Parental Responsibility = Government Content Regulation
"In our free society," President Bush said today, "parents have the final responsibility over the television shows that their children watch, or the websites they visit, or the music they listen to. That's a responsibility of moms and dads all across the country, to make sure their children are listening to or watching the right kind of programming." Then he signed the Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act, which dramatically increases the fines for airing material the FCC deems inappropriate for children between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. Why? Because "people are saying, we're tired of it, and we expect the government to do something about it." But to judge by the programming decisions of broadcasters whose livelihoods depend on attracting an audience, people also are saying, "We like it, and we want more of it." If only there were some way to reconcile these different interests, some sort of monitor in every home who could prevent kids from seeing "indecent" material without stopping adults from watching the shows they like.
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A politician says one thing and then does another? Stop the presses!
And, if we put a v-chip in every child's head, we'd have a ready defense against Satan.
Didn't he say something about believing that people should be free to choose their own lifestyles in the speech where he endorsed the gay marriage banning ammendment.
He may not be fluent in english but he sure has newspeak down pat.
Apparently "free society" means the freedom from responsibility.
"...if we put a v-chip in every child's head...."
I was thinking of something more along the lines of "A Clockwork Orange" but it's the twenty-first century now, isn't it?
Does this mean no more Huckin' Chicken at Burger King?
I hucking HATE that commercial campaign, anyway.
I'm tired of not having enough money for my own personal space program and of not seeing a statue of me bestriding Tampa Bay like a colossus.
I'm writing my congressman.
what?!?!
Do you honestly expect Bush to veto anything?
And the last time he tried to hide from a signing was Mcain/Fiengold and the press nailed him for it.
I think him saying:
"parents have the final responsibility over the television shows that their children watch, or the websites they visit, or the music they listen to. That's a responsibility of moms and dads all across the country, to make sure their children are listening to or watching the right kind of programming."
is about as close you will get to a formal protest.
because "people are saying, we're tired of it, and we expect the government to do something about it." But to judge by the programming decisions of broadcasters whose livelihoods depend on attracting an audience, people also are saying, "We like it, and we want more of it."
Isn't that the definition of a guilty pleasure??
"Hooray for Hypocrites!
A new book dares to defend the phoney-baloneys behind the drug war and much, much more."
When we were on the above thread recently, did we reach any conclusions?
MDs have the Hippocratic Oath.
Politicians have the Hypocritial.
is about as close you will get to a formal protest.
he could have used a signing statment, no ?
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The problem is with the viewers. If they (children, old people, soccer moms, etc) spent money the way 25 to 34 year old males do then television would be programmed only for them.
With TV, you get what you pay for!!
"people are saying, we're tired of it, and we expect the government to do something about it."
So they're too lazy to keep track of thier kids, but not too lazy to petition the government? Sounds like some priorities are out of whack.
Six a.m. to ten p.m., huh? If I ever become obscenely rich, I'm going to buy a television station that will air Barney the Dinosaur or Dora the Explorer at 9:30 p.m. and Horny Assfuckers Volume XXX at ten sharp.
If I ever become obscenely rich, I'm going to buy a television station that will air Barney the Dinosaur or Dora the Explorer at 9:30 p.m. and Horny Assfuckers Volume XXX at ten sharp.
I would contribute if a fund were set up for that goal...Im just sayin..
I hereby nominate Stevo Darkly Evening Scheduling Director. Responsibilities include: prescreening shows. Interviewing actresses. Dribbling warm chocolate on...
ahem. sorry.
Ve.
To.
Veto!
Aren't all the time-shifting technologies available for filmed entertainment pretty much making legislation like this a complete waste of time and effort? I mean, do people really watch shows at specified times anymore? The trend is to watch shows at YOUR convenience, not the network's.
Hypocrisy is one thing, stupidity is another.
Six a.m. to ten p.m., huh? If I ever become obscenely rich, I'm going to buy a television station that will air Barney the Dinosaur or Dora the Explorer at 9:30 p.m. and Horny Assfuckers Volume XXX at ten sharp.
I think this is the best idea EVER. We all must become wealthy and do this. Take that FCC!
