Cindy Sheehan, Ex-Democrat

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Well, it's sort of a Memorial Day story—Cindy Sheehan has up and quit the Democratic Party.

Congratulations Congress, you have bought yourself a few more months of an illegal and immoral bloodbath. And you know you mean to continue it indefinitely so "other presidents" can solve the horrid problem BushCo forced our world into.

It used to be George Bush's war. You could have ended it honorably. Now it is yours and you all will descend into calumnious history with BushCo.

The Camp Casey Peace Institute is calling all citizens who are as disgusted as we are with you all to join us in Philadelphia on July 4th to try and figure a way out of this "two" party system that is bought and paid for by the war machine which has a stranglehold on every aspect of our lives. As for myself, I am leaving the Democratic Party. You have completely failed those who put you in power to change the direction our country is heading. We did not elect you to help sink our ship of state but to guide it to safe harbor.

Philadelphia's arguably a better place to start a new third party than Gary, Indiana where Amiri Baraka and co. tried to launch the National Black Political Party, 35 years ago. But I'd bet this effort gets even less traction. The Democratic Party of 1972 contained a huge black base that had only entered the party en masse eight years earlier, fleeing from the pitchforks (real or imagined) of the Goldwaterites, and it contained a shrinking Dixiecrat wing that included George Wallace, Lester Maddox, and millions of Southern conservatives. The Democratic Party of 2007 contains an anti-Iraq War wing, which includes almost all living Democrats, and a pro-Iraq War wing, which includes Michael Totten, the ghost of Scoop Jackson, and a third or so of The New Republic's editorial staff. (Joe Lieberman doesn't count as he—ever hilariously—represents the Connecticut for Lieberman Party.) Seven years on from Ralph Nader, anti-war liberals simply aren't going to abandon the Democratic Party.

Reason's articles and blog posts on Sheehan here; articles about third parties here.

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  1. Gary, Indiana is always my go-to town I use when describing a shitty city.
    “Miami is bad, but at least it’s not Gary, Indiana”
    “I’m going to kick your ass and then mail you to Gary Indiana”

  2. And fuck Sheehan. Her only use is to act as a strawman argument for the pro-war supporters, painting doves as being irrational psychos who may or may not of slept with Lou Rockwell.

    If the dems ever get success, it won’t be because of her and her types.

  3. At the moment, I’d have to call this an overwhelming positive for the dems.

    That could change, however, if anyone takes her seriously.

  4. Again, just for clarification, I’m not Jon H.

  5. Im sure the Dems wwilld miss her about as much as the Libertarians would miss the blue guy from Montana.

  6. Because the Democrats just have no power over the purse … they couldn’t possibly do something as radical as do nothing at all after Bush vetoed the war spending bill, and let the folks in the White House slowly realize that bill was the only money that was forthcoming.

    Oh, right, it’s a replay of the Republican shutdown of the government in the 90’s, when campaign promises ran up against the reality of statist public opinion, and all the campaign promises got chucked overboard tout suite.

  7. This is the Dem Prez candidates are desperately pandering to antiwar crowd even though none of the adults in the party are seriously contemplating leaving Iraq before we can be sure it won’t mean an AQ mini-state in Sunni Iraq: they can’t afford to lose their White Flaggers.

  8. Who knew she was a Democrat? I would have figured RCP.

  9. Cindy Sheehan has always typified the Democrat anti-warrior to me: loudly anti-war only after it started to go badly for them, before then either pro-war or tepidly anti-war.

    Any third party she creates will consist of her and the half dozen left-leaners who still think principle trumps electability after the 2000 election.

    Besides, anti-war is a big word. I doubt she’ll be much of a draw for people who are agitating for “humanitarian intervention” in Darfur.

  10. Cindy Sheehan leaving is one thing.

    The Democrats pussying out on what is arguably one the the few reasons anybody actually voted FOR them (as opposed to voting against a Republican) is quite another.

    My point is, Sheehan’s declaration is a weathervane of other current (perhaps soon to be former) democrats dissatisfaction with the party.

    I think there are a lot of people who voted for Dems – or even against Republicans – who are lookng at the current Democratic senate and congress and saying, “Jesus…what a bunch of pussies…I’d rather have a corrupt but strong Republican than a pussy Democrat.”

