Guess This Gibson Holocaust Project is in Turnaround…

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From the NY Times, Dec. 6, 2005:

Mel Gibson, whose "The Passion of the Christ" was assailed by critics as an anti-Semitic passion play—and whose father has been on record as a Holocaust denier—has a new project under way: a nonfiction miniseries about the Holocaust.

Mr. Gibson's television production company is developing a four-hour miniseries for ABC based on the self-published memoir of Flory A. Van Beek, a Dutch Jew whose gentile neighbors hid her from the Nazis but who lost several relatives in concentration camps.

More here.

Huff Po-sters Arianna and Ari Emanuel call for Mel "Fucking Jews" Gibson to be exiled from Hollywood here and here. Michael Medved says that there is "no defense and no excuse" for Gibson's comments but an "attempted reconciliation—no matter how tentative, no matter how limited—can only be good for Gibson, and good for the Jews."

Update: Over at Beliefnet, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach says Mel has always been a bigot and can make amends by "re-releasing The Passion of the Christ with an important disclaimer at the very beginning of the film detailing the undisputed historical fact that the Romans killed Jesus, and that any of the Jewish leadership, like Caiaphas the High Priest, who called for Jesus' death were all in the employ of Rome, and indeed served as the Roman police enforcers in Judea."

More Update: Wash Post reports on likely outcome of attempts to ostracize and blacklist Gibson:

"The rule is forgive and forget when you can bring in a film that makes $100 million," one movie insider said.

Film historian David Thomson said Gibson has "been stepping over the line for several years. But the key thing is that he makes money for people and he will not only continue to eat lunch in this town but he will buy lunch."

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  1. Unless Mel was interviewing for a job at the U.N., there is no excuse for the “fucking Jews” rant and I couldn’t care less what happens to him. That said if it had been Michael Moore or Sean Penn who had engaged in the “fucking Jews” rant, does anyone really think the folks over at the Huffington Post would be too concerned about it? I don’t think so. They just hate Mel Gibson and see this as an opportunity to bring him down, which of course is their right. But to think that any of those clowns give a crap about anti-Semitism or that their concern over anti-Semitism is at the root of their outrage doesn’t even pass the giggle test.

  2. Mel, you drunken sot, you have to learn to hide your anti-Semitism behind conspiracy theories that demonize Israel. Then you can get really huffy when somebody accuses you of racism.

  3. Why is always the Jews Joe? I don?t’ get it. If there is one lesson about this whole thing is that when it comes to the Jews don’t give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I will admit that I defended Gibson after he made the Passion. Yes, it was a gruesome movie and yes it could have been made for anti-Semitic reasons. But, I chose to believe that Gibson was just a devout Catholic who wanted a literal portrayal of the Passion and did not make it because he was an anti-Semite. Boy was I a sucker.

  4. I had an acquaintance who worried about pogroms in America to follow the release of The Passion.

    This kinda bugged me a lot more than anything else.

    Seriously? You think that people will be attacking Jews in the streets? Seriously? You think that they’ll be vandalizing Synagogues? Seriously?

  5. “Seriously? You think that people will be attacking Jews in the streets? Seriously? You think that they’ll be vandalizing Synagogues? Seriously?”

    That happens in Europe all of the time, but it is not Catholics who do it, it is Muslims. But, we can’t talk about that in polite society because only Christians are capable of hating anyone.

  6. That said if it had been Michael Moore or Sean Penn who had engaged in the “fucking Jews” rant, does anyone really think the folks over at the Huffington Post would be too concerned about it? I don’t think so.

    You’re probably right, but even so, if Michael Moore or Sean Penn had railed against the Jews we would now be deafened by the noise of a co-ordinated right-wing outrage campaign. Michael Medved would not be tremulously offering “reconciliation” like a harried wife trying to save her marriage. Counterfactual thought-experiments — “if X had [screwed someone, gotten drunk/stoned, said something stupid] imagine the silence/noise on the Left/Right!” — have gotten very stale in the last few years, because it’s a game that anyone can play. It’s not really news that partisans of the Left and Right indulge in special pleading for their own.

  7. if it had been Michael Moore or Sean Penn who had engaged in the “fucking Jews” rant

    If a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass a-hoppin’.

  8. If a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass a-hoppin’.

    When did Tim Cavanaugh start channeling Dan Rather?

  9. if it had been Michael Moore or Sean Penn who had engaged in the “fucking Jews” rant

    If a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass a-hoppin’

    Yes and ifs an butts were candy and nuts we would all have a marry Christmas blah blah blah.

