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Will Oprah Cancel Her Order for Endorsement for Socks the Cat's Memoirs?

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Oprah Winfrey, a big champion of frauds James Frey and Margaret Seltzer, has once again been burned by a literary faker. This time it's the author of a phonified Holocaust story:

Herman Rosenblat's memoir, "Angel at the Fence," deemed by Winfrey as "the single greatest love story" she's ever featured on her show, may now be coined by some as the single fakest love story, after the author admitted he fabricated the story of how he and his wife met at a Nazi concentration camp.

They did not, as Rosenblat falsely wrote in the book, meet at a concentration camp during World War II, where Rosenblat claimed his wife had thrown him apples and bread over the barbed-wire fence that separated them.

In reality, Rosenblat and his wife, Roma, were set up on a blind date in New York years after the war was over.

More here.

Rosenblatt was quoted by Time.com yesterday as explaining his motivations thus: "I wanted to bring happiness."

Meanwhile, another fake memoirist, Socks the Cat, the abandonend first feline of the Clinton White House, is reportedly near death. What's more, as they left the White House, the Clintons dumped Socks on White House secretary Betty Currie:

The cat who was the pet of the Clinton family in the White House apparently has cancer.

According to presidential historian Barry Landau, a friend of Socks' current owner, Betty Currie, the cat may have just "days or weeks" to live.

Socks ended up with Currie—who was Bill Clinton's White House secretary—after the Clintons left the White House. The cat didn't get along with the Clintons' dog, and aggravated the president's allergies.

As for Currie, who became well-known during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, she's now working for John Podesta, who's co-chairman of President-elect Barack Obama's transition.

It's not known if she'll work in the Obama White House.

More here.

Tim Cavanaugh wrote about literary fakery for Reason. Read all about it here.

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  1. The weird thing about the Holocaust survivor is that he apparently really is a holocaust survivor, he just didn’t fall in love during the holocaust. Apparently, he felt surviving Buchenwald wasn’t a compelling enough narrative, so he added the love story angle. That’s about as dumb as adding a love story to the Titannic in order to make it compelling for modern audiences.

  2. You’d think Oprah has enough cash to hire some decent researchers and avoid this. I have to conclude most of her audience really doesn’t give a shit about the truth.

  3. “That’s about as dumb as adding a love story to the Titannic in order to make it compelling for modern audiences”

    Yeah but without the love story what excuse do you have for Kate Winslet laying around naked? Without Kate Winslet showing the goods, what possible point is there to the movie?

  4. The cat reminds me of a silly bureaucratic screwing I got during my fellowship. The Clintons threw a White House staff party at, naturally, the White House. I was invited along with the rest of the staff. However, because I was a legal fellow and not the usual kind, I somehow got left off of the free t-shirt list, which had on the front something about being on WH staff but also included a picture of Socks. I tried to get one of those damned shirts for a month, but it was impossible. See, my name wasn’t on the t-shirt list, even though I was allowed to attend the party and be in close proximity with the president and the senior staff.

    Speaking of that staff party, I skipped the opportunity to talk to the president and the First Lady (probably for a good length of time–they hung out for quite a while) to go on a blind date with a Ukrainian girl who was going to attend my law school. Looking back, I think I made the right decision. Being able to say that you blew off the president (and a future senator and SOS) has a certain cachet.

  5. John: The guy falling and ricocheting off the propeller was pretty cool!

  6. Yeah but without the love story what excuse do you have for Kate Winslet laying around naked?

    Get that thing off; you’ll never be able to float once it gets wet?

  7. THE URKOBOLD VIEWED TITANIC WHILE VACATIONING IN NEW ZEALAND. IT WASN’T CALLED TITANIC THERE, HOWEVER. IT WAS CALLED SAVING KATE’S BOSOM.

  8. Speaking of Oprah, what will Obama give to her for her help?

  9. Relevance, 20 years after her prime.

  10. I have to conclude most of her audience really doesn’t give a shit about the truth.

    “What are you reading next?”

    “Well, she hasn’t told us yet… Damn!”

  11. Oprah is the Queen of All Media, dude. A woman who is taking over total control of Discovery Health and will call the new network OWN (the Oprah Winfrey Network, no less) is still doing okay.

  12. Literary fakery and the Jewish Holocaust…. Kind of go together, don’t they?

  13. Good-bye, Oprah/Kate Winslet/Pro’s White House experience thread. We hardly knew ye.

  14. So if Socks recovers, he could become the Grover Cleveland of cats. Cool.

  15. Abdul? May I call you Paula? (heh)

    Apparently, he felt surviving Buchenwald wasn’t a compelling enough narrative….

    I know! What a maroon.

    In literature there is a name for made up stories. It’s called fiction. He could have simply written a novel where the characters fall in love in Buchenwald.

