Euros Wowed by New Administration, Box of DVDs
Thank god America is now represented in Europe by an articulate, well-informed, Yale-educated politician. On her first trip to Europe as President Obama's Secretary of State, Clinton wowed diplomats with a discursive lecture on European literature and history, inveighing on topics as diverse as the impact of Catholicism on Evelyn Waugh's later novels and a radical and compelling reinterpretation of Leon Blum's rise as leader of the Popular Front. Reuters has details:
Hillary Clinton raised eyebrows on her first visit to Europe as secretary of state when she mispronounced her EU counterparts' names and claimed U.S. democracy was older than Europe's…
A veteran politician, Clinton compared the complex European political environment to that of the two-party U.S. system, before adding:
"I have never understood multiparty democracy.
"It is hard enough with two parties to come to any resolution, and I say this very respectfully, because I feel the same way about our own democracy, which has been around a lot longer than European democracy."
The remark provoked much headshaking in the parliament of a bloc that likes to trace back its democratic tradition thousands of years to the days of classical Greece.
One working lunch later with EU leaders, Clinton raised more eyebrows when she referred to EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana, who stood beside her, as "High Representative Solano."
She also dubbed European Commission External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner as "Benito."
With the bumbling Texan retired to his farm, certain members of the British press were surprised to find that, in the words of The Telegraph's Iain Martin, Obama "might not like the Brits." What better illustration of his contempt for England, Martin writes, than Obama's gift to Prime Minister Brown: a box of 25 DVDs, including Star Wars, E.T., and The Wizard of Oz. And in case you were wondering, the Brits "do have television and DVD stores on this side of the Atlantic."
Update: A reader contacts Mark Hemingway, who blogged the DVD story earlier today, with a sensible observation: "It would be funny if the DVDs Mr Obama gave Mr Brown were Region 1 NTSC and therefore not compatible with the UK where DVDs are region 2 and video format is PAL." And as you ReasonTV fans are surely aware, Hemingway appeared on a recent episode of the talk show.
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This is pure comedic gold.
I'm not a fan of Hillary, but besides Switzerland democracy was pretty scare in Europe when the US set up shop. And, imo, it would still be rare except for the example of the US.
She also dubbed European Commission External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner as "Benito."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
She must have borrowed her notes from Joe Biden. I heard that she asked the Chinese ambassador if he knew General Tso.
Ba-dum-bump!
this doesn't bode well
In case you missed the full story about the DVDs, it's much funnier in light of what Brown gave Obama.
I just want to see how much of this ends up on The Daily Show.
Boston, Esq.,
What. Ever. Colbert will likely have a funnier take on it.
I'm with the back row guy (though England might have a legit beef with HRC's statement). Current American democracy (or democratic republicanism to be precise) is essentially the same system that has existed since 1787.
You can't really say that democracy on the Continent has directly developed from Athens.
This would make a really nice counterpart to Obama's revisionist history in which Americans invented the automobile, though.
She's lucky the French representative didn't ask to see her quinny.
However, that's not something you say in diplomacy (which is supposed to be HRC's main role, correct?). I wonder if joe will arrive to scold HRC for her tone-deafness in the same way he scolded the monkey cartoonist.
The remark provoked much headshaking in the parliament of a bloc that likes to trace back its democratic tradition thousands of years to the days of classical Greece.
By way of Caesar, Charlemagne, Napoleon, and Hitler.
I agree this is dumb 'gotcha'; by their standards the US also traces its tradition back to ancient greece - there's a reason why most of the famous DC buildings are neo-classical.
Well, well, inexperience may be hazardous to your health, hmmm?
We do hold some record--longest running republic with a written constitution or maybe longest without changing our system of government. Can't recall specifically. I certainly wouldn't have phrased it the way she did, even if it were perfectly true. How inartful and clumsy!
So there was no one actually, you know, qualified for one of the most important cabinet posts?
Someone in the protocol office should be fired for the DVD thing, however. (esp as linked story from the dead fascist - death to facists? - says that the reciprocal gift is unique and kinda historically important)
But she complimented them on the socialized medicine, right?
Actually it's Portuguese for necrotizing fascitis.
I heard there was a copy of The Patriot in there.