    Come on Tim you are usually better than that. The point is that Huffington, after pandering to a anti-Semetic nutcase like Cindy Sheehan and then have to nerve to act shocked that Mel Gibson got drunk and turned into Pat Buchanan is just a bit much.

  10. Porgoms in America? Not very likely, but that’s what anti-Semites would like to see. Here’s the plan: You take the old anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and replace “Jews” with “Israel.” That way you can peddle the old anti-Semitism while protesting that you would never harm a hair on a Jew’s head. After all, Israel and the Jews are not the same thing, but by constantly suggesting that Israel controls and manipulates events, you can count on some dimwits–the type that might do the pogroms–making the linkage. Most American Jews support Israel to some degree. If Israel is craftily controlling everything from American foreign policy to Al Qaeda, why do Jews support it? Aren’t they supposed to be smart? Are they disloyal? Whoa, hold on, don’t be racist! Israel is evil, but that doesn’t mean Jews are evil. Still, why do most Jews support Israel? It’s the Protocols updated.

  11. All of the harpy-like shrieking from the right about antisemitism in the past five years, and when the real thing comes along – when a reactionary Catholic accuses the Jews of conspiring to start “all the wars in the world,” – Michael Medved’s first reaction is to call for reconcilliation?

    Take a look: antisemitism isn’t criticism of Israeli policy. It isn’t the recognition that there is a political movement called “neoconservatism.” It isn’t sympathy for the Palestinians. It isn’t the Harvard faculty voting Larry Summers out (as the New Republic just charged).

    This is antisemitism, and the waffling on the part of those who have spent the last five years recklessly hurling the charge about is, well, entirely predictable, actually.

  12. If only because my mind wanders oddly during discussions of this sort, two Sarah Silverman jokes spring to mind here:

    “Everybody blames the Jews for killing Christ, and then the Jews try to pass it off on the Romans…. I’m one of the few people that believe it was the blacks.”

    “I got in trouble for saying the word ‘Chink’ on a talk show, a network talk show. It was in the context of a joke. Obviously. That’d be weird. That’d be a really bad career choice if it wasn’t. But, nevertheless, the president of an Asian-American watchdog group out here in Los Angeles, his name is Guy Aoki, and he was up in arms about it and he put my name in the papers calling me a racist, and it hurt. As a Jew — as a member of the Jewish community — I was really concerned that we were losing control of the media.”

  13. Best and truest line:
    “The rule is forgive and forget when you can bring in a film that makes $100 million,”

    Cynical, yes, unrealistic, no.
    Money talks….

    Unless, of course, the film viewing public decides enough is enough. Then money will scream.
    Quod erit demonstrandum.

  14. John- It’s time to let the whole left-right thing go. Really. We all know there are hypocrites on the left. Just as there are on the right. Playing the “just imagine if some lefy said x” game may get them excited over at NRO, but here, among people who are niether fish nor fowl, it’s just boring. Most of us learned long ago to shake our heads and say, “a pox on both their houses.”

  15. Joe,

    Anti-Semetism is not criticizing Israel. It is holding Israel to standards of behavior that no other country is held to.

    Eric Hoffer in 1968, said it better than I could.

    The Jews are a peculiar people: things permitted to other nations are forbidden to the Jews.

    Other nations drive out thousands, even millions of people and there is no refugee problem. Russia did it, Poland and Czechoslovakia did it, Turkey threw out a million Greeks, and Algeria a million Frenchman. Indonesia threw out heaven knows how many Chinese-and no one says a word about refugees.

    But in the case of Israel the displaced Arabs have become eternal refugees. Everyone insists that Israel must take back every single Arab. Arnold Toynbee calls the displacement of the Arabs an atrocity greater than any committed by the Nazis. Other nations when victorious on the battlefield dictate peace terms. But when Israel is victorious it must sue for peace .

    Everyone expects the Jews to be the only real Christians in this world. Other nations when they are defeated survive and recover but should Israel be defeated it would be destroyed. Had Nasser triumphed last June [1967] he would have wiped Israel off the map, and no one would have lifted a finger to save the Jews. No commitment to the Jews by any government, including our own, is worth the paper it is written on .

    There is a cry of outrage all over the world when people die in Vietnam or when two Blacks are executed in Rhodesia. But when Hitler slaughtered Jews no one remonstrated with him. The Swedes, who are ready to break off diplomatic relations with America because of what we do in Vietnam, did not let out a peep when Hitler was slaughtering Jews. They sent Hitler choice iron ore, and ball bearings, and serviced his troop trains to Norway.