  16. In 1982, the Holocaust historian Raul Hilberg, summarized his thesis before an audience of nearly 2,700 at Avery Fischer Hall in New York City: the entire German policy for the physical destruction of the Jews was to be explained by mind reading! No document attesting to this criminal policy could be found, because no such document existed. For several years, the entire German bureaucratic machinery operated through a kind of telepathy. As Hilberg put it:

    “But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus — mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.”

    Let me note again those final words: “an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus — mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.” AMAZING!

  17. “In literature there is a name for made up stories. It’s called fiction. He could have simply written a novel where the characters fall in love in Buchenwald.”

    For some reason publishers like the idea that this is a “true story”. Take a story and call it fiction and you will get a little interest in getting it published. Take the same story and call it a memior and you will get a lot of interest. Most people who write, do so by taking their own life experiences and making them more interesting. Then they try to get published and are told, “if this were a memoir I would be interested but not so much as fiction.” They then are tempted to just call it a memoir and hope for the best.

  18. The real story here is that with the death of Sox and the death of Buddy a few years ago, the full truth of Whitewater and Vince Foster will now probably never be known.

  19. It seems that in today’s world sentiment seems to trump fact.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beardstown_ladies

  20. Couldn’t they go for the “based on a true story” tag? Seems to work for movies.

  21. Oh good. Here come the Holocaust deniers.

  22. Michael S.-

    Both you and me would be subject to arrest and prosecution if the ADL is successful in getting its proposed hate legislation passed by Congress. We are subject to the same as I type under the law in Germany, France, Austria and, of course, Zionland.

  23. Despite this latest setback, Oprah still carries a lot of weight.

  24. Zeb-

    Never Again! Never Again! Can’t let the Nazis march in Skokie. Can’t let people express their opinions lest they upset our victim narrative.

  25. @Michael Santomauro
    “Let me note again those final words: “an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus — mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.” AMAZING!”

    Even more amazing is something called ‘proceeding by increment’ or ‘relative action’, which rationalizes every decision about to be taken as not much worse than what has just happened. Decision A to Z would be unconscionable but A to B is not so bad; neither is B to C etc. Add to that the necessity of people locally making tactical decisions under crisis conditions and you have a recipe for disaster.

  26. I hate Illinois Nazis!

  27. I guess all the Jews in Europe were beamed up by space aliens. God Liberty Mike, I never realized you were a whackjob.

  28. God, I hope that’s somebody spoofing libertymike.

  29. John | December 30, 2008, 11:10am | #

    The real story here is that with the death of Sox and the death of Buddy a few years ago, the full truth of Whitewater and Vince Foster will now probably never be known.

    Uh, unknown flight, this is the tower at Mena airport. Do you copy?

    Mew.

    Unknown flight, please repeat, I didn’t catch that.

    Mew!

  30. still think they shoulda named Buddy “Shoes”. woulda been teh funni

  31. The weird thing is that this guy actually DID survive the Holocaust in a concentration camp, he just didn’t meet his wife in a concentration camp… I bet the book is a good read, even though it’s technically fiction!

    So… publish it as fiction – it’s apparently quite good, right? I’d probably buy a copy… I mean, how would it be any different than watching “Benjamin Button” or “The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas”?

    Sadly, this guy reminds me of every guy I ever met who was a personnelist but tells everyone that he was a Special Forces super-hero, or those guys who end up exposed on TV because they pile on a bunch of military decorations they didn’t earn…

    I’ve always suspected that the reason they do this is because their experiences in service to their country just wasn’t quite dramatic enough to make them special ENOUGH, like this guy probably felt that surviving a concentration camp didn’t make him special enough.

  32. God Liberty Mike, I never realized you were a whackjob.

    Appears you were wrong.

  33. Oprah Winfrey, a big champion of frauds James Frey and Margaret Seltzer, has once again been burned by a literary faker.

    And I thought you were going to talk about Towelie. Though I can understand not wanting to go anywhere near something to do with Oprah’s minge(y).

  34. Pro Lib – if your comment about Oprah was directed at me, then note I didn’t say she wasn’t going to continue to be influential. I just implied she has no reason to give a damn about the truth, because her audience follows her like sheep. (Note Dagny T’s apropos Family Guy quote).

  35. BP,

    I was commenting on joe’s comment. I agree with you–Oprah’s audience would believe that gravity was “just a theory” if she said it.

  36. “You win again, gravity!”

  37. ooh. so you have another challenge, gravity. I say, “game on”.

  38. I know this defies the law of gravity, but I never studied law.

  39. Actually, I misquoted. It should be, “I know this defies the law of gravity, but, you see, I never studied law.”

  40. I’d like to point out something that should be considered historical to Hit and Run.

    John and Joe, working together, for a thread win.

  41. mediageek,

    Only if you believe that Socks and Buddy played no role in removing undesirables from the Clinton administration.

  42. ProGlib:

    hier is probably how it went down…

  43. Despite this latest setback, Oprah still carries a lot of weight.

    Yes, she is quite the behemoth, yes? We don’t even realize the girth of her influence. You can try to take her down but a fat lot of good that will do you.

