Health care reform

If You Like Obama's Lies About Your Health Care Plan, He Can Keep Lying About Your Health Care Plan

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Since he first presented his vision of health care reform, President Obama has addressed the issue of how his plan would affect people's current coverage with varying degrees of accuracy and honesty. He frequently has made flat-out guarantees that cannot be squared with the details of his plan, such as this one, from a June 2009 speech to the American Medical Association:

No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.

Or this one, from a weekly radio address he gave the following month:

Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story.

Obama and his underlings, apparently responding to sharp questioning from reporters (conspicuously including ABC's Jake Tapper), have intermittently spoken more precisely on this point, saying his plan would not "force" or "require" Americans to change their coverage or their doctor. That's true if we're talking about direct legal compulsion of the individual policyholder, but it's still misleading, since the president's reforms would lead to changes in coverage for several reasons. His minimum benefit mandates would make some forms of cheap, bare-bones coverage illegal. At the other end of the spectrum, his tax on "Cadillac" health benefits is designed to change people's health plans by discouraging excessively generous coverage. And once taxpayer-subsidized insurance is available through government-sponsored "exchanges," some businesses will stop offering medical coverage to their employees. These are just a few of the reasons why people won't necessarily be able to keep their current insurance or doctor. Yet the latest explanation of the president's health care plan, displayed prominently on the White House website, not only glosses over these dynamics; it reverts to the patently false assurances for which Obama has been repeatedly criticized (by our own Peter Suderman, among others):

Q: Will my coverage at work change?

A: No. If you like the health plan you have, you will be able to keep it.

Nothing in the health reform bill will require you to change your coverage. What the bill will do is strengthen the coverage you get at work by making it  easier to understand and adding some clear rules to rein in the worst insurance company abuses….

Q: Will the government take my choice of doctor away?

A: No.

Nothing about the President's proposal will interfere with the choice of doctors you have today.  The legislation will not cause you to change the coverage you have at work today.

Those highlighted statements are not technically true yet misleading. They are simply false, and the president knows they are false. Is lying a smart way to sell skeptical Americans on the merits of a plan they already view as the complicated handiwork of scheming politicians?

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  1. Will anyone outside the conservative/libertarian wasteland call him on this? No.

  2. “Is lying a smart way to sell skeptical Americans on the merits of a plan they already view as the complicated handiwork of scheming politicians?”

    It might be when you have an army of Cretins in the media like Yglesias and Ezra Klein who will dutifully repeat any lie you tell as truth.

    1. Indeed. There’s no downside to lying as long as no one knows you’re lying.

      1. But we know that he is lying.

        1. But we’re anti-statist crazies. We clearly don’t count. EJ Dionne told me so.

        2. I apologize. I should have said “…as long as no one important knows you’re lying.”

  3. Is lying a smart way to sell skeptical Americans on the merits of a plan they already view as the complicated handiwork of scheming politicians?

    The truth sure as hell isn’t going to sell this lemon.

  4. Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor.

    Of course, you may have to pay for his services out of your own pocket, but we won’t send you to jail for using a doctor who isn’t on our approved list!

    If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance.

    Plus a bunch more insurance that you don’t want, but we require you to have under our benefit mandates. And you may have to pay fines or taxes to keep your current insurance, too, but pay your penalties and you can keep it!

    See, he’s not lying. He’s just parsin’, like he do.

    1. Even the parsin isnt true. For some plans, he adds on benefits via mandate. For others, like HSAs he takes away benefits, which means you arent keeping your plan – if you cant buy OTC drugs with it, whats the point?

    2. “Of course, you may have to pay for his services out of your own pocket, but we won’t send you to jail for using a doctor who isn’t on our approved list!” How is that different from most of the insurance that is out on the market now?

  5. Well, the lying certainly got Obamassiah to where he is today.
    And, when sh*t happens after this bill is passed, it will be the evil employers, evil insurers, and evil health care providers that require the changes, not our benevolent rulers in Washington.

  6. Frankly, what’s the point in having a president? They seem totally worthless anymore.

    1. But then who’d sign the executive orders that keep us safe?

      1. I’ll do it. It doesn’t sound that hard, and I’ll provide my own pens.

        1. can I help?
          I have no shame about lying to the public and destroying markets.