    Personally, I’ve never been more disgusted with a political party than I am with the Democrats. And I have no special love for Republicans. I was happy to see the various conservative sons-of-bitches lose this past go-round. Now I can’t wait for the public to vote these sad scumfucks out the next go-round.

    Bush, Reid and Pelosi are the trifecta of bad governance. Sad, venal and without a sincere care over what their decisions actually translate to.

    If this is what America is about, we are truly in our waning days. If this is what we can expect from our leaders, we deserve what ever happens to us.

  11. “Again, just for clarification, I’m not Jon H.”

    But my paperwork is pending in the courts. Ha Ha Ha! Any day now, I, too, shall be Jonathan Hohensee!

  12. I still say the Dems should crank up the top tax rate every week/month/quarter (whatevs) until we’re out, with the end rate in force for at least five years.

    Give Bush his shitty little war, but make his base pay for it, dearly.

  13. Sheehan became irrelevant the moment the majority of the US turned against the war.

  14. I still say the Dems should crank up the top tax rate every week/month/quarter (whatevs) until we’re out, with the end rate in force for at least five years.

    Give Bush his shitty little war, but make his base pay for it, dearly.

    This atittude is why the Dem’s didn’t end the war. For them, increasing their budgets is more important that ending the war.

  15. “BushCo?”

    Zzzzzz…

  16. Well, this has got to be the luckiest break the democrats have had in a long time. Now, if they could just get that “kos” punk to fuck off to the green party, they’d be in pretty good shape.

    -jcr

  17. Dave, shouldn’t that be Democrat party? Was LBJ the last Democtat to say this correctly correctly?

    Sheehan has created the perfict opportunity for James Earl Carter III to run for office again. They seem to agree on everything, but Carter flipflops more.

    Actually, many parts of Carter’s domestic policy and all of his foreign policy could pull Ron Paul from the Republicans to the Sheehanites. Might get Dennis Kucinich too.

  18. ack, sorry to double correctly up there

  19. In other celebrity news, Charles Nelson Reiley has died at the age of 78. His greatest role, of course, was as the “Top Hat” in Lidsville. He was also one of the greatest celebrity game show contestants in the USA, second only to Paul (Edward) Lynde, of course.

  20. ack, sorry to double correctly up there

    Hell, I spent a full minute trying to figure out the joke I missed. Then again, it’s early and I spent some quality time with Uncle Mike yesterday afternoon.

    Now, if they could just get that “kos” punk to fuck off to the green party, they’d be in pretty good shape.

    Good call.

    His greatest role, of course, was as the “Top Hat” in Lidsville.

    Damn, Lidsville..somewhere in the dark recesses of my balding head there is a spark of recognition at some kind of song that concluded “everyone who goes to Lidsville really flips his lid” or something. That’s all I got.

    Ok, on to the original article.

    Sheehan was useful to Dems as a cattle prod, but it got turned back on them, and was used as a cattle prod on them. This can only be good news.

  21. In other celebrity news, Charles Nelson Reiley has died at the age of 78.

    And it was a sad day when CNR broke away from the Match Game ’79 to form his own fill-in-the-blank game show. Gene Rayburn never forgave him for that betrayal.

    One gay joke gone wrong on Rayburn’s part….If only Brett Somers had joined Reiley, he might have stood a chance. Richard Dawson had too much sway over her.

    And besides, he’ll always be the Dirty Bubble to me, not Top Hat.

  22. Don’t let the screen door hit you in the ass, babe.

  23. No no no. Charles Nelson Reilly’s best role was as the realtor Claymore Gregg on “The Ghost and Mrs. Muir.”

    As for Sheehan — the horrid problem BushCo forced our world into — Is she LoneWacko?

  24. “The Democratic Party of 1972 contained a huge black base that had only entered the party en masse eight years earlier, fleeing from the pitchforks (real or imagined) of the Goldwaterites ….”

    Obviously, no one is indignant about this but me, but Barry Goldwater was a fervent foe of the civil rights movement. He never gave a damn about the oppression of the blacks in the South, but fought valiantly for the right of businesses to exclude blacks. In many ways, Barry was the ultimate country-club Republican–the whole point of a “club,” after all, is to exclude those who don’t belong.

  25. Correction: Reiley died at the age of 76

    AV,

    Obviously, no one is indignant about this but me, but Barry Goldwater was a fervent foe of the civil rights movement. He never gave a damn about the oppression of the blacks in the South, but fought valiantly for the right of businesses to exclude blacks. In many ways, Barry was the ultimate country-club Republican–the whole point of a “club,” after all, is to exclude those who don’t belong.