Jennifer,
The 10pm - 6am safe haven is for indecent, but not obscene content. Basically, you can use swear words and show a bit more flesh (I'm not sure about nipples, though). Graphic depictions of sex acts, on the other hand, are right out.
crimethink,
Not if the graphic depictions of sex acts involved the Huckin' Chicken.
Just for the record, I really hate the BK campaign. A lot. How pathetic! Ooh, we sorta said "fuck" on the air. Eat our food!
Graphic depictions of sex acts, on the other hand, are right out.
There's nothing graphic about the Horny Assfuckers series; it's heavily allegorical and the sex acts are depicted in mime.
I have an even better idea. Force all the assholes who demand perpetual child-proof programming to watch the 1970 claymation Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer 100 times in a row before they view anything else on their TV. Suffer, you bastards.
Their "man trapped in a box" routine is totally brilliant.
Jennifer,
Well, that might be permissible. Why don't you send me a copy on DVD for evaluation purposes, then I'll give you a final opinion. 😉
I'm going to buy a television station that will air Barney the Dinosaur or Dora the Explorer at 9:30 p.m. and Horny Assfuckers Volume XXX at ten sharp.
Now that's just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why would you deliberately confuse little johnny's tender young mind with Horny Assfuckers v.XXX? Having never seen Horny Assfuckers v.I-XXIX, he'd be totally unfamiliar with the plot and major characters. How on earth do you expect him to put the action scenes into their proper context? Now if you'd said Bitches With Whips v.XVII, I could understand. That series has no continuity.
You people underestimate the damage that parentally-sanctioned indecency watching can cause. I still remember the time my mom let me watch Nature and they showed sea lions fucking. I was only 7, I wasn't ready to see two barking masses of jiggling blubber going at it.
To this day, I think that's where my intimacy issues started. BTW, thanks, guys, for letting me talk about this. It really helps.
crimethink, obscene material is illegal whether it is broadcast or not. If it's legal to sell Horny Assfuckers Volume XXX, it's not obscene. Indecent "material must describe or depict sexual or
excretory organs or activities," according to the FCC, and as I understand it, the safe harbor from 10 PM to 6 AM is to preserve the right to broadcast this material.
Turn the hucking box off you lazy fucking parents!
Interesting that the most salacious and degrading crap on broadcast is generated by Fox, Dubya's butt-kissing partner in his mis-information crusade
parse,
I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. It is not illegal to sell obscene material, it isillegal at all times to air obscene material on public airwaves (and I presume at all times on national, non-cable television). Obscene material is defined as something with no artistic, moral, or other intrinsic value. Obscene and indecent material are not the same thing. 'Obscene' is more graphic and depictive/descriptive than 'indecent', and 'indecent' is safe from 10pm-6am.
smacky, speaking of Miller and related tests for obscenity, I think one could make a fine argument, given the incredible volume of porn of the web, for instance, that our "community standards" (and I mean in just about any urban center in the U.S.) fall somewhere around permitting the broadcast of five women being serviced by three men and a surprisingly versatile robot named, Blinky. Animals are still right out, though. We're not completely decadent, you know!
The real issue the so-called kids programming that is chock-full of egalitarian mumbo-jumbo. Kids are programmed by shit like Barney and Disney to think that excellence and individuality are wrong.
BTW, the lighting and dialogue in HAF XXX is more obscene than the actual horny ass fucking.
The real issue is the so-called kids programming that is chock-full of egalitarian mumbo-jumbo. Kids are programmed by shit like Barney and Disney to think that excellence and individuality are wrong.
BTW, the lighting and dialogue in HAF XXX is more obscene than the actual horny ass fucking.
I'm too apathetic about broadcast TV to care. I used to think this kind of thing was depressing, but I don't watch broadcast TV anymore. So I can't find it in myself to care.
The good entertainment is either on DVD or online.
PL: how right you are, the volume of porn that I can view on my computer, without subscribing to any of it, speaks to the acceptance of porn by our communities, regardless of what the repressed devils in DC say.
smacky,
Actually, it is illegal to sell obscene material -- remember the issue of Reason that talked about the DOJ's prosecution of the guy who produced extreme porn that depicted rape and murder? But I think there is material that is legal to sell but illegal to broadcast during safe harbor. There would certainly be demand for broadcasted porn, but it doesn't happen, even during safe harbor.
