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Good Samaritan Sex Offender

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The Chicago Sun-Times tells the story of Erasmo Palacios, who, after dropping off his six-year-old daughter at school, was with his wife Rocio and their 22-year-old daughter, all on their way to breakfast when they saw a woman waving her arms. Thinking she was in distress, they approached her in the car, at which point…

…the woman approached their car, parked outside Manolo?s restaurant, leaned in to the passenger side where Rocio was sitting and asked Erasmo if he wanted oral sex for $20 or sex for $25.

The couple laughed, realizing this wasn?t a woman in distress after all.

But within seconds, Chicago police swarmed the family car, hauling Erasmo Palacios out in handcuffs. He was charged with solicitation of a prostitute.

His daughter, who had just run in to exchange her coffee for a hot chocolate, screamed, while his wife cried in fear.

Eight hours later, Palacios, who has no criminal record, was released from custody. And weeks later, charges against him were dropped.

The police report improbably charged that Palacios solicited sex from the undercover officer, even as his wife sat in the passenger seat, and his daughter was on her way out from getting a beverage. Makes you wonder how many men have been wrongfully arrested for solicitation who didn't have their wives and daughters nearby to vouch for them. Also makes those websites cities put up posting mugshots of suspected (not convicted) johns all the more invidious.

The punchline: Though the charges were dropped, the city seized the family's car under laws allowing the forfeiture of automobiles used in the solicitation of prostitutes. The city won't return the car until the Palacios pay $4,700 in towing and storage fees.

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144 responses to “Good Samaritan Sex Offender

  1. Police officers undercover as prostitutes don’t even look that good…

  2. I’ll add this to the existing set of lessons I’ve learned from my government:

    Unintended Government Life Lesson #303: Don’t help anyone. Ever. It’s probably a fucking cop.

  3. No good deed …

    I hate these fucking cops in Chicago. I hate them with a passion.

  4. When in the Course of human events . . . .

  5. When will someone sane in the judiciary declare that forfeiture laws are bug-eyed crazy unconstitutional?!

  6. When in the Course of human events . . . .
    Here Here !

  7. Sounds like this guy was caught redhanded driving while Hispanic.

  8. Police officers undercover as prostitutes don’t even look that good…

    That’s probably why he thought she was in distress. “Oh geez, look at her Rocio! Someone must have beat the shit out of her!”

  9. Government truly is a racket. Perhaps RICO should be brought to bear against the city of Chicago……

  10. It sure is a good thing we don’t live in a police state.

  11. Another reason to legalize prostitution. When you go to a legal brothel in Nevada, you have no fears of getting arrested. No fears of nasty diseases. No fears of your face plastered on a johns site. The workers aren’t beaten. They aren’t junkies. And they’re genuinely friendly.

  12. Here Here !

    Not positive, but I believe the appropriate british exclamation is “Hear, Hear”

  13. Fuck Daley!!!

  14. We are coming to the point in this country that we really have no law anymore. How is it that we go from there being such a thing as entrapment, meaning that cops could not entrap otherwise innocent people into committing crimes and had to get the Johns to ask for sex in return for money to arrest them to know the cop can waive his arms and anyone who pulls over is arrested?

    There needs to be a national “throw cops and prosecutors in jail” task force. False arrest and abuse of prosucatorial discretion ought to be federal crimes with mandatory prison sentences. Whenever some dumb ass thing like this happens, everyone involved up until the matter was dropped goes to jail. No deals, no compromises, nothing. Just go to jail and stay there and never be allowed in law enforcement again. I know that is a drastic measure but these jackasses have abused the privilage of being cops and burned up their benefit of the doubt for too long.

  15. He wanted to do a prostitute right in front of his wife and daughter? KIN-KY. I wish my wife was that cool.

  16. Lost_In_Translation,

    Do you know what real prostitutes actually look like? [shudder] If I ever get desparate enough to pay for that, someone please shoot me.

  17. The police report improbably charged that Palacios solicited sex from the undercover officer, even as his wife sat in the passenger seat, and his daughter was on her way out from getting a beverage. Makes you wonder how many men have been wrongfully arrested for solicitation who didn’t have their wives and daughters nearby to vouch for them.

    I’m really trying hard to avoid saying Fuck the police! I really am.

    What’s the penalty for filing a false police report in Illinois? If your a cop, apparently nothing.

  18. wait, who was in the passenger seat?

