Hendrik "Rik" Hertzberg, last seen around these parts burbling about President Obama's "metaphorical call to duty" and "redefinition of patriotism" in the face of that dreaded "strain of ideological conservatism that wields market fundamentalism as a sword and cultural populism as a shield," is back at his New Yorker "Comment" perch declaring that every recent positive bit of news out of the Middle East just might be the result of Obama's June 4 speech in Cairo.
The words of an American President, even one from Chicago, were not necessarily foremost in the minds of the Shiites, Sunnis, Druze, and Christians of many theological varieties and political persuasions who lined up to cast their ballots and dip their thumbs in ink. But most analysts…agreed that Obama's speech, and the carefully constructed edifice of public diplomacy of which it was the keystone, was a factor in the outcome.
Meanwhile, as this was being written, a joyfully energized electorate was awaiting the results of a vigorously contested election for President of the Islamic Republic of Iran. No matter who wins—the jingoist-populist-obscurantist incumbent, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, or his comparatively moderate main opponent, Mir-Hossein Mousavi—ultimate power will continue to rest with the "supreme leader," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and his council of unaccountable theocrats, who kept liberal challengers off the ballot. But Iran is not a completely closed society. Change is in the Tehran air, and the American President's openness is part of it.
This is one of many reasons why my eyes tend to glaze over when New York- or D.C.-based commentators write with confidence about events in the Middle East. Apparently the greater the distance, the easier it is to just ditch the whole correlation/causation stuff, throw in a couple of "to-be-sure"s, then carry on to the conclusion that the policy and/or politician you support is creating whatever positive "effect" is currently taking place (you'll note that the headline on Hertzberg's piece is "The Obama Effect"). It was the same when Libya abandoned its nuclear weapons program back in 2003, and it would have been the same if this week's remarkable events in Tehran had happened in 2008 instead of 2009. I say this as someone who (so far) prefers Obama's Middle East approach to that of either his predecessor or challenger.
Aside from inducing fatigue, this all-too-routine confirmation bias (evident in just about all sides of every foreign policy debate) has the unfortunate side effect of reinforcing the narcissistic, practically imperialistic and only occasionally half-accurate notion that every notable event in a faraway land is at least the indirect result of Washington policy. Sometimes it really ain't about us.
More scenes from inside Hertzberg's tank, this time illustrating almost perfectly how it really is the singer, not the song:
The Cairo address had the qualities we have come to expect from Obama's best speeches: empathy, frankness, respect for his listeners' intelligence. This time, he had an inherited advantage. Many of the words and phrases he used would have sounded strained and pandering coming from any other Western leader, ever. But Barack Hussein Obama's personal history drained the condescension from his recitation of the contributions of Islam to world civilization and of Muslims to American life. He sprinkled markers of respect: Islam was "revealed"; a mention of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad was followed, as in Islamic custom, by "peace be upon them"; the Koran was "the Holy Koran," as holy as the Holy Bible.
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...frankness, respect for his listeners' intelligence...
Wow. This man just lives in an entirely different cognitive world from mine.
Sadly I know plurals of people who subscribe to the New Yorker to absorb that sweet, reassuring flattery of their pretensions to worldliness and enlightenment. It'll be prominently featured on the coffee table next to The Economist.
Was Obama's hazy bullshit word salad meaningfully different from any of Bush's hazy bullshit word salads?
Nice to know, though, that Muslims are a simple folk, their grievances easily placated by the most patronizing shit you could think of.
ultimate power will continue to rest with the "supreme leader," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
I could have sworn most ME scholars say the he doesn't have nearly as much power as is popularly believed in the West. Well it's in the New Yorker so it must be true.
Hertzberg is way, way overselling this point. However, I will say, that according to my family in Cairo, Obama's speech was widely viewed and praised. People loved it there and the streets were largely empty with people watching.
It's amazing how both of these sides can twist any world event into justification for whatever they are doing.
No matter what kind of shit porridge someone spews, people will always do what they think is in their own interests. And most often they will choose the easiest option for themselves. There's no need to delve any deeper into things than that.
the new yorker does good features. their political stuff is often less than readable. and the comments segment is somewhere below that. even when you agree with the general point it still makes you feel stupid for sharing it.
