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Good Reasons To Feed Sick Kids McDonald's

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San Francisco's proposed ban on toys in Happy Meals (or any meal) "unless their sugar, sodium and fat totals are limited and they include a half-cup apiece of fruit and vegetables" continues to slide through the legislative apparatus of the city of San Francisco, with the Land Use and Economic Development committee giving the thumbs up to the rule and recommending full Board of Supervisors approval. In the San Francisco Chronicle account of the committee hearing, this tidbit appeared:

Many pediatricians spoke in favor of the ban, one from San Francisco General even telling the supes of seeing waiting rooms full of kids clutching soda, chips and Chicken McNuggets. (Isn't that like riding the brakes on your way to get your car serviced?)

Those eager to ban toys in kids meals should think about this example for a minute. Why might kids in a pediatrician's office or emergency room be eating convenience foods? Because their parents are suckers, too stupid to fight back against the marketing ploys of Big Food? Maybe.

But perhaps parents are feeding sick kids (or the siblings of sick kids) fast food for good reasons: If a parent have been up all night taking care of a kid with an earache, homecooking might not be in the cards that day. And a trip to the doctor means adding medical bills to her worries. Which makes a cheap, drive-through fast food meal a very reasonable option. And a cute toy could provide a welcome distraction for a suffering child. Feeding kids Happy Meals every single day isn't good parenting. But the occasional toy-and-nugget combo could make a rough day for a time- and cash-strapped family a little bit better. Not every fast food meal fed to a kid is a pure negative for society—or for the kid.

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  1. Many pediatricians spoke in favor of the ban, one from San Francisco General even telling the supes of seeing waiting rooms full of kids clutching soda, chips and Chicken McNuggets. (Isn’t that like riding the brakes on your way to get your car serviced?)

    What the ffff?

    1. Exaggeration: My anti-fat.

    2. That doctor should have his license revoked.

    3. Apparently even some doctors are now unable to distinguish between chronic poor lifestyle choices that will manifest in health problems later in life, and acute illnesses that affect children as children?

  2. “If a parent have been up all night taking care of a kid with an earache, homecooking might not be in the cards that day. And a trip to the doctor means adding medical bills to her worries. Which makes a cheap, drive-through fast food meal a very reasonable option. And a cute toy could provide a welcome distraction for a suffering child. Feeding kids Happy Meals every single day isn’t good parenting. But the occasional toy-and-nugget combo could make a rough day for a time- and cash-strapped family a little bit better. Not every fast food meal fed to a kid is a pure negative for society?or for the kid.”

    How dare you be so reasonable!

    1. Seriously. My wife and I rarely pick up fast food for family meals, but when we do it’s usually on days that we’re hauling the kids to and from meetings, appointments, etc.

      Besides, if I don’t have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to my kids when they demand a happy meal, then I’m royally fucked as a parent in a way that banning happy meals won’t fix.

      1. For some inexplicable reason, the word “no” remained in my vocabulary after giving birth.

        I’m not sure how it is that so many parents seem to have lost that capacity…

        (also, hi! I hear you’re going to make some beer for me!)

        1. Now that’s one request which rarely gets a “no” from me. Okay, maybe if the kids asked for some it might…

  3. I think it’s easy to get lost in the minutia of the utilitarian argument for this and that…

    The fact is that the City of San Francisco has no business deciding what McDonalds can or can’t sell with its kid’s meals. …regardless of whether it’s a net benefit for society.

    People don’t exist for the benefit of society. Some of them may be a net negative–so what? Some of them may make choices that negatively impact society–so what? Who says everything has to be a net positive for society?

    San Francisco’s proposal shows utter contempt for individuals and their freedom of choice, and I don’t give a damn whether toys in happy meals are a net positive or not.

    1. Toys and happy meals are definitely a net positive, you prude.

      Oh, we’re talking about McDonalds? Never mind.

    2. it’s easy to get lost in the minutia of the utilitarian argument

      Fuck utilitarianism.