  7. The One does not lie, Jacob. He experiences truth on a higher level.

    BTW, please remain exactly where you are. Do not be alarmed by any loud noises you may believe you hear in the next few minutes. The nice men are not coming to hurt you; they are coming to help you.

    1. Obama makes used car salesmen and weathermen look like angles.

      1. to a degree…

        1. Don’t be obtuse…

      2. Obama must be very round.

      3. I play poker every week with a used car dealer. Even at a poker table, where it is socially acceptable to employ deceit, his word is much more trustworthy than Obama’s.

        1. Obama: Less trustworthy than used car dealer in a Texas poker game.

        2. I’d buy a used car from Richard Nixon before I’d buy one from Obama.

  8. Semi-related topic: http://www.realclearmarkets.co…..98374.html

    Why the liberal mandated equality in health care will destroy the future of healthcare.

    1. Heller,”the trend toward personalized medicine collides with healthcare reform” Certainly, that would be true if medicine continues to be practiced as It is now. People will still be individualistic about their choices when we have our genetic fate in our hands. Preventive medicine has consequences that will not appeal to everyone and thus not all will demand that choice. His argument of frequent monitoring time constraints can be dealt with by technology and other medical staff.

      1. The whole point is that medicine has changing to a more individualized system because of recent innovations, but if we mandate equal healthcare and mass oversight now, we WON’T see that innovation. The government’s health care reform plan will only preserve itself as the status quo.

        1. I define it as basic healthcare and not necessarily equal. Does it mean that everyone who needs a heart transplant will receive it under public healthcare? Of course not, but many more (than under our present system) will have access to prevent problems that lead to heart disease. It is pure incongruity to suggest that innovation will cease under public healthcare.

          1. You got your utilitarian chocolate in my individualist peanut butter, ya cunt!

            1. screw you,ya dick.

  9. And now, if you don’t like his lies, you may just have to put up with an irate and naked Rahm Emmanuel in the shower with you.

    Fear the ‘Mini-Rahm’

    http://corner.nationalreview.c…..k1ZjJiZTQ=

    1. Unfortunately, I like his lies. Looks like I’m showering alone for the foreseeable future. 🙁

  10. His minimum benefit mandates would make some forms of cheap, bare-bones coverage illegal. At the other end of the spectrum, his tax on “Cadillac” health benefits is designed to change people’s health plans by discouraging excessively generous coverage. And once taxpayer-subsidized insurance is available through government-sponsored “exchanges,” some businesses will stop offering medical coverage to their employees.

    Two out of three of these things are actually kind of good.

    That said, just about everything else in the plan is shite.

    They *could* pare it down to a point where it could actually do some good things in the market. But in order to do so, they’d have to abandon the Democrats central mission, which is to make richer healthier people subsidize poorer and sicker people.

    Get rid of the individual mandate and the pre-existing conditions clause.
    Get rid of the limitation on what can be sold on the exchanges, and privatize them, and it wouldn’t be half bad.

    1. Oh, and instead of tax subsidies, make health care expenses (insurance or out of pocket) tax deductible. Key point I didn’t list.

  11. Another rhetorical question:

    Is lying a smart the only way to sell skeptical Americans on the merits of a plan they already view as the complicated handiwork of scheming politicians?

  12. Iam sick and tired of these politicians lying to us they wont get my vote. if this healthcare is so wonderful they should all congress and senate have it

  13. If you don’t like paying income tax, you don’t have to pay income tax.*

    *Just stop having an income. Simple!

  14. Has anyone seen my cyanide?

  15. Obama: “If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story.”

    That’s news to me — I’m self-insured.

  16. Nothing about the President’s proposal will interfere with the choice of doctors you have today.

    What if my doctor will no longer accept my insurance because he’s losing money at government-mandated reimbursement rates?

    1. That’s not the govt’s fault. Your doctor is just Evil.

    2. Pay the difference. Isn’t that free market?

      1. “Pay the difference. Isn’t that free market?”

        Not when the very visible hand of government is interferring rctl.

        1. Ok Bleek, I got you on this one. “What if my doctor will no longer accept my insurance because he’s losing money at government-mandated reimbursement rates?”. The government doesn’t mandate reimbursement rates, unless it’s government insurance (medicare). What kind of libertarian is Bob Smith? He should be on private pay or pay the difference.