"Not if the graphic depictions of sex acts involved the Huckin' Chicken."
If you made a snuff film featuring the chicken and that phenomenally creepy king, I would not object. In fact, if you made a snuff film featuring the chicken, the phenomenally creepy king and whoever is responsible for those ads, I would promote it for an oscar.
Do you honestly expect Bush to veto anything?
Yeah, what's up with that? This is the most power-mad President since at least Nixon, and yet he won't veto anything? You'd think he'd be defying Congress on a daily basis. I mean, this is the guy who turned "Because we fucking said so!" into a legal argument. (OK, he called it "inherent power of the executive, but still.)
P Brooks,
An ad campaign character, furry, snuff film. Talk about a niche market.
From the congressional hearings (as they should have been):
Congressman: So, you bought this electrical box, or did the government install it?
Witness: I purchased it, Mr. Chairman.
Congressman: And did the government agents place it in your child's room?
Witness: That was my decision, but the children asked for it repeatedly. I was unable to resist their plaintive cries and heartfelt desires! God help us all, Mr. Chairman!
Congressman: And then you provided a special cable to allow for extra programming into this box of filth and discord?
Witness: Yes, sir. But it was the company's fault! They have such great offers and installation plans! I saved a fortune, but lost my children's souls. Alas for me, and all of my ilk.
Congressman: If you weren't a voter in my district, I would slap your dumb ass until it hurt. But because there isn't any hope for redistricting in the next election cycle, I will vote to forward this bill to the House along with a rider offering tax rebates for the purchase of muzzles in case any parents are stupid enough to buy a pet grizzly for their children. It's of vital interest to our nation that we protect our children.
Witness: God bless you. Our children need all the help they can get.
(The Committee then adjourned for a circle jerk and a fundraiser.)
Obscene material is defined as something with no artistic, moral, or other intrinsic value.
That's 99% of network TV.
Fuck Bush. Fuck Brownback. Fuck Bozell. Fuck all those fucking fuckers.
And especially fuck all those conserva-clown commentators who one would think would be the first to step forward and defend the First Amendment (they scream blue murder anytime someone mentions the happily-dead Fairness Doctrine) but will not lift a finger to oppose the Decency Enforcement Act, because after all, we're just talking about "protecting our children from all those evil, liberal Hollywood slime merchants who are constantly shoving their filth down America's throats." Smut, smut, everywhere!
And besides: Bush, Brownback, Bozell are on their team. Trampling on the Bill Of Rights is only a bad thing when it's the other guys.
Fuck 'em all.
Fuck Bush. Fuck Brownback. Fuck Bozell. Fuck all those fucking fuckers.
And not in the nice way either.
The good entertainment is either on DVD or online.
and it is much more convenient as well.
Fuck Bush. Fuck Brownback. Fuck Bozell. Fuck all those fucking fuckers.
Can we fuck some of the Democrats who supported it as well? It seems only fair.
Oh Christ, I shouldn't even express this opinion here...
I believe in free speech and personal responsibility and all, BUT (there's always a BUT with this kind of beginning argument), I think of this issue, to some extent, to follow along the lines of product liability. There is an assumption of a certain standard with off-air TV, just as any product sold to the public is expected to be safe during normal use, expected conditions of (single-fault) failure, and forseeable misuse. Bush seems to be saying parents need to regulate, but at the same time there should be a safe zone and time where content is not too extreme.
Did I just get myself kicked out of the big L libertarian fan club?
bigbigslacker - I get where you're coming from. In all seriousness, nobody expects to see HAF v.XXX in the middle of Saturday morning cartoons. But the problem with "assumptions of a certain standard" is that they seem to be pretty malleable. Where did we get these standards anyway? Well, from laws, basically...and we have plenty of pressure groups trying to push those laws in a more restrictive direction. The standards didn't spring ex nihilo.
Dear,
Today?s signature by the president on the Broadcast Decency Law coincided with the release of research by TiVo/Ipsos about parents? views and habits re: TV monitoring. Today was also the day TiVo KidZone became available to consumers. This timing certainly reinforces the importance of the issue and the need to find real solutions?be they marketplace solutions or government regulation or both?to protect our kids from inappropriate TV programming. Let me know if you?d like some additional stats on this issue or if you?d like to schedule an interview with TiVo VP Joe Miller.