I think dissidents in Iran predate even Bush; however, I think the pro-liberalism position taken in Iraq and Afghanistan probably have had an effect, though not likely in any pro-U.S. sense.
Obama's speech, of course, has nothing at all to do with anything. Jesus, what is wrong with these people?
I say this as someone who (so far) prefers Obama's Middle East approach to that of either his predecessor or challenger.
No change on Iraq and Afghanistan, so what's to prefer?
Soft, factually challenged words for everyone else do little for me; my concern is that those soft words come perilously close to adopting the anti-American narrative in the region, and will be taken as a sign of weakness by our allies and enemies.
A completely passive approach to the Iranian uprising, giving, IMO, de facto support to the current regime? Debatable, at best. All the garble about Iran's "Supreme Leader", "vigorous debate", vote counting and the like are, again, adopting the narrative of the anti-Americans in Iran.
"George Bush brought about free and democratic elections to Afghanistan, which borders Iran on the NE.
George Bush brought about free and democratic elections to Iraq, which borders Iran on the W-SW."
OK fuckwad, explain to me how the above two statements are "stupid". It absolutely fucking amazes me the lengths people will go to in order to avoid giving George Bush credit for anything. I don't give a fuck whether you agree with the wars in Iraq or not, it is absolutely indisputable that there would not even be a semblance of democracy in either Afghanistan or Iraq if Bush had not done what he did in those countries. Covering your ears and going "lalalalalala I can't hear you" while they hold elections in Iraq doesn't fucking cut it, asshole. You are the fucking stupid one.
This is every bit as moronic as claiming that the U.S. engineered oveerthrow of Saddam and installing a representative democracy in Iraq caused this.
I have a theory that Iranians are gonna do what Iranians are gonna do. That they are responsible to themselves are not going to dance to the tune of either Bush or Obama.
If the Iranian regime cracks down and blood flows in the streets while totalinarianism becomes further entrenched, will this bloviating sycophant be writing an article saying that Obama's speech was likely responsible?
I'm with J sub D--the protests are about Iran, not about us. The idea that some goofy speech could possibly influence things is batshit insane, unless the speech included the statement, "Revolt, and we will invade!"
I think it's possible that all the pro-democracy propaganda of recent years in the region may have had some effect, but my point above was more about it certainly having a greater effect than Obama's boring speech, however weak of an influence it has.
It's just proof that the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is correct: New York and DC are parallel universes, unconnected to our reality.
Epi, in my own little world, when sporting a monocle, top are NEVER optional. They are an absolute requirement. It is why I am pushing for a gubmint top hat subsidy for the poor.
"It is why I am pushing for a gubmint top hat subsidy for the poor."
Thet'd no doubt get more respect.
And for the record, I was opposed to going into Iraq.
I'm saying that if you're a 25-year-old Iranian and you see the legitimate elections in counties on your borders (including Turkey) you might just look at the whole Mullah rigged election thing and go, "Man, this is fucked up"
If you really think there is anything close to a functioning democracy in Afghanistan you're really a moron. What is going on in Iran has nothing at all to do with America. Americans really need to get over themselves. The world does not totally revolve around what we think or do.
The world does not totally revolve around what we think or do.
Except when the world does bad things. Then its totally our fault.
I agree with you to this extent, even given previous US meddling in the affairs of other nations, like backing coups in a number of countries, it is not the job of the US President to lay his head prostate before the axe of 'world opinion'.
They only time that a man can wear a scarf and NOT appear gay is while piloting a biplane.
Almost true. It's also perfectly macho if you are wearing it with a trench coat and fedora pulled low over your face, and you are in the act of shooting, strangling, or drowning someone.
I say this with all seriousness--Americans need to get over getting over themselves. The rest of the world thinks we're of supreme importance. It's only Americans guilty with our history and power that think otherwise. Or want other people to think they think otherwise.
I used to think the American habit of national self doubt and self examination was a construtive and cathartic thing. Now I'm starting to see it as annoyingly narcissistic.
I think we should really piss off the world and start acting like the French.
