Those Who Do Not Remember History Are Condemned to Say That "Taking Our Country Back" is a Code Word For Racial Animus
Yesterday on C-SPAN's Washington Journal, University of Pennsylvania sociologist author Michael Eric Dyson appeared, talking about racial animus against President Barack Obama. Dyson is smart, prolific, and … possessed of an extremely weak memory when it comes to the cliches of the American political scene. At one point, in response to a self-identified black conservative who claimed that criticism of Obama stemmed from policy differences rather than prejudice, Dyson responded
…even though you can look out [at the Taxpayer March on Washington and various Tea Party demonstrations] and say, "Hey, I didn't see anyone say an epithet or hurl a nasty remark against Mr. Obama," you know, some of those posters that had him decked out in what they perceived to be African gear were offensive. The vitriol directed against him—"We want our country back"—I mean, there are code words that are being distributed and we can't be ignorant and pretend that we don't get the code words…
At the September 12 march, I did not personally see any signs such as the ones described by Dyson, though there were a few birther references and posters about how Obama should be president of Kenya (as pathetic and misguided as it gets, for sure). The vast, overwhelming sentiment was precisely as advertised and didn't stray from a very basic and unified message: Voter and taxpayer revulsion at bailouts and government spending that started under Bush and has gotten worse and worse under Obama.
The whole section with Dyson is here and is well worth watching, though I disagree strongly with him about the role of race in contemporary policy discussions, especially about health care (as does the Obama White House, which has gone to pains to dissociate itself from Jimmy Carter's recent proclamation on the matter). However, the idea that saying we're going to take "our country" back is anything other than a transpartisan cliche is ridiculous to the nth degree. Indeed, here's a quote by none other than Barack Obama, circa June 2007, telling an audience:
"It's going to be because of you that we take our country back."
The setting for that comment? The 2007 "Take Back America" conference, a confab of leftys. Read more here.
Folk, Labor Musicians Unite for Third Anti-Bush CD Hail to the Thieves, Volume III: Songs to Take Our Country Back! is a rousing call to action from the likes of Billy Bragg, Anne Feeney, Utah Phillips and folk musicians across the country. This new CD lays out the case against George Bush and his cronies with 20 songs, poems and stories in the best of the traveling, storytelling folk tradition.
I raise this because the selective amnesia of virtually all participants in traditional right-left, liberal-conservative, Democratic-Republican politicking is not only frustrating as hell, but completely self-serving. It's one of the reasons why people are turned off by politics (not such a bad thing, perhaps). You know you're not going to have a serious discussion, but rather one that is completely relativistic and revisionist, typically designed to score points in the here and now at the expense of anything approaching history. Republicans were pissed when the Dems dissed George Bush as retarded draft dodger, and now Dems are outraged by all slagging of Obama & Co. Conservatives who spent eight years of accusing Bill Clinton of sodomizing interns in zeppelin hangars at the Mena, Arkansas airstrip thought civility had ended when the first Bushitler poster hit the streets sometime around January 2001. And on and on.
A little historical perspective goes a long way toward alleviating anxiety about the current debased state of U.S. political discourse, which is never as bad today as it will be tomorrow. And never as great as when Rachel Jackson was being attacked as a bigamist, Grover Cleveland as an absentee father, and Dwight Eisenhower as a "conscious, dedicated agent of the Communist conspiracy."
Because it was only a week ago but already seems like ancient history, here's Reason.tv's take on the DC Tea Party:
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Obama should be president of Kenya
He wasn't? Oh yea, he was president of Chicago.
Same thing in this Newsweek article:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/215742
Quote:
When "Tea Party" leader Mark Williams ap-pears on CNN and speaks of "working-class people" taking "their" country back from a lawfully elected president, he is not just protesting Obama's politics; he is griping over the fact that this country's most powerful positions are no longer just for white men. No, I do not believe that everyone who disagrees with Obama is racist. But racists do exist in this country, and they don't like having a black president.
Republicans were pissed when the Dems dissed George Bush as retarded draft dodger, and now Dems are outraged by all slagging of Obama & Co. Conservatives who spent eight years of accusing Bill Clinton of sodomizing interns in zeppelin hangars at the Mena, Arkansas airstrip thought civility had ended when the first Bushitler poster hit the streets sometime around January 2001. And on and on.
