"No, the Problem With the Ban Is That It Doesn't Go Far Enough."
Generally, I'm skeptical of psychologizing political viewpoints. But yesterday in Time food writer Josh Ozersky, author of The Hamburger: A History, swings that door wide open, so let's take a peek through.
About the San Francisco plan to ban toys in high-calorie Happy Meals, he writes:
I was an obese child, and precisely for the reasons progressives point to: I ate hamburgers far too often. My parents, like many well-meaning adults back then and now, would have preferred me to gobble down fruit and whole-grain bread, just as they would have preferred me to play with handcrafted birch-wood toys instead of Six Million Dollar Man figurines. But I wailed like a car alarm until I got what I wanted. The toys aren't the main reason kids love Happy Meals. They love the packaging more than anything else. Everything comes in a box, and it all belongs to them. As a kid, you don't have to poach fries from your parents and you get a toy and something to read or draw on. It's a little package of pleasure, just for you.
This is a well-crafted portrait of a particular kid's intense relationship with his Happy Meals, but it's not a diagnosis of our national obesity problem. He could just as easily have said, "I was an obese child because I didn't get enough exercise," or "I was an obese child because my mom and dad didn't know how to deal with my temper tantrums," and then gone on to advocate more recess time or more stern parenting. For every kid who loves a Happy Meal for the packaging, there's a kid who loves the toy, a kid who's in it for the Nuggets, and kid who hates McDonald's but eats it anyway because the restaurant is conveniently located between soccer and ballet. Each case is different, and Ozersky's support for a blanket ban based on his personal story misses those subtleties.
Ozersky does acknowledge that Happy Meals are far from the only reason American kids are chunky. But if you have made your living writing about hamburgers—and if you have any doubt of Ozersky's deep and ongoing love affair with meat patties, just check out a Google image search on the guy's name—you start to see burgers at the center of everything.
In fact, while it's clear Ozersky isn't thrilled about his chubby childhood, one could argue that those wonderful moments with his Happy Meals are part of the reason that the Internet wound up with one of its most thorough hamburger critics—and how Ozersky wound up with a James Beard award. Seems like a reasonable trade-off to me. Why not let other kids (and their parents) make the call about similar tradeoffs for themselves?
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Can I get fries with that?
He was fat because of his genes. Other kids probably ate as many happy meals as him and were thin as a rail.
That's what the progressives USED to tell me in the 90s.
But that's all changed now. Now it's the corporations' fault.
But I wailed like a car alarm until I got what I wanted.
I tried that once and was rewarded with Dad's belt across my ass. Never did it again. I'm not obese and I go to McDonald's maybe once a year. The moral of this story: Parents, you need to beat your kids more.
I tried the temper tantrum routine once, and my folks thought it was hilarious. The idea that I could get my way by screaming and crying was one of the funniest things they'd seen.
New meme: Liberal parenting is the source of America's childhood obesity crisis.
My daddy beat me and look what happened.
Has this guy met Huckabee yet?
I'll gladly let the government have control of everyone's dietary choices for a hamburger today.
But I wailed like a car alarm until I got what I wanted
It's good that you can place the blame where it belongs, fatboy--on yourself. Too bad your parents were pathetic gutless shits who couldn't say no to their corpulent spawn. If my mom thought I was getting even remotely chunky, guess what? Time for me to go for a three mile run.
No wonder you weigh 600 pounds now, you ocean of lard. Way to stick it to your mom.
It's the metal exoskeleton that weights so much, moron. She also didn't want me to become a cyborg. Take that, mom!
It's like he threw her under the bus or something. Pathetic.
To make this award competitive San Francisco should be permanently banned from consideration.
My first reaction when I read "But I wailed like a car alarm until I got what I wanted" was 'Why didn't his parents whack him on the head?'
I suspect they were "progressive, enlightened" parents who thought corporal punishment was 'brutality.'
I also suspect that, if they had whacked him a few times, the world would have one less whiny nanny.
I dont no when or where he grew up, but in 1970s KY that behavior got your ass whipped. Or at least mine.
Alabama in the 60s and 70s was the same. Merely asking for something a second time after being denied was grounds for ass whoopin. And it didn't matter if you were up in the middle of the Piggly Wiggly.
New Jersey was no different in the 60's and 70's - doing that kind of thing would end up with your parents kicking the crap out you. So that sort of behavior was pretty rare.
I still remember getting dragged out of church at about age 4 and getting spanked on the front steps. Dont remember what I did, but I never did it again.
Hoping to get dragged out of church was why I was acting up in the first place.