  44. Joe, John and Winecommonsewer-

    Where are you on the issue of hate crime laws? Is it okay to arrest, prosecute and incarcerate upon the basis that one either denies or questions the extent of the official jewish holocaust narrative? If you are okay with that state of affairs, I submit that you are the whackjobs.

  45. This thread should devolve into a massive lolcat linkfest. I’ll start.

  46. Joe, John and Winecommonsewer-

    Do you deny or minimize the Palestian holocaust? To do so would militate in favor of you being branded a whackjob.

  47. epi – see 12:38.

    Zu sp?t.

    chortles and ambles off happily.

  48. The U.S. doesn’t criminalize Holocaust denial, last I knew anything about it.

  49. Viking Moose, your link is what inspired me to post mine. You were the catalyst.

    IM IN UR IDEA, EATIN UR DOG FOOD

  50. Do you deny or minimize the Palestian holocaust?

    Help me out here, LM.

    Is there a “Palestinian” ethnic group, or are they just Jordanians who were displaced in the late ’40s?

    Who is conducting an organized campaign of extermination of “Palestinians”? How is it being carried out?

  51. Where are you on the issue of hate crime laws?

    Completely fucking unintersted in discussing them with a Holocaust denier.

  52. Do you deny or minimize the Palestian holocaust?

    Uh, yeah, that’s me, d00d.

  53. “John and Joe, working together, for a thread win.”

    So the inevitable has finally happened and those crazy kids have gotten together! Good for them!

  54. I’m not interested in images involving cats; however, one of the Urkoboldians uncovered this monkey classic a while back.

  55. libertymike | October 9, 2008, 8:14pm | #

    Concerned observer-

    Please support your assertion that I am spinning conspiracy theories about the jews with specific facts. Good luck. Right now your logic is that of a loser.?

    All good things come to those who wait.

  56. Joe-

    I see. You want to take your ball and go home.

  57. Oh, so you guys want to play rough? It’s Cliff Yablonski time.

  58. Is there a “Palestinian” ethnic group, or are they just Jordanians who were displaced in the late ’40s?

    Jordanian is an ethnic group?

    I did not know that.

  59. Epi – don’t make me send my posse after you.

  60. Joe-

    I guess we will take it as true that you are one big hypocrite. You are deemed to agree with hate crime laws that seek to punish those who disagree with the jewish holocaust victim narrative.

  61. VM, I’ve been bad. Maybe you should.

  62. “You are deemed to agree with hate crime laws…”
    Ow! That’s gotta sting.

  63. are you for fucking real?

    mein gott.

  64. Mike, I don’t think there should be a law prohibiting you from publicly flaunting just how much of a fucking imbecile you are.

    Now that we’ve settled that, please go back to your Mom’s basement, wrap yourself up in that Chinese-made knockoff of a Nazi Swastika flag you’ve got, and get back to jerking off to Mein Kampf.

  65. Where’s Underzog? If him and libertymike went at it, it’d be better than joe vs. John or Episiarch vs. Sugarfree.

  66. prize for Media!

    Epi – careful – they can be pretty rough!

  67. VM, I’ve seen Stripes. I can take it.

  68. lean, mean fighting machine!!!
    also, #69)

  69. That’s the ticket BP.

    For once I’d get a kick out of Underzog calling someone an Ernst Roehm homosexual.

    Oh, and the Nordic Ruminant tells me there’s a boxcar of whisky on the way.

    Drink!!!

  70. VM, chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it’s usually something unusual. But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you. I mean, it’s not just the uniform. It’s the stories that you tell. So much fun and imagination.

  71. Notice how Joe, and many others for that matter, think that the holocaust refers only to the so called jewish holocaust. Its as if the jews own the concept and that its application to others is an affront to the victimms of those who perished at the hands of the Nazis.

  72. Lee Harvey! You are a madman. When you and your friends tipped that cow, and your friend tried to make it with the cow….

    however, seeing Stripes might not be enough…

  73. Mediageek-

    Are you afraid of offending the jewsies?

  74. Libertymike,

    There is no “Palistinian Holocaust”. If there was, there would be no Palistinians left. To argue that there is, is to either lie about the real state of the middle-east or deny that there was a holocaust in Europe. Only someone in complete denial or utterly historically ignorant could think that what is happening in Palistine is in any way on the level of what happened in Europe in the 30s and 40s.

  75. Mediageek-

    Seriously, are you suffering from a logic deficiency? You have no evidence to support the proposition that I support Naziism or that I would be worshipping the swastika.

    Vigorous defense of those prosecuted for denying or questioning the extent of the jewish holocaust does not equal love of Hitler, Himmler, the SS or swastika. Learn how to argue with reason and logic.

  76. John-

    By your logic, there would not be any jews left.

  77. Isaac – that’s what I was thinking. Actually, it’d probably wind up like the Billy Beck vs. TAO (& others) thread – with 2000+ posts generating a lot of heat, and little light.