You know one of the good things about the Romans? They accepted their role as hegemon. We're pussies who'd rather wring our hands and run from responsibility than accept it.
Not that I think we should become oppressive or imperial (or more interventionist), but why not embrace our role, particularly in our economic superpower status? Trying to evade responsibility has gotten us exactly nowhere, and we're not going to stop being top dog for quite some time.
"Not that I think we should become oppressive or imperial (or more interventionist), but why not embrace our role, particularly in our economic superpower status?"
Because that would validate the whole "Manifest Destiny" thing which is so not in Vogue right now.
Like I said, I don't mean in the imperial or even in the military interventionist sense. I mean more in the fact that the world looks to us for leadership, etc. They do that whether we accept it or run away waiving our hands like a frightened little girl.
In any event, the point of my original comment was that those claiming that we should get over ourselves are evading responsibility for what we are. But the power we have and the repercussions of that fact cannot be evaded.
American Bank Hostage: This is insane! I mean I'm US citizen. Come on I'm just here exchanging some dollars. You must let me go I'm AMERICAN, ya know from AMERICA, U.S.of A!
Eric(says in french): You're really getting on my nerves.
American Bank Hostage: Come on do you understand english. If it wasn't for my people you'd all be speaking german!
we're not going to stop being top dog for quite some time.
...that remains to be determined. The British were saying the same thing in 1910, and we have far more rot at the center of our economic system than they did.
Perhaps our unwillingness to trumpet our current preeminence is a (justified) lack of confidence that it will endure.
"Then why all the Death To America shit? Explain Hugo Chavez, MamaDidaJohn and Kim Jong's Ill."
Every government needs scapegoats to keep the masses distracted while they rape their own country, including our own. Our government uses Hugo, Kim Jong etc.. Just as much as they use us.
This is one of many reasons why my eyes tend to glaze over when New York- or D.C.-based commentators write with confidence about events in the Middle East.
I liked how I said it:
Sullivan is parasitizing the events in Iran to aggrandize the election of Obama.
Insert "New York- or D.C.-based commentators" and it would work just fine.
American Bank Hostage: This is insane! I mean I'm US citizen. Come on I'm just here exchanging some dollars. You must let me go I'm AMERICAN, ya know from AMERICA, U.S.of A!
Eric(says in french): You're really getting on my nerves.
American Bank Hostage: Come on do you understand english. If it wasn't for my people you'd all be speaking german!
Eric raises gun blows American hostage away.
So, Eric is Belgian, or from Quebec? Help me out here, I don't get it. Haitian?
You don't have to reduce yourself to claiming to be Canadian.
Remember Americans, in a hostage situation in a foreign country, you smile, slowly pull out your snuff box of cocaine, and say, 'relax, I'm an American".
To which you'll get a, "oh, shit, the good stuff. May I?"
It wont work in Columbia though, for obvious reasons. Better keep some Afghan grade heroin, on you if you are traveling South.
They only time that a man can wear a scarf and NOT appear gay is while piloting a biplane.
Spoken like somebody who's never been through an upstate NY winter. Spend January in Ogdensburg one of these years and by Martin Luther King Day you'll be wearing pantyhose on your head.
Welch's article seems pretty good. It's just the title that is bad. A practiced writer such as Matt Welch should know that sarcasm does not carry well into print.
We can't all be Alexander Pope and Ann Coulter when it comes to sarcasm.
After much analysis, I have concluded that only pompous assholes read The New Yorker
Christ Welch! First Rutten and now this assclown. You're cornering the market on exposing these living abortions.
Dear lord, this guys sounds like the Grand Wizard of the NYC Chapter of the Obamalyes.
...frankness, respect for his listeners' intelligence...
Wow. This man just lives in an entirely different cognitive world from mine.
Sadly I know plurals of people who subscribe to the New Yorker to absorb that sweet, reassuring flattery of their pretensions to worldliness and enlightenment. It'll be prominently featured on the coffee table next to The Economist.
Was Obama's hazy bullshit word salad meaningfully different from any of Bush's hazy bullshit word salads?
Nice to know, though, that Muslims are a simple folk, their grievances easily placated by the most patronizing shit you could think of.
