Rush vs. Rand Paul
That's Canadian prog-rock trio—and Ayn Rand enthusiasts—Rush, whose attorney has sent a cease-and-desist letter to Republican senatorial hopeful Rand Paul over his use of the band's songs during campaign stops. The Louisville Courier-Journal has the details:
[Robert] Farmer, general counsel for the Anthem Entertainment Group Inc. in Toronto, which is Rush's record label, has sent a letter to Paul campaign officials informing them that they have violated copyright laws -- and urging them to stop."This is not a political issue -- this is a copyright issue," Farmer said in an interview. "We would do this no matter who it is."…
Jesse Benton, Paul's campaign manager, said in an e-mail: "The background music Dr. Paul has played at events is a non-issue. The issues that matter in this campaign are cutting out-of-control deficits, repealing Obama Care and opposing cap and trade."
He did not say if the campaign would stop using the band's music.
Obligatory Rush video below:
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Disappointed!
No, ProL. This is about Rush, not PIL.
I can see how you would get Geddy Lee and Johnny Rotten confused.
I was doing the Otto "Disappointed!" from A Fish Called Wanda. Which is even less sequitury.
Sorry, my mistake P-P-P-ProL.
AssHOLES!!
Exactly. A dream I have is that Kline reprises his role as Otto in a new TV series. I suggested that once in an Urkobold posting (scroll to the bottom).
Most excellent.
And yet, I can see it being better than 99% of the other shows already on.
It should be an HBO show, so it can be edgy and porny.
Don't forget to get crossover with True Blood, where he becomes a vampire hunter for a 3-episode arc.
Misquoting Nietzsche as he terminates various vampires? Sure, I can see that.
Well, you could have that. I'm just thinking of how you could get more titties into the show.
HBO has no problem with that. I think the first minute of the first episode of Rome I saw was so focused.
THE RIVER!
LOL, Rush is an idiot. Always has been, always will. Some things just never change!
Lu
http://www.Anonymous-VPN.de.tc
Anonbot is shrike?
Win.
Disappointing. Your analysis of Chuck Shumer was spot on. Your description of Rush as a singular person shows that you are not quite ready to declare war on the humans.
Three-man Canadian bands are deceptive in that way.
The programmer forgot to add Rush to the list of Libertarian-Favorite-Reference-Materials, and so all it came up with was Limbaugh.
And thus are we again saved from AI taking over the world.
Till the heuristic learning routines are completed at least.
Did you run the tic-tac-toe application (zero players)?
Yeah, but every time he cross references it with nuclear war, he says "LOL" and runs it again for kicks.
The priests of the Temple of Syrinx will not be pleased.
So is Jethro Tull. Seed drill, indeed.
Take off, eh.
It's a beauty way to go.
One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity. Yeah.
Perfect
Hopefully - This is a misunderstanding and not Rush not caving in to PC and worrying about an association to Rand Paul.
Well, they were pretty clear. They said they don't license their copyrights for political uses, period. It doesn't appear that they're attempting to be a bunch of twats trying to make a statement. Apparently nothing personal.
Besides, they're Canadian!
Being selfish bastards who want to keep their music close to their chest makes them fairly Randian/Libertarian. They have their reasons, it's their business, so who gives a crap?
Rand was pro-IP laws. Libertarians have been making a move away from them. But then again, Rush got rich from IP laws. What would your position be?
Which song was Rand Paul's campaign using?
Nevermind, I just RTFA'd.
'Tom Sawyer', 'Spirit of the Radio'...
I'd have gone for "Working Man." Or "The Temples of Syrinx."
Oh, just cut to the chase and play "Anthem".
You lack subtlety, my dear Zebulon.
Cutting to the chase usually involves dropping any subtlety.
Which is why I object to it.
Cut to the Chase was one of the weaker songs off Counterparts anyway. Double Agent was way better.
"Didacts and Narpets" then?
And good job on my name. Most people guess Zebediah.
