Actual Subhead: Will President Bush speak out against the treatment Miss USA received in Mexico?

Can America withstand an onslaught of aggressive beauty pageantry? Michelle Malkin says no:

On Monday night, the beautiful young woman who represented America in the Miss Universe pageant was booed and mocked as she competed on stage in Mexico City. Rachel Smith, 22, did her best to respond with grace and dignity during the top-five finalists' interview segment as the audience disrupted the event.

The verbal derision continued as judge Tony Romo asked Smith to pick one moment in her life she would relive.

Definitely not this one.

Smith soldiered through her answer, describing an educational trip to South Africa. Catcalls and whistles nearly drowned out Smith's reply until she wrapped up with "Buenos noches, Mexico."

I wouldn't have been so polite.

Will President Bush speak out against the treatment Miss USA received in Mexico? Will any amnesty peddler in Washington?

Verbal derision: the worst kind! The real villian in Malkin's telenovela is Donald Trump, who dared suggest that the reaction was rooted in opposition to immigration policy rather than deep-seated animus toward beauty queens from Tennessee.

Outside issues of our coming pageant-based foreign policy, the real question is: Isn't Miss USA in rehab? Apparently, the hard-drinking one is last year's Miss USA, who will presumably be attacked by roving bands of Mexicans as soon as they can track her down.

Comments

[bts]

"The real villian in Malkin's telenovela is Donald Trump, who dared suggest that the reaction was rooted in opposition to immigration policy rather than deep-seated animus toward beauty queens from Tennessee."

Please tell me that's a bad joke alluding to Malkin's moronic "Ron Paul hates America" position. Otherwise, she's even dumber than I thought possible. Of course it's about immigration! Or maybe the Mexicans just hate her for her freedoms. Riiiight...

[Shelby]

Well, it's not as though Mexico has ever lacked for grievances (real and imagined) against the US. I don't know why it would have to be limited to immigration-related anger this time.

[Jay Santos]

The lady was booed and mocked by beaners who are too stupid and lazy to become wetbacks. We are getting the cream and the sludge remains in the kleptocratic mire to jeer at beauty.

Feel sorry and superior to them.

NEXT!

[GM]

Oh, Jay Santos, don't hold back. Tell us how your REALLY feel.

[Single Issue Voter]

Beauty Pageant "blowback".
Maybe Donald Trump can explain it to Guliani.

I assume the audience for Miss Universe in Mexico City are the kleptocrats.

I wish our CIA was more Wild Bill Donovan and less Valerie Plame-Wilson then maybe we could engage in a little political re-alignment with concurrent wealth redistribution and fix the mess south of the border.

[Shelby]

SIV:

Yeah, because that's generally worked so well in the past.

[Grand Chalupa]

No wonder Democrats want as many Mexicans here as possible. They already hate America and will fit nicely into their party.

[Bazil]

This is actually quite funny. The whole thing. From the audience booing a "symbol", to Faux News considering the incident an international incident, to Michelle Malkin yet embarrassing herself by another tyrade the defies any sense or logic.

I'd comment, but why should I? I'll just get the pop corn, Michelle is my new Jerry Springer show; Human absurdity on display.

[Grand Chalupa]

And Mexico hating us must also be due to all the Jewish settlements we're supporting down there.

[edna]

oy, moishe, gib mir der burrito, boychick, ikh bin hungrig.

[mk]

The Mexicans are still sore because our national soccer team beat theirs.

The fact that 99.9% of the people in America don't even know or care that that happened makes it even more galling.

[Jack]

The nuttiest thing from Malkin's piece is where she slams the hosts for failing to come "to Smith's defense" despite being "fellow Americans".

[Wild Pegasus]

They hate us for our beauty.

- Josh

[smartass sob]

They hate us for our beauty.

They hate us because we live in the United States, while they live in what is, has been, and probably always will be, a shithole. They are simply envious.

[Timber Wolf]

hey MK. I didn't believe you because I didn't think there was a US male Soccer team. I Googled it, and yup, there is a "Mens National Team", who have whupped Mexico on US soil for 8 straight years (http://www.ussoccer.com/articles/viewArticle.jsp_281684.html)

It amazes me what people do in their spare time.