  78. Libertymike

    I have never seen anyone defend the hate speech laws of various European countries and Canada in this forum. Coming here and making accusations like that is not particularly useful.

    On the other hand you have made statements here that most definitely did sound like you were denying that the nazis engaged in a mass killing program aimed primarly at Europe’s jews.

    When you make such statements you are likely to be shunned by decent people.

    And even by people like me.

  79. Since when do Holocause deniers get to deem anything?

    Go carve a B on your face, freak.

    For the record, I haven’t written a word about laws about Holocaust denial, except to say that I have no interest in discussing the subject with the deniers.

    Gee, who would have thought that a guy who said that electing a black mayor causes cities to go down the tubes would turn out to be a racist piece of shit?

  80. You are deemed noncompliant. Will you comply?

  81. Libertymike is here!

    DON’T MENTION THE WAR!

  82. By your logic, there would not be any jews left.

    Considering that there are towns* that were completely emptied of their jewish inhabitants, it’s likely that given time the Nazis would have completed that objective.

    *And, by the way, it’s one of Europe’s dirty little secrets is that it was not just the Nazis that were quite happy about this.

  83. Joe-

    You have admitted that you are a holocaust denier upthread.

  84. YOU STARTED IT!

  85. Yes you did! You invaded Poland!

  86. joe’s an admitted holocaust denier?

  87. ve vill have ordnung. und sofort.

    yoo vill behave.

  88. Issac-

    I have never denied the existence of the jewish holocaust. Nobody here knows how many jews were killed by nazis in furtherance of the final solution. I do know that nobody here can prove its six million. I note that you did not apply a rigorous standard of logic in your post. How do you go from a vigorous defense of those prosecuted for hate crimes for either denying or questioning the extent of the jewish holocaust to holocaust denier? Decent people don’t leave their logic at the door-even when it concerns this subject.

    Decent people, the world over, are shunning Israel.

  89. Joe-

    The Holocaust Denier. In his own words.

  90. Then you should have no trouble quoting those words.

  91. Pro Lib-

    See Joe’s post upthread at 12:54.

  92. Oh, I see. You’re saying that he’s denying a Palestinian holocaust.

  93. How do you go from a vigorous defense of those prosecuted for hate crimes for either denying or questioning the extent of the jewish holocaust to holocaust denier?

    Kind of answers itself, especially when your defense of holocaust deniers includes approving quotations and adoption of their ideas.

  94. Oh, I see. You’re saying that he’s denying a Palestinian holocaust.

    …and, apparently, thinks that the use of the term “d00d” is an indication of utter seriousness.

    Libertymike, do you write on the walls in your own poo?

  95. This Mike sure has some interesting things to say

  96. How do you go from a vigorous defense of those prosecuted for hate crimes for either denying or questioning the extent of the jewish holocaust to holocaust denier?

    Actually, it usually works the other way.

    You go from denying the Holocaust to vigorously (not a gruding but principled defense, like a decent person would do, but vigorously) defending the poor, persecuted Holocaust deniers.

    Step three is usually to try to deflect attention by saying “Yeah, well, lots of people died, what makes the Joos so special?” See “Gibson, Mel,” or “LibertyMike.”

  97. You’re saying that he’s denying a Palestinian holocaust.

    As am I, pending some indication that there is in fact, genocide aimed at “Palestinians.”

    I put Palestinians in quotes because genocide is a program of extermination aimed at an identifiable national, ethnic, racial or religious group group. I don’t think the Palestinians qualify as such a group, even if the Jooos were engaged in a program of extermination (which clearly they are not).

  98. Oh yeah, well you’re a towel!

    Oh, right, wrong thread…

    How do we even know that joos are real, that they actually exist? I bet they are just a fairy tale made up by the zionist conspiracists along with santa claus, mohammad, and New Jersey!

  99. I was merely understanding Mike’s statement, not advocating a position. I doubt that anyone can seriously call the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians genocide (or a holocaust), though some other harsh epithets might be applied, depending on ones point of view.

  100. I know the Rosenblatt family and have known for years that the “love story” part is fabricated; however, their holocaust experiences are true. Roma did escape persecution by passing as a polish catholic and Herman was a child in a concentration camp. I believe that age and mental illness are part of the reason why the love story became what it is today. When he first wrote this story, he had ambitions of becoming a famous writer and being something he is not that i attribute to his age and blurred perception of reality. Roma has not been well, physically and mentally, for over twenty years. Therefore, she is incompetent to be responsible for his actions. She is only a pawn in his game for fame.

  101. I don’t think it’s smart for libertarians to deny the Holocaust, considering our incoming president and youth hero feels about libertarians much like Hitler felt about Jews.

  102. Oh yeah, I think I did just top LibMike. I saw his holocaust denial and raised him a Jew denial!

  103. R C Dean-

    Definitions. One definiton of Holocaust means “mass slaughter of people.” Are you denying that the Israelis have not engaged in numerous acts of mass slaughter? Including the last few days when hundred have perished at the hands of the Israeli terror strikes?

