Friday Funnies

Obama's openness on health care reform

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

I find myself ambivalent about this one.

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

I hate ambivalence.....or, well...oh, who know?

[Kyle Jordan Prime]

I like the guy to Obama's left. The look on his face is "Why the fuck do I have to be in this cartoon?"

[Suki]

+1

[Jefferson]

Why is Ayn Rand in the pic to the left of that guy?

[Suki]

Good Morning reason!

the cartoon gets a smile from me

[Team America]

This is actually a good cartoon. Auch ein blindes Huhn, trinkt manchmal ein Korn.

A- (because of the unnecessary caption).

[KWebb]

How the hell do blind chickens drink corn?

[Spencer]

oo ya because you cant hear some one with cork in your ears. I get it o__o

[ed]

It's puntastic!

[Suki]

"In an echo chamber you cannot hear the outsiders scream."

[GoNavy]

That's a good one!

[d]

Anechoic chamber?

[lukas]

THAT'S RAAAACIST!

[kilroy]

Ugh.

[Suki]

Did they party after the meeting like the Canadian women's hockey team?

[RCTL]

chuckled

[GoNavy]

The cartoon would be funny if it wasn;t so racist and............TRUE!

[I didn't know]

black men had big ears.

[.]

They don't - those are from his ma.

[smartass sob]

What in hell is racist about it?

[SugarFree]

Asking that question is racist.

[Don't]

know either.

[Suki]

Your racism runs deep.

[Someone]

needs to post an intelligent story. Links anyone?

[Brad Potts]

For all of President Obama's problems, openness to criticism isn't one of them. The plan being pushed through includes a great deal of Republican input and a lot of concessions on Obama's original desires. "Obamacare's" lack of openness in debate has far more to do with absolute republican obstinance than an unwillingness by Obama to listen.

When I see Obama, I see an intelligent man with awful principles who is increasingly frustrated with a bunch catty congressmen without principle. It shows when he speaks, for example when he was addressed by McCain (who is a soulless as they come).

Looking back at Payne's past cartoons I see pretty much all of them are extremely partisan digs at Obama, and one that pulls the idiotic dig at global warming using the DC blizzards.

I like Reason because it seems like their content is free of traditional conservative hackery. Payne obviously doesn't fit that bill.

Why would Reason put up with this when his cartoons aren't even very funny or biting?

[yojimbo]

http://www.washingtontimes.com.....-hears-fr/

Sure he will listen but just remember that everyone else is wrong.

[Mike Laursen]

Why would Reason put up with this when his cartoons aren't even very funny or biting?

You haven't been following the Friday Funnies very long, have you?

[Brad Potts]

They are all still up.

I would say that maybe one in five of Payne's cartoon have a shred of wit.

[Mike Laursen]

Yes, exactly. The other Friday Funnies cartoonists have similar track records. The Friday Funnies is just Gillespie's little twisted, private joke.

[Brad Potts]

I see. I am a relatively new follower of Hit and Run. I am still learning what not to click on.

[James Ard]

The truth hurts.

[Colonel_Angus]

Criticism of Obama doesn't exist. All the economists agree with Obama, you know.

[Brad Potts]

Especially the really intelligent, independent, and objective ones like Paul Krugman.

[Colonel_Angus]

When Obama says economists agree with him, he is talking about idiots like Krugman. There are plenty of economists who object to Keynesian policy, and were predicting the recession all along. Yet Obama keeps claiming all the economists agree with him.

[tenletters]

Whenever Isee Obama I see him nude. Where the fuck are the clothes??

[I]

find them funny and I would never ever ever vote libertarian.

[I]

see Obama has a man who has failed to lead. I don't think you can blame anyone else for his lack of courage. He is letting the politics drown him.

[Suki]

He is leading but he can't force anybody to follow him like he could in Chicago.

[Colonel_Angus]

He let his own politics drown him.

[I]

think you are right Colonel_Angus but the temptation of money is behind every man's failure.

[The Angry Optimist]

Mr. Potts - per Arnold Kling, the man pretty much dogged out one of the main ways that costs would go down: catastrophic insurance for the young.

The President wants to tax you for not buying something, and despite what lefty hand-wavers will tell you, it's unconstitutional and tantamount to slavery. You may as well call it the Health Care Draft.

Do you think the President listened to John Mackey, for instance? I thought not.

[Rich]

The dems will take their bill to "reconciliation", about which the president was rather condescending.

Also, EARIST!!