Be that as it may, the fact remains that Obama is black and the tea baggers are white. So ... you know ... it's a racial thing.
there are code words that are being distributed and we can't be ignorant and pretend that we don't get the code words...
Dog whistles!
Suki,
Chicago is dirtier, uglier, and much colder than Kenya, and does not have mountains and zebras and other cool stuff like Kenya. Obama and everyone else would have have been better off if he had remained in Kenya. Let's take up a collection to send him back, maybe he could be president there and people would actually like it.
It's all pretty pathetic. If I were in the administration I would be doing everything short of airplanes with banners to stop this. It's going to sink any political capital he has left. At least now we have a new and improved retarded political mud pie to through. RACIST!!!!
If anything our first black president has given us a whole new way to try and make the other guy look bad. I wonder if a conservative black man were to be elected if opposing him would be considered racist. I pretty much have to be racist. I can't stand Obama or Steele.
The language of the debate gets more retarded every day. And I mean that in the most literal way possible.
"It's going to be because of you that we take our country back."
Barack Obama is clearly racist.
The language of the debate gets more retarded every day. And I mean that in the most literal way possible.
Next weeks debate headlines.
This entire newly revised racial issue stikes me as quite curious. I have lived all over the continental USA from coast to coast during my 40+ years of existense. When I was a kid growing up, especially when I lived in certain areas of the south and midwest, I saw very real racism, and I saw it on a daily basis and I did not have to look hard to find it. Honestly, I found it quite strange and I could not relate to it anymore than I can relate to what it is like, as a heterosexual male, to be gay. Today, I really do not personally know anyone who I think could be called racist. To be honest, and this may offend some, but I am just honestly stating what I see now, the only racism that I sense today is in certain areas of the inner city, and it is not the same racism that I knew as a child. I don't think I need to elaborate.
Let's not forget, this is the USA, and there are many, in the South, that still view Northerners as "Free Thinking Abolitionists".
And I guess you missed these signs.
Racist?
Seriously, my own Father believes that blacks and Hispanics are going to take over the country and Obama is going to hand it over to them. Of course, he spends most of his retirement watching Fox news.
Were all those Bush cowboy caricatures racist?
and does not have mountains and zebras and other cool stuff like Kenya.
Quit picking on Sammy Davis Jr.'s marriage! Oh, you said cool. Obama said to give you props.
Were all those Bush cowboy caricatures racist? Obama wants me to tell you no.
Were all those Bush cowboy caricatures racist?
No. Everybody wants to be a cowboy.
I want to be a witch doctor.
I have here a list (a long, long, list, I might add) of people Obama wants me to cast curses upon.
I want to be a witch doctor.
Does that make the sign not racist?
FUCKING TIN FOIL HAT IS FAILING!!!
No. Everybody wants to be a cowboy.
Beloved is my cowboy and I am his cowgirl.
PB,
If Obama is from Kenya can't he cast his own curses?
80's music...AAAARRRRGHHHH!!!
Suki likes pirate hmm. So does Obama.
Humm, perhaps beloved boyfriend can be a pirate cowboy tonight? Nah, not with his wardrobe.
I'm a Cowboy
See, even Rockstars want to be Cowboys.
Ugh.
I am so not clicking on that.
"Today, I really do not personally know anyone who I think could be called racist. To be honest, and this may offend some, but I am just honestly stating what I see now, the only racism that I sense today is in certain areas of the inner city, and it is not the same racism that I knew as a child. I don't think I need to elaborate."
No need to be so defensive - if you're white you can't drive through certain parts of D.C., for instance, without a significant chance of being verbally harassed.
Unfortunately, the oppressor-victim dialectic doesn't leave much room for subtlety.
I so lied! Bon Jovi rocks.
I don't know about boyfriend, but I gave an entire PowerPoint as a pirate with an eye patch and hat costume. You know how hard it is to translate financial terms into pirate speak. The good part is the important people got it. The bad part, well not really, is that everyone now knows I'm nuts. Which does have its advantages. But can make lunch a lonely time.
No need to be so defensive - if you're white you can't drive through certain parts of D.C., for instance, without a significant chance of being verbally harassed.
Obama said to tell you STFU cracker.
I so lied! Bon Jovi rocks.
I knew you couldn't resist.
I knew you couldn't resist.
Please don't tell beloved? I don't want him losing an argument and sleeping on the sofa.