  19. NWD,

    Yeah, which is even more frightening if you think about my statement.

  20. One of the top reasons why I left Phoenix for backwater, middle-america was that I was becoming more afraid of the police than the criminals.

  21. When in the Course of human events . . . .

    Exactly.

  22. The punchline: Though the charges were dropped, the city seized the family’s car under laws allowing the forfeiture of automobiles used in the solicitation of prostitutes. The city won’t return the car until the Palacios pay $4,700 in towing and storage fees.

    I thought you needed a joke for a punchline. This crap ain’t fuckin’ funny. Just quibbling.

  23. wait, who was acting like prostitutes?

  24. Too bad he has a family. Murdering all the players involved might just be worth frying for.
    I kid. Somewhat.

  25. …acting in the sense of doing, in, like real life.

  26. I am sorry, but they lied. They of course being the perverts who solicited sex from an undercover police officer lawfully posing as a prostitute. The charges were dropped on a technicality. The wife… well, she was the worse one of the bunch, talked about all kinds of sick things she wanted to do to the prostitute/officer. Sickening things, things no human should be aroused by, let alone participate in.

  27. Also makes those websites cities put up posting mugshots of suspected (not convicted) johns all the more invidious.

    What kind of sick fuck actually visits those websites? It’s bad enough some Milgramesque schmuck gets paid to put a site like that together.

  28. The city won’t return the car until the Palacios pay $4,700 in towing and storage fees.

    The city incured these costs for their own benifit, and at their own discression under the mistaken impression that the car belonged to the city of Chicago.

    This was not done at Palacios request or for their benifit.

    So whose costs are they?

  29. Is there any legal remedy to getting his property back without paying the fee? I would happily donate to a fund to help with legal expenses.

  30. The city won’t return the car until the Palacios pay $4,700 in towing and storage fees.

    The way I see it the city owes the Palacios rent for the car, and compensation for the inconvenience. Let’s not even mention a settlement for false arrest. I guess they’ve solved all the violent and property crimes in the windy city and the cops have nothing better to do.

  31. I guess they’ve solved all the violent and property crimes in the windy city and the cops have nothing better to do.

    Dude, those crimes are hard to stop..and dangerous! Why would they work on those when they can fleece some wetbacks who they figure won’t fight back?

    Come on, give the pigs some credit for efficiency.

  32. Is there any legal remedy to getting his property back without paying the fee?

    I think there are MUCH bigger issues to discuss, given how frequently this bullshit happens.

    1) Criminalizing victimless activities
    2) Growth of law-enforcement numbers and scope
    3) Entrapment
    4) Asset Theft
    5) Lack of LEO accountability
    6) Lack of LEO oversight
    7) Lack of media coverage (other than Radley Balko, CATO, the odd-“isn’t-that-wacky” story in MSM.

  33. I left out probably the two biggest problems (that I see)

    1) Criminalizing everything
    2) Exempting the Enforcers

  34. LibertyPlease,

    You see, the problem with discussing those issues is that fearless intellectual juggernaut and advocate of liberty Anderson Cooper doesn’t look as cool doing that as he does dodging missiles in Basra (for example).

    In other words, most modern “media” is infotainment. Radley Balko and the other Reason writers stand out so much because they’re real actual journalists who are good at what they do.

    Another good post, Radley. Well, good in the sense that you are yet again revealing that law enforcement is willing to break the law to enforce the law.

  35. …revealing that law enforcement is willing to break the law to enforce the law.

    Worse, breaking the law to aggressivly enforce unjust laws.

  36. The city won’t return the car until the Palacios pay $4,700 in towing and storage fees.

    OK, towing ~$100. Storage $4600? What did they do, get the car an apartment in the Loop? Damn, this shit just pisses me off.

  37. And we wonder why people are becoming less and less helpful and friendly in this world – my goodness all the couple thought was the woman was in distress and they were trying to HELP

  38. Re: “THEY LIED”

    Click on the link and it goes to the Corona (CA) Police Dept. I gotta ask, do the Corona taxpayers pay their police to surf the web? Whats more, pay to submit commits to blogs? Do such comments reflect the views of the CPD, and the City of Corona?

    My follow up question: if, as the poster states, they lied, can he/she please provide us with the court transcript or other evidence?