I feel sorry for all of you schmucks who had to go to church. My parents never went near church, and the few times I stayed over a friend's house and had to go to church and Sunday school with them, I was so bored and confused I never let it happen again.
No molestations happened as far as I remember. Wait a second...OH NOES
My parents were fairly non-religious themselves. I guess they were going for "make him be religious as a kid to enforce morals" nonsense.
It was especially unfairly because none the men in my family went to church. Ever. Not only was I bored, they were also implying I was a girl.
My parents were fairly non-religious themselves. I guess they were going for "make him be religious as a kid to enforce morals" nonsense.
Reminds me of one of my dad's German cousins. She was a devout Catholic; he never went to church. When I visited the old country, she would make it a point to stop at the church in every town we stopped in. That is, until we got to Breda in the Netherlands. We went into the church and -- horror of horrors! -- it was a Prostetant church.
We didn't step into another church until we got to the Cologne cathedral.
That having been said, the one thing I liked about Catholic Mass in Germany was that they didn't do the idiotic "give each other some sign of Christ's peace"/give everybody your germs thing that they do here in the US.
and the few times I stayed over a friend's house and had to go to church and Sunday school with them, I was so bored and confused I never let it happen again.
It happened a few times, but each time you never let it happen again? :-p
As for my mother, she used God as a crutch whenever she had a temper tantrum and couldn't blame anybody else for something that went wrong. Sometimes, she'd scream that God was punishing her for not going to church; when she hadn't missed a church service, she'd scream that she always went to church and God was still punishing her.
More than enough to turn me into a devout agnostic and hate Irish Catholics.
My best friend in 4th grade was a religious nut, and I wound up going to the kids session at his church once. I think I kind of upset them- I made a lot of dirty jokes during the puppet show. I guess I was pretty depraved by the time I was nine.
Actually, according to my mom it was a bit embarrassing to stay the night at her friend's houses when I was young- by the age of three I swore like a sailor in my sleep.
That was my siblings and me the few times my grandma made the mistake of taking us to church with her.
That episode never made any sense to me. The Simpsons go to church and sunday school regularly... Why the hell wouldn't they have had the kids baptized? I know plenty of people who don't go to church but had their kids baptized anyway; I don't really know anybody who's done the reverse.
Yeah, Ive wondered the same. Then again, maybe its a proper* church where you arent baptized until after your personal confession of salvation. I was much older than Bart.
*poke nest with stick
As an aside, isnt it kinda weird that Baptists are stingy with the baptisms?
The church I went to didn't baptize until 15 or so.
15? Was that considered the "age of reason"? (Yeah I know anyone who thinks 15 year olds are reasonable....)
May I ask what church that was?
Baptist, but I'm not sure what flavor. It was fairly laid back and apolitical.
Marge struggles to project a sense of normalcy for the family. Church is all about hiding the family's derangement from the outside world. And maybe hoping the threat of hell might give her a little control over Bart.
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That episode never made any sense to me.
I think it's called "running out of ideas."
Beth Chedruharazzeb? I think I went to school with her! She finally got married?
I suspect they were "progressive, enlightened" parents who thought corporal punishment was 'brutality.'
Your assumption affords his parents way too much intellectual credit. It's far more likely that they were either ignorant and insufficiently prepared for parenthood or they were simply spineless pushovers that would just as soon buy the kid a pack of smokes at the slightest hint of an imminent temper tantrum. The more progressive parents I've met would never succumb to demands for McDonalds, but instead of a laying down the law with a succinct "NO!" they would expend a great deal of effort explaining in a torturously condescending manner exactly why McDonalds is bad to their little ingrate spawn.
...but instead of a laying down the law with a succinct "NO!" they would expend a great deal of effort explaining in a torturously condescending manner exactly why McDonalds is bad to their little ingrate spawn.
You're right.
I would add that whacking the kid is much more humane.
So is waterboarding.
For the record, I don't believe in corporal punishment but my four-year-old never whines or throws tantrums when she doesn't get what she asks for. Wanna know why? Because the first time she wanted something from a store I said "no" and explained why. Occasionally I'll buy her something if there's a reason, but certainly not if she starts to whine about it. The end result? When I tell her no she says, "Okay, daddy!" and keeps going. Amazing how a four-year-old has more sense then fucking politicians in San Francisco.
Apparently when my sister was about 5, she threw a tantrum at the neighbor's house. The teen daughter of the neighbor got down on the floor and threw her own, kicking and screaming and crying. My sister stopped, watched her a bit, saw how silly it looked and never threw another again ever.
On the other hand, I had to have that lesson beat into me.
He-spawn has developed quite the attitude lately. A whole lot of lip coming from a 10-year old.