          1. rctl,

            You think you have me. Bob Smith is referring to what will happen with the hand of govrnment in charge. If Obummercare is in force, the government will mandate everything including what insurance companies must pay. Somewhere in that 2700 pages.

            1. The doctor will have not choice because all will be in the same boat.

              1. “will have not choice” will not have!!

              2. And that’s where the problem lies (pun intended). No choice. I bet East Germany had a similar setup.

                1. Hmm, never been there

                  1. Think a mix of Nazis and Soviets. Quite the nasty state while it lasted. The DDR – Deutsche Demokratische Republik or German Democratic Republic. Sure sounds nice – all democratic. Not though. Check your history book.

                    1. German Democratic Republic

                      Same oxymoron as United Libertarian States of America.

                    2. I’m not slow! I knew. That was a little joke.

                    3. How many counties have you lived in or visited?

                    4. countries!!!!

                    5. I like you rctl. I’d never call you slow. Wrong yes, slow no.

                    6. I’ve always lived in the US. Visited Ireland, Germany, Austria and Switzerland.

                    7. beat you but I knew I would.

                    8. I prefer a a little hate. Keeps things fun and distant.

                    9. “I prefer a a little hate”

                      OK – maybe you are a little slow.

                    10. “OK – maybe you are a little slow” WTH, does that mean?

                    11. Born before or after the Berlin wall came down?

                    12. You don’t ge to ask ?’s and I don’t want to know either!

                    13. “I don’t want to know either”

                      OK, you can keep your head in the sand if you want to.

                    14. I have your age down already.

                    15. Take a shot wisegirl.

                    16. Why would say 55ish?

                    17. I am writing and in my story I’m making you 65 ish because it goes with my plot conflict.

                    18. You sound that age

                    19. Wow – in your world, I’m retired. Maybe I like your fiction better.

                      Hmm. Maybe not.

                      So I’m in a book about history. I’m the first Libertarian President right?

                    20. OK – you got me interested. What makes me sould 55ish? I gotta hear this.

                    21. give me a little clue? No don’t. Hmm, not history but fiction. I’ll make your character President of something interesting. What was your dream job?

                    22. I will look back on your posts but I definitely came to 55ish. I will report back with my spreadsheet:-)

                    23. Dream job: Formula 1 driver – just a little past the prime for that.

                    24. “I will look back on your posts but I definitely came to 55ish.”

                      Ha! The only thing you have to base that on would be music I have mentioned in the past. I listen to anything from Jethro Tull to Muse. Good luck.

                    25. Challenge on:-)

                    26. F1 driver? Have you been to any of the Grands Prix?

                    27. No. I haven’t yet. If there is a GP in the US again, I will defintely go. Canada is back on the schedule – that could be an option.

                    28. I know someone who worked the VIP tent in the center of the track. They all wore ear plugs and the tent shook every 20 seconds.

                    29. Southern boy, uptight religious upbringing (Baptist?), married (3 kids).

                    30. Not even close, except the married.

                      Come on, southern boy whose dream job is F1 driver? You’ve heard of NASCAR haven’t you?

                    31. And I thought the challenge was age?

                    32. The challenge and the object are the same. I actually have started to look at past posts but this one was a fun guess. I known, I looked up that car you drove and some of the music but there was something else too.

                    33. You keep fishing, maybe you’ll land a big one.

                    34. Your family is conservative (denotes a religious upbringing) and you rebelled to become a democrat. So I can’t be totally wrong. I figured you were a teenager during the 60’s?

                    35. “Your family is conservative (denotes a religious upbringing) and you rebelled to become a democrat.”

                      My parents never pushed religion on me. Political views maybe, not religious ones. I didn’t rebel to vote Democratic (Clinton), I saw him as less of an idiot compares to Bush Sr and Dole (well until the blue dress and the stain).

                      “I figured you were a teenager during the 60’s?”

                      Not a boomer.

                    36. Hugghhhh! I hate criticism about spelling. Don’t ask why because it would definitely id me. I can get sloppy when I write a ton. So you’re 45ish then. Where did I make an error?