  39. Maybe the pigs were just looking for Hispanics/immigrants to fuck with (pun intended) ?

  40. I am curious to know what the Cops had to say about this. People lie to unbelievable extents and that includes both the citizens and the cops. For all we know they were actually soliciting and are just lying to the paper. When an article says that that the facts of the case are confirmed, then I will believe it.

  41. For all we know they were actually soliciting and are just lying to the paper.

    Seeing as they were with a daughter old enough to go inside the store herself, I have to go with my knowledge of the behavior of most normal humans and say they are telling the truth. Plus, going by normal cop behavior, I believe them even more. On top of it all, it’s entrapment.

  42. Illinois coppers. I hate Illinois coppers. (Revs up engine before running cops off bridge.)

  43. The punchline: Though the charges were dropped, the city seized the family’s car under laws allowing the forfeiture of automobiles used in the solicitation of prostitutes. The city won’t return the car until the Palacios pay $4,700 in towing and storage fees.

    Does DC still do this? I think I have asked here before but I don’t remember anybody knowing the answer.

    Right after I started working in the DC area some cop beeped his horn behind my truck and I had no idea what he wanted. He turned on his lights and I moved half way into a partial parking spot, since there were vehicles in front of me and i could not move forward. When he pulled alongside of me he yelled at me that the next time I did not get out of his way he would have my vehicle siezed and sold at auction.

    Later I found out why there were no right turns in that neighborhood during most of the day. It was some sort of inconvenience measure to keep drivers from soliciting prostitutes.

  44. Uh, sounds like entrapment to me if the cop brought up the subject of price. Something in this story is not true.

  45. You know, what I’m wondering is, is there absolutely noone in the whole Chicago police force that’s embarassed by this?

    WTF or as PJ O’Rourke once wrote “What the fucking fuck???”

  46. The city won’t return the car until the Palacios pay $4,700 in towing and storage fees.

    Nice extortion racket.

  47. I hope Erasmo Palacios gets good legal counsel and sues the city, their police department and individual police officers for millions.
    As the fact stand he was entrapped by a ruse that should make ordinary citizens fearful of being compassionate toward people in distress.

  48. $20 bucks for head!!! – now that’s entrapment.

    But seriously, who goes to score tail with the family in the car. This reeks of pettiness on behalf of the fuzz from the arm waving collar hunter all the way up to the bureaucracy inept pound.

    $20 bucks!

  49. This is just like that that time they arrested Eddie Murphy for giving a transsexual prostitute a ride home. Another lesson learned, don’t ever be a good samaritan or the state will accuse you of sex crimes.

  50. I wish I was a lawyer and rich enough to take on these cases pro-bono.

  51. WalterBoswell –

    At prices that low, the “prostitute” was most likely a transvestite… or at least that’s what my host brother in France told me to watch out for if offered a low price while frequenting the prostitute haunts of Paris

    ICK

  52. I hate living in Chicago too. A mobster mayor that’s been in office forever, THE WORST transit system in the WORLD, cops like john burge that beat suspects with all kinds of items, and a crappy county hospital.. BUT, at least we have “the bean”.

  53. pro-bono

  54. I’m calling the police dept. to complain. I suggest everyone else do the same.

  55. Guys, this is very typical for Chicago. The Chicago Dept. of Revenue is not directly connected to traffic enforcement or the general police, but they work closely with them both in regards to impounded vehicles and Denver Boots.

    In nearly every case where a vehicle is turned over to Revenue, even if the impounding has been ruled to be unwarranted, the poor SOB whose car has been turned over to the department will be forced to still pay to get his car back.

    The Chicago Department of Revenue are the biggest bunch of gangsters and racketeers in the country, only seconded by the current Presidential administration.

    Their vans normally cruise low income neighborhoods and randomly put boots on vehicles, and force the poor folks to pay to have them removed or they impound the vehicles and either force them to pay ridiculous amounts to get them back or sell them at auction.

    One guy I knew had his car unjustly impounded for parking tickets that should not have been billed to his car. He went to court and had the tickets removed. However when he went to Revenue to get his car and despite having a statement from the court claiming that he did not owe for the tickets, they refused to turn over his car. He had to go back to the judge and get a direct court order to force them to turn over his car. When he did, they took another ten days to do it. And to add insult to injury, two weeks later, they put those very same tickets back on his car again and he had to go through all of that crap again. Just for the record, he no longer lives in Chicago….