All Zebs are Zebulons to me.
it's a good guess because anyone trolling the comments here is likely to have had a parent that was up on the US history.
I know it's obvious, but I'm partial to 'Freewill'....
Testing for echo...
I'd have gone for "Working Man." Or "The Temples of Syrinx."
"Distant Early Warning", Pro'L Dib. I have spoken.
"I Think I'm Going Bald"
"Need Some Love"
I am partial to Red Barchetta and YYZ, myself.
YYZ is awesome. If I never heard Tom Sawyer again I wouldn't miss it.
I felt that way about TS, but recently I started to enjoy it on a new level.
YYZ - yes. GREAT bass part. Plus, no stupid Peart lyrics (weakest part of Rush songs)
Shut yo mouth!
Donate! How awesome is it that a serving Senator will be a Rush fan? http://www.randpaul2010.com
I'd only donate if he based his platform on addressing the sad level of underrating Thin Lizzy has achieved in this nation.
I mean every album between 1975 and 1983 is hard rock gold, and they get two songs on the radio. What's the point of an FCC if they can't address this oversight?
Gotta ditto the Thin Lizzy props - those guys are great musicians, and very good songwriters. RIP Phil Lynott - just posted "Jailbreak" to FB - one of the tunes my first R&R band played when we were in high school 🙂
A-freakin'-men!!!
If you're a Phil Lynott fan, don't miss Jeff Wayne's version of The War of the Worlds. Justin Hayward does vocals.
Great album, plus they got Richard Burton sober for long enough to do some decent narration.
The campaign played like 10 seconds of Spirit of Radio upon Rand making his victory speech. OMG!
The other reference was to a youtube video made by a supporter to the music of Tom Sawyer that was linked on an official campaign site.
THE SPACE HE INVADES HE GETS BY ON YOUUUUU
THE SPACE INVADERS SPIT HYMENS YOU!!!
"Randy doesn't wear shirts, Mr. Lifeson. That's just the way it is."
Patrick Stewart got knighted. I really like him, but how is it that he got knighted before the Shat? Can Canadians get the full knight treatment?
The coolest knight of them all, of course, is Sir Christopher Lee. Not because of his acting, but because he was like a super spy during World War II.
Yet, John Rhys-Davies has yet to be knighted.
Yet?
How dare you point out my superfluous yet, Pro'L Dib. I warn you, I am not Imperially Conditioned. And you recently had dental surgery, no?
Here, have a carrot!
I've never had anything done to my teeth other than a regular cleaning. Part of the genetic superiority of Homo sapiens neanderthalensis.
Yet.
you see this randy? when someone like alex lifeson gives you a fuckin t shirt to put on, you're puttin the fuckin thing on.
Sweet, I was wondering when the first TPB reference was going to pop up.
Now frigg off.
What will you do for a cheeseburger, Epi?
When someone like Alex Lifeson give you a fucking t-shirt...!
Rush are goofy anyway. He may as well use Ambrosia or Budgie...
you wont get wise with the sleep still in your eyes
Why the Trees? Why!
I always thought they sucked anyway.
Well, I like Skynyrd and Rush, so there!
I can see not liking them, but how can you say they suck? Or are you one of those assholes that can't accept that anything you don't like can be good?
That is true for everything post-Hemispheres. But the early stuff is good Rock and Roll. How many bands did the synthesizer ruin?
Maybe they suck, but at least they're not as bad as Skynyrd.
What is this, offend Pro Lib Day?
Sorry man. The southern rock shit just blows. Really though I don't think Rush sucks, if that helps.
You, sir, are a cad. My seconds will call upon your seconds and repeat my insult.
Your douchebaggery is showing, friend.
This is how the Civil War really got started.
I have nothing against Rush or their music.
Rush fans on the other hand. Wow those people are annoying.
Yes yes, we know...."it's only 3 guys" who are making that awesome music. WE KNOW!!
I'll tell you one thing, there's nothing like one of these three-man bands in concert. They've got to be able to actually perform. Rush, the Police, Triumph, and so on typically have quite a bit of talent.