  104. [quote]Are you afraid of offending the jewsies?[/quote]

    No, fucksuck. I just delight in mocking toothless shitbags like you.

    [quote]Seriously, are you suffering from a logic deficiency? You have no evidence to support the proposition that I support Naziism or that I would be worshipping the swastika.

    Vigorous defense of those prosecuted for denying or questioning the extent of the jewish holocaust does not equal love of Hitler, Himmler, the SS or swastika. Learn how to argue with reason and logic.[/quote]

    I would love to do that, but a prerequisite to my actually putting any effort into engaging in an actual argument with you would involve you first demonstrating that you possess more IQ than the average pile of santorum.

    Also, I was busy watching It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia which is an eminently more productive use of my time than engaging you with anything more than the loathsome disdain you so richly deserve.

    Honestly, how many punk music kids kicked the shit out of you when you were in high school?

  105. *sigh*

    Replace the quote tags above with the HTML blockquote tag, and life would be good. Stupid vbulletin habit.

  106. Mediageek-

    Good argumentation tactic. Up the volume on the unfounded ad hominem attacks when confronted with one’s lousy logic.

  107. Are you afraid of offending the jewsies?

    No, fucksuck. I just delight in mocking toothless shitbags like you.

    Seriously, are you suffering from a logic deficiency? You have no evidence to support the proposition that I support Nazism or that I would be worshiping the swastika.

    Vigorous defense of those prosecuted for denying or questioning the extent of the jewish holocaust does not equal love of Hitler, Himmler, the SS or swastika. Learn how to argue with reason and logic.

    I would love to do that, but a prerequisite to my actually putting any effort into engaging in an actual argument with you would involve you first demonstrating that you possess more IQ than the average pile of santorum.

    Also, I was busy watching It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia which is an eminently more productive use of my time than engaging you with anything more than the loathsome disdain you so richly deserve.

    Honestly, how many punk music kids kicked the shit out of you when you were in high school?

  108. apparently, those who deny mike have gotten permission to march.

    that’s right. LibMike deniers. Marching through Skokie.

  109. R C Dean-

    Check out Soundofegypt.com/palestinians/adult/massacres.

  110. I’ve never understood the argument that the Holocaust didn’t happen or quibbles about how many millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis. I suppose there’s an argument that Jews have overemphasized the particular Jewishness of the Holocaust, there being many millions of other sorts of people killed at the time, but I think that’s a quibble, and they can hardly be blamed for doing so. And the Nazis made more hay out of anti-Semitism than they did out of, say, anti-Gypsism, so the history supports viewing the event with some bias in favor of the Jews.

    Israel does bad things, some that maybe have some justification, others that don’t. But whatever they do today doesn’t take away from the evil done to them by the Nazis. I don’t advocate giving Israel a pass today for what Jews suffered decades ago, but I also don’t think it’s necessary to diminish the Holocaust to condemn Israeli policies.

  111. Good argumentation tactic. Up the volume on the unfounded ad hominem attacks when confronted with one’s lousy logic.

    Plainly you don’t get it. I’m not interested in arguing with you. I’m not interested in engaging you in a dialogue, nor exploring your ideas via the Socratic method, or even giving you a fair shake to present your views.

    You’re a holocaust denier, or defender of those who are, and therefore not worth my time. If the mounds of evidence in the ledger books of the Nazis, the hundreds of feet of film, thousands of photographs, and general disappearance of millions of people over a short time can’t convince you that something might have been afoot in Nazi Germany, then there’s nothing I can say that would be capable of convincing you of just how fucking wrong you are.

    In short, Mike, you’re damaged fucking goods. Too willfully stupid to see the forest, let alone the trees. And for that you deserve nothing but to be treated like a piece of shit because, with apologies to Mr. Hanky, that’s exactly what you are.

  112. I don’t even know what libertymike’s on about today. He’s the one that started this whole notion that we’re all supportive of free-speech violations and that we’re all in the Likud party.

    Although given that I am sure he’s a Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell fan, this does not surprise me.

  113. Mediageek-

    Maybe you are not reading everything? My views are similar to Professor Finkelstein’s. Again, I am not denying the Nazi horrors. Repeat, I am not denying the Nazi horrors.

    You are conflating defense of jewish holocaust deniers and those that qestion the official jewish holocaust narrative with jewish holocaust denial. My position is that friends of liberty and truth should not be shrieking and screaming about those that deny the jewish holocaust or those that question the official jewish holocaust narrative while remaining silent about the ADL sponsored hate laws that have put people in jail for expressing their opinions.

    Rings just a little hollow.

  114. no one’s remained silent on anything. you’re manufacturing outrage on a thread totally unrelated to the topic to get on your personal hobby horse.

    you’re down a lot of respect from me just for that.

  115. TAO-

    You be right, I am a fan of both.

  116. Popcorn. Get ‘cher popcorn here.

  117. Let’s roll tape, LM. Everyone’s joking with everyone else until you dropped this bullshit in the punch bowl:

    Literary fakery and the Jewish Holocaust…. Kind of go together, don’t they?