      No, actually, it isnt.

      1. Really?

        So, if happy meals are a net negative (instead of a positive), does that mean it’s okay for the City of San Francisco to veto my choices?

        What if it’s a positive for now and turns into a net negative in the future? Utilitarianism cuts both ways bub–if you’re arguing it’s a net positive sometimes now, so it shouldn’t be illegal…

        …it flows quite naturally that if it’s a net negative–whatever “it” is–then the government should squash it.

        That’s why utilitarianism sucks. You’re conceding half-the battlefield to the nanny state before you’ve even started fighting…

        Once we start arguing that things shouldn’t be illegal because they’re a net positive, we’re already arguing on their terms.

        No thanks.

        Freedom is its own reward. I won’t give up hardly any of it for a qualitatively better society–not willingly. I sure wouldn’t give up my right as an entrepreneur to run whatever promotion I want–not to save fat kids from being so rollie pollie, that’s for sure!

        Big fat rollie pollie kids. Ha! There was a kid when I was in grade school whose mom used to send him with a baggie full of fruit loops to hold him over until his big fat lunchtime. Big fat kid.

    3. “Who says everything has to be a net positive for society?”

      I DO!

      1. fuck you nanny

        1. NOT WITHOUT WRITTEN CONSENT AND A JIMMY CAP.

    4. Who says everything has to be a net positive for society?

      “Progressives.”

  4. unless their sugar, sodium and fat totals are limited

    So as long as the meal doesn’t contain an infinite amount of sugar they’re OK.

  5. But I’ll bet they think that salty goldfish crackers, processed American cheese slices, or over-sugared and artificially flavored/colored yogurt cups are “healthy” snacks for kids to eat in lieu of fast food.

    1. colored yogurt cups are “healthy” snacks

      My pedantic father (from whom I learned little) would lean in and respond with “healthful snacks” (as would Tim Cavanaugh, no doubt), but other than that, you’re spot on.

      1. I eat a large amount of healthy foods. I know they’re healthy because they’ve been cured.

    2. All the more reason to make sure that happy meals are healthy! Am I right? Yeah, that guy, in the back, HE knows what I’m talking about.

  6. one from San Francisco General even telling the supes of seeing waiting rooms full of kids clutching soda, chips and Chicken McNuggets.

    You can almost taste the mix of condescension, pity, and contempt in this sentence.

    1. if you clutch a McNugget doesn’t it squirt out between you fingers?

      1. Well, see, the kids’ fingers are so sticky from the sugary stuff that the grease doesn’t work.

    2. Pediatricians really are some of the worst nannies out there.

      1. Good point. They most certainly are.

  7. WE WILL TELL YOU WHAT’S BEST FOR YOU AND YOU WILL COMPLY OR DIE!

    1. Wait….hold on right there for a second (searching for button under my desk….).

      BOOOOOOOMMMMMM!!!

      1. SEE! SEE! I told you it was scary! And did you people listen to me? NO!

        I’m going to ride my bike, goddamit.

  8. Or because kids going to the pediatrician know damn well after the first couple of times that going to that office means they’re getting a shot or multiple shots, and the Micky D’s was a bribe to get them in the car, the way you might lure a Great Dane into the vet’s office with a squeaky toy.

    Pediatricians have to realize that they mean well, but that kids fucking hate them and regard them all as potential Dr. Mengeles.

    1. I hate any pediatrician who actually believes that you can cure childhood obesity by banning one company from providing a toy with the meal.

      Medical schools really will take (and pass) anyone.

      1. They’ll take anyone until the medical board imposed quota is full.

    2. I’ve always wanted to bring a candy bar and a Coke into the waiting room at my dentist’s office, but I’ve never had the balls.

      Dentists (and even worse, their assistants) are some of the most skilled n_ggers on the planet. Not to mention they have a license to drill.

      1. Bag of oreos.

        1. Bag of oreos.

          robc, I realize that you probably meant this in response to Tulpa’s first paragraph, but I confess that I initially read it as a response to his second.