Silverchair
Ah, there's a debate: Which is the greatest three-man rock band in history?
ZZ Top
Cream
Hanson.
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!
(wipes eyes) Yeah, like I could even attempt to say that with straight face.
Cream.
Damnit! Ska beat me by a minute!!
What about the Bee Gees? Would they count as a 3 man band?
Definitely Cream.
Green Day
Cream is so far ahead of the rest that this forum is closed. Go home.
*barf!*
That was for Green Day.
Morphine
Not that I would agree with it, but Primus was a three-man band...they loved Rush.
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
King's X.
Actually agree with Cream but wanted to throw out other options.
Gov't Mule
Do 4+ pieces with three men count? Or do they have to be trios? The Minutemen.
By the way, Cream sucks. The Jimi Hendrix Experience was way better.
I'll tell you one thing, there's nothing like one of these three-man bands in concert. They've got to be able to actually perform. Rush, the Police, Triumph, and so on typically have quite a bit of talent.
I agree with you 100%
I'm just sick of fucking hearing about from Rush fans!
WE GET IT!!!
Gotcha.
My brother has a Triumph DVD based on some early 80s concert, and they did some pretty impressive stuff.
Mr. Bungle (yeah, it's 4 guys, but the crazy shit their music requires of them makes it at least as impressive).
You don't understand, their drummer can count to nine.
http://video.adultswim.com/rob.....ctors.html
I'm a huge fan of Rush, and in particular Neil Peart's lyrics are outstanding, but...
Why is Rand using a CANADIAN band anyways?
I mean seriously. Jesus guy, get it together. I know they are great tunes but COME ON.
Some Canadians are great Americans. Like the Shat.
Are you suggesting that others are as great, or [shudder] greatER than The Shat?
He's the greatest possible American. Which is why he had to be Canadian. Otherwise, he'd be our dictator.
The Shat knows no boundaries. That you sully him with our puny borders is inching towards heresy.
Especially after "Has Been"
Which made him the King of All Media.
Rue McClanahan died today. That means there is another rule three dead celebrity threesome coming just on the heels of the Linkletter, Hopper, Coleman threesome. I actually am starting to fear for Shat.
Like the Shat could die. I see you are not familiar with science fiction.
John -- Remember when I said I would kill you last? I LIED!
He should be using a Sons of Liberty tune by John Schaffer from Iced Earth for a more American perspective ball kicking perspective.
IP is being interpreted to depressingly absurd lengths. Anything more fresh than from a ragtime era songbook done on a upright piano in a public airing has become verboten.
Exactly how does playing a song as background music during a public meeting be a case of copyright infringement?
Unauthorized Public Performance? That's all i got, sry.
Because copyright holders have exclusive rights to public performances of their works. That's why radio stations, for instance, pay large licensing fees to play music. That's why corner bars pay ASCAP and BMI just so they can book cover bands.
There's nothing radical taking place here.
Awesome...the government should taze and imprison Rand Paul since he violated the most holy right of all!
PROPERTY RIGHTS!!!!!!!1
intellectual property rights, brain genius. You should read what Hayek thinks of them.
Anon bot's comments make more sense.
@Paul:
As Metallica would say, sad but truuuuueee
you cannot homestead ideas you randbot!
Some copyright lawyer want to take a stab at this? Playing a clip of a song at a rally where there's no admission fee is a "public performance" and you need a "license"? Do I need their permission to hook my iPod up to a speaker at a pool party?
If it is at a public pool, probably.
Uh, what would an "admission fee" have to do with anything?
Where do people get this weird idea that just because money doesn't change hands, copyright infringement is somehow less infringe-y? It's completely irrelevant to the basic equation. Exclusivity either exists or it doesn't.
You see this all the time with lame file-sharing defenses -- this idea that because no one is "profiting" from the distribution, there's nothing wrong with it.
Some really smart people get really dumb when it comes to copyright issues.