    .

    Now, you can feign ignorance, but that sounds like (dog-whistle style) the beginnings of a diatribe on denying the Holocaust.

    The other thing is this: Yes, from 1945 forward, the Holocaust pretty much does have a monopoly on the word “holocaust”. And you know what’s worse about you trying to “take that word back” is that you know you’re just pissing everyone off. It’s purposeful. on your part. It’s like some racist using the word “niggardly” with a sly smile on his face: you know what you’re doing.

    So, yeah, you’re being a little douchebag.

  118. I paid my farewells to the original, non-holocaust-related thread at 10:58 a.m.

  119. Made my farewells? Paid my respects? Fared my wellpaids?

  120. TAO-

    Upon consideration, you are, in part, right.

    I will admit that I am very upset about what is going on in Gaza. It disturbs me. It also disturbs me that american largesse greatly assists the mass murder.

    You are not right about “manufacturing outrage” as I have often expressed my disdain for hate laws. You know that.

    But, I agree, this thread is unrelated to the topic. I bear responsibility for that.

  121. Definitions. One definiton of Holocaust means “mass slaughter of people.”

    Not buying it, as I generally don’t buy attempts to dumb words down. A holocaust, post-Hitler, is genocide or attempted genocide.

    I will admit that I am very upset about what is going on in Gaza.

    I’m not too happy about it either, but I try not to assign blame entirely to the Jews.

  122. “Let’s roll tape, LM. Everyone’s joking with everyone else until you dropped this bullshit in the punch bowl:

    Literary fakery and the Jewish Holocaust…. Kind of go together, don’t they?
    .

    Now, you can feign ignorance, but that sounds like (dog-whistle style) the beginnings of a diatribe on denying the Holocaust.”

    Shortly followed by:

    Notice how Joe, and many others for that matter, think that the holocaust refers only to the so called jewish holocaust. Its as if the jews own the concept and that its application to others is an affront to the victimms of those who perished at the hands of the Nazis.

  123. Followed closely by:

    Are you afraid of offending the jewsies?

    and

    Nobody here knows how many jews were killed by nazis in furtherance of the final solution. I do know that nobody here can prove its six million.

    and

    the official jewish holocaust narrative

    Every single fucking one of the “respectable,” Mel Gibson style Holocaust denial tropes.

  124. R C Dean-

    The dictionary definitions of holocaust are not limited to the Nazi/Jewish holocaust. Nor do the dictionary definitions confine the meaning of holocaust to genocide or attempted genocide.

  125. RC,

    Palestinian is a national group, even if it’s not an ethnic one.

    Could there not be, in theory, a genocide against the Quebecois? Not a unique ethnicity, no state of their own…but clearly, trying to wipe out the Quebecois would be an act of genocide.

    The reason there is no Palestinian genoicide is because the Israelis are working to repress the Palestinians, not eliminate them.

  126. libertymike – so. fucking. what? There are plenty of other words you can use that would describe exactly what you want to describe without you taking the deliberate steps of being a pain-in-the-ass.

    That’s not what you want though: you want the “shock and awe” of using the word “holocaust” to describe what Israel is supposedly doing in Gaza. How childish. “See, Jews can commit a ‘holocaust’ too, if I am an overbearing pedant with axe to grind!”

  127. My position is that friends of liberty and truth should not be shrieking and screaming about those that deny the jewish holocaust or those that question the official jewish holocaust narrative while remaining silent about the ADL sponsored hate laws that have put people in jail for expressing their opinions.

    The day that being a “true” libertarian means that I have to make polite chitchat and tolerate hatemongers is the day that I turn in my decoder ring.

  128. I mean, fuck me.

    Since when does catering to holocaust deniers do a single goddamned thing to help mainstream the ideals of individual liberty?

    Jesus Christ, that’s the most fucking stupid argument in defense of holocaust denial that I’ve ever seen. The attempt to even try to conflate the two is laughable on it’s face.

    Goddammit. I mean, every political group has it’s wingnuts, but why does my group have to get saddled with the most pathetic, mullet-wearing losers of all?

  129. I know the Rosenblatt family and have known for years that the “love story” part is fabricated; however, their holocaust experiences are true.

    It strikes me as a shame that the story could not have been sold as a work of fiction. Certainly the backstory of the author as an actual holocaust survivor would have added extra poignance.

    I realize that the publisher’s obligation for factchecking is limited (and much of it has to do with their own legal exposure, rather than any devotion to the truth) but surely someone could have checked this one out. Especially if the commenter above’s assertion is true.

    One might surely hope that Oprah is chastened and exercizes (or has her staff exercize) more diligence in fact checking. But given how many times she’s been caught in bullshit like this before that seems unlikely.

  130. 1. King David Masacre.

    2. Dair Yasin Massacre.

    3. Qana Massacre I.

    4. Qana Massacre II.

  131. What is your point, libertymike? That Israel has killed some people? Oh, ok, glad you notified me, because without you I would have had no idea.