          1. No comment.

            🙂

            Okay, I wish I could be that funny on purpose.

      2. My dentist has complementary cookies and coffee in the waiting room. It’s like going to the oncologist to see a free bowl of cancer by the three-year-old Time magazines.

        1. “Free Bowl of Cancer” would be a good name for a punk rock album.

          I mean if the DKs can do “Plastic Surgery Disasters”…

        2. My dentist also has complementary cookies and coffee in the waiting room. Plus, they have a massage therapist in the office on Thursdays, and offer warmed blankets, neck pillows, headphones, and tv while you’re in the chair.

          Pretty f’in sweet.

      3. The best prep for the dentist is to eat a big bag of cheetos just before you arrive (leaving no time for brushing).

        1. It’s the only way to really get your money’s worth.

        2. Hey, to really make them earn their pay, have a liverwurst and swiss sandwich with onions and mustard on your way over to the appointment.

          1. I got to talking with my dental tech the last time I had an appointment. Being my usual self, I asked her out of the blue if she ever had anyone who was a little too “excited” when getting a cleaning. She told me about a guy who kept running his tongue over the instruments and her fingers while she was cleaning his teeth. She thought it was just involuntary until she realize he had a prominent erection.

            1. Remember Jack Nicholson’s character in the original Little Shop of Horrors (played by Bill Murray in the later remake)?

              “Don’t stop now!!”

      4. Dentists (and even worse, their assistants) are some of the most skilled n_ggers on the planet..

        Why did you remove the ‘i’? It doesn’t make you any less racist.

        1. You assume it was an “i” that he removed.

          Racist.

          1. So you were suggesting he was going to write ‘nyggers’? Like Womyn?

        2. He removed an “a.”

          “Brush your teeth after every meal.”
          “Floss every day!”
          “Don’t open beer bottles with your teeth.”

          The nagging gets tiresome quickly.

            1. If dentists were predominantly black, you might have a case.

        3. South Park had an episode about Wheel of Fortune. Watch it and you’ll understand.

          Thanks for playing, though. Racist.

        4. Oh I’m not racist. Just Anti-Dentite.

      5. Naggers?

        1. That’s a word that should be yelled loudly and in public. It had to be an ‘i’ he removed…

    3. My daughter is scared of all elevators because the pediatrician is on the third floor.

      1. So she gets the extra exercise from taking the stairs as well. Excellent. All is proceeding as I have foreseen.

  9. Wow, downright scary when you think about it.

    http://www.be-anon.net.tc

  10. If San Francisco gets any lamer….

    1. We know you wanted to say gayer.

      Pussy.

      1. g_yer… there, does that make it better?

  11. Ronald’s got a pretty sweet rack, there.

    1. At least she’s not at the gyno’s office. All the “honka-honka” noises can distract during a PAP smear.

      1. Is that the voice of personal experience?

        1. Japanese website. The video worked, but I could never find a translation for the page that made any sense.

    2. It’s a tranny. It’s Brazil.

  12. Or a happy meal might pacify a sick, whiny, pissy, irritated kid.

    Sort of the way my Dad would take me to KFC after church.

    1. you sick, whiny pissy, irriatated little bastard…

      1. Church wasn’t my cup of tea.

        1. Did you ever catch on fire?

  13. Back when I was a 40+ mile per week runner, I used to run past a McDonalds drive thru a few times a week and look at the people in line with pure disgust, like “you fat slobs waiting in your cars for that food make me sick”.

    Now, I hit the same Mickey D’s drive thru several times a week. I usually pass on the fries and often opt for a snack wrap for lunch.

    But as much endorphin inspired hatred as I remember mustering was never enough for me to ever consider wanting laws prohibiting those fat fucks idling in their cars and purchasing the food they wanted to stuff down their fat faces. People who take that leap are really sick.

    1. People who take that leap are really sick.

      As opposed to the self-righteous moron who runs 40 miles for fun. What, should I fall down and worship you because you don’t have the brains to get in a fucking car?