[Xenophun]

Why don't we just make Mexico the 51st State? Seems that would solve all the problems. Don't Yankees deride those Southern Hicks and vice versa? Mexico could become the new South.

[The Wine Commonsewer]

The real villian in Malkin's telenovela is Donald Trump, who dared suggest that the reaction was rooted in opposition to immigration policy....

Yeah, that's it.

Jesus Chrysler.

[The Wine Commonsewer]

The nuttiest thing from Malkin's piece is where she slams the hosts for failing to come "to Smith's defense" despite being "fellow Americans".

flip that around and make it Americans booing Ms Mexico and see how the dog hunts.

[thoreau]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the people risking dehydration to mow lawns are not the same people who can afford beauty pageant tickets.

No, wait, I'm not even gonna bother making a serious point about this. It's some goddamn booing at a fucking beauty pageant.

[The Wine Commonsewer]

...a fucking beauty pageant

TEE, if that were the case they wouldn't have been booing and the crowd would have been larger.

🙂

[The Wine Commonsewer]

Was that last joke a little too obscure?

[Steven Thomas]

How dare they stain the high office of Miss America! We might have to appeal this one all the way up to Mr. Universe.

[Dave]

I hope that the booing was in fact a "reaction to immigration policy", because then these retards would be essentially booing the fact that they have to live in Mexico.

[Jay Santos]

SIV: the euro-trash klepto's don't congregate in an audience. The booing masses are Bourgeois pigs enjoying their bread and circus. When all of the lower classes are in the US, they will tumble down the food chain. They boo at themselves, just like Malkin.

Twatreau: "Risking dehydration mowing lawns." WTF, over. Are you completely insane, fucknut? If you ever in your life actually worked side by side with Mexicans, you would know that they are smart enough to get shit done in the hot sun day in and day out while avoiding heat exhaustion.

That's right, those little, cute invisible men that cut your lawn are actually intelligent human beings, not moronic victims of white enslavement.

But no, you are a smart guy racist fuckwad. Now go suck your latte and don't spill it on your cool urban black outfit.

[dead_elvis]

Comment 1: I feel terrible for Miss USA, not about any booing, but because being on a stage and falling like that is any performer's worst nightmare. As silly as the whole thing is, in that world, it's horrible.

#2: IT'S A BEAUTY PAGEANT. WHY IS *ANYBODY* WATCHING!!?!?!? (It's like watching an old james bond movie; if you want tittilation, it's a little dated, not to mention over-made up and plasticised)

[Les]

Jay really got you with that one, Thoreau. You simply cannot argue with that kind of insight. Especially how he like totally fucked with your name. That was super-awesome!

[John C. Randolph]

Clearly the Mexicans don't want Trump spending his money in their country, and he should comply with their wishes. I'm sure there are plenty of other third-world countries that would be only too happy to mind their manners and host this multi-million dollar event next year.

-jcr

[eugene]

Jay Santos,
Stop being a jackass - you know what Thoreau was talking about. Oh you didn't? Well, let me clue you in: he was talking about the hundreds of people that die of dehydration every year crossing the border. Yes, even Mexicans can die of dehydration; who'd a thunk it!

[JKP]

As a Chicano (with all the extra "credibility" that gives me on this issue,) I call bullshit on any "grievance" that Mexicans dare nurse against the United States that date prior to 1950. There's no reason to encourage such immaturity.

[edna]

they're just upset because, unlike miss mexico, miss usa doesn't have a moustache. and she's not going to pack on an extra 80 pounds the moment a wedding ring is slipped on her finger. 20 maybe.

[Finkelstein]

Can't anyone admit that the booing was rude and she didn't deserve it?

[Fluffy]

To Michelle Malkin, getting booed at a beauty pageant is an injustice that gives you a grievance.

But getting imprisoned for years on the basis of your national ancestry is not an injustice at all, because you should just realize that it was the right thing to do.

Yeah, OK, Michelle.

[kohlrabi]

Finkelstein,

Took the words out of my mouth. What's more retarded than Michelle Malkin making a big deal about this? How about Mexicans thinking that Miss USA has anything to do with immigration policy.