I don't really agree with that position, but it's clear it IS the way the law stands. Rush have a case. If you think that a campaign act is not public or that admission fees matter, you clearly don't know enough about copyright law.
Of course you can mention there is discrimination in whom the book is thrown at. You can make a public party, all with admission fees, and play copyrighted music, and most of the times the artists or the RIAA will not do anything. Or you could play The Lion King in your daycare, where you charge day fees. In this sense you can argue there is something political in singling out Rand Paul's campaign playing the music. Still, as the law stands, all instances of unlicensed public performance, including the daycare, are equally illegal. Just not enforced.
If I run for office, my theme song is going to be all seventeen minutes of "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida."
mine would be all 63 minutes of sleep's 'dopesmoker'. how do you like that one, warty?
I once got high and tried to listen to that the whole way through. I fell asleep.
you must not have been high enough.
Mine will be the uncut version of "Drown".
Nothing gets a crowd going more than 9 minutes of controlled feedback.
saw the melvins last night, 2 hours of drums and controlled feedback. de-cent.
The original LP version of Pink Floyd's Shine on you crazy diamond (Parts 1-9)!
Either that or The Allman Brothers Band, Mountain Jam
Oh, Jesus, I'm a fool. "Revolution 9", of course.
Both excellent choices. Political rallies put me to sleep, just like those two songs did thousands of times in my youth. Well, parts of those songs, darn vinyl disks.
Descendents "All"
Campaign events would then close with "No, All!"
Mine would be all 80 minutes of Hawkwind's "Space Ritual." I would seem positively charming after that aural barrage.
If I really wanted to get serious, I'd use all 100 minutes of Mahler's Third Symphony.
Or, thinking a little outside the box, the "Theme from Sanford & Son."
Yessssss. "Theme from Sanford & Son"! I would vote for you.
And I would talk like Fred Sanford in all of my public addresses: "I warn you, Congressman, vengeance is among me! And ugly is among you."
Rush is just boring. Yeah they are great musicians. But they have never done a song, sans Working Man which is a serious piece of 70s cheese guilty pleasure, that ever rocked. It kind of rocks. And you think it should be good. And you want it to be good. But it really isn't.
I was not angry since I came to France
Until this instant. Take a trumpet, herald;
Ride thou unto the horsemen on yon hill:
If they will fight with us, bid them come down,
Or void the field; they do offend our sight:
If they'll do neither, we will come to them,
And make them skirr away, as swift as stones
Enforced from the old Assyrian slings:
Besides, we'll cut the throats of those we have,
And not a man of them that we shall take
Shall taste our mercy. Go and tell them so.
Trying to start bands, I grew to hate what they've done to every drummer since. No one can just keep time with energy anymore...14 tom fills minimum...
I agree. In a just world Topper Headon would be bigger deal drummer than Neal Peart. And music would be so much better for it.
Well, so long as you don't insult Bonzo.
Bonzo is a God.
Well, yeah.
[i]A[/i] god? In that sentence either use the definite article, or no article at all.
Jesus what a fail. Stupid forum code.
You are not a polytheist when it comes to drummer gods, I take it?
Or an italicizer?
A friend of mine, Ted Lyons, multitalented genius of a guy, was the go to session guy for the producer Mitch Easter.
http://www.google.com/search?h.....;gs;_rfai=
On Easter's recommendation, he was called in to be considered for the replacement for REM's drummer back in the 90's. However, they wanted him to work with a time track. He politely refused.
He told me, people have the wrong idea of where the timing of music comes from, it something created inside the music itself with parameters defined entirely subjectively within the needs of the music itself.
I asked him, you gave up the most lucrative gig in your life for some hippie shit? For that he drew a comic painting of me half naked in bed holding a gun to the head of a monkey forced to play a drum kit.
Nice story. I was a big Mitch Easter fan back in the 80's, producer-wise. Don Dixon, REM, Let's Active, Game Theory, Marshall Crenshaw, Suzanne Vega, etc. The guy really knew how to coax out a killer sound.
Dude, awesome story.
That is all.