    And as for the poor guy in this story, odds are that he will not get his car back, as there are many reports that they take very expensive cars that they get and re-auction them off very quickly, to avoid having to give them back. Once the car is gone, they can stall forever regarding the money, if they are ordered to return the vehicle.

    Crooks, I tell you…they are a bunch of crooks.

  56. I have to go with my knowledge of the behavior of most normal humans and say they are telling the truth. Plus, going by normal cop behavior, I believe them even more.

    No kidding. I hear the myth of the “good cop” frequently, but have never seen one in the wild (rare in print too, even with the police-state-sympathetic media). Can’t tell you how many non-criminal people I know who have been arrested for bullshit by aggressive (and often ego-manical) police.

    My wife and I were talking the other day about needing to keep a lawyer’s business card in our wallets in preparation for eventual (unjustified and/or accidental) arrest.

    As a white-collar, mortgage-holding, middle-class, average American; I’d like to say Fuck the police. Fuck them all. If there is a good cop out there, fuck him too for going along with the LEO mob.

  57. Speaking of cops hassling people for doing absolutely nothing wrong:
    Police Threaten, Detain Motorist for Parking After Hours

    Luckily the kid had a camera rolling…

  58. The lesson here is always have a camera because cops lie.

    We need the death penalty for corruption like they have in China now.

  59. Mad Scientist – Ryo, there’s a video on CNN’s site.
    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/09/12/chetry.kid.pulled.over.dashcam.cnn

    Me likeeeeeeee. That’s cheered me up no end. I also like the fact that he interviewer asked “did you tried to go to the police and say this is what happened to me” and he replies that he went to the intertubes GO TUBESSSSSSSSSS.

  60. …THE WORST transit system in the WORLD,…

    No, that would be Detroit.

  61. I’m wondering if there might be some important details left out…why would a whole vice unit want to arrest this guy? What’s in it for them? Something doesn’t smell right with this story.

  62. As a white-collar, mortgage-holding, middle-class, average American; I’d like to say Fuck the police. Fuck them all. If there is a good cop out there, fuck him too for going along with the LEO mob.

    It wasn’t me! I didn’t say it. I (the halo shines) resisted.

  63. They charged him $4,700??? At that rate they owe him 235 Blow Jobs.

  64. Another reason to love the police!

  65. Wooah oooh oh…

    Trouble in America…

    [im so glad i don’t live there]

  66. Sickening things, things no human should be aroused by, let alone participate in.

    Like what? A Cincinnati Hot Plate?

  67. Like what? A Cincinnati Hot Plate?

    The useless crap you learn because of this websie…

    Yeah, I googled it.

  68. mgroves wrote: “I’m wondering if there might be some important details left out…why would a whole vice unit want to arrest this guy? What’s in it for them? Something doesn’t smell right with this story.”

    If mgroves wants evidence that this is NOT so unusual, see Radley’s article today (with photos) of 8 cops arresting 2 guys with one joint. Sorta the same scale, don’t ya think.

    Indeed, if there is an undercover cop involved, it would make sense to have more police to protect the UC officer, no?

  69. A little off topic but on the subject of criminalizing vice, Dallas PD is trying to stop prostitution by busting massage parlors for massaging without licenses. They’ve busted more people for license violations than prostitution. (at my site)

  70. Andy,
    Were you talking about the congressman or the whore?

  71. Wow.

    I was considering putting a high tech startup in Chicago but if they do this crap to FAMILIES.. single guys at a stoplight haven’t got a prayer.

    I think I’ll go with Atlanta. Thanks for providing me with the ‘tipping point’ data I needed to knock me off that fence.

    Goodbye Chicago.

    EB

  72. i see alot of comments about liberty
    i see this man talking about it an awful lot
    http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com

    time to take a stand against corporate and corrupt america.

  73. “He has erected a multitude of new Offices and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.”

    Declaration of Independence, 1776

  74. They should turn this around on the cops.

    Since the cop waved them down and did all the talking it was SHE who was soliciting HIM for sex.

    Of course, if this was a joke rather than a travesty, the punchline would be something like:

    “And then the wife says to her husband:
    ‘$25! She’s got to be kidding – don’t take less than $50 for doing it with her!'”

  75. Oh, the Sun-Times has a constant parade of articles about the whole parking ticket/towing/confiscation racket. No matter how many times the politicians wave their arms and promise to “investigate”, nothing ever changes.

    If it ain’t sleazy, it ain’t Chicago.

