Thank God The Kids Will Pay For Health Reform
Despite rhetoric to the contrary, government policies tend to take from the relatively poor and give to the relatively wealthy (see the Medicare prescription drug plan for an example). And so it is with health insurance reform, where it'll be the kids who pay for the rest of us:
Drafting young adults into any health-care reform package [via laws that they purchase insurance] is crucial to paying for it. As low-cost additions to insurance pools, young adults would help dilute the expense of covering older, sicker people. Depending on how Congress requires insurers to price their policies, this group could even wind up paying disproportionately hefty premiums—effectively subsidizing coverage for their parents.
An array of Democratic senators continued to complain Tuesday about the affordability of reform, insisting that the final package should include much larger tax credits to help people cover the cost of insurance premiums.
And in case you're wondering whether reforms are shaping up along the most basic lines of logic, check this out:
To discourage [young adults from not buying coverage], the Finance Committee bill would fine individuals who do not purchase coverage. An early draft of the proposal set the penalty at $750 or $950 per year for single people, depending on income. But according to various insurance experts, even the least expensive plan under the bill could cost more than $100 per month, making it cheaper for people to pay the fine than to buy insurance.
Meet some of what the insurance industry calls "the young invincibles," or young adults who forego health insurance to purchase more pressing goods and services, below.
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This is the provision that pisses me off the most. When the baby boomers were in their 20s would they have wanted this?
The lack of a true low-cost option for the healthy is why so many choose to be "irresponsible" and cover their own health care cost out of pocket. This is just a big fuck you to me, insisting that I should subsidize a system I detest in the first place.
How long before someone sets up a sham insurance provider to offer cheap insurance to kids? $5/month gets you no coverage (or just some insanely high deductible), but you fulfill the legal requirement to carry a policy.
Way too long.
The proposals running through Congress set the minimum requirements of coverage so high that even well established high deductible insurance may need to be withdrawn from the market.
Nice column that Wash Post reporter Shailagh Murray wrote for you, Nick. Don't you think the poor gal deserves more of a byline than "More here"? I know it's tough to admit that the liberal media does your legwork for you, but still.
As a recent college grad, I can attest to how badly the young worker is getting fucked. The regulatory state has killed entrepreneurship among the young in urban areas and it's only better in rural areas because there are fewer mouths breathing down your neck. If you want to be a successful, young entrepreneur, you need to be involved with the very foundations of a new industry (see internet bubble, now social networking). The amount of capital required to set up a legal burger joint in the city is fucking ridiculous. Another $2400/yr (the average cost of health insurance in California, since any emergency-only plans are almost guaranteed to be made illegal) would take a huge bite out of the yearly savings I am able to accumulate while living like a pauper.
I would say the young are mobile, but unless you're moving to Somalia, the IRS will get its pound of flesh. The US shares the honor of taxing the income of expats with North Korea, so there really is no escaping unless you just don't give a fuck.
Gee, Alan, why such a dick?
When the baby boomers were in their 20s would they have wanted this?
Boomers didn't create the Great Society domestic programs. Not one of them would have been old enough to vote for the programs or their sponsors. Medicare and Medicaid are the legacy of Brokaw's "Greatest" generation.
"The lack of a true low-cost option for the healthy is why so many choose to be "irresponsible" and cover their own health care cost out of pocket. This is just a big fuck you to me, insisting that I should subsidize a system I detest in the first place."
Well you have to remember that in liberal la-la land where Obama lives words don't mean the same thing they do in the real world - and quite often meant the exact opposite.
Thus "irresponsible" in Obamaspeak means someone who manages to escape subdizing someone else who is irresponsibly not taking car of themself (and who happens to be one of the targeted constituency groups that Obama wants to favor).
Nice column that Wash Post reporter Shailagh Murray wrote for you, Nick. Don't you think the poor gal deserves more of a byline than "More here"? I know it's tough to admit that the liberal media does your legwork for you, but still.
WTF?
Alan knows the difference between a column and a blog post. I think he just wanted to say something.
Ed, you are correct. There was not a boomer among the voters who laughed at Goldwater's plan to change social security. Boomers did, of course, acquiesce once they became old enough to vote.
Obamacare is a new DRAFT on young people. I hope the libertarian campus groups - Students for Liberty, Young Americans for Liberty - are gearing up campus protests and teach-ins to clue in their fellow students.
This week on "The Young Invincibles"
... Students for Liberty, Young Americans for Liberty - are gearing up campus protests and teach-ins to clue in their fellow students.
Obamacare is a new DRAFT on young people.
They don't care, for He is The Chosen One.
Alan knows the difference between a column and a blog post. I think he just wanted to say something.
The tone is kind of harsh, but I think Alan has a point. The post includes (or consists mainly of) two lengthy quotes, without any attribution other than a link. At the least, being able to know the name of the source without having to go there would have been nice.
I have to analogize this to car insurance. I live in the Houston metro area. We have one of the highest uninsured motorist rates in the country. There are all kinds of penalties and fines and everything else associated with not having car insurance. You have to have it to register your car or renew your license. Yet, we still have all kinds of uninsured motorists. You simply can't force people into buying car insurance.
What makes anybody think you can force them into buying health insurance? And is anybody concerned with the enforcement mechanism?
you rich white kids should pay alot you put him
in office -how cool is that
I live in the Houston metro area.
As do most of us commenting here. Reason should do their happy hours someplace on Westheimer instead of in DC. 🙂
Reason should do their happy hours someplace on Westheimer instead of in DC. 🙂
I vote for the Flying Saucer or the Gingerman.