I could have sworn most ME scholars say the he doesn't have nearly as much power as is popularly believed in the West. Well it's in the New Yorker so it must be true.
George Bush brought about free and democratic elections to Afghanistan, which borders Iran on the NE.
George Bush brought about free and democratic elections to Iraq, which borders Iran on the W-SW.
He said he was planting the seeds of democracy in the Middle East and all the Bush-haters laughed.
Those seeds are beginning to grow.
Obama's Cairo speech? Talk is cheap.
"But Iran is not a completely closed society. Change is in the Tehran air, and the American President's openness is part of it."
This is about as stupid as this is.
"George Bush brought about free and democratic elections to Afghanistan, which borders Iran on the NE.
George Bush brought about free and democratic elections to Iraq, which borders Iran on the W-SW.
He said he was planting the seeds of democracy in the Middle East and all the Bush-haters laughed.
Those seeds are beginning to grow."
Hertzberg is way, way overselling this point. However, I will say, that according to my family in Cairo, Obama's speech was widely viewed and praised. People loved it there and the streets were largely empty with people watching.
It's amazing how both of these sides can twist any world event into justification for whatever they are doing.
No matter what kind of shit porridge someone spews, people will always do what they think is in their own interests. And most often they will choose the easiest option for themselves. There's no need to delve any deeper into things than that.
Where is Rik's monocle? You can't write for the New Yorker and not sport a monocle. Top hats are optional.
the new yorker does good features. their political stuff is often less than readable. and the comments segment is somewhere below that. even when you agree with the general point it still makes you feel stupid for sharing it.
I think dissidents in Iran predate even Bush; however, I think the pro-liberalism position taken in Iraq and Afghanistan probably have had an effect, though not likely in any pro-U.S. sense.
Obama's speech, of course, has nothing at all to do with anything. Jesus, what is wrong with these people?
I say this as someone who (so far) prefers Obama's Middle East approach to that of either his predecessor or challenger.
No change on Iraq and Afghanistan, so what's to prefer?
Soft, factually challenged words for everyone else do little for me; my concern is that those soft words come perilously close to adopting the anti-American narrative in the region, and will be taken as a sign of weakness by our allies and enemies.
A completely passive approach to the Iranian uprising, giving, IMO, de facto support to the current regime? Debatable, at best. All the garble about Iran's "Supreme Leader", "vigorous debate", vote counting and the like are, again, adopting the narrative of the anti-Americans in Iran.
Perhaps Mr. Hertzberg should be reading some Charles Kurzman.
"This is about as stupid as this is.
"George Bush brought about free and democratic elections to Afghanistan, which borders Iran on the NE.
George Bush brought about free and democratic elections to Iraq, which borders Iran on the W-SW."
OK fuckwad, explain to me how the above two statements are "stupid". It absolutely fucking amazes me the lengths people will go to in order to avoid giving George Bush credit for anything. I don't give a fuck whether you agree with the wars in Iraq or not, it is absolutely indisputable that there would not even be a semblance of democracy in either Afghanistan or Iraq if Bush had not done what he did in those countries. Covering your ears and going "lalalalalala I can't hear you" while they hold elections in Iraq doesn't fucking cut it, asshole. You are the fucking stupid one.
Hendrik Hertzberg - Spitter or swallower?
This is every bit as moronic as claiming that the U.S. engineered oveerthrow of Saddam and installing a representative democracy in Iraq caused this.
I have a theory that Iranians are gonna do what Iranians are gonna do. That they are responsible to themselves are not going to dance to the tune of either Bush or Obama.
If the Iranian regime cracks down and blood flows in the streets while totalinarianism becomes further entrenched, will this bloviating sycophant be writing an article saying that Obama's speech was likely responsible?
Wow, B. Your jib ... its cut ... I like.
Make that totalitarianism. I have a unionized spell checker.
I'm with J sub D--the protests are about Iran, not about us. The idea that some goofy speech could possibly influence things is batshit insane, unless the speech included the statement, "Revolt, and we will invade!"