    As evidenced by his desegregation of the Arizona Air National Guard before the USAF was desegregated, right?

    His opposition to the accomodations clause of the Civil Rights Act was out of a respect for property rights.

  26. Did anyone really believe that the Democrats were going to stop the war in Iraq, and bring the troops home?

    If you vote Democrat, you vote for the war in Iraq. You can’t be anti-Iraq War, and be pro-Democrat and more than you can be anti-Iraq War and be pro Republican.

  27. So, according to Reason readers, “Pro-War Democrats = Good, anti-war Dems, please leave party?”

    I am confused.

  28. And what sane person can actually believe that the Democrats oppose the war? Maybe in shallow rhetoric, but not in votes/action.

  29. I didn’t realize Cindy Sheehan was still around.

    She has a good heart, but her politics are incredibly naive.

  30. “And what sane person can actually believe that the Democrats oppose the war?”

    The ones who watched them pass a bill mandating the end of the war a few weeks ago – the one that passed with nearly 100% support from the Democrats, which Bush vetoed.

    I don’t like the fact that they kicked the can down the road a few months, either, but if you shoot at the king, you need to kill him.

  31. The Camp Casey Peace Institute is calling all citizens who are as disgusted as we are with you all…

    ??

    “as disgusted as we are with you all?”

    hell of an invite.

    the “BushCo” ref reminds me of TLB. shrieking goofs use the same lingo.

  32. “And what sane person can actually believe that the Democrats oppose the war?”

    The ones who watched them pass a bill mandating the end of the war a few weeks ago – the one that passed with nearly 100% support from the Democrats, which Bush vetoed.

    joe, that bill was cynical, symbolic grandstanding. Even before it got out of committee everyone knew the Prez was going to veto it. Congress even went through the motions of trying for a Congressional override that they knew would fail. It was a swipe at Bush and a chance to show that they’re doing something, not an actual attempt at accomplishing anything.

    So much for the end of bipartisanship.

  33. Hugh,

    Well, one option would be to continue to pass the bill until the President signs it.

  34. Wow, I never realized how far-out DailyKos is until I read some of the comments on Sheehan’s thread.

    One guy actually thinks “BushCo” will declare martial law.

  35. Does she really need to come to my city to start her little club?

  36. joe, that bill was cynical, symbolic grandstanding. Even before it got out of committee everyone knew the Prez was going to veto it.

    So, what exactly could congressional Democrats have done that would not count as “grandstanding”? After all, Bush will veto any bill that tries to end, or even shorten, the war.

  37. Congress could have kept passing the same bill, knowing that eventually the current funding will run out and then Bush will have no choice but to play ball with them.

  38. I dunno, thoreau, as long as Bush has the Iraq invasion authorization in one hand and his desire for a legacy as a persistent do-gooder (if not a successful nation-builder) in the other, the chances of him meeting seriously with the Dems is pretty slim.

    What Democrats could do is work with Congressional Republicans who (especially those with an eye toward re-election) are starting to sour on Iraq. Instead of seeing the Republicans as a monolithic Bushie antagonist, Dems could appeal to Republican sensibilites and draft a compromise bill that could override a veto.

  39. Yes, the Democrats (and moderate Republicans) that many of us hoped would expedite bringing our brave men and women home blinked first. There are many reasons for this, I am sure. Hundreds of our soldiers will likely pay the price for this with their lives, and thousands more with their maimed bodies. But even Cindy can’t expect many of us to look at the other side and abandon the only party with a reasonable chance to eventually get us out of Bush’s War and bring our troops home. Far better to concentrate on forging a veto-proof coalition than to tear the party to bits at the cost of even more of our sons and daughters. The fight continues, and there will be another vote.

  40. I think the real battle for Iraq funding starts later this summer.

    By then, if the Surge is to have any success, it will have shown results. Furthermore, with the Surge nearing its peak, even the status quo will be hard to defend by that time.

  41. Hugh,

    The bill the Democrats wrote themselves, that they almost all voted for, and that would have imposed what they’ve been talking about doing for months is “grandstanding,” but the bill they got logrolled into passing after their original bill got vetoed is a window into their truest souls? That doesn’t even begin to make sense.

    thoreau,

    “Congress could have kept passing the same bill, knowing that eventually the current funding will run out and then Bush will have no choice but to play ball with them.”