Serves those young pinko punkos right. They are get-out-the-vote fodder for these statist commie fuckos, they should eat the fruits of their organised labour..
"Gee, Alan, why such a dick?"
He's pissed off that someone disagrees with him and he can't come up with a fallacious argument to refute them.
While I enjoyed the video, and I suspect there are actually lots of folks who could afford insurance, but don't bother, I was at a party Saturday night where a friend of mine who lost his job about eight months ago is now spending seventeen thousand dollars a year on insurance. A little more than he spends on fancy drinks.
Not that I think we need what Obama's selling, but the video is a little unfair about what choices are available.
"What makes anybody think you can force them into buying health insurance? And is anybody concerned with the enforcement mechanism?"
No worries, the taxman cometh. This will vastly increase the power and reach of the IRS, which is just another reason the "reform" sucks.
The young people voted for him - makes me think they want to pay it. I don't blame them if they want to pull the plug on grandma when they realize how much she costs. The Greatest Generation didn't get Medicare and Medicaid for themselves - they needed it for their parents.
This goes to what I'll never understand-- young people, who are scheduled to be royally screwed, are all for this, and it's old people, who will reap the benefits, who are fighting it.
"Not that I think we need what Obama's selling"
Exactly; there's A FALSE CHOICE that says our only choices are an archaic employer-based insurance system, or a government takeover-- in other words, between 80% regulated and 100% regulated. How about 60% deregulated? Why can't we try something like that? (Besides the fact that disagreeing with the government plan is prima facie evidence of racism, I mean.)
Libertarian Linguist, if he's been out of work for 8 months, how is he paying for his health insurance? Is he getting unemployment benefits? In any event, he's paying too much.
Exactly; there's A FALSE CHOICE that says our only choices are an archaic employer-based insurance system, or a government takeover-- in other words, between 80% regulated and 100% regulated. How about 60% deregulated? Why can't we try something like that?
http://www.ehealth.com. There's a few more choices.
(Besides the fact that disagreeing with the government plan is prima facie evidence of racism, I mean.)
I remember in the early 2000's the same folks saying that dissent was the highest form of patriotism.
I'd trust a rock with my money more than those same folks.
It's unfortunate that Reason didn't offer any solutions, so let me do that:
1. Go to meetings and ask Randroid questions about the morality of taxation.
2. Engage in cheap stunts and play dress-up games.
3. Go to meetings and act out and throw tantrums.
4. Follow corporate lobbyists like DickArmey who support something that will raise your taxes (MassiveImmigration).
5. Make cutesy videos that don't reflect reality.
Oh, wait: those are the "solutions" offered by Reason, Instapundit, and/or all the rest.
The real solution is to encourage real debate on this issue and undercut the MSM by asking questions like these.
Those are the types of questions the MSM won't ask. Unfortunately, they're also the type that your leaders don't want you to ask. Those leaders just wanted you to throw a tantrum rather than encouraging a real debate about this issue.
P.S. In case anyone replies to this, their responses will almost assuredly be ad homs, thereby conceding my points and showing the childish, anti-intellectual nature of libertarians.
Mike G, you are a racist.
In fact, you're all racists, and Alan is a prick to boot.
I'm appalled, and I'm leaving!
[noise of graceless difficulty in trying to open the door...]
I continue to be astonished at the stupidity of people who think government healthcare is going to be anything other than a complete disaster. I came here to vent, and now will leave. Cheers to all except Alan.
Sorry -- more government healthcare. As past part-owner of a healthcare company, I'd also like to gripe that the government services (e.g. medicaid) already draw a large de facto subsidy from the private market.
"This goes to what I'll never understand-- young people, who are scheduled to be royally screwed, are all for this, and it's old people, who will reap the benefits, who are fighting it."
Because young people are incredibly stupid and naive? As for old people, can't really think of a reason. The minute I turn 70, I'm going to start yelling "Where's my *&^%ing social security check, assholez!?"
I kinda agree with Alan. All Nick did was lift a few paragraphs out of somebody else's work, say "Hey check this out" and not even have the courtesy to name the author.
Since his reputation is profiting from somebody else's hard work, the least he owes them is an attribution.
Reminds me of this parody: "Youth Celebrate 40th Anniversary of Obama Administration Debt and Energy Policies" http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/08/youth-celebrate-40th-anniversary-of.html
P.S. In case anyone replies to this, their responses will almost assuredly be ad homs, thereby conceding my points and showing the childish, anti-intellectual nature of libertarians.
I know I'm supposed to ignore the troll, but LoneWhackjob has piqued my curiosity.
Given what he thinks of us all, is this some sort of self-imposed penance where's he's trying to bring the light of the OneTrueFaith to the heathen to atone for his past sins?
I'm really struggling to get the motivation since no one ever engages him in conversation, and anyone who's been here longer than 5 minutes knows better than to click his links. Does he really think he's accomplishing anything?
Alan knows the difference between a column and a blog post. I think he just wanted to say something.
I think he was trying to say that it would be good blogging style for Gillespie to mention whom he is quoting from, but, yeah, he said it in the most dickish way possible.
We're mostly white American citizens, which means we are upstanding, salt-of-the-earth people in LoneWacko's book, yet we're clearly evil people who don't think the right thoughts. The cognitive dissonance really eats at him.
The line between "most dickish way possible" and "sublimely witty" is less than a hair's breadth. I agree with Nick's point, and Shailagh's, but Shailagh assembled the facts that make the point. She deserves a shout-out.
Time to sell the skateboards kiddies to pay for more big government nonsense from the very people YOU elected. There is a God !