  76. No kidding. I hear the myth of the “good cop” frequently, but have never seen one in the wild

    I’m curious, LibertyPlease, how many encounters with LEOs you’ve had. Good cops (at least from a libertarian POV) seldom make news, and are rarely mentioned here at Reason, so basing your conclusions on that sample isn’t a good idea.

  77. That is a rare risk of having police. Letting them go undercover though… police state.

  78. Tell me if this is logical or not:

    Cops should be tried and prosecuted just like anyone else for doing crazy and unlawful things.

    But at the same time, if they raid someone’s house without a warrant, if they find incriminating evidence it should still count in court! In other words, the logical outcome should be 1) use the evidence against the criminal/killer, but 2) try the cop for breaking into a suspect’s house without a warrant. Some cops would risk that trial just to catch the killer…

  79. “In other words, the logical outcome should be 1) use the evidence against the criminal/killer, but 2) try the cop for breaking into a suspect’s house without a warrant. Some cops would risk that trial just to catch the killer…”

    Greg;

    I would have no problem with that if the LEO’s were only interested in actual crime rather than non-violent, voluntary interactions that happen to be illegal (War on Some Drugs, Prostitution and Gambling immediately spring to mind).

  80. Wow. That is RIDICULOUS. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Jesus. Is our country really that desperate…

  81. The punchline: Though the charges were dropped, the city seized the family’s car under laws allowing the forfeiture of automobiles used in the solicitation of prostitutes. The city won’t return the car until the Palacios pay $4,700 in towing and storage fees.

    Certainly, you knew this was coming….

  82. What the article didn’t mention is the veracity with which the wife was waving a twenty dollar bill at the undercover officer while shouting, “better you than me babe!”

  83. >>No kidding. I hear the myth of the “good cop” frequently, but have never seen one in the wild

    >I’m curious, LibertyPlease, how many encounters with LEOs you’ve had. Good cops (at least from a libertarian POV) seldom make news, and are rarely mentioned here at Reason, so basing your conclusions on that sample isn’t a good idea.

    crimethink, I said something similar in a comment the other day.

    Someone said on a thread the other day that not all cops are bad and perhaps he is right. But I’m starting to see these endless claims of good cops (and by that I mean law enforcement generally) as the equivalent to sightings of UFO’s and Bigfoot – I’ll believe it when I see one.

    I’ll tell you what is evidence for the general lack of “good cops” – their continued and deafening silence to outrage after outrage. If they existed in any substantial numbers I’d expect them to be concerned about these thugs, goons and downright criminals that Balko has done so much work to expose over the years. You’d think they would be worried about their image and reputation as good cops being tarnished by these incidents, but apparently not, as you almost never here a cop say anything negative about another cop no matter how bad his behavior.

    On the other hand, there is no such difficulty finding evidence of cops who have gone out of their way to lie about the facts and events of, say, a drug raid, in order to protect the guilty. This unmistakable disparity speaks volumes about the relative likelihood of finding a “good cop” in nature, as it were.

  84. Same story happened to my friend. As he was driving home from his late shift job, a woman at a red light on Sunset Blv, offered sex trough the window. He declined and drove home where his girlfriend was waiting for him. As he parked his car, cops stormed his garage and arreste him for sollicitating prostitution. He managed to get away after 5k as lawyer fees…..

  85. i just don’t believe the part about the car impound. if they left him go then they cannot charge him for the car…if it is true, then he needs a lawyer to sue…

  86. WAIT!

    Like seriously. And then on top of all of that they won’t give their car back until they pay $4,700?!?!?

    What in the…

  87. Ugh, so frustrating.

  88. goddam chicago pigs.
    rot in hell

  89. F–k the police, we should rally against them!

  90. But at the same time, if they raid someone’s house without a warrant, if they find incriminating evidence it should still count in court! In other words, the logical outcome should be 1) use the evidence against the criminal/killer, but 2) try the cop for breaking into a suspect’s house without a warrant. Some cops would risk that trial just to catch the killer…

    The problem is that they will “find” evidence, or never release that they illegally searched to begin with. Every police officer I’ve dealt with has been pleasant and fine, but any job where you get to carry a gun and boss people around is going to attract some assholes. And if an asshole has a choice between going to jail, or dropping a joint in the corner when nobody is looking, I think you can imagine what will happen.

    Add on that the prison system is now a money making private industry, and confiscation of property and tickets is a good money maker, and you’ll end up with some awful cases of abuse.