[Chris S.]

Newsflash: People who attend beauty pageants are idiots and Michelle Malkin is an idiot. Yawn...

[thoreau]

Jay Santos-

I didn't write "Risking dehydration mowing lawns." I wrote "Risking dehydration to mow lawns." I was referring to the dangerous trip through the Arizona desert that most illegal immigrants have to make in order to come here and find work.

[joe]

"I wouldn't have been so polite." - Michelle Malkin

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Least Necessary Verbiage Contest is no longer taking entries.

[joe]

Did the dude who referred to Mexicans as "beaners who are too stupid and lazy to become wetbacks" just call someone a racist?

[VM]

joe | May 31, 2007, 9:27am | #
"I wouldn't have been so polite." - Michelle Malkin

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Least Necessary Verbiage Contest is no longer taking entries.

snicker! full marks! joe wins the golden merkin for this thread! He can collect his prize on the (Brazilian) landing strip.

[John]

Mexicans are generally insecure assholes when it comes to the U.S. Go to any social event with a lot of Mexican immigrants and the conversation will invariably go to how much they all hate the U.S. and how much better Mexico is. Of course they are all in the U.S. and wouldn't give up their greencards at gunpoint, but hey, it still the big evil Yankee.

Whether it be this non-sense or yelling "Osama" at soccer games, this is all about Mexico Mexicans and their failures and nothing about the U.S. When they say "I hate the U.S." what they are really saying is "I hate myself and my country and don't understand why the U.S. is such a better place and so much more successful."

[John]

One question. Americans cannot own land in Mexico or have any hope of obtaining citizenship there. At best they can come as "guest workers" or part time retirees. Mexico has much stricter immigration laws than the U.S.. Since the reasonoids seem to think it was okay for the Mexicans to boo this woman over U.S. policy, I suppose they think it is okay for Americans to do the same to the Ms. Mexico and also to cheer wildly if Mexico is ever the victim of a terrorist attack and laud the name of the perpetuator of that attack at sporting events? If not why not?

[thoreau]

John, there's a big difference between thinking that what the audience members did was perfectly fine behavior and thinking that a beauty pageant isn't worth giving one tenth of one shit over.

There's also a big difference between thinking that what the audience did was perfectly fine, and extrapolating from that audience to people desperately trying to leave the country that the audience comes from.

[Shannon Chamberlain]

The real question is, when is MeMe Roth going to appear on Fox, explaining that it's perfectly normal for 80lbs. women to fall down out of top heaviness or lightheadedness or whatever and that the fat Mexican bourgeoisie simply hates her for her thinness?

I'm trying to find a way to tie immigration and farm subsidies into this, but not succeeding.

[andy]

I don't know about y'all, but I like Mr. Santos here. Breath of fresh air. Or foul air. Either way, he's entertaining.

[KenK]

I can barely imagine the PC convulsions that would occor if there was any booing of a Mexican for speaking Spanish on a USA stage of any kind at any time.

It'd probably be declared a hate crime and the perpetrators sent off to rehab, if not prison.

[KenK]

" Americans cannot own land in Mexico or have any hope of obtaining citizenship there."

What? You looking for fairness, or reprococity, or even just a bit of common sense? Better luck waiting for the Easter Bunny.

I just wish we could import some of the border guards that Mexico uses to guard IT'S southern border. To, you know, do the job that Bush doesn't want to do - ACTUALLY GUARD THE BORDER!!!!!!

[John]

But Thoreau it is more than just a beauty pagent. If you don't know that Mexicans both here and in Mexico are often very anti-American, you haven't been around too many Mexicans. The inferiority complex Mexicans have with America is no small thing. Further, if it had been Americans booing the Ms. Mexico, my guess is that many people who are now saying "it is not worth giving a shit" would be up in arms. In addition to being hypocritical, that double standard shows how much Americans really do look down on Mexicans. It is as if Mexicans are just spoiled children not to be held to the same standard as real adults.