What. Ever. Colbert will likely have a funnier take on it.
I dunno. TDS has been pretty brutally funny lately.
I bet she sends a card to the EU on April 20 commemorating a certain historical figure's birthday.
I would imagine that any European country would take offense to the DVD set in part because it seems like it is either...
1. ignorant of the fact that our culture dominates theirs
2. rubbing the fact that our culture dominates theirs in their faces
. . .with fifty frozen Big Macs, 'cause they don't have McDonald's in the United States of Europe.
TDS has been pretty brutally funny lately.
REALLY? I'd seen a few episodes since the new admin and didn't think much.
Also, I had heard somewhere (ahem - from EVERY democrat) that the Daily Show would have to go off the air for lack of material once the "smart" party took over.
This would make a really nice counterpart to Obama's revisionist history in which Americans invented the automobile, though.
The Brits on Top Gear seem to agree with Obama. They say the Americans designed the first car that resembles a modern car (though popularized by the Brits). Maybe Obama's a Top Gear fan. Spoiler Alert: It wasn't even the Model T.
By the way, these supposed "snubs" are pretty weak sauce.
And as you ReasonTV fans are surely aware
I'm interested to hear what they both have to say (as a huge fan of reason & H&R, I find ReasonTV atrocious).
Now, if Obama really didn't like Brown, he would have included Star Wars Episode I
Also, I had heard somewhere (ahem - from EVERY democrat) that the Daily Show would have to go off the air for lack of material once the "smart" party took over.
Are you serious? Are all your Democrat acquaintances retards?
Elemenope,
*shakes head*
I bet you think SNL is funny too, huh?
Reinmoose,
I was thinking something along those lines also. Bush=punchline, no Bush=???
What No-Name said @ 1:04. And the Moose at 1:21. Ugh.
Now, if Obama really didn't like Brown, he would have included Star Wars Episode I -III.
FTFY.
For what it's worth, I refuse to even acknowledge the "first three" movies. They were all categorically terrible.
I would imagine that any European country would take offense to the DVD set in part because it seems like it is either...
1. ignorant of the fact that our culture dominates theirs
2. rubbing the fact that our culture dominates theirs in their faces
Come on. That's like saying the Obama's should be mad at a CD set of great British rock and roll acts because it would be a harsh reminded that whites stole rock and roll and the it's a harsh reminder that British rock acts were better than their American contemporaries.
Also, if there's one foreign country whose culture we don't dominate it's the Brits. On TV, it's vice versa. Lots of our popular shows are rehashes of British shows: American Idol, the Office, Survivor, Dancing with the Stars, etc. We should bomb the UK just to stop their pollution of American TV with reality shows.
But, Mo, we wouldn't have All in the Family or Who's Line Is It Anyway?!
Those are the two I can think of off of the top of my head.
TAO? Is that you? I thought you got the ban hammer for disclosing ChrisKelly's SecretNameSakeSite.
Naga - my home IP is under a ban, but I am in more than one place. I'm like a ninja!
At least he left out 1776, The Patriot, and V for Vendetta.
I just want to see how much of this ends up on The Daily Show.
I just want to see how much of this ends up on The Tonight Show. Fairness Doctrine and all.
We do hold some record--longest running republic with a written constitution or maybe longest without changing our system of government.
Except for Switzerland?
That's like saying the Obama's should be mad at a CD set of great British rock and roll acts
uhhh.. no. The Euros are particularly sensitive about this sort of thing.
You may be right about the Brits being an exception, though. I'm not familiar with how much American stuff leaks over to the Brits. A quick look at the BBC Radio One singles chart however suggests that we're winning the music battle lately. Now they just might not be as sensative to it as the French, for example. Fine.
*sensitive
Ah it was brave of you but fool hardy my friend. Who will do battle with MNG if you're not around? Yeah, I could do it but my lethargy is only exceeded by my apathy.
Ninja you say? Is this what you mean?
Does Switzerland have a written constitution that predates 1789?
Obamaphiles in the U.K. really should have read Dreams of My Father way before the election took place. If they had, they would have learned how much he hates their guts, because it's all laid out pretty clearly in there. Too late now though, I'm afraid.
Mike M. - would you care to expand on that at all? I haven't read the book, so if you have some passages at hand to prove your assertion, I would appreciate it.