  91. We’ll obviously some people that are commenting didn’t bother to click on the link and read the rest of the article. THEY ARE SUING THE CITY. That is what the article was about. that was the title of the article for gods sake. if you don’t feel like clicking on it. Here is the COMPLETE article:

    CHICAGO —

    It was Rocio Palacios who first noticed the woman who appeared to need help.

    It was 8 a.m. when she and her husband, Erasmo, dropped their 6-year-old daughter off at school and had picked up their 22-year-old daughter to go out for breakfast when they saw the woman waving her arms at 53rd Street and Kedzie Avenue last November.

    The Palacioses, of Chicago, claim the woman approached their car, parked outside Manolo?s restaurant, leaned in to the passenger side where Rocio was sitting and asked Erasmo if he wanted oral sex for $20 or sex for $25.

    The couple laughed, realizing this wasn?t a woman in distress after all.

    But within seconds, Chicago police swarmed the family car, hauling Erasmo Palacios out in handcuffs. He was charged with solicitation of a prostitute

    His daughter, who had just run in to exchange her coffee for a hot chocolate, screamed, while his wife cried in fear.

    Eight hours later, Palacios, who has no criminal record, was released from custody. And weeks later, charges against him were dropped.

    Now, Erasmo Palacios is suing the city and the officers involved in his arrest, saying they violated his civil rights during an incident he described as both frightening and ridiculous.

    ?I?m so lucky I was with my wife — imagine if I had to try to tell her and she wasn?t with me,? he said, before laughing at the image. ?She?d never believe me. Never.?

    A Chicago police report offers few details, saying only that it was Erasmo Palacios who asked for sex, never mentioning his wife in the car or his daughter nearby.

    Attorneys Lonny Ben Ogus and Joe Cavanaugh also want to know what happened to the family?s 1983 Mercedes. It was impounded that November day and, Palacios said, his wife and daughter were even threatened with arrest as they tried to stop police from taking it, as they were left stranded that morning.

    The city wants more than $4,700 in towing and storage fees if he wants the car back.

    City officials declined to comment on the status of the family?s car and the Palacios case, while the undercover female officer involved in the arrest couldn?t be reached.

    Copyright 2007, Sun-Times News Group

  92. fuck that shit

  93. I try to restrain myself but this is exactly why I hate cops. Fuck them.

  94. Now that I’ve calmed down. The downtown of the city I used to live in was filled with the cheesiest hookers you could imagine. I mean, you wouldn’t do one of them with, oh, say, Urkbold’s you-know-what.

    Every time the cops tried to run one of those stings everybody was onto it because the chick was just to good looking to be a Lake Elsinore hooker.

  95. Police… lets just get someone we have too bust someone race creed or color.lets do a setup.We have too get our quota.This is why we pay taxes its stupidity in action.

  96. First of all because of the false arrest he can sue them. The police cannot not get you on that unless you agree to pay for sex. So first Id sue the hell of them then let them keep my car.

    If that spanish guy wasn’t so stupid thats what he would of done.

  97. One word. He’s not a White American. And America is the democratic worst country on this fucking planet. PERIOD

  98. It says it all on the state of US police!
    Seriously

  99. As I read this story I thought about the good old days of the maffia. You could count on the maffia to be honest and honorable. Now, the cops are the maffia and they have no code of honor.

    I feel deeply for all the men who have been so entrapped but did not have the benefit of direct witnesses to corroborate their story. Would it have helped if he had said: “I’m sorry officer, prostitution is illegal.”

    America is in a real sorry state these days. It will all become a lot worse once the depression strikes home and this kind of shenanigan will be the least of your concerns.

  100. @ kragshot:

    …” a bunch of gangsters”… In Chicago?! Hahaha, what year are we living in? 1929 or what?

  101. I believe it. I’ve had cops come totally unglued at me for no reason whatsoever on one occasion, and my brother had cops charging him with all sorts of dreamed up BS, hoping that at least one charge would stick. Of course everything was dropped re my brother.
    We all need dash-cams that send video to a secure location (not in the car). Seriously. Might even help if you have an accident, too.