Having owned horses and various four legged furry things and two legged feathered things I feel safe in saying that being a "cowboy" requires calluses. Something a whole lot of people, especially rock stars, don't have and aren't willing to get.
(desensitized inner thighs help as well)
I keep hearing silly people like Carter (now how did that jackass ever get to be president?) say things like, "protest was bad in the past, but this has taken on a whole 'nother dimension." Say what? How quickly we forget. The anti-government forces were much more vitriolic during Clinton's regime, and you heard very similar, albeit stronger rhetoric back then. Militia groups were much more active. Oh yeah, and they blew up a federal building.
hmm, then I just dress as a cowgirl and beloved just dresses as a cowboy. Between us we don't even own a cat and we buy our chicken at The Super Wal-Mart.
Please don't tell beloved? I don't want him losing an argument and sleeping on the sofa.
The man must be insane.
Something a whole lot of people, especially rock stars, don't have and aren't willing to get.
Just the "Pretty Boy" Rockstars.
The anti-government forces were much more vitriolic during Clinton's regime
There are some that would say that Clinton was the first black president.
The man must be insane.
NO! He is sweet, cute and a total badass.
Obama wants Reason to stop spamming my facepage!
Dyson is a more genteel version of Leo Tyrell, who is convinced that we're >< that close to reinstating segregated water fountains and forbidding interracial marriage.
Yeah, there are still racist pricks - of ALL races - out there. But they're not ALL white.
"Oh yeah, and they blew up a federal building."
No excuse for that, or for anti-abortion violence. But it is telling that Earth Liberation Front-style thug tactics, or the New Black Panthers getting a skate on voter intimidation, or any other left-wing violence, is downplayed and even excused by some folks.
Both sides have their over-the-top malcontents. IMO, it's great theater, in a way, because it shows the folly of depending on EITHER Brand X Party to do right by the people. Government continues to expand until it collapses like a black hole, and yet the Ds and Rs do nothing to stem it - in fact, they WANT it to happen.
We're fucked, in other words.
LAAA BLAAH AARRRGHH DROOOLL LBRURBLE BRURLBELE LAA FFFFPPPPP ZZZZUUUHHH BRUBBLE BURRBLE LLAAALALALALAA RACIST!!! I LIKE TAHOOSS BLURBLE DUMMMSSSS RUPTS STRANGER DANGER!!!! RACIST!!
A clear case of the zombie plague.
Those sorry stricken should be dispatched post-haste to their infernal resting place.
Funny, Howard Dean got away with saying "take America back" SEVERAL times when he ran for president, but that's okay because (all together now):
"IT'S OKAY IF OUR SIDE DOES IT!"
In fact, Dean even wrote a book on the subject:
"You have the power: how to take back our country and restore democracy in America"
Available at garage sales everywhere.
Bonus: Dean received the Tom Paine Common Sense Award. Yeah, I know, it's like giving the Nobel Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat.
Obama wants Reason to stop spamming my facepage!
Stop subscribing and it will go away.
TLG,
Obama said that Dean is not a racist.
Well, Obama told me drinking Jagermeister is racist, because it's from Germany and it's black.
Dwight Eisenhower as a "conscious, dedicated agent of the Communist conspiracy."
So quick to diss the man whose money pays your salaries.
Well, Obama told me drinking Jagermeister is racist, because it's from Germany and it's black.
He told me first.
I am so fucking sick of this "issue" that I am going to stop engaging it.
Voter and taxpayer revulsion at bailouts and government spending that started under Bush and has gotten worse and worse under Obama.
But first I'm going to hire a skywriter to put this in the air over every major city in the US.
I raise this because the selective amnesia of virtually all participants in traditional right-left, liberal-conservative, Democratic-Republican politicking is not only frustrating as hell, but completely self-serving. It's one of the reasons why people are turned off by politics (not such a bad thing, perhaps). You know you're not going to have a serious discussion, but rather one that is completely relativistic and revisionist, typically designed to score points in the here and now at the expense of anything approaching history. Republicans were pissed when the Dems dissed George Bush as retarded draft dodger, and now Dems are outraged by all slagging of Obama & Co. Conservatives who spent eight years of accusing Bill Clinton of sodomizing interns in zeppelin hangars at the Mena, Arkansas airstrip thought civility had ended when the first Bushitler poster hit the streets sometime around January 2001. And on and on.