Also, don't give me the "desparate to get out of their country" BS. Mexico is not Somalia. They are desparate to come to the U.S. and get U.S. wages and U.S. social servicess. The influx of migration is about the attraction of this country more than the desparation of Mexico. If they all had to go back home and couldn't come to the U.S. anymore, they wouldn't starve or get sent to gulag. Moreover, they might even bother to fix their country a little bit. You never know.

[thoreau]

Also, don't give me the "desparate to get out of their country" BS.

I dunno, John. I mean, I put a lot of effort into hunting for a faculty job, but I didn't pay somebody to help me navigate a potentially deadly landscape just so I could teach physics.

I'd say that "desperate" is a pretty good description.

[KenK]

"If they all had to go back home and couldn't come to the U.S. anymore, they wouldn't starve or get sent to gulag. Moreover, they might even bother to fix their country a little bit. You never know."

Smells like the dreaded "personal responsibility" meme - and on a national level no less! Fix their own country? You must be mad! The USA owes them a whole new country. In fact we would just switch countries with them if we nice.

[John]

My only point Thoreau is that denying Mexicans entry into this country is not the same as denying real refugees from places like Somalia or Nazi Germany entry. Mexican immigration is not life or death it is strictly a cash money issue on both sides of the border.

[thoreau]

John, I wasn't trying to argue the general immigration issue here. I was trying to point out that it's a bad idea to extrapolate from a beauty pageant audience over there to people seeking work over here.

And I stand by the adjective "desperate" for people who will take great risks for low pay. And I think their desperation might be a telling indicator of the difference between them and the people who bought tickets to a beauty pageant.

Indeed, if the people booing were indeed motivated by immigration policy, aren't they basically saying "Please, take them off our hands!"? Which would be another indicator of the differences between the people who bought tickets to a beauty pageant and the people taking great risks for low-paying jobs.

There may be good arguments against letting the risk-takers come here in large numbers to work those jobs, or there may not be. In either case, they are quite distinct from the people at the beauty pageant.

[eugene]

whoo, the freepers are out in force on this thread!

[Ken]

"In either case, they are quite distinct from the people at the beauty pageant."

Yeah, "they" are in the USA carrying Mexican flags as they march to demand amnesty for their crimes.

[Mr. F. Le Mur]

...to the dangerous trip through the Arizona desert that most illegal immigrants...

Currently, out of 1 to 3 million crossing each year, about about 500 die (includes car accidents, murder by 'coyotes,' etc), for a death rate of 1 per 2,000 to 6,000, probably the latter. The US risk of dying in a car accident is 1 in 7,700 people per year for the total population (hazmat.dot.gov); therefore crossing the desert is not significantly more dangerous than a year's worth of typical US car travel, and a LOT less dangerous than driving a taxi for a year.

...have to make in order to come here and find work.
"Choose to make" - because it's actually not very dangerous.

I'm trying to find a way to tie immigration and farm subsidies into this, but not succeeding.
T. Sowell ties illegal immigration to farm subsidies, but doesn't tie either to the beauty pagent, as far as I've heard.

Whether it be this non-sense or yelling "Osama" at soccer games, this is all about Mexico Mexicans[?] and their failures and nothing about the U.S.
"The soccer match between Mexico and Portugal will determine once and for all, which nation is the greatest on Earth." - The Simpsons

[Dave]

Ken K-

You're right, we could just switch countries. In 20 years, everyone would be fighting to get south or the border while the USA crumbled under corruption. The best part is, everybody knows it's true.

Or we could look at South Africa vs the rest of Africa, Rhodesia before and after 1980, North Korea vs South Korea, etc, to figure out that maybe it's not about what piece of dirt you're standing on. I know Jared Diamond isn't comfortable with that idea, but it's true.

[Dave]

Can't you just imagine? "Gringo Mexico has an unfair advantage. Up here in El Norte Aztlan, we have to deal with all sorts of harsh weather and a shorter growing season, while they live in a lush warm tropical paradise. No wonder we are poor and they are rich"

[jb]

Dave: You're right. It's not race, though, it's socialism and envy. Put the envious in charge and they will put socialists in power; Put socialists in power and they will be corrupt; Have a corrupt country and it becomes an impoverished shithole.

[DA]

Yes, a beauty pagaent is, in itself, basically a non-event.