    The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts. And Jewish resources. Yet at this moment Israel is our only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more on Israel than Israel can rely on us. And one has only to imagine what would have happened last summer [1967] had the Arabs and their Russian backers won the war to realize how vital the survival of Israel is to America and the West in general.

    I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us.

    Should Israel perish the holocaust will be upon us.

  16. The point is that Huffington, after pandering to a anti-Semetic nutcase like Cindy Sheehan and then have to nerve to act shocked that Mel Gibson got drunk and turned into Pat Buchanan is just a bit much.

    John, would you have felt better if, instead of acting shocked, Huffington merely shrugged and said “yeah, I knew the guy was a bigot all along?” What would you consider the proper response to news of Gibson’s behavior during and after his arrest?

  17. Jennifer,

    She can say what she likes. The problem is that once you tolerate and excuse anti-Semetism or racism from people with whom you agree, then you don’t have much standing to act outraged when someone with whom you don’t agree does the same thing.

  18. John, “Anti-Semetism is not criticizing Israel. It is holding Israel to standards of behavior that no other country is held to.”

    No, John, that isn’t antisemitism, either.

    Anti-semitism is hatred and prejudice towards Jews for being Jews. It is not a convenient catch-all charge to throw at people you disagree with whenever someone on your side is Jewish. Drop the Al Sharpton/identity politics act already – no one’s buying it.

    Huffington has never, to my knowledge, tolerated and endorsed anti-semitism. Although she has most certainly tolerated things you’ve decided to label “anti-semitism” for political effect. That doesn’t make her a hypocrite, it makes you a boy who cries wolf.

  19. Joe, suppose I claim to like Catholics just fine but also claim that the Vatican controls and manipulates world events. Am I an anti-Catholic?

  20. Other nations drive out thousands, even millions of people and there is no refugee problem … and Algeria a million Frenchman.

    I lost interest after reading this … not that I ever have interest in what an ignorant fool like John says or quotes.

  21. I support Mel Gibson. What we have to remember here is that he is an actor and director, not a politician. I could care less what his personal beliefs are. As long as he makes good movies (and Mel over the course of his career has made great movies), that’s all I care about. He even gets bonus points in my book for never shoving his personal views in my face like so many other Hollywood idiots. This rant was not meant for public consumption, and Mel never pushes his views on people. Compare that to a guy like Meathead, who spews his vile nanny state ideology into every open microphone he can find.

  22. Joe, suppose I claim to like Catholics just fine but also claim that the Vatican controls and manipulates world events. Am I an anti-Catholic?

    Bolek, what are you trying to say? That the Israeli government speaks for all Jews? “Israel” does not equal “The Vatican.” Many Jews have issues with Israel. Ultra-orthodox Jews, for example, don’t recognize the validity of Israel because they believe only the Meshiach can truly reclaim the Holy Land. You are conflating religion and nationality. How about this example – suppose I think the PR of China’s government is corrupt and that China should stop its “brutal occupation” of Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria. Does that make me an anti-Chinese racist?

  23. The bigger question that everyone seems to be ignoring here is rather obvious. Was the arresting officer Jewish, as Mel had asked him? I mean, maybe that guy had an axe to grind over “Passion” and decided this would be the perfect way to stick it to him. The MSM doesn’t seem to be willing to explore this angle, but it really seems like the elephant in the room to me.

  24. Armand,

    A quote from TMZ.com who broke the initial story:

    TMZ has learned that Deputy Mee audiotaped the entire exchange between himself and Gibson, from the time of the traffic stop to the time Gibson was put in the patrol car, and that the tape fully corroborates the written report.

    I believe that TMZ even has the audio tape of the exchange on their website.

  25. Armand,

    A quote from TMZ.com who broke the initial story:

    TMZ has learned that Deputy Mee audiotaped the entire exchange between himself and Gibson, from the time of the traffic stop to the time Gibson was put in the patrol car, and that the tape fully corroborates the written report.

    I beieve they even have this audio posted on their website.

  26. Huh. Gibson’s a big Three Stooges fan, and they were Jews. Maybe he’s only anti-semitic when it comes to Jews that don’t amuse him.

  27. Bendover,
    OK, but is deputy Mee Jewish? Gibson asked, but did Mee answer?

  28. Take a look: antisemitism isn’t criticism of Israeli policy.

    This would probably be a good time to point out that various Jewish lobbies have, in fact, equated criticism of Israeli policy with anti-semitism.

    In any case, Gisbson’s a self-absorbed, self-righteous dick. Have you listened to his interviews about his “conversion.” All Me, Me, Me.