      1. He wasn’t asking you to. He was differentiating between health nuts and health fascists.

        I used to run about the same mileage a week. I did it for me, not for anyone else’s opinion.

  14. Also, my kid eats LESS at McDonald’s because of the Happy Meal toy.

    The existence of the toy means that he demands a Happy Meal, which contains a regular hamburger and a small fries.

    Were it not for the toy, I would get him a quarter pounder with cheese and a large fries, so that he can put on the pounds and be ready to fuck the other kids up once he gets out of nursery school and has to fight for dominance and chicks.

    So the Happy Meal toy is actually lowering his caloric and sodium intake on our visits to McDonald’s.

    1. I greatly admire your parenting skills and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

      1. Unfortunately, you’re already subscribed and paying for ours, whether you know it, like it, or not.

        All your children are belong to us.

      2. Laugh now, but I will have the last laugh when my kid deflowers your daughter and then never calls her again.

        1. Let me tell you, man whore teenagers are more trouble than they’re worth. I’m lucky my thirteen year old hasn’t gotten me killed yet.

          1. I’m lucky my thirteen year old hasn’t gotten me killed yet.

            Your crazy girlfriend is supposed to do that.

        2. Yep, because nothing gets the ladies like a fatass that smells like Arby’s. 😉

        3. My daughter is getting Rape-aXe for her 16th birthday.

          You have been warned.

          1. I’m disappointed. I was envisioning an actual ax(e) to use on a rapist.

          2. Better make it three.

          3. I’m too disturbed to sit there and examine the pictures and too lazy to google it. How the heck is that thing supposed to work?

            1. It’s like a roach motel:

              “Cocks go in, but they don’t come out”

  15. What’s up with that picture? It looks like Ronald’s been taking female hormones.

    1. Japan, dude, don’t ask…

  16. Why might kids in a pediatrician’s office or emergency room be eating convenience foods? Because their parents are

    probably not rich, and therefore they offend the eyes of San Franciscans, who’ve gone to a lot of legal trouble over the last few decades to force those people out of the city.

    I mean, it’s gross enough there’s still a tiny remnant black population there, walkin’ around lookin’ all busted all the time, but for white people, being a visual blight is optional. Some of them?those needy breeders, especially?just need the McDonald’s bag slapped out of their hand as a reminder of that.

  17. Meanwhile in south america:

    http://gawker.com/5656262/boli…..occer-game

    1. Cartagena got kneed in the groin a second time by a presidential bodyguard, then arrested for assaulting the president

      Holy shit.

      I guess it’s good to be the marxist tyrant douchebag leader of the poor coca farmers.

  18. Warning. This story is bullshit as there are no children living in Ess Eff.

    A few juvenile human pets, but clearly no children.

    1. Shrinking enrollment = smaller class sizes.

      Yet strangely, districts which constantly pine for just such a scenario freak out when their class sizes get smaller without a government mandate.

    2. A few juvenile human pets animal companions, but clearly no children.

      FTFY.

      1. No, you broke it. Pip was clearly talking about human pets, wink, wink, say no more….

        And you’d better say no more or it’s the kennel for you, buddy!

  19. If you accompanied him on a trip to the hardware store or similar boring errand, my dad would buy you an ice cream from McDonald’s drive-thru. I hate to break it to San Francisco, but a bunch of arugula just wouldn’t be the same.

    1. I have a cunning, compromise plan: Fried arugula!

      1. I’ll take two head worth. Does that come with bluecheese dressing for dipping?

      2. Have you seen the price of arugula at Whole Foods lately?

        1. Is this the hipster version of asking if a candidate knows the price of a gallon of milk?

      3. Is that like those fried onions bloom things? Those are straight up killers.

        1. Arugula is healthy.

      4. The local vegetarian resturant tried that trick on me with “kale chips” – never before nor since have I been served something in a resturant that I was so skeptical qualified as food.