Thanks.
ChristyLynn
AS PRESIDENT BUSH SIGNS DECENCY BILL, A LIGHT SHINES ON THE NEED FOR EASY-TO-USE TOOLS FOR PARENTS
A Marketplace Solution Takes Center Stage:
TiVo KidZone Gives Parents Control Over Their TVs
ALVISO, Calif., June 16, 2006?As President Bush signed into law the Broadcast Decency and Enforcement Act yesterday, new attention was given to the problem of children viewing inappropriate programming. A new survey announced yesterday demonstrates that, while the issue is top-of-mind for many parents, past technology-based solutions are missing the mark.
This survey by Ipsos Research and digital video recording leader TiVo Inc. (NASDAQ: TIVO) reveals that 64% of parents of children under 18 are concerned that their children will see television programming that does not reflect their family's values or isn't safe to watch, but 81% of parents do not utilize any kind of blocking technology to protect their children from certain programming. According to media watchdog groups like The Parents Television Council, the vast majority of parents don?t understand the blocking technology nor do they have the tools they need to make informed decisions concerning programming for their children.
As government puts additional regulation in place, one marketplace leader is putting user-friendly solutions in the hands of parents across the country.
Yesterday TiVo launched TiVo KidZone, a first-of-its-kind tool that answers parents? growing concern about the quality of children?s television programming by providing a personalized TV area where children can view only what their parents deem appropriate.
?We are working hard to provide parents with the tools they need to ensure their children are viewing quality television programming that reflects their values,? said TiVo Vice President (and father of two school-aged children) Joe Miller.
For parents across America, TiVo KidZone isn?t coming a moment too soon.
?These days, just because it looks like a cartoon doesn?t mean it?s good for children,? said Atlanta?s Akia Anderson, mother of two (soon to be three) and head of an Atlanta chapter of MOPS (Mothers of Pre Schoolers). ?With three children, it?s hard to be everywhere at once and TiVo KidZone would allow me to know they?re watching only what I approve,? Anderson said.
With TiVo KidZone parents can:
? Choose from entire menus of shows recommended by a variety of leading non-profit organizations focused on children and media including Common Sense Media, Parents? Choice Foundation and the Parents Television Council and set automatic recordings based on those recommended menus.
? Easily add or subtract specific programs or channels to further customize what is available for children
? Lock out all other programming or channels that are not specified for TiVo KidZone from access by children, while making all channels available when a parent wants to watch television.
TiVo boxes are available at consumer electronics retailers like Best Buy and Circuit City for only $69.99 after mail-in rebate and service activation. For more information, visit http://www.TiVo.com/KidZone. For media information, see below.
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MEDIA NOTE: For detailed statistics on children?s TV viewing habits, TiVo KidZone fact sheet, media watchdog organizations, high-res photos, and complete online press kit, visit http://www.DeMossNewsPond.com/TiVo. Interviews available with TiVo executives, media experts, and faith-community supporters. Contact: Christy Lynn Wilson or Tiffanie Wallace (770) 813-0000.
Bush seems to be saying parents need to regulate, but at the same time there should be a safe zone and time where content is not too extreme.
That argument would have been a lot more persuasive back before the invention of the V-chip. Right now a parent truly does have the ability to block any broadcasts they don't want their kids to see, even when Horny Assfuckers Volume XXX airs right after Dora.
If the government would do the right thing and say, "Not our problem. And we can't regulate content, anyway--what slim rationale once existing for regulating 'decency' in broadcasts no longer applies", then maybe people would focus more on handling the matter themselves. You know, by purchasing software and equipment to block unwanted content and by, like, not letting the kids watch whatever and surf wherever they want to.
That argument would have been a lot more persuasive back before the invention of the V-chip.
Self-regulation means the FCC would have less stuff to levy fines over. God forbid the FCC lose a revenue stream.
I thought this was an amazingly fun thread to read. I don't get out enough.
Sintya, are you for real, or are you an adbot?
Perhaps you might find the "robot sex" thread of interest.
Maybe a parallel can be drawn between this and the Danish Muhammed cartoon debacle? A reasonable government says, "Look, sorry, we don't like it either, but there's nothing we can do about it, mass media don't belong to the government."
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