I've proposed character building sessions of moving a pile of rocks from one side of the yard and back. Naturally, the wife doesn't approve.
I *so* want a farm I can send the whiny shits that are my children to, so they can acquire some proper perspective on "chores."
Get him a 12-pound sledgehammer and a boulder. When he gives you lip, tell him that he's allowed to eat when he's reduced the boulder to gravel. Or, if you're a softer touch, just make him chop firewood until his hands bleed.
I like this.
Of course, I blame the wife completely for the kids' behavior. If I had been allowed to release my inner ogre when they were younger, we'd have a fraction of the issues that we have now. Ah, modern parenting theory. Only now is she realizing the error of her ways.
I've been training them in the finer arts of sarcasm since birth, which drives the missus to drink. Of course, I keep reminding them that they are but interns and that honing the craft will take years and years of internship.
I've been training them in the finer arts of sarcasm since birth, which drives the missus to drink.
Sounds like a win-win situation to me!
My sister once threw a tantrum in a Disney Store. For years afterward, every time they were in that mall, my mom would point out the store to her and say, "You see that store? That's the store you're not allowed to go in because you don't know how to behave in it." I think my sister would have preferred a simple beating.
And that's the problem. There's too many assholes who think that the only way to control a child is through beatings.
Don't get me wrong. I will have a yardstick with which to discipline. But a well-rounded parent is one who understands the power of psychological torture.
Honestly, all I ask is that parents fucking think. They don't have to raise their kids exactly the same way I raise my kids; hell, I was spanked as a kid and I don't think it scarred me for life or anything. Just, whatever you do, have an intelligent reason for it. Beating the shit out of your kids because you're pissed or because that's how your old man did it... not good reasons.
But a well-rounded parent is one who understands the power of psychological torture.
My mom's guiltings were much, much worse than the worst assbeating I ever got. The memory of them still makes me cringe.
Exactly. Corporal Punishment is government behavior in microcosm. It's an example of failed child rearing / child raising (and no it's not "parenting").
Politicians grant authority to bureaucrats who decree arbitrary rules and then they enforce them with gusto.
Bad parents do the same.
Superior, overman parents lead their children to ever bigger beliefs and better decision-making.
Josh Ozersky's parents were failures, that is, their minds had a failed design. They passed such a failed design to their nerdy, gluttonous son.
I was an obese child, and precisely for the reasons progressives point to: I ate hamburgers far too often.
I like that he credits progressives with the theory that eating a lot makes you fat. Yeah, no right-winger could have figured that out!
Conservation of Energy is so progressive.
Like I said, when the progressives were trying to get "obesity" covered under the Americans With Disabilities Act" in the 90s, people on the right would point out that it wasn't a disability because you could control obesity by eating better food. The progressives scolded us by saying it was all genetic and we had no control over it.
That was before we knew that it was evil corporations that were making us fat. My what progress we've made.
I ate fast food like crazy in high school. Pretty much every lunch during my junior and senior years was at KFC, BK, or Arby's. And I consumed mass quantities back then, so it often involved more than one sandwich.
And yes, I was thin the whole time. Still am, though I'm somewhat heavier than I was at that age.
I don't understand how someone can be fat as a kid. You'd have to not do any sports, not play outside, and not be a whirling ball of energy (which is what kids are) to be fat. It's almost like you'd have to work at being fat. I just don't get it.
Me, either. And I played video games and was relatively bookish, but I also played lots of sports and was active. Like any normal kid of my era.
Nothing about you is normal, ProL. I mean, playing field hockey? Didn't you know that it was for girls? I know that as a cheap, dirty Scot you saw their skirts and thought "kilts! I love it!", but come on.
Field hockey? In Tampa? We didn't even have a hockey team back then. Nah, strictly football, baseball, basketball, and tennis, with some soccer thrown in for good measure. The only real injury I got was from the latter--still have a notch in my shin from a violent kick.
I think most everyone that has played the game at anything beyond playground kickfests has a similar notch.
You just saw the skirts and thought about what was under them........
"Field hockey? In Tampa? We didn't even have a hockey team back then"
Still don't.
Yes, that's right, a mere Stanley Cup and being four points out of second this year is equivalent to not having a team.
Be ashamed.
Oh, come on, Epi... It's called genes. My parents never bought me a Nintendo, I played little league from the time I was five, I was one of those kids who was outside from the moment I woke up until my mom called me in for dinner, but I was a chubby kid. Then I hit puberty and thinned out. Didn't change my activities or anything; just how I'm wired, I guess.
Ah, the latest installment of Epi wondering why everyone isn't like him.
Ozersky: "Happy Meals made me fat."
Ted Bundy: "Porn made me a serial killer."