I think it's possible that all the pro-democracy propaganda of recent years in the region may have had some effect, but my point above was more about it certainly having a greater effect than Obama's boring speech, however weak of an influence it has.
It's just proof that the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is correct: New York and DC are parallel universes, unconnected to our reality.
Epi, in my own little world, when sporting a monocle, top are NEVER optional. They are an absolute requirement. It is why I am pushing for a gubmint top hat subsidy for the poor.
That should have read, "top HATS are never optional."
I think that, while Rik is regrettably lacking a monocle, his jaunty scarf goes a long way towards the required douche-quotient.
"Many of the words and phrases he used would have sounded strained and pandering coming from any other Western leader, ever."
Jesus, I'm barfing over here.
"It is why I am pushing for a gubmint top hat subsidy for the poor."
Thet'd no doubt get more respect.
And for the record, I was opposed to going into Iraq.
I'm saying that if you're a 25-year-old Iranian and you see the legitimate elections in counties on your borders (including Turkey) you might just look at the whole Mullah rigged election thing and go, "Man, this is fucked up"
Holy shit, that guy has a supremely punchable face.
B,
If you really think there is anything close to a functioning democracy in Afghanistan you're really a moron. What is going on in Iran has nothing at all to do with America. Americans really need to get over themselves. The world does not totally revolve around what we think or do.
"Holy shit, that guy has a supremely punchable face."
I second that.
Any man who wears a scarf like that deserves to be strangled with it.
He does have a nice face,. Punchable isn't what comes to my mind.
Is his mouth pretty, brotherben?
They only time that a man can wear a scarf and NOT appear gay is while piloting a biplane.
I think that, while Rik is regrettably lacking a monocle, his jaunty scarf goes a long way towards the required douche-quotient.
If only it were an ascot.
warty, it has the squealing of pigs dancing through my brain.
I bet this man takes tea really seriously.
The world does not totally revolve around what we think or do.
Except when the world does bad things. Then its totally our fault.
"I bet this man takes tea really seriously."
Do you think he sticks his pinky out when he takes a sip?
"Except when the world does bad things. Then its totally our fault."
So very true R C.
Furthermore, I allege that this man cannot operate a manual transmission.
"If you really think there is anything close to a functioning democracy in Afghanistan you're really a moron."
It doesn't matter what I think, it's what the 25-year-old Iranian thinks.
"The world does not totally revolve around what we think or do."
Then why all the Death To America shit? Explain Hugo Chavez, MamaDidaJohn and Kim Jong's Ill.
J sub D | June 18, 2009, 2:32pm | #
Make that totalitarianism. I have a unionized spell checker.
Is his name Joe? He use to do some shitty spell check work for me back in the day.
...a mention of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad was followed, as in Islamic custom, by "peace be upon them"...
I surprised Hertzberg didn't follow each mention of Obama with "peace be upon him."
Oh, and all you have to do is look at the dude's scarf to know he's a tool...
Hell, Warty, he probably doesn't even have a driver's license. Who needs one, when you never leave Manhattan?
The world does not totally revolve around what we think or do.
Except when the world does bad things. Then its totally our fault.
I agree with you to this extent, even given previous US meddling in the affairs of other nations, like backing coups in a number of countries, it is not the job of the US President to lay his head prostate before the axe of 'world opinion'.
They only time that a man can wear a scarf and NOT appear gay is while piloting a biplane.
Almost true. It's also perfectly macho if you are wearing it with a trench coat and fedora pulled low over your face, and you are in the act of shooting, strangling, or drowning someone.
Top hats are optional.
No, they are not. Sorry.
So when in the Hamptons does he switch to pink shirt, popped collar?
Warty, i suspect this most neutered of men is the owner of a Vespa, or has been at some point in his life.
I say this with all seriousness--Americans need to get over getting over themselves. The rest of the world thinks we're of supreme importance. It's only Americans guilty with our history and power that think otherwise. Or want other people to think they think otherwise.
Hmmm....kind of reminds me of Guy Pearce without the coolness of Memento or LA Confidential.
Xeones, there's no question that he played the flute in high school.
You know, PL, I think your on to something.
I used to think the American habit of national self doubt and self examination was a construtive and cathartic thing. Now I'm starting to see it as annoyingly narcissistic.