  102. $25 for sex? That’s cheap…

  103. I work for a smaller police agency (+/-50 officers) on the west coast and for the most part this stuff doesn’t fly over here, we always read about stories like these and ask how, it pisses me off that they get away with this crap, if i pulled something like what happened here i’d be sitting my ass in jail. then i read all these posts about “Fuck the police!” I like to think that there are still good cops out there that raised their right hand and swore to uphold the constitution and laws of the state but when i read stuff like this it makes me wonder sometimes…

  104. Lesson of the story:
    – Never stop to help someone…
    Add to that:
    – If you are a male and you see a little kid alone crying, ignore it and mind your own business.
    We live in great times!

  105. no fucking way you americans are this stupid theres just no way :D!! I really feel sorry for you losers.

  106. That’s BS man. The way the article reads, you don’t have to say “YES” to a solicitation, they just offer it, and poof you’re in jail.

    If this is true the police should be in jail.

  107. I hope Erasmo Palacios gets good legal counsel and sues the city, their police department and individual police officers for millions.

    as purdue boy pointed out, that’s the whole basis of this story. it’s basically a rewrite of their lawyer’s claims. now, while there may well have been an outrage here and this may be the facts of the case, the fact that this is purely the spin of a lawyer looking to make $$$ ought to make one pause a bit before accepting it at face value.

    i’m surprised that a group of libertarians would be so willing to trust the word of a trial lawyer. cops lie, but attorneys are trained liars.

  108. Remember, USA is on a police state. You’re all free. Government loves you.

  109. Ah, the Chicago police–they just can’t seem to suck enough, can they?

    I really do think that we have much more to fear from brutal, incompetent, and more than occasionally malicious police departments than we do from global warming or terrorism. It’s getting harder and harder to distinguish the police from the “criminals”. What does this say about us as a society?

  110. I’m curious, LibertyPlease, how many encounters with LEOs you’ve had. Good cops (at least from a libertarian POV) seldom make news, and are rarely mentioned here at Reason, so basing your conclusions on that sample isn’t a good idea.

    – Speeding tickets
    – My vehicle broken into (2X), had assholes ignore my case
    – Some assholes I’ve known have become cops
    – A family member was a petty criminal when we were growing up, some of her petty criminal friends became cops
    – Did ride-alongs for a newspaper, watched former-petty-criminals/Cops harassing college students, and taking great pride in it
    Yes, anecdotes. But I don’t have a single good anecdote. I have some neutral anecdotes, but mostly bad ones.

    Harassment by law enforcement is fast becoming a regular part our lives. If you yourself are an agent of the state, well, then you’re privileged. The rest of us? Raising families, paying taxes, minding our own business? We are subject to being fucked with.

    Please show me the good cop. I’ve never seen him.

  111. God Bless America…

    …I want to hear more stories from your free world 😀

  112. To those people who are outraged by police behaviour:

    speak up. Contact Chicago Police Department (see http://www.chicagopolice.org/contact.asp ) and demand investigation of this incident. I did. Police has their own internal investigation unit, and this should be investigated. Stuff happens, there are bad apples, but what really matters is whether this is an exception or the norm. If exception, these officers should be investigated and charged.

    If people only vent up on websites, this will be the norm, and we will have this kind of police, this kind of Congress, and this kind of President. We need to speak up – and not only on blogs.

    Make a call.

  113. USA… you’re going NUTS.

  114. Edna says –

    as purdue boy pointed out, that’s the whole basis of this story. it’s basically a rewrite of their lawyer’s claims. now, while there may well have been an outrage here and this may be the facts of the case, the fact that this is purely the spin of a lawyer looking to make $$$ ought to make one pause a bit before accepting it at face value.

    i’m surprised that a group of libertarians would be so willing to trust the word of a trial lawyer. cops lie, but attorneys are trained liars.

    Let me spin it for you Edna:

    Fact 1 – man falsely arrested
    Fact 2 – man’s car confiscated
    Fact 3 – charges dropped from the arrest
    Fact 4 – city demands $4700 before they will return the car to the man who was falsely arrested

    It all seems fairly straightforward to me. But you’re not sure there’s an outrage here. How much more would you need to know before you would be sure there was unjust actions taken by the authorities?

    Now, assuming that the above four items are all true, isn’t outrage warranted? Do we have your permission not to “pause” if we assume the facts as presented to be true? Do you know of any other facts about these circumstances that would take one or more of these off the table? Do you know for a fact that their attorney’s comments are just mere “spin”? Why should it surprise you that libertarians are appalled about another apparent injustice perpetrated by the state?

    Bottom line, Edna, is that it’s a given that opinions might change in light of new facts or the revelation that other facts aren’t true. Your post wasn’t needed.