    Certainly my preferred course of action, but they seem to be saving that battle for the next go ’round. Either the “September Republicans” flip like they’ve been saying, and the Democrats get to claim bipartisan backing this fall, or they don’t, and their public backing expands enough to overcome the fundamental cowardice that infects the moderate-to-conservative wing of the party whenever the Republicans make patriotic noises.

    Personally, I think public opposition to the war right now is strong enough for the Democrats to ram a cutoff down the Republicans’ throats without paying much of a political price; but then again, I never became Senate Majority Leader.

  42. Cindy’s nuts. The Democrats did all that was politically feasible. They do not have the power to override Bush’s veto. It was the GOP that blocked their efforts. Is this gonna be like the drug war, where libertarians say “a pox on both their houses” because some folks from one house voted with virtually the ENTIRE other house who was pushing for x like a bat outta hell? The Drug War is a GOP baby, so is Iraq. Some Democrats went along with both, but it was the GOP who pushed for it and voted for it as a block, and it is only Democrats who have seriously tried to hamstring both at any time. The GOP uses libertarians for big suckas and would love for you to think the two parties are equivalent here.

  43. Ken-

    Careful, you might bring out “Single Issue Voter” who will tell you the drug war is the brain child of FDR and Tip O’Neil.

  44. So, what exactly could congressional Democrats have done that would not count as “grandstanding”? After all, Bush will veto any bill that tries to end, or even shorten, the war.

    They could refuse to fund the war. Bush needs the Democrats to OK a budget that allocates spending for the war. No money, no war.

    Of course, the Democrats were too eager to get their pork barrel spending… a budget fight with the Republicans and Bush would mean it would take that much longer to get Homeland Security money to buy their statehouse a new gym for lawmakers.

    The democrats know that people like you or joe would give them a free pass if they failed to stop the war… but the people who need their pork would not be as forgiving.

  45. The GOP uses libertarians for big suckas and would love for you to think the two parties are equivalent here.

    How are Libertarians getting played as “big suckas” by the GOP? Because they don’t vote for Democrats?

    NOT voting for a Democrat does not mean that we vote for Republicans. I assume most libertarians either vote Libertarian, or don’t bother to vote.

    BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans 100% support the Iraq war in their actual policy. Everyone who supports the Democratic party supports the Iraq War.

    I voted for a party that 100% opposed the Iraq War, before, during, and after. You voted for a party that 100% supported the Iraq war, before, during, and 80% supports it now. Don’t try to blame a political party that is totally against the war because your political party totally sold you guys out.

  46. Cesar,

    “Careful, you might bring out “Single Issue Voter” who will tell you the drug war is the brain child of FDR and Tip O’Neil.”

    And you are saying it isn’t?

    Please show me how the GOP has been more supportive of the Drug War than the Democrats.
    While you are at it show us how Drug Prohibition did not originate as a “progressive” cause.
    The only limitation I request is that you not re-register the pantheon of liberal progressive drug warriors as Republicans post-mortem.

  47. SIV-

    I agree with you (and I think you make a good case) that early drug prohibition originated out of the Progressive movement.

    Marijuana prohibition was passed by a Democratic-controlled congress, true. But we don’t know how many of the votes in favor came from old southern conservative Dems.

    But in the last 30 years, the Drug War has been more of a Republican affair. Hell, it was Nixon who declared “war” on drugs, and it was Carter who was moving toward the de-criminalization of marijuana until Reagan was elected.

    And it took Ronald Reagan to really create the Drug War as we know it. And yes, the Congress that passed the Reagan drug laws was Democratic-controlled. But again, I don’t know how many of those Dems were blue-dogs (which still existed in the 80s).

    I think its fair to blame the origins of prohibition on the left, but since the 1960s at least its been the right who has expanded it.

  48. Cesar,

    History lessons……….

    Actually LBJ and a Democrat Congress ramped up prohibition in ’66 when LSD and other legal psychedelics were outlawed.Nixon passed his drug war with a Democrat Congress and in the “progressive” tradition created a whole new Federal bureaucracy (DEA) to deal with it.