I think we should really piss off the world and start acting like the French.
You know one of the good things about the Romans? They accepted their role as hegemon. We're pussies who'd rather wring our hands and run from responsibility than accept it.
Not that I think we should become oppressive or imperial (or more interventionist), but why not embrace our role, particularly in our economic superpower status? Trying to evade responsibility has gotten us exactly nowhere, and we're not going to stop being top dog for quite some time.
I'd like to walk through the streets of Paris and tell the natives (in English, of course), "Step aside, boy. . .I'm an American."
"Not that I think we should become oppressive or imperial (or more interventionist), but why not embrace our role, particularly in our economic superpower status?"
Because that would validate the whole "Manifest Destiny" thing which is so not in Vogue right now.
Like I said, I don't mean in the imperial or even in the military interventionist sense. I mean more in the fact that the world looks to us for leadership, etc. They do that whether we accept it or run away waiving our hands like a frightened little girl.
In any event, the point of my original comment was that those claiming that we should get over ourselves are evading responsibility for what we are. But the power we have and the repercussions of that fact cannot be evaded.
American Bank Hostage: This is insane! I mean I'm US citizen. Come on I'm just here exchanging some dollars. You must let me go I'm AMERICAN, ya know from AMERICA, U.S.of A!
Eric(says in french): You're really getting on my nerves.
American Bank Hostage: Come on do you understand english. If it wasn't for my people you'd all be speaking german!
Eric raises gun blows American hostage away.
Now that is NOT what I meant.
If I'm ever a hostage overseas, I'm going to speak only in Canadian.
we're not going to stop being top dog for quite some time.
...that remains to be determined. The British were saying the same thing in 1910, and we have far more rot at the center of our economic system than they did.
Perhaps our unwillingness to trumpet our current preeminence is a (justified) lack of confidence that it will endure.
"Then why all the Death To America shit? Explain Hugo Chavez, MamaDidaJohn and Kim Jong's Ill."
Every government needs scapegoats to keep the masses distracted while they rape their own country, including our own. Our government uses Hugo, Kim Jong etc.. Just as much as they use us.
This is one of many reasons why my eyes tend to glaze over when New York- or D.C.-based commentators write with confidence about events in the Middle East.
I liked how I said it:
Sullivan is parasitizing the events in Iran to aggrandize the election of Obama.
Insert "New York- or D.C.-based commentators" and it would work just fine.
American Bank Hostage: This is insane! I mean I'm US citizen. Come on I'm just here exchanging some dollars. You must let me go I'm AMERICAN, ya know from AMERICA, U.S.of A!
Eric(says in french): You're really getting on my nerves.
American Bank Hostage: Come on do you understand english. If it wasn't for my people you'd all be speaking german!
Eric raises gun blows American hostage away.
So, Eric is Belgian, or from Quebec? Help me out here, I don't get it. Haitian?
You don't have to reduce yourself to claiming to be Canadian.
Remember Americans, in a hostage situation in a foreign country, you smile, slowly pull out your snuff box of cocaine, and say, 'relax, I'm an American".
To which you'll get a, "oh, shit, the good stuff. May I?"
It wont work in Columbia though, for obvious reasons. Better keep some Afghan grade heroin, on you if you are traveling South.
It wont work in Columbia though, for obvious reasons. Better keep some Afghan grade heroin, on you if you are traveling South.
Pesty commas, always hanging in the wrong place after a rewrite.
They only time that a man can wear a scarf and NOT appear gay is while piloting a biplane.
Spoken like somebody who's never been through an upstate NY winter. Spend January in Ogdensburg one of these years and by Martin Luther King Day you'll be wearing pantyhose on your head.
Alan,
It's a scene in the movie Killing Zoe & Eric is French.
Welch's article seems pretty good. It's just the title that is bad. A practiced writer such as Matt Welch should know that sarcasm does not carry well into print.
We can't all be Alexander Pope and Ann Coulter when it comes to sarcasm.
"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here!"
underzog, did you come out of the closet as Donderrroooooooo yet?
Get your hands off my Moses, Muslims!