And on and on and on and on and on.
Hmmm: not to mention the good sense not to wear boxers when punching cattle...
ransom, "punching cattle" is a code-worded racist phrase.
I raise this because the selective amnesia of virtually all participants in traditional right-left, liberal-conservative, Democratic-Republican politicking is not only frustrating as hell, but completely self-serving.
Let's get right to the point, shall we?
These people are nothing more than bald-faced, cock-sucking liars. They aren't even pretending to be even honest any more.
They are so craven and mendacious that they make me want to hurt them. Twice.
ahh crap! i'm caught again!
hmm: sorry about mangling your handle, i don't even try to fight the blueberry device when it comes to spelling.
"Taking our country back is a racist term!"
"It's OK, I'm taking it back."
The ratio of people complaining about being called racist for being against Obama to people who actually play the race card on (non-obviously racist) Obama haters is near infinity.
But if you do find yourself in one of these storied scenarios, this is the perfect response: "So you think they wouldn't be doing this if [insert basically any other Democrat] was in office?"
Suki, maybe we should just accept the fact that we Jager-swilling Wonder Bread-munchin' cracker-assed capitalist boojwah asshats deserve to be gang-raped by the entire New Black Panther Party...
cock-sucking liars
Obama wants me to tell you that you are being racist against people on the down-low.
Suki, maybe we should just accept the fact that we Jager-swilling Wonder Bread-munchin' cracker-assed capitalist boojwah asshats deserve to be gang-raped by the entire New Black Panther Party...
Obama wants me to tell you to be loud and be proud.
"You know you're not going to have a serious discussion, but rather one that is completely relativistic and revisionist, typically designed to score points in the here and now at the expense of anything approaching history."
These are just more code words for racism. I know, because I got a Racism Decoder Ring in my Lucky Stars cereal box.
President Carter can go fuck himself. Three times.
These are just more code words for racism. I know, because I got a Racism Decoder Ring in my Lucky Stars cereal box.
Obama told me only racists have decoder rings.
I am probably more liberal than most on these boards, but I do agree that this particular instance of rhetorical analysis (referring specifically to the "take back our america" phrase as 'racist') is flawed.
However, race and the discussion of race is a crucial part of American history and the current American experience. Certainly, forms of racial discrimination still exist (and probably always will, the human mind seems to love defining things in black and white, literally - between the 'us' and the 'other') and, no doubt, this influences our current debate.
Lost in the sauce is the observation that Cowboy Witchdoctors are super-badass.
In fact, with the assistance of the Cowboy Witchdoctors and Werewolves of Self-Reliance, we can take back our country! [crazy Howard Dean scream!}
At the September 12 march, I did not personally see any signs such as the ones described by Dyson...
If you watched Matt Welch's appearance on News Hour without Robert MacNeil, you'll see that they didn't see any such signs either.
The opening montage showed clips of the march with nothing remotely racist, then went on to show an "image on the internet" that was racist and then the overseen clip from Glenn Beck.
As an intro setting up the discussion that followed, it was very weak tea.
Everyone seems to overlook one major
thing. The "government" is not Republican
or Democrat legislators. The true government is the vast cadre of corporate
heads and their lobbyists who own every
last senator and representative. All the
hot air and gibberish from these protesters only helps the stealth government thrive. We have a one-party
system of goverment. It's called big business.
Bruce Bethany,
Are you implying that most high-level politicians are bought and paid for by special interests? Amazement!
I am curious to hear how you think the protestors are helping the (F-117?) stealth government thrive, though.
Bruce, Obama wants me to tell you that was pre-Obama.
Obama wants me not to run for re-election:
The best line in the article though has to be
Off Topic: Virginia Rail Express passengers can now carry firearms on the trains as long as they don't go into DC.
If I were in the administration I would be doing everything short of airplanes with banners to stop this.
Oh, go ahead and use the planes.
And continuing the theme of political office being handed down within families, you can bet BO has already picked Andrew Cuomo as Paterson's replacement. Cuomo vs. Giuliani is going to be like Alien vs. Predator. I'm not sure which one is going to lay eggs in my belly and which one can see me in the infrared spectrum, but either way we're screwed.
Dis us if you must, but GO VIKINGS!
For extra racism points, you can tell the joke about the Jewish mother who said to her daughter, "No, no, I said you should marry a *rich* doctor!"