Tangerines are yummier than steaks.
Die. Fail. Cancer-AIDS.
Xanadu fucking ownnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnns.
My car stereo says otherwise.
Yeah they did.
The background music Dr. Paul has played at events is a non-issue.
That should make altering the sound track a piece of cake.
I think "House of the Rising Sun" is in the public domain.
Oy. Rush is one of my favorite bands, but this is rather stupid of them.
They have to do this, or they risk letting their songs get common-lawed into the public domain. If you don't defend your IP, it can happen.
If I run for office, my theme song is going to be all seventeen minutes of "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida."
BAH!
Professor Wagstaff, all the way:
No matter what it is
or who commenced it
I'M AGAINST IT
Ladies and Gentlemen, The Libertopia national anthem.
Maybe "Free Bird" then. It's around ten minutes long.
How about the 21+ minute version of Get Ready by Rare Earth?
There's always "Children of the Sun."
That outer space jam??
It's subtly political, advocating that we call in aliens to run our shit for us.
It's subtly political, advocating that we call in aliens to run our shit for us.
They already are.
OBEY
J.D. Blackfoot's Ultimate Prophecy lasts pretty long, and is kind of relevant. That temple for the sun shit and all.
Just for the record, there's nothing un-libertarian about not wanting politicians of any stripe to use your work.
I guess I'm about as time tested a libertarian as you'll find, and to me that means I don't see politician as the solution to my problems...
...and I don't support the election of any politician. So why would I want them to use my work?
Oh, and also, Rush has probably done more for the cause of freedom with its work than Rand Paul or any other politician ever will. Once white girls started shakin' it to black music, the death of Jim Crow was just a matter of time. How many people first opened their minds listening to Rush on headphones, high as a kite...?
I'll side with artists for freedom over any politician--every single time.
I see your point, and honestly don't know if I will even bother to vote in November because I rarely can get worked up to empower one group of political riff raff over the other (TARP got me to the poll in '08), but it would have been a thousand times cooler on Rush's part not have not given a shit one way or the other like Chrissy with Limbaugh (there were media accounts that she did, but I heard her state those reports to be bogus).
I believe with Hynde, she ultimately got Rush to make a donation to PETA or maybe the Humane Society and gave her permission.
Hey, I like Rush, but they postdate Jim Crow laws a good bit.
It's the principle. It's the analogy...
White Girls + Shaking Tail-Feather = End of Jim Crow.
Suburban Kids + Marijuana & Rush = Free Minds, Free Markets
Ergo, Politicians of Any Stripe < Passage to Bangkok
Seriously though. I don't stump for any politician, but if Rand Paul made "A Passage to Bangkok" or "By-Tor and the Snow Dog" his campaign theme song? I'd consider maybe ditching my principled non-voting stance and moving to Kentucky just to vote for him.
Your mathematical equations are compelling. Do they exist in the public domain? i.e. Can I use them???
For your property rights consideration...
E
How many people first opened their minds listening to Rush on headphones, high as a kite...?
Almost every politician and bureaucrat running the war on drugs.
How far has that gotten us now?
White girls started shaking their tail-feathers 10 years before the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Fer Christ's sake, it looks like they're gonna let openly gay people serve in the military...
Don't put the cart before the horse. People don't do things because the law lets them--it's the law that lags.
The laws change on things as intransigent as Jim Crow and gays in the military, once you win their hearts and minds...
The last three presidents all did bong hits at one point in their lives. Now it's just a matter of time. And as much as I don't like that kind of music, you can thank Jimi Hendrix and The Doors and Rush and Led Zeppelin.
Politicians won't finally legalize marijuana because it's the right thing to do--they'll do it because they're cowards.
And the men who have high voices, must be the ones to start...
C'mon, guys! Let's mold a new reality!
Hier
La villa! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78D00dYOBrM
My campaign music would have to be Tool's, 'Sober.'
It would make me the most honest politician in the history of mankind.
I am just a worthless liar.
I am just an imbecile.