[Brad Potts]

The Angry Optimist,

I agree with you fully. Kling was dead on, and I have always felt that catastrophic insurance and savings plans for medical bills is a far better system than the typically employer provided comprehensive care system we have now.

Obama's plan ignores the true costs of our health care system and focuses only on the portion of the health care costs of the ill. The tax basically forces the healthy to overpay for health insurance so the insurance companies can provide expensive care to the less healthy without losing money. I wouldn't call it a Health Care draft as much as I would call it Health Care Corporatism.

I read Obama's health care proposal and saw that practically all of the savings he predicted were based on the idea that more covered individuals would lead to healthier individuals which would in turn lead to lower health care costs. Of course, this system of health care cost redistribution from the healthy to the sick incentivizes unhealthy lifestyles and erases any cost benefits we could expect.

That was not the point of my post, though. I think we can all agree that Obama truly believes that the government has a moral obligation to guarantee a certain level of well-being regardless of cost, and he is operating on that principle.

The president has been open to republicans and has compromised with republicans to accomplish that obligation, but republicans play politics and continue to disavow all contribution to this bill.

And while I doubt that Obama listened to John Mackey personally, I also doubt that Obama (considering who is economic cabinet is made up of) ignored market solutions all together.

And as an aside, I spent a good deal of thought trying to figure out whether you were referring to John Mackay the industrialist or the anarchist before I read your post a little closer.

[Skip]

"I read Obama's health care proposal and saw that practically all of the savings he predicted were based on the idea that more covered individuals would lead to healthier individuals which would in turn lead to lower health care costs."

And the flaw in his reasoning is that he fails to realize that no matter how healthy a person might be, eventually, they die. And that is gonna cost just as much as it does now.

[Brad Potts]

Aye, that is the rub.

If we want reasonable health care costs, we have to sacrifice health care at the margins, and end of life care is right there due to the cost and relative utility.

Politicians dance around rationing because they know it is political suicide, for good reason. Proponents of state provided health care have to realize that their plans ultimately lead to government panels determining who receives what health care and the decision will be political.

Alternatively, proponents of the free market need to understand that there is a moral dilemma not present in most economic discussions that transcends economic value and alters the debate.

[William Walsh]

Moral dilemma? Why, because politically connected losers deserve to go to a doctor even when they can't afford it?

The only moral issue is taking hard earned money from those who work at the point of a gun. Morality stops when the guns are on the table.

Moral dilemma my ass.

[Brad Potts]

No, because politically disconnected losers can have egregiously low living standards, and the vast majority of people do not believe it is moral to not assist them.

Suppose you and two others are stranded on an island. One has a life-threatening infection, and one knows a method for producing an antibiotic that will save him but refuses to help.

If you can say that you are not faced with a moral dilemma while watching one man die because you do not want to aggress against the other, then I would say you are not human.

And take your "hard earned money" argument somewhere where people don't understand economics. The market rewards economic value, not merit, and I have no reason to believe you have money because you "earned" it.

[Chad Wilson]

Well ya gotta give Oabam credit for trying, one day he will realize that the ones who actually have the final say have all been bought and paid for.

Jess
http://www.true-privacy.es.tc

[Skip]

That was not the point of my post, though. I think we can all agree that Obama truly believes that the government has a moral obligation to guarantee a certain level of well-being regardless of cost, and he is operating on that principle. run every god damn facet of my life.

FIFY

[Lamar]

The best thing I can say about the Friday Funnies is that today is Friday.

[CC Cup]

You know what they say about a man with big ears...

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

Yeah, HE can't hear his wife prattling on any better than a man with small ears....hehe

[Colonel_Angus]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIIIIIISSSST!!!!

[SpongePaul]

bout right, i read an article that showed just how interested the Dems are at working this out. when the repubs were speaking in the 3-4th hour Pelosi had her head in her hand (hard to do when its that far up her butt) another key dem was staring at the ceiling and roling his eyes and the great Obama (cant even type that with a straight face) was rubbing his eyes like he was a child cranky and sleepy. Yet they are for compromise. BTW i also subscribe to both R and D e-mails, and change.org sent me an e-mail asking mwe to support health care reform. i shot back (not expecting an answer that we had the best healthcare in the world) actaully got a reply that said i was mistaken and that we were 37th , asked for where that came from and have yet to recive a reply on where the info came from or on what stats that asserction was made.

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

That particular bullshit comes from the fact that we are 37th in infant mortality. Of course, the haters always conveniently fail to take into account the fact that U.S. Dr's will attempt to salvage pre-term and critically ill infants that other countries just let die and then classify as still-born.