TAO? Is that you? I thought you got the ban hammer for disclosing ChrisKelly's SecretNameSakeSite
What's this about? I hafta admit that i don't have the time to come here enough to know who Chris Kelley is. I see the name a lot, but I missed the bit as to why it's relevant.
JW,
I would post a link but . . .
Clinton: "never waste a good crisis".
She should've given them the gift of cool video games. Maybe one for each major platform, just to show our generosity. "Grand Theft Auto IV? Das Betth?schen!"
You may be right about the Brits being an exception, though.
We completely cross-pollinate with the Brits, possibly even more than with the Canucks. And we've been doing it for 50 years. They're not sensitive about it at all.
The Continentals are a different story.
I would post a link but . . .
OK, but why did TAO get banned?
C'mon, just use code if you have to.
What's this about? I hafta admit that i don't have the time to come here enough to know who Chris Kelley is. I see the name a lot, but I missed the bit as to why it's relevant.
On an old thread about KBR and a Rumsfeld portrait, I joke-posted as Lonewacko/Orange Line Special and, in the post, put the registration information for his website, which had his real name, phone number and address.
This, apparently, is a violation of the TOS, which I was not aware. I'm not inclined to grovel, however.
Pro Lib,
I'm convinced that if you keep up with the German I'll be fluent by the time I finish school.
Is it a violation just to reveal the name? If so, LW attempted to do that to me. He failed, but that's my secret.
Naga,
You are der Busengrapscher of Hit und Run!
JW,
What TAO said. He neglects to mention that he got released from the ban but was then promptly banned again for releasing LoneWacko's info again.
"I like your style Roberto. Robbing the same bank twice? That's the perfect crime."
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, . . . whoa. Hold on a minute. You mean your name isn't Pro Liberate? Oh the shame! Oh the deceit!
Naga - I was never released from the first ban. I was just posting behind an anonymizer or at a different IP (like a library or, in my case, at school).
Ah, OK TAO. thanks.
Waitaminute now, LoneWhackjob and OLS are the same or am I just further confused? I thought Dondero was LW?
Shit, I sound like such a n00b.
Pro Lib,
The tit grabber? The groper? In what context? Like in a concert or subway surrounding? Or a no one around and I think I'll get away with it enviroment?
He used my secret e-mail address posted secretly with each comment to attempt to reveal my secret identity to the world. He erred, however. Does attempted violation of the TOS get you banned, too? I think he had malice aforethought and a depraved heart.
In what context? At das Bordell, of course. Or perhaps das Dirnenviertel?
JW - Lonewacko and OLS are the same person. DONDEROOOO! is a different brand and flavor of crazy.
In my defense, the information was readily available with a two-second search on whois.net or google.
The funny thing is, I don't speak a word of English.
Pro Lib,
I believe that it creates liability issues for Reason. What if some kicked the shit out of Chris and looted his home? What if the attackers found out his home address from this site? You're the attorney so I think you follow the logic. Civil suits don't require reasonable doubt, simply a preponderance of evidence.
Waitaminute now, LoneWhackjob and OLS are the same or am I just further confused? I thought Dondero was LW?
LoneKnobGobbler is OLS is 24ahead.com.
Dondero is an idiot.
Pro Lib,
What? Do you just stick your comments in a translator program? I hear google's is pretty good.
Post at your own risk.
Naga,
Yes, that's how I can sound like I speak English. However, that's not where I'm getting the German phrases from.
If the liability were an issue, then OLS put himself out there in the first place. After all, just do a google search for "whois" and "lonewacko" and the first hit is the full information I posted.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me.
I gotta get a job that gives me more H&R time.
Pro Lib,
We're like brothers! I too can't speak a word of English! I post from Nigeria and talk Hit and Runners into posting their bank account #'s.
It's a living.
JW,
Bartender. I work for about 7 hours, 4 days out of the week. Lots of free time since I don't do the coke parties or everyday drinking sessions like most of the others do around here.
Mike M. - would you care to expand on that at all? I haven't read the book, so if you have some passages at hand to prove your assertion, I would appreciate it.
