Government-Designed Polices From a Government Store
As the public plan's prospect dwindle, opposition switches tactics. Here's Phil Klein on why, even without a public option, he still doesn't support health-care reform:
The remaining parts of the proposals in Congress would leave us with a system in which government mandates that individuals buy insurance or pay a tax and that employers offer insurance or pay a tax. Then government would have to define what constitutes insurance. Medicaid would be expanded dramatically. The government would be providing subsidies to individuals to purchase insurance, but even if individuals don't qualify for subsidies, at least under the House bill, they would be forced to purchase their insurance from a government-run exchange.
And though the policies offered at this exchange would be nominally "private" they would be designed by government bureaucrats. In the Senate Health Education Labor and Pensions bill, a new Medical Advisory Council would be tasked with defining "qualifying" coverage; in the House bill, all Americans are required to have coverage that is deemed "acceptable" by a Health Choices Commissioner. No doubt, the creation of a new government-run plan is the easiest way for the country to evolve into a pure single-payer system, but even without one, the proposals being considered would give us a system in which individuals would be forced to purchase government-designed insurance polices from a government store.
As Ramesh Ponnuru pointed out several months ago, the managed competition that would be created by mandates and an exchange would essentially turn insurance companies into regulated, subsidized semi-public utilities.
Cross-posted at The Daily Dish.
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Government designed policies?
Yeah -- just like what happened to auto insurance after states started making it mandatory. No innovation, no new competitors entering the market.
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Oh, and Rammesh Ponnuru is an untalented hack. Shilling for my side of an issue is still shilling.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mandates with regard to auto insurance amount to "the driver must be insured for, or prove he is otherwise good for, $X in personal liability and $Y in property damages."
You are comparing that to thousand-page legislation?
Oh, don't get me wrong, I oppose the reform that's likely to happen and think it will be a mess. But Ponnuru and Klein are arguing that an insurance mandate will automatically turn any private plans into something less than private.
They may go overboard with their concerns on statism, but it is entirely obvious that such mandates take health care in exactly the opposite direction from where real reform should take it.
And, being mandates, they actually make the real reforms that are needed illegal.
Want to personally purchase catastrophic insurance and contribute to an HSA? Can't do it: That insurance doesn't meet the minimums.
As the public plan's prospect dwindle,
Yes, let's start ignoring that probability. Then they can jam it in our throats when we're not looking.
Jeeeez, would somebody please put the "I" in polices in the headline and in the article so it says policies. It's really buggin me out.
brotherben, did you call the policie about this?
I was gonna call the grammar polices and realized it was a job for the spelling secret servixe.
But Ponnuru and Klein are arguing that an insurance mandate will automatically turn any private plans into something less than private.
Actually, voluminous federal and state insurance regulations already do that.
And mandates that force insurers to take people with pre-existing conditions and prohibit them from charging higher premiums for those people means that the rates will be going up for all the rest of us to cover those additional costs.
Obama and the dems are like sleazy used car salesmen.
They simultaneousy promise all sorts of new goodies/handouts/subsidies and claim the plan will help reign in healthcare costs.
On in the mind of a policitian could a plan that will cost a minimum of an extra $1 trillion over 10 years (and probably a lot more) be claimed to be "reigning in" costs.
"Yeah -- just like what happened to auto insurance after states started making it mandatory. No innovation, no new competitors entering the market."
Well, you can go without a car. The competitor of last resort is the one thing that keeps it just over the border from giving car insurance companies a license to tax.
For most people, it would be much more inconvenient to cease having health -- although if that became necessary, it happens to be one of the few things government is good at.
How's the Battle of Waterloo going, Mr. President?
*ducks*
Jeeeez, would somebody please put the "I" in polices and in the article so it says policies. It's really buggin me out.
I uhh, never mind.
When it comes to healthcare and your life, Democrats are the party of Tax and End.
Here in Wisconsin, its news to me that auto insurance is "mandatory."
Yeah -- just like what happened to auto insurance after states started making it mandatory. No innovation, no new competitors entering the market.
Think of the insurance exchange as just like the app store for the iPhone. You can only have what they want you to have and you have to buy it from them.
Now think of it as the app store for the iPhone except you are required by law to buy an iPhone.
I think Obama wants us all to inhabit one gigantic Wendy's commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va_IIOKYl6M
Bah, any additional government involvement is moving in the wrong direction. We need less of it not more. Less regulation, and less, or completely eliminated taxation on anything medical. We're talking about trying to make it cheaper right?
**Of course, I'd like to see zero federal taxes on any business**
Auto LIABILITY insurance is mandatory in most states, not collision or comprehensive. Requiring people to take reasonable precautions to provide for harm they may do to others is hardly the same as requiring people to provide health insurance on themselves.
If you don't have auto insurance, you are a racist.
1. Yeah -- just like what happened to auto insurance after states started making it mandatory. No innovation, no new competitors entering the market.
Apples/oranges. Last time I checked, the gov't didn't pick my coverage limits or deductibles when I bought car insurance, tell me that I couldn't carry funds in a savings account to meet the deductible, &c.
2. So... we're back to "managed competition" now? Heh heh heh.
And I still maintain that if I don't want to have health insurance, I should not be forced to pay for it. Although on the flip side, I also shouldn't expect to get medical services, if I refuse to buy insurance, or pay for my treatment.
What's funny is someone who clearly doesn't know what they're talking about calling someone untalented! The internet must be like a mirror. We look at our words and think they're beautiful; everyone else looks and laughs at us.
They will never quit trying to make things "better" for all of us. That is how they get elected...just a few dollars a day from you to the other voter. Subidizing anything is just income, from someone, that is used for another income redistributed plan designed by people that have never run a business. It is OUR government and it should be issuing IRS Form 1099-gov to each recipient of such redistributions. Of course it should include the overhead of the government project itself!
I never said auto insurance was identical to health insurance, indeed I've argued the opposite when people say that because the first is mandatory, the second one should be too.
But on this particular point -- that making insurance mandatory automatically leads to "government policies from a government store" -- the auto insurance example is instructive. Indeed, since drivers are a proper subset of all people, and thus form a smaller market, one would expect any anti-competitive, anti-innovation effects of mandating insurance to be even more pronounced in the case of auto insurance than they would be for health insurance. But they aren't there.
Well, you can go without a car. The competitor of last resort is the one thing that keeps it just over the border from giving car insurance companies a license to tax.
Very, very few people choose not to have a car just because they don't want to buy insurance.
The funny thing is the Swiss have a model that at least encourages competition. The real kind, not the "public option" government takeover kind. Dems have been going on and on about the public option when they could have had all the competition they wanted without it. Their actions are very suspect.
The process went like this:
1. Massachusetts had a mandate that everyone have health insurance
2. Big Insurance companies cheered
3. Other insurance companies said "You can do that?" and pushed for it to be national
4. Hillary Clinton makes it part of her platform
5. Barack Obama tries to one up her and puts it in his platform too, but with a "public option"
6. Obama becomes pres
7. Obama starts pushing the plan
8. Congress starts making sausage and lobbyists get involved in a major way
9. The mandates look really juicy but the public option looks pretty lame to the lobbyists
10. Congress starts talking about "well let's just pass SOMETHING" without the public option, meaning a bill with only mandates
11. Insurance industry starts licking its chops
This is where we are right now.
Who knows where it will go from here.