it reflects on. I care whether this will advance libertarianism. It doesn't matter that she doesn't claim she's a libertarian; what matters is that from one side of her mouth she speakums of libertarian ideals like free markets. This will lead the media to conclude she's a libertarian and the tag will stick, just as it stuck with Dubya. If anyone wasn't aware of that, they obviously had their head up their ass for about 8 years.
Please God no...
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha - ooh, it burns!