    As a weed smoking teenager during the Carter Presidency I distinctly remember him running on a decrim position and culturally drugs were wide open in the late 70s.After a scandal with his advisor, Dr Peter Bourne (who advocated legalisation of cocaine!)- involving excessive ‘lude scripts for White House staff, Carter turned hawk in the drug war. He carried out a policy of spraying Colombian reefer with paraquat- an herbicide believed at the time to be deadly toxic to smokers.By the late 70s Jimmy Carter was “History’s Greatest Monster” to High Times magazine and politically aware stoners.
    Reagan’s Drug War was initially a bully-pulpit kinda thing until the Death of Len Bias when everyone, led by Tip O’Neil, tried to outdo each other in draconian penalties.

    As for any liberal/leftist tendencies towards ending prohibition- where are the retired “elder statesmen” advocating it?
    On the Right as relieved of political pressures they follow their libertarian leanings.
    James Baker and George Schulz are two examples.

  49. SIV-

    Mainstream Dems are undoubtedly for the drug war (at least publically), but there are leftist ones (Dennis Kucinich) who support ending the drug war, and the Green Party–a far-left organization–supports its end, as well.

  50. “Jon C Jackson says: And what sane person can actually believe that the Democrats oppose the war? Maybe in shallow rhetoric, but not in votes/action.”

    Ummm, somewhat over half those who showed up at the polls, apparently. Unless you define insanity as “electing Republicrat statists election after election and expecting different results this time.”

  51. Bill Clinton “advocated” for legalizing the devil weed on his way out the door.

    Barney Frank sponsors bills for medical marijuana.

    Let’s face reality here – the Republicans will shout “Party of Acid,” again, like they spent the 70s doing, at any Democratic proposal to even marginally reduce the scope of the drug war, so no Democrats bother. That’s how partisan politics relate to the drug war.

  52. Cesar,

    I know what you refer to and have my doubts about it. Leftist drug policy reformers are of the “treatment not incarceration” school and if that treatment is less than voluntary we haven’t gotten anywhere, ideologically speaking. Their intentions maybe good ,( road to Hell pavement etc) and their policies couldn’t be worse than what we have now
    but I would not describe their position as “legalization” or an end to prohibition.
    Drug prohibition is a property rights issue and
    lefty progressives tend to be hostile to the concept.Move beyond the psychoactive or “recreational” drugs and what do they have to say about non – FDA approved drugs and the free access of citizens t0 therapeutic drugs without prescription. (Ask your lefty stoner sports fan buddies about legal steroids).

    Republicans and Democrats are about equally bad
    on the drug issue but there is one difference.
    American Conservatism has….(brace yourselves for the outrage) a libertarian tradition in ideology. They respect individual liberty and property rights more- at least in rhetoric and thought.

    The progressive tradition is one of saving people from themselves, experts know what is best for you, and attempting to legislate outcomes.Progressives will pass laws for such things as stabilising the weather-global warming, making cars more fuel efficent-CAFE standards, and making people not take the wrong medicine in the wrong dose for the wrong reason.

  53. Hey Cindy,

    Your kid volunteered.

  54. joe,

    “Bill Clinton “advocated” for legalizing the devil weed on his way out the door.”

    Excellent timing! I have my doubts though….
    qoute/citation please.

    I remember at the time there was hope/talk of his pardoning some of the more egregious mandatory minimum defendants.The SOB would have earned my grudging respect, instead we got Marc Rich and other poor unfortunate victims off the hook.

  55. joe,

    So you are saying the Republicans are more courageous? Party of killing the poor and elderly
    didn’t stop them from welfare reform.

    The tradition of progressive nanny State collectivism in the Democrat party does not suggest any tendencey toward ending prohibition- just more laws, more bureacracies, more public moneys and perhaps calling prisons “treatment facilities”.

  56. SIV was certianly emotionally scarred when Carter “betrayed” him, because it has blurred his ability to sort out reality. Nixon actively declared a War on Drugs, he talked about it quite a bit. Carter advocated decrim but then backed down from it when criticized. This is equivalency how????
    “Reagan’s Drug War was initially a bully-pulpit kinda thing until the Death of Len Bias when everyone, led by Tip O’Neil, tried to outdo each other in draconian penalties.”
    OK, SIV, what were the votes, by party, on these laws? Which party porportionally supported the laws the most?
    I’ve read quite a bit of scholarly biographies on Anslinger. He may have been a “Progressive” in the sense that back then he was for professionalizing his administration techniques/advocating Good Government (this often was what was meant by “Progressive”, it acquired its equivalency with “leftism” later with the WWII Progressive Party). But he was actually a very “Conservative” man, a religious and social authoritarian, which today we call a “Republican” or “Conservative.” Heck, J.Edgar Hoover was called a Progressive in his day (for his professionalization of the FBI), but does any sane man think he was anything other than a conservative? The meanings of words change, when Michael Jackson says you’re bad he ain’t insulting you…
    “Leftist drug policy reformers are of the “treatment not incarceration” school and if that treatment is less than voluntary we haven’t gotten anywhere, ideologically speaking.”
    Thats way progress if you ask me, mandating treatment vs. 30 year mandatory minimums? No contest.