                    37. In the guess or in spelling?

                      In the guess, getting closer since you know I’m not near retirement or a boomer.

                      In spelling:

                      “I spoke to soon”
                      “the backpack approach males a lot of sense.”

                      And others I noticed yesterday. Maybe taking this challenge thing too seriously?

                    38. Spelling.:-(

                    39. I don’t take anything seriously.

                    40. The only things I really take seriously are my marriage and my job.

                    41. I fixed your “males” for you. No charge.

                    42. Sometimes, the job calls for a man.

                    43. Only when it makes sense in the context.

                    44. Just saw it. Thanks.

                    45. No problem, had the time.

                    46. You get spring break?

                    47. No. Waiting for the plumber.

                    48. Thought maybe you are a teacher/professor.

                    49. That would surely give me the free time. Could you see a libertarian prof of economics? That would be an oddity.

                    50. A Rothbard or von Mises.

                    51. Did I miss the denial?

                    52. Sorry – not teacher/professor. Bored waiting for plumber.

                    53. GTG. Something to entertain you:
                      https://reason.com/blog/2010/03…..nt_1609856

                    54. You’re not the plumber are you?

  17. Americans are literally dying for healthcare and this blog is talking about “lying” and “parsin'”. Conservatives make me sick; they’re willing to sacrifice our country to keep the status quo.

    –Ben Wong

    1. Ben Wong logic: We must do something, this is something, therefore we must do this.

    2. Tell your brother David over at Cracked I’m gonna kick his unfunny, talentless, lying, hypocritical, far-left partisan greentard ass too.

      1. Zoltan?

    3. I promise to sacrifice you at the altar! You cool with that?

    4. blah blah blah.

      Care to try out some different talking points? Those are just retarded.

  18. The two things mentioned in this article: the mandated basic plan and tax on “Cadillac” health plans will in fact change your insurance. Mandated basic plan only affects you if you shop in the exchange, which means those who have insurance will not be shopping in the exchange. The tax on so called cadillac health plans would be on the insurance companies not individuals or families who actually purchases the insurance plan. But because of this the cost will be moved onto the consumer. I believe that we should just tax the highest earners to produce revenue. Now onto the mandatory minimum benefits. This will actually make an individuals and family’s insurance better for those who don’t have insurance at this point in time and will be shopping in the exchange. At this point in time insurance companies can offer whatever they want in terms of minimum benefits as long as it is in line with the state regulations. All states have different regulations. So this is only required for insurance companies taken part in the national exchange. Since this will allow people to buy insurance all over the country it will make sure insurance companies just don’t go to the state will the smallest regulations to save themselves money by not offering a low cost minimum plan. Which means those who have insurance will not be taking part in the exchange which means your health insurance plan will not change.

    1. You shore gotta perty mouth.

  19. I have awesome coverage from work, but it’s a very unusual system, as far as I know. The company self-insures for routine care, and carries a catastrophic policy on top of that. Then there’s a benefits management company that runs the whole thing. To us, it looks just like a regular insurance system, but the vast bulk of our medical expenses are sort of on COD. It’s also very expensive. For years, they have just considered it one of the costs of attracting good employees, but the CEO has made it very clear that, as soon as one is available, we will be immediately dumped into a government plan. I like my health care plan, Mr. Parsedent, and I most certainly will not be allowed to keep it, fuck you very much.

  20. Can someone explain to me why, if Mass. health care is sooooo good and why all of these 1,000s of people are going bankrupt from preexisting conditions and recission and the like, why aren’t they all moving to Mass.?

    Coverage mandates, preexisting condition waivers. I mean, if I were sick and couldn’t get coverage for a serious disease, and I thought Mass care was so good, why not move there?

    Its not as if money is the issue, since these people are too poor to get insurance and are going to be broke anyway.

    This is a serious question that I’ve considered. Because I haven’t noticed an influx of sick people into the wonders of Mass care.

  21. How is that different from most of the insurance that is out on the market now?

  22. You are the one that is lying as usual.

    Keep siding with the insursance companies which is like siding with Wall Street.

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  24. obama lie my health care is going to be more expensive and the co-pay too and after having same dental insurence foe 14 years- my deductable in dental is going up too. thanks to obama health care.

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