My God, that's brilliant: Happy Meals for adults! Adult servings of fast food, but instead of cartoons, toys, and games, the Happy Ending Meal will include porn.
This can't lose!
Gives a hole new meaning to the words Greek Food.
"Gives a hole..." [Sic] or no?
by design. I'm a wordsmith ya know.
Oh, it's sick, all right.
"I'd like a Happy Ending Meal, with a Big Whack. Oh, and supersized, too. No, not the food."
That's a Happy Ending Meal?.
Happy Ending Meal?
Gah. Refresh. And curse your nimble fingers ProL.
I prefer not to have a meal accompanying the happy ending, if you know what I mean.
Happy Ending Meals? are not for everybody. Just for those with multiple hungers.
Are you kidding? One of the best mornings of my life was with this woman I was seeing some years ago.
She cooked me a nice breakfast, we had killer sex immediately afterwards and then I went home and took a massive dump.
It doesn't get much better than that in terms of physical gratification.
Drive-thru order taker: "Do you want your Pr0nmeal with nuggets or the longdog?"
I refuse to call these people "progressives". They are anything but progressive.
I prefer "dumbfucks".
They're progressing, all right. The term simply doesn't specify exactly where they're progressing TO...
The "communist" part is supposed to be understood.
Communists aren't health nuts, unless you think cigars and vodka are healthy. Communists understand that people need unhealthy recreational drug use to forget that they're living in a communist country.
Now, fascists, on the other hand...
"But I wailed like a car alarm until I got what I wanted"
That's where I stopped, too. Besides any health issues, eating fast food often enough to make you obese is expensive. We need to keep Happy Meals safe, legal, and rare.
So let me get this straight, SF is pro-gay, but anti-happy? The world is so confusing.
I used to make jokes about SF wanting to legalize pot but criminalize tobacco. But then they voted to keep pot illegal last week.
I was always skinny and it took a long time (and several thousand beers) for me to put on any weight at all. When you are (rightly) remembering veterans today, please pause for a moment of silence for all of those beers who gave all that they had to such a worthy cause.
What a buncha hateful bastards we are ridiculing the gentleman for his disability.
But I wailed like a car alarm until I got what I wanted.
So, very little has changed into adulthood.
So much this.
Baahaha.
"But I wailed like a car alarm until I got what I wanted."
And they were too pacifist to smack you.
Kid doesn't recieve adequate parenting. Never learns self control. Never learns self discipline. Grows up to be an adult that craves the missing parental discipline. Assigns that duty to the government. Now it's the governments responsibilty to keep him from getting fat, drunk, stoned, broke or sick.
"Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy. Libertarians want the government to treat you like an adult."
I suspect cracker jacks will be next as they come with a prize in every box.
When I was a kid, there were toys in boxes of cereal. Is that still the case (if I'm eating cereal it's in the form of grits with cheese and hot sauce).
Last time I bought Cheerios they came with a book in the box.
The prizes suck now. Just some lameass paper thingy.
"And Goddamned, I am going to stop everybody else from eating a single Happy Meal as a way to expiate my sins!"
"My salvation depends on our collective salvation." See the religious undertone in this Progressive ban on tasty hamburguers???
---"See the religious undertone in this Progressive ban on tasty hamburguers???"---
Not tasty hamburgers, McDonalds Happy Meals.
They were covering this story on Bill O'Reilly, and they had one conservative guest and one liberal guest. Predictably, the liberal wanted this stuff banned and the conservative said the parents should be more involved.
Then (literally immediately after) they segued into a story about sexting. The conservative guest was bothered by it, while the liberal said if it was a problem, the parents should be more involved.
Fucking idiots, all of them.
I think Ozersky also was featured in an episode of Anthony Bourdain, where Bourdain basically characterized him as a freak who had replaced food for sex. Looking at and reading more of him, I think that's about right.
Oh, *that* freak show?
Anyone who is willing to pay $26 for a hamburger needs a psych eval.
Depends on the burger.
It better be, as noted upstream, a Happy Ending burger.
Sounds like a real life Costanza.
Fucking idiots, all of them.
Pretty much the only conclusion any raitonal person can reach after watching O'Reilly.
My parents taught me that wailing like a car alarm only got me in trouble.
The rest of the world should not be punished because Ozersky had shitty parents, or because of his genes, whichever it was.
The more I read of these progressive the more I'm convinced they are the spawn of the devil.
Still didn't smokers tell everyone that once the anti-smoking crusade was well and truly established, had convinced otherwise normal people with lies & junk science that SHS was going to kill them within 30 seconds, even in the open air, and that the smell was harmful to their health & little darling kiddies, that drinkers & the overweight would be next in line for the denormalistion & hatred pogram.