  57. Just started googling to shut up SIV’s Big Lie (won’t take long to find the roll call votes I should imagine, want to back down before I do?). Found this quickly, from our own R. Balko’s The Agitator.
    http://www.theagitator.com/archives/026710.php
    Here are some good parts:
    “We need to get out front on this now. This week. Today. The Republicans beat us to it in 1984 and I don’t want that to happen again. I want dramatic new initiatives for dealing with crack and other drugs. If we can do this fast enough, he said to the Democratic leadership arrayed around him, we can take the issue away from the White House.”
    Thats Tip. As Joe noted he was trying to keep the GOP from doing its usual authoritarian run on the drug issue. They had been putting it on the Dems anytime any of them adovcated sensible drug reform, and yes, many of them tried to protect their flank. This is equivalency how? More of the GOP’s frothing at the mouth anti-drug stance, which yes often puts political pressure on the Dems to “do something” themselves. But how is this equivalency? It’s like when my step kids fight. One urges I throw the book at the other (the GOP) and after enough criticizing I pick some lesser punishment (the Dems) and the 1st one walks away accusing me of being soft…
    “Paula Hawkins, the Republican of Florida, rose on the House floor to accuse the Washington Post of treason in the War on Drugs. She cited the Post’s “sustained attack” on the administration’s Drug War, its “extensive coverage of the ACLU’s opposition to drug testing,” the “bad press” it gave the “tough but successful drug treatment program operated by Straight, Inc.” and its habit of letting “long-time advocates of illicit drug use” publish essays on the op-ed page. The real problem, she implied, is the First Amendment.”

  58. The Democrats are better off without Sheehan,
    and now if Franken and Moore would only go.

    July 4th, Philly…sounds like symbolism…

    Are Libertarians going to Philly to take over?

  59. David,

    The Democratic Party of 1972 contained a huge black base that had only entered the party en masse eight years earlier.

    Actually, black support for the Democratic Party dates from the 1930s and FDR. Goldwater was the irrecoverable blow, but even before it the GOP had not gotten a majority of black votes in decades.

  60. “SIV’s Big Lie”

    So did you find the part where more Dems than Republicans voted for the draconian drug laws in the 1980s?

    And what is this praise of advocating a position and then backing down when it proves politically problematic? I suppose you think it is somehow “better” that Carter’s Drug Czar Dr Peter Bourne was a cokehead while he lead the bureacracy that enforced prohibition?

  61. Hey Ken,

    Found those rollcall votes yet?

  62. Still looking, you’re spanking is coming.

  63. While you are in there on the intartubes see if you can find the rollcall on the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937.

    Maybe a facsimile of the bill with FDR’s John Hancock on it too.

    I wouldn’t be suprised if it was a voice vote on the 80s stuff.

  64. Two senators voted against the 1986 bill, 16 Reps. Haven’t found which ones yet, but I’ll still bet there were more Dems than GOPs. The Library of Congress will be open 2morrow and I can get the reference person to tell me how to make their service tell who voted on what. I did find that Dole was the co-sponsor in the Senate, and of course Reagan signed it.
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d099:HR05484:@@@R|TOM:/bss/d099query.html|
    Try clicking on the Record Vote 302 link, thats our great government at work…

  65. Dole was the sponsor, there were 29 co-sponsors.

  66. Ken

    “Two senators voted against the 1986 bill, 16 Reps”

    Whether they were ‘Rats or Repukes isn’t going to tell us much. I’ll bet they were voting against some other provision of the bill-or if it was the drugs because they had a baking soda mine back in the home district and were upset there was no federal subsidy to offset any declines in demand from crack manufacturing.