    But he’s a rich bastard, of course. And capable of generating lot’s of dough. I saw “Passion” and while I thought Pilate was made far too ‘sensitive’ and thought the Latin (as opposed to the more accurate Greek) was silly, it was a good movie. Not the anti-semitic-screed some thought it was.

    Still, I’ve been trying to find out what he’s done with the $300 million-plus he took home from “Passion of the Christ.” As a Christian, I figure at least most of that should go to Christian activities. It’s a free country, Gibson can do what he wants. But if you’re a Christian and you’re excusing Gibson out of hand, you’re not a very smart one.

    But what do I know…I’m just a crank.

  29. “That happens in Europe all of the time, but it is not Catholics who do it, it is Muslims”

    I guess you don’t follow what happens in Europe. Do you know where it actually is?

    I guess vandalism in Austria, perpetrated by AUSTRIANS (who are Catholic, BTW), doesn’t count? Nor did the disgusting acts in the Jewish Cemetary in Prague (by CATHOLIC Czechs)? Happened a coupla times in France, too. Skinhead assholes do stuff like that. And we hate them. You and Bob are up for the “Moron of the Year” Award. Given out by Arthur Treacher.

    As usual, you have no idea of what you write.

    I’d say you’re even “redeculous”!

  30. Rabbi Shmuley Boteach says Mel has always been a bigot and can make amends by “re-releasing The Passion of the Christ with an important disclaimer at the very beginning of the film detailing the undisputed historical fact that the Romans killed Jesus, and that any of the Jewish leadership, like Caiaphas the High Priest, who called for Jesus’ death were all in the employ of Rome, and indeed served as the Roman police enforcers in Judea.”

    what the F!?!?!

    He is god and as such only the only person who could kill him is himself as a jew who killed himself you have to say that a jew killed him…..or something.

  31. …anti-Semetic nutcase like Cindy Sheehan…

    Wow, the one day I don’t read the papers…

    Gibson’s a big Three Stooges fan, and they were Jews.

    The Three Stooges ran on CBN a few years ago, and I remember my brother saying, “yeah, the Stooges are every Bible-thumper’s fantasy: three Jews beating the crap out of each other…”

  32. I just hope this controversy doesn’t prevent Mad Max IV from getting filmed.

  33. Yes, Armand, Deputy Mee is a Jew. I hope no one thinks this makes Gibson’s behavior any less disgusting.
    Meanwhile, Focus on the Family is deeply concerned that Gibson has done a Bad Thing — driving a car while drunk. The anti-Semitism is apparently not such a big deal to them.

  34. Yes, Armand, Deputy Mee is a Jew.

    Yeah, a Jew who thought it might not be a bad idea to pull over a guy doing 87 in a 45 speed limit zone at 2:30 AM. Who would have ever thought the guy might be drunk? Probably just had it in for Mel, right?

  35. I’ve got a theory about Mel. Try it on for size.

    Hutton Gibson is a devotee of a certain brand of Traditionalist Catholicism, with the peculiar belief that there hasn’t been a valid Pope for awhile – sedevacantism. These guys, like many of the Trads, don’t see the reforms of Vatican II as legitimate. One of these reforms was that Catholics ought to stop blaming the Jews for theocide. Hutton was so disgusted with the “growing immorality” of U.S. culture that he pulled up stakes and moved to Australia, taking L’il Mel with him. I can easily see Papa G filling Mel’s head with anti-semitic crap all through his boyhood. I had the standard orthodox Catholic line pushed on me, and bought it for quite some time. If I got falling-down-polluted drunk, and you recorded my babbling, I would not be shocked to here myself reciting the rosary or singing Tantum Ergo. Though I am now an atheist, that stuff is entangled deep within my memory banks.

    During the hoo-hah over Passion, Mel G was interviewed by, among others, Baba Walters, and gave out with the Official Vatican Line about anti-semitism – that it is a sin. He may not have gone so far as to deny that “the Jews killed the Christ”, and it was clear he didn’t want to call his Dad a crackpot or worse on national television. My guess is that, intellectually, Mel knows his Dad’s ideas about the Jews are bunk, but hasn’t internalized that view. When he got drunk, and was in a pressure situation, he let the old lizard brain take over, and it spewed out the crap he was programmed with as a kid. I think he is morally obligated, at least by the tenets of his own faith, to disavow those views. I’d even hope he’d do so if he, like me, thought religion was bunk.

    Kevin
    (“You’re not an atheist. You’re a lapsed Catholic.” – Every apostate’s mom.)

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