But imagine a Mexican performer getting booed off the stage in Tennessee with a raucous audience chanting "USA! USA!" The national and international media would go into convulsions pouncing on the bigoted, jingoistic Yanks.

[thoreau]

But imagine a Mexican performer getting booed off the stage in Tennessee with a raucous audience chanting "USA! USA!" The national and international media would go into convulsions pouncing on the bigoted, jingoistic Yanks.

Are you trying to use that hypothetical to argue that it's "fair" to extrapolate from a beauty pageant audience to a larger population?

You might wanna rethink your hypothetical.

[DA]

Who's the "larger population"?

The hypothetical assumes: A similar sized beauty pagaent in Tennessee, a similar sized audience, a similar boorish reaction, and the same media (with the hypothesis being, would the media coverage and reaction be different).

Where's the "extrapolation"?

[Stevo Darkly]

Now, now. The important thing in all this is not international relations or "evening the score." The important thing is that someone needs to comfort Miss USA and make her feel better. Or at least help get her mind off this. I volunteer for this duty. Bonus: While dressed as a pirate.

[DA]

A bit of a case in point...

"And who can blame them for booing a person who didn't bother to speak the language of the nation she was visiting?" - Zay Smith, Chicago Sun-Times columnist.

So, it would a-okay with Zay if an American audience booed and heckled a Chinese Oscar winner off the stage because he gave his short thank-you speech in Chinese?

Of course not. Different rules.

[thoreau]

Stevo Darkly wins at the internet yet again, for finding a way to make this thread fun!

[D.A. Ridgely]

It's all a terrible misunderstanding. If only someone had warned her not to use ping pong balls or a donkey for the talent portion...

[Dave]

JB-
I didn't imply that race was a factor. That's one reason why I think North and South Korea are such great examples. Same history, language, race, geography, same everything, except politics/economics.

[Jay Santos]

Yeah, thoretical physic, they get dehydrated xing the border to cut lawns. I get it. You are still a racist egghead thinking they come for low paying jobs. If you ever left the shinning city on the hill, you might notice how Mexicans are buying houses and starting businesses.

What attracts the little brown people that you like to pat on the head is the relatively libertarian environment of the USA. The pigs they left behind are just like the lazy, inbred, stupid euro-trash fascists that did not have the balls to leave their feudal lords over in GB, Fr, Ger, etc.

Race is a factor. Mexico is run primarily by the descendants of the last caliphite. Senior Fox looks like a cousin of Sadaam Housein. Thank god they are catholics, otherwise, they would be suicide bombers instead of whining bitches who boo beauty queens and pretend to be white.

[Crusader Rabbit]

Americans cannot own land in Mexico or have any hope of obtaining citizenship there.

Don't want to get too serious on this rollicking good time thread, but that's wrong. US citizens can own property in Mexico except within a specified zone (I think it's 3 miles) along the coast line. In fact, there are communities springing up of US expats building houses and living there. (One of them is Miguel de Allende, in the mountains about a hundred miles north of Mexico City, which advertises homesites on the Internet.)

And, even though I've never watched a beauty pagent in my life, in the clips I saw of Miss USA's fall (and quick recovery) I thought she showed a lot of class.

[thoreau]

Jay, I apologize for my comment about low paying jobs. I'm well aware that not all (quite possibly not even most) Mexican immigrants are working low-paying jobs. But since this thread seemed to be attracting people who are all pissed off over illegal immigrants, and since illegal immigrants are more likely to work low-paying jobs (since their employment opportunities are restricted by senseless laws), I focused on that category. I was trying to suggest that the people getting pissed off in this thread shouldn't generalize from the jeering crowd in Mexico City to the immigrants (illegal or otherwise) that they [certain Hit and Run posters] generally complain about.

Also, I'm well aware that most immigrants are attracted to our comparatively free market and innovation-friendly atmosphere. I have frequently made these points in other threads. Thank you for stating those points so well in this thread.

[J. Hollingsworth Reese-Withers]

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Bright and early, old bean! Bright and early!

Those aren't castanets you hear, lad -- this is the sound of opportunity knocking!!!