It doesn't help that Dyson repeats the idea that Rush Limbaugh called for segregating buses. Using Rush's sarcastic comment to bolster the racism argument shows how empty the charges are. And take back America is the most sickening kind of political rhetoric, regardless of which side is using it.
The New York Times, which originally reported the request on its Web site, said that it was President Barack Obama who asked Paterson to withdraw.
That's racism, straight up.
James Ard,
Obama wants me to tell you to get in the back of the bus.
lulz
And...opticist?
How about the argument that racism is really culturalism in most cases. I have lived as a minority in another country and have faced some "racism", however, it all went away when I learned the language and adopted local culture. I have seen this same thing in the U.S.and have met several minorities who say they have faced very little racism. They also happen to speak standard English and practice mainstream American culture.
Can't get rid of racism though as it supplies a good income to a lot of people who need work, folks like Jackson and Sharpton.
Lost in the sauce is the observation that Cowboy Witchdoctors are super-badass.
That may be so, but I prefer the tophat (with knucklebone ornamentation). And the boots would look silly with my rhinoceros-hide breechclout.
Laoshi,
It is true that culture and race are sometimes conflated or confused and tangled. You're right that most racial stereotypes are really cultural stereotypes despite the fact that people of the same race can be culturally very different and racially diverse people share a great swath of culture.
P Brooks,
Whichever look works for you. All I'm saying is if I ever walk into a saloon see a witchdoctor wearing spurs and a pair of revolvers, I'm walking swiftly in the opposite direction.
"It's going to be because of you that we take our country back."
The setting for that comment? The 2007 "Take Back America" conference, a confab of leftys.
Oddly, Ubermann and Madcow have made no mention of this.
I am partial to Ninja Cowboys.
Yup. Nice article by Gillespie. But talking heads and politicians are often too busy hyperventilating to partake in some quiet self-reflection.
I admit that the black dusters and matching Stetsons are cool, as is the cowboy ninja way of throwing their spurs at people.
I am curious to ...the (F-117?) stealth government thrive, though.
hahahahah i choked on that one...
maybe it was my tag i choked on?
I admit that the black dusters and matching Stetsons are cool, as is the cowboy ninja way of throwing their spurs at people.
Ninja Cowboys always have the biggest spurs.
I would also like to note that the MSM has taken what I would describe as two tacks on this issue:
1. Yeah, there was a protest, it wasn't very big, but boy was it racist.
2. NPR's tack: Nothing of note happened on 9/12 in DC, except for the yearly NPR barbecue... Nina Totenberg brought her lemon bars.
Wouldn't the biggest spurs be animal cruelty?
Jesus fucking Christ this is all so retaded.
Yes, some of the tea party protesters are driven partially or primarily by dip-shit loser racism.
Some of the anti-war protesters in my youth were driven partially or primarily by being fucking communist stooges.
What does this have to do with whether Obamacare is a good idea or not? As much as the pinkos involvement in the protests had to do with whether fighting in Vietnam was good idea or not. That is - not a damned thing.
This from our illustrious president indicates to me that he is not too unhappy with the racist tarring of his opponents.
Uhhh, Mr. President -
If you don't KNOW that large numbers of people voted both for and against you because of your race, you're too fucking stupid to be president.
A little honesty from both sides would be greatly appreciated. It is not expected at all. Playing the race card is embedded in American politics, Dem and GOP alike.
"If you don't KNOW that large numbers of people voted both for and against you because of your race, you're too fucking stupid to be president."
Yes, he is too stupid to be president. Someone who thinks that Region 1 DVDs are an appropriate gift for a Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is certainly too stupid to be POTUS.
Criticism of Obama is racist!! I'm a typical self-hating white male, and like most of my progressive male friends my girl friend cheats on me and instead of dumping her I keep trying to work it out with her and understand her feelings, yet she keeps cheating on me..it's my fault she is cheating because I am not sensitive enough. She even had sex with a Rethuglican and I released my feelings by crying after I found out,this made my girlfriend feel guilty so she will stay with me longer. My male friend's say I must work through her infidelity and try harder than ever to understand her and then maybe she will stop cheating on me.
White people are so bad,they did many bad things and I feel bad about that because I am white. Black people are good and only do bad because of what White people did to them.I must try harder to understand them too. I voted for Obama to make myself feel better about the bad things White people do.
Indeed.