I cared for a preemie many years ago who weighed 435 gm, and literally fit in my palm. He is now a fully funtioning adult.

[Brad Potts]

Do you have a source for stats on how many premature babies are saved in the US vs the rest of the world?

[joshua corning]

Do you have a source for stats on how many premature babies are saved in the US vs the rest of the world?

Google.com

[Colonel_Angus]

"change.org sent me an e-mail asking mwe to support health care reform. i shot back (not expecting an answer that we had the best healthcare in the world) actaully got a reply that said i was mistaken and that we were 37th"

This is how they try to convince people. There's some classic arrogance right there.

[The Art-P.O.G.]

I'm way late, but I liked this cartoon. A.

[Jimmy 'Crack' Corn]

B+

[glycogen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5O9Imbpe6Q

[Tater Salad]

For what it's worth???

FROM A RECENT VIRGINIA CHURCH SERVICE - A SERMON ON GOVERNMENT STIMULUS (or Healthcare)

Below is the transcript of the sermon of the pastor of a predominantly black church in Virginia. This man is obviously a leader and a Bible-thinker. It is amazing to see that very little has changed in 4,000 years.
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Sermon:

Good morning, brothers and sisters; it's always a delight to see the pews crowded on Sunday morning and people so eager to get into God's Word. Turn with me in your Bibles, if you will, to the 47th chapter of Genesis, we'll begin our reading at verse 13 and go through verse 27. (Read Genesis 47:13-27.)

We see that economic hard times fell upon Egypt, and the people turned to the government of Pharaoh to deal with this for them. Pharaoh nationalized the grain harvest, and placed the grain in great storehouses that he had built. The people brought their money to Pharaoh, like a great tax increase, and gave it all to him willingly in return for grain.

This went on until their money ran out, and they were hungry again. When they went to Pharaoh after that, they brought their
livestock - their cattle, their horses, their sheep, and their donkey - to barter for grain, and verse 17 says that only took them through
the end of that year..

But the famine wasn't over, was it? So the next year, the people came before Pharaoh and admitted they had nothing left, except
their land and their own lives. "There is nothing left in the sight of my lord but our bodies and our land. Why should we die before
your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land for food, and we will be servants to Pharaoh." So they surrendered their homes, their land, and their real estate to Pharaoh's government, and then sold themselves into slavery to him, in return for grain.

What can we learn from this, brothers and sisters? That turning to the government instead of to God to be our provider
in hard times only leads to slavery? Yes. That the only reason government wants to be our provider is to also become our master?
Yes.
But look how that passage ends, brothers and sisters! Thus Israel settled in the land of Egypt, in the land of Goshen... And they gained possessions in it and were fruitful and multiplied greatly." God provided for His people, just as He always has! They didn't end up giving all their possessions to government, no, it says they gained possessions!

But I also tell you a great truth today and an ominous one. We see the same thing happening today - the government today
wants to "share the wealth" once again, to take it from us and redistribute it back to us. It wants to take control of healthcare, just as it has taken control of education, and ration it back to us, and when government rations it, government decides who gets it and how much and what kind. And if we go along with it and do it willingly, then we will wind up no differently than the people of Egypt did four thousand years ago - as slaves to the government, and as slaves to our leaders.

What Mr. Obama's government is doing now is no different from what Pharaoh's government did then, and it will end the same. A lot of people like to call Mr. Obama a "Messiah," don't they? Is he a Messiah? A Savior? Didn't the Egyptians say, after Pharaoh made them his slaves, "You have saved our lives; may it please my lord, we will be servants to Pharaoh?" Well, I tell you this - I know the Messiah; the Messiah is a friend of mine; and Mr. Obama is no Messiah! No, brothers and sisters, if Mr. Obama is a character from the Bible, then he is Pharaoh.

Bow with me in prayer.
Lord, You alone are worthy to be served, and we rely on You and You alone. We confess that the government is not our Deliverer, and never rightly will be. We read in the eighth chapter of 1 Samuel, when Samuel warned the people of what a ruler would do: "And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the LORD will not answer you in that day." Lord, we acknowledge that day has come. We cry out to you because of the ruler that we have chosen for ourselves as a nation. Have mercy on us and forgive us, Lord, for not seeking You first. Lord, we pray for our nation. We pray for revival, and we pray for deliverance from those who would be our masters. Give us hearts to seek You and hands to serve You, We ask You, Lord, to please protect Your people from Pharaoh's government.
In God We Trust... AMEN

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