  67. More on Peter Bourne……
    (Jimmy Carter’s Drug Czar)
    “Peter Bourne was never one to mince words. From the beginning he pooh-pahed
    outright grass legalization. What he did favor was cocaine liberalization. It
    could best be controlled, he told one interviewer, by “making it so expensive
    it would be restricted to very rich people.”

    Heh heh that one isn’t in his official bio but I remember it from back in the day. Fucking elitist asshole.

    President Carter had the first Drug Czar, if I recall correctly, and he was a coke snortin’ script doctor. Sorta makes William Bennet’s hypocrisy pale in comparison…. doncha think?

  68. “….Carter’s capitulation to DEA hardliners, as evidenced by his defense of the paraquat spraying campaign despite the health threat to U.S. pot-
    smokers.”

    There is your boy Carter with his “liberal” approach to drug reform.

  69. Stop all the drug war drivel…

    What is important is who is the biggest pork killer… Dem or Rep?

    http://img.breitbart.com/images/2007/5/25/D8PBKB5G0/D8PBKB5G0.jpg

  70. Now theres news that Sheehan has officially said, “Screw you guys, I’m going home”, in her final post “Good Riddance Attention Whore”.

    http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/28/12530/1525

    Shes quitting the “peace movement” and becoming a private person again. Thank God.

  71. “That’s how partisan politics relate to the drug war.”

    being a gang of spineless hosers helps, tho’.

  72. Thank goodness David did not post a thread about this horrid History Channel Star Wars crap straight from English 101. Believe it or not, the ‘discussion’ above is much better than anything about that.

  73. SIV,

    “So you are saying the Republicans are more courageous?”

    Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. The Democrats have been allowing themselves to be bullied on war, and drugs, since the 70s.

    “Party of killing the poor and elderly
    didn’t stop them from welfare reform.”

    Bad example – welfare reform was so popular in the early 90s that Bill Clinton won the Democratic Party’s nomination pledging to implement it. It wasn’t exactly a profile in courarge for the Republicans to back this reform.

  74. BushCo? I thought the name was Chimpy McHitler. Damn, it’s so hard keeping the lefty talking points straight…

  75. No, no, no. Its Chimpler W. McBushiburton. Geez.

  76. The results are in:
    Sept. 30 page 27252 Congressional Record v132
    Senators
    Humphrey New Hampshire R
    John Melcher-Montana D

    Rep.
    Clay-D
    CoynersD
    Crane-R
    Crockett-D
    Dellums-D
    Edwards-California
    Frank-D
    Gonzalez-D
    Lowry-Washington-D
    Mitchell-D
    Roybal-
    Sabo-D
    Savage-D
    Stokes-D
    Weaver-D
    Weiss-D

    One GOP Senator, one Dem Senator opposed the bill. 15 Dem Reps and only one GOP rep did so. So I stand by my statement that the Dems (who did not control the Senate then) were disporportionately more against the drug war bill than the GOP, though I admit it was slim pickings either way.
    Couldn’t help noticing this from SIV:
    “As for any liberal/leftist tendencies towards ending prohibition- where are the retired “elder statesmen” advocating it?”
    Well, I hope you notice some of those names in the list of Dems voting against the bill…Yes, thats John Conyers and Barney Frank, two prominent members of the current leadership. Can you imagine a GOP leader having the courage and conviction to oppose such a landslide bill? Neither could I. Since there are no Reps or Sens with an L by their name, the only resistance to the drug war comes from some (adimittedly a minority) with a D beside theirs. How’re them apples?

  77. Roybal was a Democrat.

  78. Now that we’ve looked at actual numbers on the Drug War Bill, how about the ones on the topic of this thread, the Iraq War? Why, both partys are to blame, right, a pox on both their houses?
    Voting Nay on authorization of military force on Iraq 2002:
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Chafee (R-RI)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corzine (D-NJ)
    Dayton (D-MN)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Graham (D-FL)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Jeffords (I-VT)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Sarbanes (D-MD)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Wellstone (D-MN)
    Wyden (D-OR)

    Keep looking for those R’s that voted nay SIV, keep looking…Keep looking (there’s Chafee, any others?). Yeah, a pox on both their houses…What bullshit. The GOP is way worse. Face reality

  79. But Ken……I supported opening the Iraq front in the War on Terror!

    I still maintain the Democrat opposition to the 1986 Drug bill in no way reflects any Dem opposition to drug prohibition. Count the numbers- more Democrat Congressman voted for that bill than did Republican reps(as they had more than a 16 seat majority)

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