I will only complicate you.
Trust in me and fall as well.
I will find a center in you.
I will chew it up and leave.
I will work to elevate you
just enough to bring you down.
Mine would be "Raped in the Face"
Mine would be Merry-go Round Broke Down.
Or Merrily We Roll Along.
My campaign music would consist solely of selections from the Sweet discography.
Featuring most prominently "Wig Wam Bam."
Actually, an even better selection as a campaign theme song might be "Bodies" by Drowning Pool.
I heard a previous story about the Libertarian party petitioning at a Rush concert, decade ago plus, and someone in the band or with the band objected and Rush, the band, stopped playing until the petitioning stopped. True or not, I've never heard it said that the band puts their money or energy where their lyrics supposedly are.
Couple that with the whiney singing and quite frankly, the band SUCKS!
The new Rush song is the tits! I'm a supporter of Rand Paul but I am very much in agreement with a band whose signature lyric "His mind is not for rent to any god or government" not get themselves in the business of endorsing candidates nor want their music associated with them.
Hey question for the old people:
Do you think "Classic Rock" will ever become "Oldies?" If so, how would you feel about that?
I think that is semantic. Oldies is more of a genre rather than a statement on the time the music was made. Oldies is popular music from the 50's and early-mid 60's.
Classic rock refers to any rock band that became popular from 1968 - 1990 (Black Sabbath to Guns N' Roses). Even new music from said bands are classic rock. New Tom Petty, classic rock, new ACDC, classic rock, new Guns N' Roses, 'who's that fat guy in dreds? up there with those guys that aren't Slash'
"Oldies" is a term used to describe a programming format with no defining characteristics other than the year it was created. For the same reason I do not listen to the "90s channel" because I only liked a small fraction of music that was created in the 90s.
Bad joke alert:
How many drummers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Three, one to screw in the light blub and two to stand around and say how much better Neil Peart would have done it.
Bah, Dum, Ba. Thank you folks I'll be here all week.
To say that Neil Peart is a drummer is like saying the sun is warm . . . technically accurate, but so lacking in detail as to render the comment ridiculous. Neil Peart is a percussive genius. He is to percussion as Mozart is to music as a whole. I would listen to Peart as a stand alone performance. There is no other "drummer" for which that statement could apply . . .
getting off my high horse now.
There is a reason that King Crimson had both Bill Bruford and Jamie Muir (at least for a while). Having a percussive genius is nice, but sometimes you need a fucking drummer.
Danny Carey (drummer for Tool) is pretty damn impressive.
"I would listen to Peart as a stand alone performance."
My wife and I went to a Rush concert a few years ago, during which Peart's very long mid-set drum solo seemed to BE a stand alone performance, sandwiched between two Rush mini-sets. It was remarkable, and I'm glad I was there to see and hear it. But I must admit that I'm not itching to witness another anytime soon.
Yes, getting lots of free publicity from a politician who is getting a lot of attention from a chunk of your target audience is gonna be bad for your record sales, Rush.
Idiots.
it's true, there's still a ton of dudes with berets and bad taste out there. 🙂
My guess is that the Canadian Rush has a higher net worth than the Windbag Rush. Not too worried about record sales, methinks.
Sign of an impending apocalypse:
Michael Bolton will be performing in Branson, Missouri.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_X_wV...../rand2.jpg
Please donate my to my Muslim Flotilla Fund. We're sending booze babes and more to the youth of Saudi Arabia and oppressed young middle easterners.
It will be awesome to see RUSH perform MOVING PICTURES in it's entirety. I was able to see Rush 3 times on the original Moving Pictures tour, Max Webster opened for them in Louisville Ky, It was so awesome!! Thanks Ticketwood.com for offering me discounted Rush Tickets . They were using a movie screen behind them that projected really cool images during the show. They were so far ahead of everyone else at the time? and still are.
My first two rock concerts - Yes in 1977 and Rush in 1978. You can't do much better than that. Most recent - Trailer Park Boys 2011. It's been a good life.