How many of you are aware that racism against Chinese people in Malaysia is codified into law .
What J Sub said:
J sub D | September 20, 2009, 1:36pm | #
Jesus fucking Christ this is all so retarded.
Yes, some of the tea party protesters are driven partially or primarily by dip-shit loser racism.
Some of the anti-war protesters in my youth were driven partially or primarily by being fucking communist stooges.
What does this have to do with whether Obamacare is a good idea or not? As much as the pinkos involvement in the protests had to do with whether fighting in Vietnam was good idea or not. That is - not a damned thing.
So true.
It almost seems to me that a certain amount of this "racism" hand-wringing is a self-conscious attempt to shift the terms of the debate from issues which the Obama admin is weak on (e.g. most people dont like the proposed changes to healthcare, dont like the financial system meddling, bailouts, arent much into the ongoing war policies, etc) ... and instead pump up a 'national' (read: media driven) debate about how all those people who protest obama's policies are a bunch of racist meanies.
Yesterday there was some apparent schizophrenia in the NYT: Brooks writes a piece saying "no it's not about race", and Herbert writes one next to it going, "hell yeah it is!" ("The Scourge Persists")... What is most annoying is that they keep *reprising* these meaningless editorials, as though somehow they're adding to the substance of the debate, when in fact there is little to none to begin with.
One thing notable for all these columns predicting the coming race war is that they rarely have any external facts to point to other than the general crudity of some protesters language, and the demeaning picture they draw of Obama. Like the Bush-monkey was any different? There have been no lynchings in effigy, no white-power groups coming out the woodwork, no spontaneous race-motivated conflicts ... Compared to the 1980s in NYC, when one could count a half dozen major recent 'race motivated' crimes (crown hights hit&run driver; yusef hawkins; bernard goetz; etc) - nothing even remotely close has happened anywhere in the country.
as J Sub says it (although i corrected the spelling of "retarded")... the whole racism angle seems to be a giant red herring thrown out to distract people from the major realities: the economy is still in the pooper, the wars arent going well, healthcare reform proposals mostly stink, a trade war with China looks more likely, and politicians still get scummier by the minute.
Perfect time to change the subject, no?
Taunt : a sarcastic challenge or insult
Tautology : needless repetition of an idea, statement, or word
Hence, "RACIST!" is a tauntology.
The truth about the Vietnam War
I'm especially nervous when a Brit talks about taking "our" country back.
The only openly racist people I know well have beiger skin than me, and would fervently deny they are racist because their prejudice is directed toward white people, and in their minds that doesn't really count.
I did meet some openly racist white people a few years back on the campaign trail, but when you talk with thousands of people like that you meet just about every conceivable personality profile.
Dyson's memory is just fine. What's missing is his conscience.
The only openly racist people I know well have beiger skin than me, and would fervently deny they are racist because their prejudice is directed toward white people, and in their minds that doesn't really count.
Well, according to the ethnic studies academics, racism is something that powerful people do to non-powerful people. Since whites are more powerful than blacks, it's impossible for blacks to be racist against whites.
Personally, I don't get it. Methinks those rules seem strangely contrived to produce a preconceived "blacks can't be racist" conclusion.
It almost seems to me that a certain amount of this "racism" hand-wringing is a self-conscious attempt to shift the terms of the debate from issues which the Obama admin is weak on (e.g. most people dont like the proposed changes to healthcare, dont like the financial system meddling, bailouts, arent much into the ongoing war policies, etc) ... and instead pump up a 'national' (read: media driven) debate about how all those people who protest obama's policies are a bunch of racist meanies.
I don't think it's conscious.
I think it's the media floundering to understand something that runs contrary to the conventional wisdom, and fit it into the narrative that they have been following on Obama since the election. Obama is supposed to be this great populist progressive leader, riding into power on a groundswell of popular support. The Republican party is supposed to be a disorganized rump, composed only of the few remaining partisan shills and racists.
The tea parties just don't fit into that narrative, but the media is flioundering to interpret them in a way that MAKES them fit into that narrative. It can't be a mass popular movement, because society can only have one mass popular movement at a time, and that belongs to Obama - the great populist leader, the next FDR. The only explanation that fits into their narrative is that the tea partiers are part of the extreme right Republican rump.
Isn't Gov. Paterson the one who said his dwindling popularity was because of racism?