        1. If deep-frying alone is not enough, employ a batter and dipping sauces.

        2. Kale is not food. Its garnish. Period.

          1. What about parsley?

  20. Liberals have such a warm, inspiring perception of the sheeple: they’re just too fucking stupid, even under a constant bombardment of public and private nutrional marketing, to know how to feed their children.

    Micky D’s, a paradigm for shitty service and product, better get behind Prop 19.

  21. Since when does Ronald have tits? Is that what eating Happy Meals does to you?

    Also [topic change alert], if a house burns down, and Reason doesn’t comment on it, does that mean that markets are efficient?

    1. Go down a few threads.

      I’d be willing to bet there’s 200+ comments about a house burning down.

    2. Shouldn’t you be at home working on The 630 Hats of Bartholomew Cubbins?

    3. Also [topic change alert], if a house burns down, and Reason doesn’t comment on it, does that mean that markets are efficient?

      Only if it’s your house.

    4. Read the Morning Links, dipshit.

    5. Also [topic change alert], if a house burns down, and Reason doesn’t comment on it, does that mean that markets are efficient?

      You mean when the city government-run fire department has a policy of having their fee for people who live outside the city be voluntary and not covering people who don’t pay it? Everyone in the city pays it as part of taxes, for the county it’s optional.

      Sheesh, Vannenman, I’m used to you and others blaming libertarians for everything that a corporation does that you don’t like, but now you and others are blaming libertarians when government does something you don’t like.

      Also, you missed the thread earlier.

  22. Taking food into the waiting room seems a bit gauche to me.

    1. A room full of sick kids really lowers my appetite.

    2. Not if you share. Miss Manners is clear on this topic.

  23. There’s a great reason to feed McDonald’s to your kid – it’s healthy. That’s right. Remove the bun from that hamburger, and you’ve removed the part that makes you fat: the carbs. Have a bacon cheese Angus burger, and you won’t have to run all those miles to stay thin. I sure don’t. And as I blogged recently: “Fast food is one of the triumphs of modern America. I love it. It’s completely amazing that you can be hungry, drive into a lane, talk to a box, pay less than $5, and have pretty delicious food come out a window around the building a minute or two later.”

    1. “and have pretty delicious food come out a window around the building”

      I remember when the coloreds had to do it like that.

    2. You’re completely unpredictable.

      I’d have bet money you’d be on the other side of this.

    3. I was high once, and I ordered a angon and bacus cheeseburger at McDonald’s. Then I stood there oblivious for a minute after my order was already placed on the counter in front of me.

    4. When I was in prep school, there were this one group of guys in the dorm who couldn’t find a date in a health food store, and every time a girl walked into the room, for some reason they just became compulsively obnoxious.

      I figured someday they’d grow out of it, but I’ve seen it happen at the office, in bars, at the beach… It happens everywhere. You’d be surprised.

  24. But the occasional toy-and-nugget combo could make a rough day for a time- and cash-strapped family a little bit better.

    This is not compatible with the goal of outlawing pleasure.

  25. An atempt to respond to the alleged statement by “many pediatricians” assumes that the pediatricians are telling the truth. They are not. They’ve never stepped into the waiting room to see any kids clutching anything. Controlling other people is what this is all about. As the Dead Poets so wisely said, “Wake up n—–s or we’re all through”.

    1. I live on the completely opposite coast, so I wouldn’t know SF docs from Jersey docs, but in all my life, either being a patient or taking my kid to the doc, have I ever seen a pede or other doc enter the patients waiting room. The nurses barely do – they peek out the door, call your name, and disappear behind it before you’re even out of your seat to follow them in.

      1. Jeebus, people, you can’t cruise the waiting room if you don’t get out there and strut.

    1. A greatful nation thanks you.

      1. Damn! I almost always misspell grateful.

  26. “Last” poets.

  27. I also hear San Francisco sends firefighters to your house, just for paying your taxes. What a bunch of commie fag junkies.