I'm at work and don't have the book handy, but the basic gist of it is that Obama's Kenyan grandfather was apparently imprisoned and tortured during the Mau Mau Uprising back when Kenya was still a British colony.
Assuming the story is true, it's somewhat understandable why Obama wouldn't be keen having on having a bust of Churchill in the Oval Office, as it was Sir Winston who crushed the rebellion.
Naga,
As a Nigerian, you are aware, of course, of Nigeria's official language?
Good we need to have more of the deviants banned from this site. This needs to be a more family friendly board. I hope pro libertate and his urkobold minions are banned next.
Also, Dondero, when he was here, was more than happy to post his real name, phone number, etc. If you go over to libertarian republican (or whatever his dumbass website is), I bet you can find it.
Of course, why would you want to?
Naga - I sent you my bank account info. You'll get the oil ministry money in there within 24 hours, right?
Also, I was wondering about the NTSC / PAL thing. Of course, they could have a code free DVD...
Of course, when the Beckster was here and was posturing about how "phonies don't phone", I posted his full information from whitepages.com.
I don't apologize for embarrassing or calling out people who make this site more toxic. I cannot believe reason has allowed OLS to post his inane drivel and nonresponsive "points", doing nothing more than pimping his blog, for years now.
The deep irony is that I'm an advocate for the banhammer being dropped more often.
BakedPenguin,
Yes! It will be good day for an honest man such as yourself! God Bless!
Pro Lib,
Nigeria has roughly 200 major ethnic languages as well as a few hundred more exotic languages. Say roughly . . . 500 or so in all. I speak one of those . . . BIOTCH!
I'd ban me. However, the minions at Urkobold are not mine. Really, False Juanita, you should know that.
TAO,
Billy Beck and his violent anarchist cronies . . . ah the memories.
Nigerian sprechen gar nicht alle Englisch?
Pro Liberate,
I don't know. I have more posts than you at wiki reason but I think are much more of a heavy weight in these parts than I will ever be. What with your funny and lucid comments.
No Pro Lib, we don't all speak English. We're not German provocateurs like you.
"The Grapes of Wrath" was in the DVD set.It'll be on BBC as a futuristic documentary of both the US and Europe.
Deutscher? Nein.
I'm not sure funny and lucid is how I'd generally be categorized around here.
The funniest part about the DVD gift is that Brown is blind in one eye, and impaired in the other.
Pro Liberate,
Is your typical comment along the lines of LoneWacko? Argued along the lines of Tony or Lefiti? With the seriousness of Rabscuttle? No? Then I suggest you take your compliment and quit arguing.
You wound me, Naga. I strive to achieve the singlemindedness and near fanatical devotion to insanity of LW. I have a long way to go, I fear.
I, on the other hand, thank you. This Pro Lbiertate guy is a grouch.
Pro Lib,
Verily. Your penance shall be to post as joe for the rest of the day. Feel free to pick fights with J sub D, John, TAO, and others. But NEVER admit you were wrong . . . EVER.
BTW, was Gillespie really joe? I only half believed your statement to that effect. I KNOW some of the reason writers were trolling their own threads but it was always more of a suspicious feeling than a proveable fact.
I always liked that theory. That, or that he was Virginia Postrel.
I won't trash joe, despite our political opposition and my objections to his debate style, because he's one of the ten Urkobold fans. That's like gold in my book.
Verily. Your penance shall be to post as joe for the rest of the day
Why do we always end up hurting the ones we love?
Pro Lib,
There's only ten fans?
Naga,
There are only ten fans. Google Translator has failed you again.
How did you come up with only ten fans? Did you use actual numbers or just make that up?
Naga - I was never released from the first ban. I was just posting behind an anonymizer or at a different IP (like a library or, in my case, at school).
Where would one go to find anonymizer software like that? I've never seen any ads for that kind of thing.
I'm an attorney, not a numbers guy. I just make the figures up then bullshit people into accepting them as true. Kind of like the president, come to think of it.
John Doe,
It's actually all over the internet. Just google and sift through all the bs till you find good stuff. My PC skills have diminished to the point that I can't even war dial if I wanted. I still have the infamous Brutus password cracker somewhere.
I used "Hidemyass.com" because it was the first one to come up. If you get a ads-blocker, it works great. Otherwise, yeah, I would just google one up. They all kinda suck, AFAIK...but hey.