"and there are many, in the South, that still view Northerners as "Free Thinking Abolitionists"."
That's funny. I've lived most of my life in the South and I don't think I've ever heard that phrase during my time here.
Sounds to me more like some bizarre caricature of the South.
When a lefty says "code words", he is really saying " although nothing you say has any racial component, I will read into your very words the racism I know you have because you disagree with me." Racism, to a lefty, has nothing to do with race and everything to do with his moral superiority.
The left has no ideas, no standards and no ability to govern. What they do have is the ability to hate their opponents and to express their anger by calling those opponents names.
prolefeed | September 20, 2009, 6:14pm | #
The only openly racist people I know well have beiger skin than me
Is beige more like puse, or like apricot, brass, cream-colored, desert sand, wheat, ecru, or khaki?
I'm just saying. I need to figure out how racist I am versus you flat-white albino types.
I don't really recall white America getting all up in arms when Condi and Colin got big jobs in the Bush II regime.
I also don't remember much concern that criticism of Condi was racist.
It is ALL about the radical policies; not the skin color. Calling it racism gives lefties an easy way out vs defending insane policies.
There are other racial codes words I keep hearing everywhere. The racism behins these is obvious and undeniable:
- I did not vote for Obama.
- I am not voting for Obama in 2012.
- I have concerns with the proposed health care bill
- I want the Governor of New York to step aside so Andrew Cuomo can run
I'm sorry, but I've lived in the south (texas) my entire life, I know these people, and yes, while they may very well oppose Obama on some policy grounds, their desire to scream about him, protest him, demand "their country back" etc are most certainly due to racism. These are the same 10% or so of people who admitted before the election that "they were not ready for a black person to be president." I know them! Some of them are my friends. They will admit to each other that they hate god damn stinking lazy stupid niggers like Obama, but NEVER in public, and they'll deny it to their grave. Their protests against Obama don't even make any sense. If Obama had raised their taxes and taken away their guns, then fine - but he's neither done nor proposed either of those things. And they had NO PROBLEM with the huge spending increases of the previous WHITE president. As such, they are estopped from complaining when a black guy does the same thing.
They are racists. Not everyone who opposes Obama, no. Not the people here, but the teabaggers and the Glenn Beck army - they are racists. I know these people, I've known them my entire life, I've been in the room with them as nigger jokes were told and laughed at, and I know exactly what's in their heads. That their little teabagger protests are primarily based on racial hatred and fear of the black man is absolutely transparent to anyone who knows them.
I hate political correctness, I hate using or invoking the race card, but sometimes a racist really is a racist. I wish they had the balls to say what they really mean like the KKK does.
It is ALL about the radical policies; not the skin color. Calling it racism gives lefties an easy way out vs defending insane policies.
It's not that they want to take an easy way out, it's that they are intellectually lazy from never having to rigourously defend their positions. You know how it is on college campuses - conservatives (and libertarians) are challenged, and consequently have to argue and think through their arguments. Liberals are not, so they never learn the skills to rationally work through their positions and found them in moral principle. And in left wing social circles it's similar - nodding in agreement doesn't make you think, doesn't help you develop an argument or the skills to make one. I just makes you feel good.
So when they are finally challanged, they don't have anything to resort to except the lazy race card. Thinking through your opponents arguments and responding rationally takes too much effort, and they've never learned how.
Bruce, it sounds like you're hanging out with the wrong crowd. I'll use your sentence and change a few words to reflect my reality.
"I know these people, I've known them my entire life, I've been in the room with them and never heard a nigger joke. I won't presume to know exactly what's in someone else's head but that's what I've heard. That their Tea Party protests are primarily based on anger at government expansion and wreckless spending is absolutely transparent to anyone who knows them."
Wow, now it's one against one so I guess it's a draw. Or maybe it's wrong to project your feelings about someone else's feelings onto people hundreds of miles away who you don't know and have never met. But it sure is satisfying (smugly self-satisfying, at that).
"It's going to be because of you that we take our country back."
We all know Obama is one racist fucker.
Hazel, that "only whites can be racist because they have power" argument has got to be the biggest load of shit since people started gathering loads of shit.
It's a lazy intellectual cop-out. To say that, for instance, Louis Farrakhan is NOT racist is just as ludicrous as saying David Duke doesn't have it in for blacks and Jews. In fact, oddly enough, Louie and Duke have a common enemy in the Jews, though they'd never shake hands over their shared hatred of that group.