    1. I see nap-time has ended.

      1. Well, I could always post a recipe. That’d be fucking clever of me.

    2. Not yours though. They know you’re a deadbeat.

    3. Unfortunately, soon they will send firefighters to your house to chop through your door with an axe to stop you from eating french fries without a permit.

      1. Ah, yes. What would conservatism be without imaginary enemies?

        Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

        1. You ever seen a grown man naked?

        2. Considering the fact that the Food Police are about a decade ahead of where even the timelines of the paranoid predicted they’d be by now back in the 90’s, I think that no hyperbole is too strong or out of bounds.

          Armed force is the ultimate argument behind all regulation of any kind, in any event. If I owned a McDonald’s and said “Fuck you, I’m not complying. Blow me,” eventually I’d get an armed response.

    4. What happens when an Oakland resident calls the SFFD?

  28. Fun fact: many children’s hospitals have a McDonald’s inside. Perhaps these hospitals understand the importance of making desirable food available to sick kids better than a bunch of bureaucrats.

    I wonder if the doctor quoted in the article also bemoans the fact that parents also give their children drugs containing alcohol and mild hallucinogens when they are sick?

    1. Another fun fact: Those McDonald’s are often as much for the doctors as they are for the patients.

      One of the things that your average doctor has to learn is to live off of junk food. XD

  29. I like to pay my taxes. With them I buy society.

    Of course, the people who do not live within San Francisco do not pay those taxes and accordingly should not expect to be served by the San Francisco fire department.

    Perhaps that is too complicated a concept for you to understand.

    We shall put it in coloring book form and use very small words for you.

  30. Hey, the Tea Party’s got a coloring book now. That could keep you occupied for days.

    1. That doesn’t make sense. I thought the Tea Party was all White?

      1. White text on white paper is hard to read, so we had to let some color in.

  31. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter in the emergency room, they cling to Chicken McNuggets or Happy Meals or antipathy toward people who act superior-like or are anti-fast food as a way to explain their frustrations with waiting for GODDAM HOURS in a waiting room.”

  32. Assuming that the average consumer of a McDonald’s Happy Meal is 4-8 years old, a Happy Meal is 550 calories, or about 1/3 of the recommended caloric intake for that age group.

    Zounds, how fucking horrible…a kid getting 1/3 of his RDA in calories (and most of the other nutritional metrics) at 1 of 3 meals. Holy diver, someone call the cops.

  33. The parents need to be re-educated.

    1. Nobody better to raise America’s children than a cadre of faceless government bureaucrats.

  34. The Ronald McDonald House is one of the better things to happen for families with sick kids.

    The nannies can go fuck themselves.

  35. Feeding kids Happy Meals every single day isn’t good parenting.

    In YOUR opinion, of course.

    Which makes a cheap, drive-through fast food meal a very reasonable option [when strapped for cash].

    Which tells me this ban has NOTHING to do with toys or children, but with the competing joints that do not serve cheap food.

  36. We don’t need a law to get people to stop eating Chicken McNuggets… just show them a picture of this fucking disgusting pink goo they make nuggets out of:

    http://consumerist.com/2010/10…..-like.html

    Honestly, there is no reason to be eating McDonalds instead of sweet-delicious Chick-Fil-A where nuggets are made from *real* chicken.

    1. OK I eat my words… Chicken McNuggets are not in fact made from Mechanically Seperated Chicken goo, but they are still vile.

    2. Kids like that shit. Hot dogs, chicken nuggets, bologna

  37. You’ll make an excellent mother KM-W.

  38. Why do children with cancer typically throw up their final meal?

    Well, because they’ve been eating the food at Ronald McDonald House!

    Ergh…

  39. DEY TOOK UR JERBS.

  40. isn’t it always the parents last say on what a child gets to eat? maybe the kids will want a happy meal more cause for the toy but parents need to step up and have the final say int their childs diet and lifestyle. to learn how to fight obesity check out http://www.diet-myths.com

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