'Passive drinking' is the new buzzword among the anti-alcohol shysters and 'passive fat' has already been bandied about by a so-called scientist who stated that you can catch fat. True this is what he said.
So it looks like all those hated smokers are going to have a lot of company soon in the ostracisation from supposedly 'normal' society. They'll be the fat standing outide eating their burgers so as not offend the healthists, the smokers hiding in a corner so as not to offend anyone and drinkers looking for a speakeasy to have a drink in peace.
I hate these 'healthists' with a passion. The world would be a better place without them.
Still you were warned so far be it from me to say you deserve all you're going to get. And take it from me, one of thos hated smokers, the cr*p and the disgust from so-called 'normal' people that will come down on you will be something to behold. Once the authorities have convinced the thin/teetotal that you're damaging their health, and they will because many are useful idiots that cannot think for themselves and cannot breath without having official permission, you'll find your friends, relatives & neighbours will all treat you like something ythey've trod i, someone that shouldn't be allowed to live. That's without being banned from employment, medical treatment, shops, bars, restuarants, public buildings and eventually the open air.
As nasty as it sounds I'm glad that others are now going to be subjected to the same hatred as smokers, especially the fat & drinkers that have taken an active part in demonising them.
I'd say good luck but luck has nothing to do with it, many have contributed to their own denormalisation pogram by actively encouraging the shunning of millions of people they dislike because of their LEGAL, harmless to others, activity.
Harry, I want to swim in the majesty of your awesome bitterness.
Don't be shy, feel free, I've been swimming in the majesty of your awesome hatred of smokers for long enough and it does turn to bitterness of your supposed fellow human beings.
You can ridicule my bitterness, it's more than bitterness, it's sheer hatred for the anti-smoking cabal and those that have actively supported it, and if that includes you then you can take my bitterness & hatred on the chin or lump it.
But have no fear Ayn, you're turn will come make no mistake about it then I'll be asking you if I can swim in the majesty of your bitterness.
Same goes for the other two replies.
Have you read the comments around here much? That might actually be honest praise. We're a bitter bunch.
Your awesome dose of bitterness just made me jizz in my pants.
I better not have to be the victim of your second-hand jizz.
If only it was true that second-hand jizz as you call it did knock off people like you the world would be a far better place.
Kill, kill, kill...the white man.
If I remember my childhood right, I just wanted Happy Meals for the toys, and left the food mostly untouched . . .
I was a fat little fucking brat as a kid. Therefore, ban the happy meal. Actually, just ban hamburgers entirely. FUCK YEAAAHHH!
We touched on this yesterday in the PayDay Loan thread, but the biggest problem with childhood obesity is clearly the roving gangs of McDonalds characters in my neighborhood that chain people to barbers chairs and forcefeed them delicious french fries. That Grimace guy will sit on you and pour chocolate shakes down your throat.
These pushers must be regulated out of existence!!
It's all true. Grimace raped me with a huge french fry when I was little.
That was Keith Olbermann inside the costume. True story.
I don't understand. He loved the happy meals because of the box and the personal allotment of fries, therefore we should ban the toys?
He doesn't even mention banning the parts of the happy meal HE liked.
Go figure.
@bubba,
You just want there to be more victims like me who are forced, yes forced, into obesity by McDonald's, you evil fucker!
Gotta love how all those "professional philosophers" think the slippery slope is a fallacy.
In logic it is a fallacy.
In human behavior it is a tautology.
Wow, another liberal I argued with in my head exposed as being real. Awesome.
I fucking hate people.
From the pictures, he's taken his obese childhood and turned it into an obese adulthood. Who does he blame his current tubbiness on?
Society. In Progressive/Journalism land, institutions are always at fault, never individuals. Therefore we must create more institutions to correct these failures.
If the fault for his obesity when he was a child was McD's, whose fault is it now?
Why are San Francisco's parents so bad?
Ozersky is an idiot. The article actually tries to make the argument that Americans are "brainwashed" into liking the foods we like. Somehow the toy in the box, the character on the packaging, and the celebrity on the screen makes us eat foods that we really don't like.
Thankfully the commenters are overwhelmingly against his drivel.
I have been friends with Josh Ozersky since Sophomore year of high school back in the Coolidge Administration, and I can tell you eating has always been a point of pride with him. If he's claiming he was just a normal kid who got brainwashed into being a husky person, that's just not true. It was a key part of his rebel persona, one that nobody else among our friends -- who were exposed to all the same advertising he was on the nickelodeons and paneled wireless units that were our only form of entertainment in those days -- could hope to match.