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Bruce, what is the ratio of ACTUAL racists in the tea-party movement, to its total number? What is the ratio of ACTUAL racists, to the total sum of Americans, period?
Yes, one is too many, but you're making it sound like a third of the population is itching to join the Klan.
Putting aside your fact-devoid accusation of racism: If they're teabaggers, that makes you the teabaggee.
It seems to be that libertarians should be wary of jumping into bed with these teabaggers too quickly. These protests represent populist frustration, not reasoned opposition.
Protesters for either side of the ideological divide tend to consist of ideologues who have pursued their rigid dogmatism to a point of absurdity and their followers who are either too dim-witted or intellectually lazy to really think for themselves.
C'mon now. All white Southerners and most whites in general are either open racists or secretly harbor racist feelings. That is just a fact. If it can't be objectively proven, then it can be determined through the powers of divination.
Isn't it funny, though, how often and readily the n-word is thrown around by people trying to explain how other people are racists?
I think a lot of the confusion swirling around the current "race debate"(whatever the hell that means) is that people can't even agree on what modern "racism" is or how it would/does manifest itself. Many of the talking heads on CNN and other news networks are scholars of race history - a discipline which has developed its own jargon, historical theories, and paradigms of thought. When these people speak, they use words and ideas that have been developed within this intellectual vacuum, and are unfamiliar with the average listener. Thus, much confusion ensues.
To simplify it: On the one hand you have the non-academic whose perception of "racism" is black and white photos of white policeman unleashing hounds on black protesters, and on the other hand you have historians who have been trained to look for the ways in which society constructs the concept of race, identifies racial types, and builds racial stereotypes.
It is easy to see how those two individuals would look upon the same reality and come to very different conclusions about it. As the saying goes: a person with a hammer approaches every problem as if it were a nail.
I don't know guys, when you use language like "our" and "them" then you are talking in-group/out-group, and in America that often has racial meaning, so I can see where some people are going with this.
But I would say to them that there is an old American meme where "our" means "we the People" and so "taking back our country" means something like "power to the people" and less to the government. We kind of started with such sentiment way back in 1776...
Of course "you people" would say that. 😉
Of course "you people" would say that. 😉
Hey, you better take that back!
stop calling people racist or teabagger on the internet. it's much more effective if you do it to their face.
I am over fifty, white, and my parents generation was incredibly racist. I don't believe my father was, but don't get me started on his brothers.
I also see, here and there, racism among acquaintences. Funny thing though, I know more racists who vote D than R. I guess they figure voting D excuses it.
Yeah, because then you would finally have the first scintilla of evidence that you would need to make your case.
Can you quote one of these academics?
I worry that even our "march" on DC Saturday will not stop ObamaCare or even if the government option is dropped, the economic freedom issues (i.e. mandatory health care requirement under government mandates) and civil liberties (i.e. IRS held financial and doctors/hospital held medical records released to the government) will remain in some form. I don't trust the conference committee outcome even if the Senate bill is milder in appearance.
We should be prepared to follow the example set in Tennessee after the governor and legislature proposed to vote in and approve a state income tax in 1999. The MSM seems to have neglected to report much on this, so go to glennreynolds.com/?p=8 for some details. With the reported 26,000 TEA Party organizations in our great country, we could make life difficult for those cloistered in DC.
They are racists. Not everyone who opposes Obama, no. Not the people here, but the teabaggers and the Glenn Beck army - they are racists. I know these people, I've known them my entire life, I've been in the room with them as nigger jokes were told and laughed at, and I know exactly what's in their heads. That their little teabagger protests are primarily based on racial hatred and fear of the black man is absolutely transparent to anyone who knows them.
Maybe you should stop hanging out at Klan and Aryan rallies. They tend to warp perspectives.
Let us know when you work up the nerve, teabaggee.
Bruce:
This statement: "And they had NO PROBLEM with the huge spending increases of the previous WHITE president." Tells me that this statement "I know these people" is a lie.
You do NOT know them if you think they had no problem with huge spending increases under Bush.
After 6+ years of Bush, people had something to take their country back from.
How early did we hear about wanting to take their country back this year? February? March? And 1/2 the stuff they were complaining about were done by Bush. AIG for instance.
And done by Obama as well, and continued under Obama.