Pro Liberate,
Where have I heard that before . . . I wonder . . .
I'm an attorney, not a numbers guy. I just make the figures up then bullshit people into accepting them as true. Kind of like the president, come to think of it.
Kind of like a fan dancer. With ten fans.
When we have five hundred comments a thread like Hit & Run sometimes does, I'll know it's time to buy some advertising.
Pro Lib,
You can just do the Edward thing and sytematically create fake commentors that argue with themselves thus driving traffic. Just sayin'.
You mean like highnumber and Viking Moose?
Nice try Pro Lib. I KNOW they are real. Anyways, I gotta get ready for work. Later.
Have fun. I'll keep posting for you while you're gone ?
Would've been better to have given Brown a collection of Terry Jones DVDs, since they are doppelgangers.
Hillary should get back in the kitchen or whatever hole she climbed out of.
Her qualifications are basically that she is the woman Bill Clinton won't sleep with.
People thought Bush was dumb? He looks brilliant in comparison to her.
SINCE HAVING SLEPT WITH BILL CLINTON WAS THE SOLE QUALIFICATION SECRETARY CLINTON HAD, THEN WHY DIDN'T OBAMA NOMINATE THIS WOMAN?
First, Barack Obama gives a classy gift of 25 DVDs to Prime Minister Brown, as Brown gave Obama an "ornamental desk pen holder made from the oak timbers of Victorian anti-slaver HMS Gannet, once named HMS President ... the framed commission for HMS Resolute, a vessel that came to symbolise Anglo-US peace when it was saved from ice packs by Americans and given to Queen Victoria ... [and] a first edition set of the seven-volume classic biography of Churchill by Sir Martin Gilbert"--you know, just a few knik-knaks he must have picked up at Heathrow's gift shop. (In Obama's defense, Jim Treacher notes that "The Slap Chop and the Snuggie didn't ship in time to give to Gordon, so Michelle printed the receipt and put it inside one of the DVD cases.")
Now the AP reports on Hillary Clinton's latest diplomatic coup with Russia:
Clinton handed [Russian Foreign Minister Sergey] Lavrov a green box tied with a green bow. He opened it to reveal a "reset button," a reminder of Vice President Joe Biden's recent remark that the Obama administration hopes to reset U.S. relations with Moscow.
Trouble was, the Russian-language label the Americans put on the button had the wrong word. Before she realized the mistake, Clinton assured Lavrov, "We worked hard to get it right."
"You got it wrong," Lavrov responded with a smile. He said the word the Americans chose - "peregruzka" - meant "overloaded" or "overcharged" rather than "reset."
Can you imagine if this had happened in Bush administration?
Looks like Obama's switched from "creating or saving" jobs to just "saving":
I have a magic 8-ball on my desk. It's saved 100 million jobs over the last eight years. It also saved us from a major asteroid collision.
I have a magic booger that keeps tigers away.
I fear what may happen if I ever lose my magic booger.
It is.
We know.
But their DVD players were made by Lucas Electric.
Obama told critics of his $787 billion economic recovery plan Friday that it is saving jobs and said, "I know we did the right thing."
OH, OK!
*dusts hands off*
I guess there's no need to debate it, then. The chosen one knows we did the right thing, so anyone that says otherwise is a racist.
This just in: Rush talks of the Ted Kennedy Memorial Hospital and Newt says he'll run for potus in 2012 if necessary. Libertarians, your troubles will be on the road to recovery again in 4 years.
Matthew, I'd like to buy your....actually, I don't. Keep it.
I bet Condi would've known the propert word for "reset." Seriously. No one in the State Department speaks Russian anymore?
Holy shit. They can't even get a juvenile, no class dig at the Bushies right.
Between the reset button, and the Brown snub, and the bizarre war with Rush, I'm starting to think the administration is actually being run by a bunch of teenage girls.
I believe what you have just committed is called heresy.
Just take the blue pill already.
The world has awakened to a horrifying truth: Barack Obama is not smarter than George W. Bush.
Obama's administration doesn't seem to have a clue when it comes to anything. The State Department can't even remember how to translate Russian.
There is only one thing they are any good at: finding tax cheats.