  132. TAO-

    Its been ongoing and systematic. Does it bother you that Israel is so universally disdained by the world, apart from America? Does it bother you that Israel is a racist state? Doesn’t it bother you that Israel has repeatedly blocked investigations into allegations that it has perpetrated war crimes?

  133. Interacting with the troll is fail. You all lose for taking libertymike’s bait in the first place.

  134. So you came on sounding (intentionally) like a Holocaust denier because you’re bothered by some of the things Israel has done?

    Ho-kay. I bet that’s it. Here’s a clue: I don’t give a fuck about Israel. I just don’t care. There are way worse places on Earth, but somehow, someway, 95% of people who just happen to have an imbalance about Israel just happen to be Shoah revisionists or deniers.

    How coincidental.

  135. Speaking of Sox and blowing off the president, I was at a cocktail party once at the White House, and someone said ‘Would you like to meet President Clinton? (who was standing almost in front of me) and I looked over his shoulder and said ‘Are those hors d’oeuvres?’ and went right past him and got some. They were really good.

  136. Robert,

    I was there in 1995, so I didn’t have that level of contempt for Clinton yet. Besides, I technically worked for the man, so that might have been a career-limiting move. My snub, such as it was, had more to do with the aforementioned girl (who was reported and proved to be a knock-out, though it also turned out that my friend neglected to tell me about her boyfriend) than with anything else. Frankly, I’d have liked to have met him. I mean, bad president or not, he was the president.

  137. Wow – even giving libertymike an infinite level of benefit of the doubt by attributing his line of thought to “he disagrees with hate crime legislation” (which I do, as well – there’s already real laws for real crimes on the books) and that he is “willing to defend all people’s rights to say things even if he disagrees with it” (which is practially dogma for libertarians), you’re still left with the icky feeling that he hates Israel’s existence and that it is retaliating against Hamas’s rocket attacks, that he defends Holocaust-deniers and finds their argument compelling, and throws made-up racist-sounding insults (“jewsies”) around.

    Here’s what i hvae to say about libertymike claiming he’s a libertarian:

    EPIC FAIL.

  138. there we go, ProGlib.

    Back on a more interesting topic.

    Your days as a white house intern and Kate Winslet.

  139. VM,

    Took long enough to restore balance to this thread, huh? I knew someone else on a political blog just had to have had a similar White House experience.

    Just think, in the summer of 1995, I could’ve met and dated Miss Lewinsky. Not my type, surely, but if I had been so wise, my subsequent speaking fees, television appearances, book(s), and movie deals would’ve made me a very wealthy man. Dang it. I could have my own talk show!

  140. *imagines ProGLib talk show*

    PL: welcome back to the show. today we have a great show lined up for you. first, my ex main squeeze, cigar aficionado, and the owner of a lovely blue dress, Monica

    [enters Monica in loose blue dress that’s cut off to show her thong. Crowd cheers and whistles]

    ….

    um…

    heads to Stevo’s bunk.

  141. Well, I think by the time I lined up the talk show, the Monica thing would’ve run its course. Though I suppose she might be a running gag or a sidekick or something.

  142. running gag would be good.

    You could recreate the scene where the congress critters chatted with her that time. But do it in the same vein as that scene in Basic Instinct (which always surprised me that SNL never did that)

    maybe you could also have The Todd stop on by occasionally to flex. you could all hammock up and um… never mind.

  143. I have it. She could read my Top Some Number Other than Ten List each week. From an undisclosed location. The running gag would be that Clinton is hunting her down. I’d also run from time to time videos of her making out with various other Clinton women, like Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Hillary Clinton, et al.

  144. how about some mud rasslin with Sarah Palin?

    (for some reason, I’m on a mud rasslin kick today. I blame Epi)

  145. Sure. I’d also bring on Bristol Palin as a regular guest.

  146. Monica could never be a gag. From what I hear, she lost that reflex years ago.

  147. bazing. A_R shoots. He scores!!

    hey – how were finals? fingers crossed for you, buddy!! and good luck when the semester starts up!

  148. See? She’d be great! I’d do regular bits on the latest guy (loser!) her parents have set her up with. Comedy gold.

  149. Rob-

    Libertarians disdain the forcuible confiscation of private property for any reason-including the theft of property for the purpose of aiding Israel in its serial mass murdering.

    Because one recognizes that Israel is an apartheid state that practices mass murder and is a pariah the world over should not give another “an icky feelling” about the former’s recognition. It certainly is not evidence that one is not a libertarian.

    BTW, I detest Robert Mugabe and his mass murders. I detest Joe Stalin and his mass murders. I also detest Abe Lincoln and his mass murders. According to Joe, that means I have a “confederacy fetish”. I detest Sherman and his mass murders. I detest Truman and his mass murders. Yeah, I detest Hitler and Himmler and their mass murders. I detest the mass murders at Waco. I detest the mass murders at Kent State.