  115. With shit like this happening all the time is it any wonder they want to take all our guns away? Some people need to be strung up and shot plain and simple.

  116. I’d have banged that police officer prostitute.

    Gnngg….yeah….woooo!

    PARTY!

  117. The system working as intended… I was surprised the first time someone told me, if you see someone fall down in a sidewalk you are better off not helping them get up or you might be sued… I thought, nonsense… well, now I have seen and heard enough.

  118. This makes me angry. I hope that these stupid cops are held accountable and we can limit police powers and stop these outrageous entrapments.

  119. Those cops knew exactly what they were doing.

    They targeted a lower income family. They wanted the man’s car and they just took it. Police often used seized vehicles for their own personal use and believe never for a heartbeat do they care in the slightest for the people they have victimized. At the end of the day Chicago cops are a bunch of slimy crooks.

  120. I believe it. I’ve had cops come totally unglued at me for no reason whatsoever on one occasion, and my brother had cops charging him with all sorts of dreamed up BS, hoping that at least one charge would stick. Of course everything was dropped re my brother.
    We all need dash-cams that send video to a secure location (not in the car). Seriously. Might even help if you have an accident, too.

    You have basically described a situation that just happened in the St. Louis area.

  121. “They targeted a lower income family…”

    I really don’t think that’s the issue. The cops in Chicago target everyone.

  122. Op je rug schijten! Wat een kut land.

  123. How much more would you need to know before you would be sure there was unjust actions taken by the authorities?

    i’d want to see the assertions of the lawyers, which you have already accepted as factual, confirmed by someone who isn’t trying to make money from this. i wouldn’t believe just the police report, either; they also have reason to lie and a track record of doing so.

    to use an analogy that libertarians would understand:

    a republican says that his democratic opponent eats live puppies.

    the democrat says that the republican is skull-fucking roumanian orphans.

    which one do you believe?

  124. I can legally have sex with a stranger that I pick up in a bar for free. I can legally pay two people to have sex, tape it and sell it for profit. I can legally go into a porn parlor and jack off in a private booth legally. But I can’t pay a woman to have sex with me? How fucking ludicrous is that?

  125. Edna, quit digging… lol

  126. Wow, thats about a lame as the cop who arrested a McDonalds worker because his burger had too much salt on it. There is also a video out there of a cop accusing a McDonalds employee of giving him the wrong change back. He didn’t believer her or her boss when he checked and said she gave him the right change. The cop then came into mcdonalds and arrested her, all on camera. I wonder how cops accuse someone of something and abuse there power.
    thanks
    chris cator

  127. Edna, quit digging… lol

    i appreciate the substantive response.

  128. lesson learned , don’t help anyone. good job cops. solving alot of crime one step at a time.

  129. This is very messed up and points straight to entrapment the should sue the police in order to get the car back and one hell of a settlement.

  130. Chicago. Daly. Union thugs.

    That’s all you need to know.

  131. I hate Chicago. Every time I go there I see something bad happen. I think it can be at least partially explained away by this very kind of ridiculous entrapping LEO activity. People that live under this kind of gestapo iron fist are probably likely to do drastic things to try to get out or get even.

    This kind of law enforcement activity reminds me of the very kind of thing we used to hate about fascist governments and the iron fisted soviet block too. What has this country come to?

    Look out everybody, because the DHS may be on this very kind of roughshod tyranny next with no checks and ballances. We need to collectively take our Rights back NOW.

  132. ahhh we Americans, just so stupid. Why is that? like the question for miss teen usa. I know the answear…. ‘CAUSE WE ARE STUPID!! “i personal belive…… and she is getting famous for being stupid…

  133. can I go pick up the car for $4,800?

  134. $4700 / $20 = 225 blow jobs
    car or oral with wife watching…
    tough choice… tough

  135. they should at least drop the impound charges,

    “sorry about that, buy you still owe us 5k”

    that’s insane

  136. So many comments I agree with, but the ones I agree with most involve not stopping to help women. Ladies, this one should bother you most, because it’s incidents like this that prevent me from stopping for ANY female, with or without child. You’ll just have to fend for your selves from now on, and you have The Chitown PD to thank, in part.

  137. Better to own a firearm and have no police at all than to have these Keystone Kops protecting us. I have several friends in Chi area, but I refuse to go visit them just because of stupid laws and actions like these.

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