    But, today-as we write- our hard earned money is being taken from us so that the state of Israel can add to its war machine with which it has no problem committing mass murder. That fact does give me an icky feeling.

  150. hey – how were finals? fingers crossed for you, buddy!! and good luck when the semester starts up!

    Thanks! I think everything went well, but tOSU takes forever in grading exams, so we don’t know how they actually went for another month.

    Appreciate the well-wishes, though…say hi to Mrs. Ruminant for me. And send me some more of BP’s comics sometime.

  151. tOSU? Is that THE OSU? Lord, when will they get over that? It’s almost as stupid as Miami calling itself “The U” to cover up the idiocy of having a ‘U’ on its helmets.

    I used to work for Ohio State back in the 90s, making snide predictions of what UF would do to permanently humiliate THE august institution in the 21st century. How prescient I turned out to be.

  152. cheers, A_R!

    ProGLib – that’s the one. UF certainly did hand the buckeyes their tookas in a few sports.

    however, in terms of econ depts, south Fla has it all over Fla (or at least did about 4-5 years ago).

    🙂

  153. Does it? There’s not much that USF beats UF in, so I guess that’s a good thing (I say that as a long-term Tampa resident). UF tends to be best in applied areas like engineering, medicine, and business, though there are some exceptions. It’s supposedly an excellent history school, for instance. That’s one thing with these big schools–they’re all great at some area or another.

    I took four economics classes at UF as a finance major. My favorite was with a guy named Dave Denslow, who was my first (macro) Econ professor.

  154. macro???

    *backs slowly away*

    🙂

  155. I’d also run from time to time videos of her making out with various other Clinton women, like Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Hillary Clinton, et al.?

    So, Pro Lib: are you a Zoe Baird man, or a Kimba Wood man.

    I’d Lani her Guinier.

  156. DUDE, I was going to totally skip this thread. I mean why would I give a fuck about Oprah? Srsly, that shit is for houswives and stuff right.

    I am very glad I didn’t. It proved to be very amusing.

    What I have gathered thus far:

    Good:
    Kate Winslet naked
    A dude bouncing of the titanic propeller
    the Titanic sinking
    Having the opportunity to meet the prez and brushing him off

    Not Good:
    Hate crime laws
    Quibling about exactly how many Jews were killed
    Using racist rhetoric when arguing
    Finding out that a really hot foreign chick you are fixin’ to date has a bf.

    Well that last one could be a feature not a bug if she is still willing and you don’t want to make anything serious of it.

    I mean depending on your morals. I mean I never would, but it could be for some, I am just saying.

  157. LibertyMike,

    Who cares if Israel is a pariah the world over?
    I mean so is libertarianism, so that isn’t really a usefull yardstick is it?

    Honestly fuck the rest of the world. We have to do what we think is right, and not really care what the rest of the world thinks. What is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong.

    The rest of the world is at best socialist. That is not us, nor should it be.

  158. This hoax is a tragedy. The Rosenblats have hurt Jews all over and given support to those who deny the holocaust. I don’t understand why Atlantic Pictures is still proceeding to make a film based on a lie. I also don’t understand how Oprah could have publicized this story, especially after James Frey and given that many bloggers like Deborah Lipstadt said in 2007 that the Rosenblat’s story couldn’t be true.
    There are so many other worthwhile projects based on genuine love stories from the Holocaust. My favorite is the one about Dina Gottliebova Babbitt – the beautiful young art student who painted Snow White and the Seven Dwarves on the children’s barracks at Auschwitz. This painting became the reason Dina and her Mother survived Auschwitz. After the end of the war, Dina applied for an art job in Paris. Unbeknownst to Dina, her interviewer was the lead animator on Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. They fell in love and got married. Now that’s a romantic love story! I also admire Dina for her tremendous courage to paint the mural in the first place. Painting the mural for the children caused her to be taken to Dr. Mengele, the Angel of Death. She thought she was going to be gassed, but bravely she stood up to Mengele and he made her his portrait painter, saving herself and her mother from the gas chamber.

    Also, Dina’s story has been verified as true. Some of the paintings she did for Mengele in Auschwitz survived the war and are at the Auschwitz Birkenau Museum. The story of her painting the mural of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs on the children’s barrack has been corroborated by many other Auschwitz prisoners, and of course her love and marriage to the animator of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs the Disney movie after the war in Paris is also documented.

    Why wasn’t the Rosenblatt’s story checked out before it was published and picked up to have the movie made?? I would like to see true and wonderful stories like Dina’s be publicized, not these hoax tales that destroy credibility and trust.

  159. Kwais-

    NO. America is a scoialist state. Income taxes, progressive income taxes, the war on drugs that produces thousands of murders-many committed by cops, trillion dollar military, etc.. collective bargaining, compulsory education, racist affirmative action-supported by big gvt. racist folk like Joe.

    Sure, I do not need the rest of the world to tell me that Israel is an aparthiet, mass murdering pariah.

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